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What is everyones opinion on High Magic? Like OTO or Golden Dawn. Has anyone had good or bad experiences with these groups?

Personally I have never heard of High Magic or the groups you speak of.

Does the high part mean working for good, or am I way off the mark ?

I've heard of the Golden Dawn but have never had an experience with it before, wouldnt mind getting my hands on the book

I have never heard of it

I googled the golden dawn society but I'm not good at computer stuff so didnt try and copy and paste.

Looks like it's roots were with the German rosicrcian ( s ) movement which I have heard off but will have to refresh my memory.

So it's there on google if your interested.

Hello, High magic is the practice of Hermetics, Alchemy, and Kabalah. Anyone interested there is a great book:Modern Magick: Eleven Lessons in the High Magickal Arts (Llewellyn's High Magick) by Donald Michael Kraig

I am going to have to check out tha book . I have never heard of these groups or high magic in general. Sounds interesting.

I've never had experience with these groups but I'm not really a ritual worker myself. I prefer to work on my own and in an unstructured manner. Which is not to say I'm opposed to High magic, just that it's not my thing.

I am gonna have to google that myself as I have also not heard of that society

Have i had any experiences with golden dawn and what do i think of high magick?

Well, I am an accomplished chaos mage and astral mage, so my opinion of high magick is none too good. But that's just my personal choice.

As for the golden dawn....well they once asked me to join their ranks as they heard about some of my accomplishments from a friend of mine. I respectfully declined.

High magic is the same as High Mass. Boring and full of much ado about ritual. Nice for tradition and show.

Highmagiks eh? How to put it into words and perspective, my opinion and point of view without involuntarily insulting any.

Both the Ordo Templi Orientis and the Golden Dawn, are clandestine masonic orders. Both borrow ritual from Freemasonry, I will not dwelve into what or how.

Alleister Crowley, after he was denied Freemasonry, in Londontown, met an individual claiming to be of the fraternity. Had taken him to a lodge where he was initiated into the clandestine degrees of what he thought was Freemasonry.

He had founded the Golden Dawn along with a few others, but was never a mason himself. This is what I know information wise about the Golden Dawn.

They practice as I have stated borrowed ritual from the Masonic fraternity, as Freemasonry teaches how to better oneself mentally and spiritually. Again, I will not dwelve into either.

As the Sacred Geometries are not high magiks as you would call them, nor is the Kaballa, this leave a question to be asked.

Which is the definition of High magik? Is it the arcane knowledge tempered around forbidden dieties? Or the forbidden rituals that surround this arcane knowledge? I am quite sure, high magik itself is confused with the regular practices of modern magiks.

You choose to believe what you choose, high magiks or not, but if you plan on joining such groups as the OTO, or the Golden Dawn, study them deeply first before hand. There is MORE to them then meets the eye, and that they let on. This I know as fact.

Having read up some more about it, I can only say it does seem a very complicated way of going about things.

However, I suppose like everything else if you are drawn to it go for it.

I never heard of it Seamus gonna have to ask you about it some

i thought id share this
I found it on a web site I my self never heard of it but here is some info
True Golden Dawn Mysteries...

Initiations and advancements are provided to those seeking the wisdom and light of the classical Golden Dawn tradition through our worldwide fraternity.

Our Order, the Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn, remains true to the classical tradition. Our Order provides the sincere seeker the opportunity to become part of a worldwide fraternity with Golden Dawn temples, sanctuaries and study groups throughout the US, Canada and Europe. In addition, we provide astral initiations and advancements for those who seek the light of the Golden Dawn, hunger for knowledge and spiritual, magical transformation but do not live by a temple. Our Order remains the only Order that continues to provide long distance initiations where no Golden Dawn temple is nearby.

If you seek the light of hidden wisdom; if you are sincere and want to learn advanced teachings traditional to the classical Golden Dawn and if you seek fraternal friendship with other sincere like-minded people from around the world, then the Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn is prepared to serve your desires to grow in Light, wisdom, magic and as far as your aspirations will take you.

Visit our membership pages to learn more about initiation into the Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn.

Here is where i found the artical
www.western-mysteries.org
Golden Dawn

There are alot of things that can be said about this thread. Some of them useful. Others based on opinion.

As there is no time for doing either. There are other ways to learn the High Magickal arts. If you know what high magick is, you can learn it on your own. If you know what you seek within yourself then you will be able to do it, with our without the high and mighty order of the golden dawn or the masons.

i my self have never had any problems with it because i just started learing about it recently and so far so good.

There are alot of things that can be said about this thread. Some of them useful. Others based on opinion.

As there is no time for doing either. There are other ways to learn the High Magickal arts. If you know what high magick is, you can learn it on your own. If you know what you seek within yourself then you will be able to do it, with our without the high and mighty order of the golden dawn or the masons.

i followed that path when i was younger, but didnt feel it was really going anywhere. i'm not saying nothing happened, but it just wasnt doing it for me . i prefer magic that is a bit more raw and grass roots.

Too much ritual for me. Gotta respect those who do practice the highmagicks though.

I have learnt a little about the Golden Dawn and find that it is too ritualised for me. I like to perform magick simply. I don't dabble that much but when I do I like to be straightforward if that makes any sense.

Overall each to their own and I have had no problems good or bad with people that follow this structure.

I have not ever heard of it, High Magic?

i would have to say they are to ritualistic for me but then again it does show alot of discipline in the there ways

I have heard of them but I don't know if I trust the souce but magic in and of itself isn't good or bad it is just the way it is used. Groups of people using magic tends to scare me off because groups are ruled my the majority and that sometime is a bad thing.

I have not heard of this type of magic before

This is news to me...although I am interested.

I have never heard of these groups before..but find this all fascinating...thank you.

likewise ive never heard of it but it strikes my interest thusly!

if you ask me i really dont care for high madick i rather stick with astral projection

i prefer working by myself- as then there is no confusion as to what you are working towards

i have yet to be enlightened... i will research them... thanks for the thread...

ok good stuff it is really getin somewere i wish people would copy and paste search results in here so we all can read and benefit off the topic

I've enjoyed the Golden Dawn, just didn't have a Chance to really study do to work load.

Kabala is evil anyway, so who gives a shitt.

High magick is a lot different then low magick. I have had a good experience with The Golden dawn. I have studied a lot of varius religions since I waas about 11 years old and I have found that all religions basically take you to the same place spiritually it's just that they have different ways of doing it.

Actually Alix, the Kabalah, or Oral Tradition isn't evil and is by no means something to laugh at. The very fundamentals of all Western Magic stems from aspects of the Kabalah.

Most of the Worlds Greatest Magicians study the Kabalah and have gained great amounts of knowledge and such do to it as well.

John Dee, Alister Crowly, Etc,

The Kabalah is based on the Tree of life of the Sephiroth, and in this the connection to the great infinate light known as Ain Sof, or God.

Now if you go with the Qilpoth that is known as the Tree of Death and is the opposite of the Tree of Life, but not sure if that was a add on later on in more modern settings or something that came about during the middle ages and no one wants to acknowledge it as anything to put real faith into.

- Sin (VII)

Well, I have a little experience of high magic, although more via Quabala (or Kabala as both spellings are used) than the Golden Dawn. While there is a lot of heavy ritualising involved, that's from what I understand used in focusing a persons energy, much like meditation. It's really a matter of pathways, they lead to the same place, it's merely a matter of choosing which you wish to travel, I've found that High Magic has suited me because I have a mindset that can work within ritual, but I also like the grass roots magic, so both are equally admirable, just depends on the practitioner.

I had never heard of it. I will have to look into it because it does sound quite interesting.

Dr Edward Waite and Aleister Crowley were members of the Golden Dawn. I can't beleive that you's have not heard of the Golden Dawn, it's a famous magical society with the poet W.B Yeats, Alan Benett and Actress Florence Farr etc.

I heard that there is a book of the Golden Dawn traditions and high magic rituals. I have never had experiences with these types of groups.

Samual M Mathers was the Master of the Golden Dawn, and he wrote various books on the Kabbalah and ceremonial magic along with Waite and Crowley.

never heard of it
gotta check it out for myself

The OTO (Ordo Templi Orientis) and the Golden Dawn are both Crowleys inventions. There is no "high magik" involved. It is only mock ritual of what the Freemasons have.

Crowley tried to get into the Freemasons but was denied. Thus he started his own Clandestine Lodge and claimed to be of the fraternity. Naturally many fell for his ploy and joined his Esoteric Lodge. I believe this branch has the entitlement of "Co-Masonry" though I might be wrong on this account.

But in no way are the OTO or the Golden Dawn affiliated with any Grand Lodges throughout the world.

As far as the "higher magik" is concerned, yes there is a category. Most of it deals with Covens or Sects that know how to perform the rituals properly. Some are in the British Isles, actually the more adept are. But the America's have their fare share as well.

Books such as the "Greater and Lesser Key's of Solomon are a good example of the "higher magic's" as they have the Enochian language implimented within them. Enochian simply means the "language of the Angels." It is not nessessarily Crowleys context, though he did use them as well as his "students" to this day. He just understood them better then most in his timeline.

I have just recently declined an invitation to join the Order of The Golden Dawn. I do not know enough about it and the person inviting me didn't seem to have too much knowledge on the Order himself. I believe more in the Ordo Strigoi Vii Principles, the Black Veil and the Vampyric Principles.

Vampyre: Sanguinomicon is a pretty interesting book and teaches all about the Ordo Strigoi Vii and The Sanguinarium.

I've never heard of this until now. Thanks for the insight, sounds interesting, so I'll be checking into it.

Re: ~Sanguinarian~

"I have just recently declined an invitation to join the Order of The Golden Dawn. I do not know enough about it and the person inviting me didn't seem to have too much knowledge on the Order himself. I believe more in the Ordo Strigoi Vii Principles, the Black Veil and the Vampyric Principles.

Vampyre: Sanguinomicon is a pretty interesting book and teaches all about the Ordo Strigoi Vii and The Sanguinarium."

Wait, you were invited by someone who belongs to something you say knows nothing about their organization? Then why are they still part of it if they still don't know a damned thing about it? Or even inviting you to join without adequette information to keep your interest?

As for the second part of your post, the StrigoiVii, Black Veil, nor vamp"y"ric principles have absolutely nothing to do with "high magik"s nor the esoteric connotations of what the OTO or Golden Dawn practice. Vamp"y"rism is NOT about the esoterics. Never was.

Please, before you recommend something to someone, try to understand all concepts of the social structures as well as what they are about. As well as giving cross-reference to others regarding them.

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before you mislead others into something they would be more confused about before they researched it themselves to gain more sense out of it.

Re: ~Romamarienightwing~

"I've never heard of this until now. Thanks for the insight, sounds interesting, so I'll be checking into it."

You seemed to have preached when you first signed up for membership here regarding the esoteric foundations, and yet you have not heard of the "higher" magik(s)? Very interesting... someone of your "attained" knowledge regarding your preaching should have well learned by now the concept(s) of the "higher" magik(s), what they are as well as how they are practiced. I mean after all, you are experienced, are you not? Otherwise you would not have preached the way you did and might still do without prior knowledge of such, would you?

Not trying to come off as condescending, but seriously...