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Since a time ago, I've been practicing a type of vampiric meditation that, honestly, is helping me a lot.

It consists of meditating on the meaning of each of the levels that VR proposes in the progress of its members: whelp, leech, parasite....malefactor, blood drinker....primogenitor, sire, etc. That is to say, my technique consists of meditating on the symbolism associated with each level, its characteristics, its meaning in history and literature... and after gathering all the possible information, confronting it with the personal situation, with the natural or supernatural capacities, with the objectives, difficulties, aids, etc. It is amazing how much information is obtained and, by the way, very useful information for self-knowledge and for progress towards that ideal of vampire nature we are aiming for.

For example, as of today (04.09.2023 of the common era or September 4 of the year 5023 after Lilitu), my level is that of "Doppelganger". By the way, several people have advised me to be somewhat careful with this level, as a Doppelganger has the potential not only to see everything you see, but also to experience everything you experience. Aside from that, in researching, I have found the following information:

Doppelganger is a biologically unrelated look-alike, or a double, of a living person. In mythology, a doppelgänger is often portrayed as a ghostly or paranormal phenomenon and usually seen as a harbinger of bad luck. Other traditions and stories equate a doppelgänger with an evil twin. In modern times, the term twin stranger is occasionally used. (For further details, you can look for it at Wikipedia).

Well, in my particular case, meditating on the "Doppelganger level" helps me to analyze possible bipolarities, character changes, unstable spirituality, etc.

Do you have any experience on vampire spirituality and meditation based on vampire mythology?




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Personally, No. But then, I also don't focus on one manner of spirituality. Not a bad concept, though. I'll definitely grant you that one.
I, myself, keep up much more with things closer to the lines of Spell-craft/witchcraft in all forms possible. My personal favorite, thanks to my little brother, has actually become Psychic magic(k), due to having found out from him just how utilizable and strangely handy it can be. Though, it doesn't really matter what you practice, in my experience. Any and everything includes having to "ground" the Self, in a manner of speaking.

I certainly wouldn't say that the Rave has assisted me, in any way, with 'spirituality'. But in other ways, it has shown me a faintly broader "horizon", so to speak.


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Thank you, EstrangedOne, for your thoughts that I'm considering.



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I practice some of the things described in the book "Sanguinaricon". Black mirror meditations for example. I think its helped center me more.
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Something I did neglect to mention is that it also depends upon whether you're talking about "vampire spirituality" as is so commonly talked about by the masses, or the "Temple of the Vampire" concept of it all.
Personally, I especially don't subscribe to either one, but I do take into account, as with many things, they do have their place. I also live by a vastly different 'code' from what most in either factor try to instruct, so following either concept would be rather pointless for me.

To the ToV, the "vampire code" is always held very loosely, and just like with most religions, is often thrown about or seems to be discarded at a moment's notice, to suit someone's own agenda (personally, I'm not a fan of that, but hey).
Then you have the many varying "teachings" of most alleged "elders of the community". I rely more upon instinct, logic, and the focus of my own mind and energies, so once again, rendered rather pointless. The only thing that I will openly give due credit, there, is that (from what I have seen, at least) there are some who do try to teach openness with openness. Honestly, that is just about the only thing (or one of the few) I can really agree with, despite having been exiled, even from that, some time ago.

Overall, however, my concept of it is that being a vampire is not a spirituality, unless you decide to make it so. It's something that literally lives in your veins, and thus, at some point, alters the way you life, entirely. But I also view it much more through the scientific lens, since I've long been studying it that way, and it took me years to fully find what it was that made me the way I am - not an easy thing to do, when you're surrounded by religion and you're seeking something biological.


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I find the idea of meditating on the levels pretty interesting. I often meditate on language that comes up a lot for me or is particularly gripping, looking for the seeds of some greater truth or understanding within that prompt.

I mean as far as meditations go archetypes can be meditated on. I am just learning more about the vampire community, but I have always been one; just in a different context socially. I am really glad to talk about this stuff and have been a bit underwhelmed with the amount of good conversation about vampyric topics here. There is some though.

To the note on being surrounded by religion while you look for something biological I guess I can relate to that. Reminds me of having this clearly physical expericence that no one else seemed to have a reason for or want to talk about and so as a kid I turned to my own spirituality to address physical needs as I was Pretty ill and messed up so that was what was available. The spiritual aspects helped hold my own mind together until I could address the physicalities better. I raged against religion. I knew spiritual stuff was real because I could see and feel stuff happening and moving around and it can be infuriating when religion doesn't want to address these things.

Basically I feel like riding the edge of what is physically possible and spirituallity are very much entwined. Technology is also mirrored off of reality so studying reality through meditation and such can bring greater clarity about the technology of our bodies.



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Would there be a difference between human and vampiric spirituality? Spirits are spirits, no? It's the consciousness existing outside of the body, right?



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The idea of meditating on the different levels is very interesting indeed. Sounds like an interesting way to handle some shadow work.

As far as Phantasmic's question about "would there be a difference between human and vampiric spirituality" - that depends on how you define it. Yes, spirits are spirits - But spirits are categorized by different styles all the time. So if you're talking about actual spirit work, vampiric spirits could a type, so are demons, fairies, angels, djinn, etc.

However, "spirituality" is often used as a catch all term that refers to any/all religious or ritualized practices. In which case, vampiric is an adjective to describe the style of practices rather than to say it's something different than human. The same way people call it hedge craft, celtic magic, heathenry, satanic magic, whatever... Vampiric magick or spirituality is just category or style.

In my opinion and experience, of course. Not trying to speak for anyone.



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On Dec 26 2023 Aeznara wrote:

I find the idea of meditating on the levels pretty interesting. I often meditate on language that comes up a lot for me or is particularly gripping, looking for the seeds of some greater truth or understanding within that prompt.

I mean as far as meditations go archetypes can be meditated on. I am just learning more about the vampire community, but I have always been one; just in a different context socially. I am really glad to talk about this stuff and have been a bit underwhelmed with the amount of good conversation about vampyric topics here. There is some though.

To the note on being surrounded by religion while you look for something biological I guess I can relate to that. Reminds me of having this clearly physical expericence that no one else seemed to have a reason for or want to talk about and so as a kid I turned to my own spirituality to address physical needs as I was Pretty ill and messed up so that was what was available. The spiritual aspects helped hold my own mind together until I could address the physicalities better. I raged against religion. I knew spiritual stuff was real because I could see and feel stuff happening and moving around and it can be infuriating when religion doesn't want to address these things.

Basically I feel like riding the edge of what is physically possible and spirituallity are very much entwined. Technology is also mirrored off of reality so studying reality through meditation and such can bring greater clarity about the technology of our bodies.


I'm willing to engage in vampire specific topics, if you are.


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On Aug 04 2024 TheVampyreWitch wrote:

The idea of meditating on the different levels is very interesting indeed. Sounds like an interesting way to handle some shadow work.

As far as Phantasmic's question about "would there be a difference between human and vampiric spirituality" - that depends on how you define it. Yes, spirits are spirits - But spirits are categorized by different styles all the time. So if you're talking about actual spirit work, vampiric spirits could a type, so are demons, fairies, angels, djinn, etc.

However, "spirituality" is often used as a catch all term that refers to any/all religious or ritualized practices. In which case, vampiric is an adjective to describe the style of practices rather than to say it's something different than human. The same way people call it hedge craft, celtic magic, heathenry, satanic magic, whatever... Vampiric magick or spirituality is just category or style.

In my opinion and experience, of course. Not trying to speak for anyone.


I'm not in the know regarding modern vampire culture, but I'd be curious understand more about where the spirituality of a vampire stands today, in general, from the more religious perspective. Is there still a number of self-prescribed orders, or houses as it were, who see themselves as their own godhead, or is there more of a wider generic worship of greater spirits, or perhaps it's become more of an individualized gnosis?


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On Aug 28 2024 STABB666 wrote:

I'm not in the know regarding modern vampire culture, but I'd be curious understand more about where the spirituality of a vampire stands today, in general, from the more religious perspective. Is there still a number of self-prescribed orders, or houses as it were, who see themselves as their own godhead, or is there more of a wider generic worship of greater spirits, or perhaps it's become more of an individualized gnosis?


A little bit of column A, a little bit of column B, and another messy third thing not accounted for. lol. Vampyres aren't a monolith. There's a pretty wide spectrum of practice and belief under the vampyre umbrella. That's not unlike any other type of widely regarded system tho. Take "Satanism" for example. What the TST does and what a theistic Satanist does are drastically different. Is it all still Satanism?... Well, that's a debate for another post but for now I'll say yes.

To answer your questions directly though, yes, there are still plenty of Houses, Courts, Orders, [insert organized thing here]... Do all of them see themselves "as their own godhead"? That's debatable, but not far off nonetheless. Younger generations who have created Houses tend to not be so vehement about self made megalomania like Houses/Courts of yesteryear. But even with a few of the newer groups doing better, there's still a lot of extreme self aggrandizing nonsense going on in some places.

Beyond that, there has been a surge of popularity amongst vampyric occultism. There is certainly a lot of individualized gnosis going on. There's always been pockets of shared gnosis going on lending to the popularity of vampyric spirituality and systems of belief. The shared gnosis of the few has always seeded the widespread network of vampyric spirituality and community. As time continues forward, the voices of the few have changed over. The old popular voices are moving over or falling from grace. New voices are opening the VC up to being accepting of styles of belief that were ostracized in the past. It seems like it's all in a state of flux.


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On Aug 29 2024 TheVampyreWitch wrote:

On Aug 28 2024 STABB666 wrote:

I'm not in the know regarding modern vampire culture, but I'd be curious understand more about where the spirituality of a vampire stands today, in general, from the more religious perspective. Is there still a number of self-prescribed orders, or houses as it were, who see themselves as their own godhead, or is there more of a wider generic worship of greater spirits, or perhaps it's become more of an individualized gnosis?


A little bit of column A, a little bit of column B, and another messy third thing not accounted for. lol. Vampyres aren't a monolith. There's a pretty wide spectrum of practice and belief under the vampyre umbrella. That's not unlike any other type of widely regarded system tho. Take "Satanism" for example. What the TST does and what a theistic Satanist does are drastically different. Is it all still Satanism?... Well, that's a debate for another post but for now I'll say yes.

To answer your questions directly though, yes, there are still plenty of Houses, Courts, Orders, [insert organized thing here]... Do all of them see themselves "as their own godhead"? That's debatable, but not far off nonetheless. Younger generations who have created Houses tend to not be so vehement about self made megalomania like Houses/Courts of yesteryear. But even with a few of the newer groups doing better, there's still a lot of extreme self aggrandizing nonsense going on in some places.

Beyond that, there has been a surge of popularity amongst vampyric occultism. There is certainly a lot of individualized gnosis going on. There's always been pockets of shared gnosis going on lending to the popularity of vampyric spirituality and systems of belief. The shared gnosis of the few has always seeded the widespread network of vampyric spirituality and community. As time continues forward, the voices of the few have changed over. The old popular voices are moving over or falling from grace. New voices are opening the VC up to being accepting of styles of belief that were ostracized in the past. It seems like it's all in a state of flux.


Some things never change. Or rather, they simply go in cycles, I suppose.

Thank you for the insight. I didn't know there had been another surge in popularity, but I guess that makes sense in respect of the growth of the neurodivergent ideas.

Self-aggrandizing - yes, that's a better term that I was searching for. it seems that some of the older folks who're still around have chilled out somewhat in that respect. Interesting that you mention a state of flux. I only just recently sort of, felt something. Indescribable really. Language is so limiting. But I think I get what you're saying. individuals have the ability to connect and find one another far more easily now than has been possible and now, the like-minded drawing together, perhaps reinforcing that experience and joining together like pools of water gathering the rain?


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