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If some one "created" a geist energy, what would be a sound way to demonstrate such a phenomena?

I would go with a sealed instrument. Inside a sealed see through container, that is weighted to a foundation. Any proof of a spirit would focus, could imaginably "trip" the instrument.

i once saw a program that suggested it may be trapped within a faraday cage. if that is the case, then presumably an EMF detector could register it's presence.

That would be a good instrument to vacuum seal inside a secured container. I imagine a laser grid of some sort would detect "results" as well. A siesmic activity monitor would be a tool useful in such para phenomena studies, but one would need an objective to the study, asking what could be applicable to such knowledge , such confirmation?

The potential issue with our physical instruments is that they only detect those things that disturb matter or energy.

Sound waves are the reflections of air molecules. Lasers and electromagnetic sensors detect light or electric energy.

The thing with paranormal is that we have to assume "spirit energy" is analagous to our other forms of wave energy (light, micro waves, radar, magnetism, etc.)

One such from a energy that has eluded us that may for may not be a wave energy, gravity.

Would it be neat if we determine that spritual energy is nothing more than gravitational energy in very small amounts and interacts with the fabric of space/time, which would give our "spririts" astral abilities since they are weaving in and through the very fabric of time and space, riding the gravity...

I need to lay off the crack pipe sometimes.

I was thinking of getting some grant money to make a ghost vacuum.

A ghost can be examined tape recorders and emf meters, and digital still cameras. and real psychics.

I can trick a machine easy.

True. By understanding tape recorders, video recorders, EMF trackers and the like, it is not very hard at all to create cues that represent the ghost.

The process of using scientific technology to capture physcic phenomena just does not make sense.

It would be like trying to use your nose to sniff the temperature of a metal pipe.

Meters, tape recorders digital cameras and infrared cameras are the way to get ghost activity

A vacuum seal leading into a large air tight thick glass, or other see through material, container

Being that everything interacts with either matter or energy to some degree it would be possible to do an in-depth examination (if we had the right tools).

At present we have limited observation techniques and depending on the nature of said entity we may not have the ability to observe it currently.

The next step is of course containment. Karnstine had a very good point. Using things such as Faraday cages and other EM restrictive devices it could be somewhat easy to contain it. The key would be identifying either the exact frequency or family of energies the entity emits.

I use the term "frequency" with some trepidation because it is so misused in general discussion. But, at the smallest of levels all things do radiate from a series of complex and simple EM fluctuations.

Some things that would be interesting to know about the "ghost" is it's weight, how much energy it contains and emits, it's ability to displace matter and it's source of intelligence (if any).

Remind me exactly how it's okay to "vacuum" spirits? If they do have a conscious, that would friggin' suck and be pretty cruel.

I really prefer the concept to be somewhat of a mystery. I've seen animals react to different things, I think they're very in tune to different energies, not necessarily ghosts. I would rather rely on our furry friends.

I agree with the above comment, 'tis not very nice to suck spirits up into vaccums. why not give it its own setting to haunt if you so desire to put it on display?

I'm not sure what you mean by created. Are you talking about a thought form ?

Anne I really lean in your reasoning with the animals, ghost are I imagine "exasted" by effort to make their presence known. Perhaps each time they "cross over" they resolve the "connecting wire" if we search keeping in mind that intense "loop jumping"expectations something on a much stiller "frequency" (as mentioned above) is likely to be notable. To elimianate all probable random misreadings is impossible but to control out side common misreadings recires tools and research hours, which means lab time and testing and waiting.

I believe the instruments mentioned would be a good start but you would also need a medium and several ways to 'measure' 'raw' energy ... I don't think that any one method would work alone for this ... I think you would have to 'check ' with several 'test' methods in order to prove or disprove the presence.

Perhaps you could amplify the energy and give it some type of visual aid, making it visible to the human eye, kinda like creating neon lights.

I think the presence of a medium would really tangle the expiriment, they tend to interpite some one sneezing while they are in a "trance" to be a communication. The presence of an animal such as a cat. or two of different temperemants.

The next thing I wanted to pick up insight on is the three Ls Location,Location, Location, where should such "ghost nets" be set, and why? I think an old folks home, would make a good lab, we could even coordinate with the residents, pre-rehersing to "ring' an instrument. as they pass.

How long after ajusting to being "etheral" does it take some time to figure out how to "cross through" or can they pop out coordinated and ready to spook? I image it could be like Ghost (the education of a ghost) Would a person that meditates have an advantage, would somebody that got held back because of attachments be a distruptive ghost?

Hey dabbler what about just studying magic and using the spells that are done on the thirteen ghosts.

I have not seen that, studying magic though, I have .. err dabbled and delved.

i would think you owould just nee to show them that you what to help them and not harm them that might be a start.

The soft "spoken" ghost that are not as active as other ghost, I imagine they would like the loud ghost to chill on all the sensational hoop jumping for the living peoples whims, and entertainment.

hmm so what type of material could be used to hold the ghost without it escaping? They are energy and can pass through matter?

Utahvamp that is why I said finding some spell that can hold them like that for which was done in the thirteen ghosts I mean that would seem the only way I could think of.

That makes sence, a spell that the ghost would respect and not cross....hmmm....So now we have captured the ghost and with EMP we can detect its in the container, what would we use to make the ghost visible or amplify it enought we could see it for the purpose of study, and in amplifying its energy what effects could it have on us, could it manipulate our thoguhts or show us horrible things?

would possession be likely to occur, would a well meaning soul (longing to touch some one) meld with a living persons field. and if so could a medium be tested for measurable differences in physiology and eeg readings, so far no current medium will cooperate with willing testers. So what is holding up the advancements in study is the fixed para-occult activity generated by theatric performances and chicanery(attached idealistically to preexisting ideologies.) When a core belief/ philosophy may accept a lesser (just as plausable)
degree, with less sensationalism. If a person is waiting for a bell to ring they may miss a subtle communication that a loved one is tring to relate to them in relation to a nastolgic device. syncing thought to subtly nudge the receiver. Say your grand ma notices (from the other side) that you are focusing on the bell and recalls a memory the two of you share imagine if that memory could be triggered by a disciplined/determined ghost, that is willing to expend enegy to relate it. Are you still enough occasionally to feel that or are you waiting for a twirling chandler?

I like the idae of a vacume sealed container. good idea

Dabbler I think it is only demons who take control of human bodies or ones who have not finished there task on earth but you are speaking of ghosts who just are on earth with no purpose so how could they take control of someone?

I would imagine mild possession or a simple brush with a persons conciousness, but that is notional interjection.

that a ghost could be imagined to "micro possess a person" to stir a sentimentiel recollection.

could be anything. A scream some1 calling ur name, Anything

It could be a voice calling your name?? because sometimes i hear voices calling me and it creeps me out. or the constant feeling someone is watching me.

If you hear voices you should speak to a doctor... this website is not liable for any type of medical advice or prognosis surrounding voices.

lol true if it became an all the time thing i would but till then i wont worry...

Generally if you think someone is watching you they usually are. I usually carry a handbag sized metal detector that I adapted just in case O.O

i suppose that if one measured the environments level and air flow to make sure that drafts and other conditions don't eighty-six the experiment. set up video surveillance then when/if things are moved around in the room check the footage to see what can possibly explain it. using the scientific method (which is complicated but can sorta be summed up by making theories and try to prove those theories right or wrong. usually wrong but wrong is still progress) to find the source of the activity.

The key would be to understand exactly what "geist energy" is. To prove existance in this way would mean that one has measurement tools and understands what one is measuring.

There are some interesting theories presented here on how to measure or capture the energy, but one would need firm understanding of the nature of the energy with mathimatical proofs.

Think about how other unknown items were shown to exist. Lets say a planet. Astronomers studied orbits of celestial bodies and noticed perturbations in those orbits. By calculating the amount of deviation from the normal orbital path, astronmers are able to determine the mass and position of the new planet. The astronomer would then search in that location until the planet is found.

Similar studies in sub atomic particles, the study of movement and energy levels, led researchers to postulate new particles. The researchers determined the mass, energy levels and movements and the predicted the particles existance. The researchers then designed experiments based on the mathimatical models. The researchers looked for specific results, of specific experiments, based on specific calculations using specific measurement techniques, devices and measurement units.

I think an EMF device of some sort would really be the only way to tell if there was something there or not

If a researcher were to design experiments to demonstrate "geist energy", that researcher would have to create a mathimatical model for that energy.

I understand that ghost hunters use certain instruments, but there are no quantitative values associated with existance of a specific phenoma. Variances in instrument readings don't prove existance of anything in particular unless they match the predictions of a scientific and mathimatical model.

As far as a sound way to demonstrate, you would need a model of what to expect based on expirementation and observation. Ghost hunting would have to change from an exciting activity or reality TV show to a field of study that documented measurements and observations. I'm sure there are paranormal studies departments at universities and probably some other organizations that have taken steps to develop the scientific background needed.

The biggest issue to overcome would be proving that the phenomena that you measured and documented was actually "geist energy". You would have to connect or integrate your model and theories into know and well understood phenomena.

The basic issue with EMF or any type of measurements is that you would have to prove that "geist energy" creates measurable EMF, that the measured EMF came from the phenomena and have some reasonable theory as to why and how it does.

maybe sometimes the ghost would look only half faded, instead of completly invisible

Do any of you gentlemen or ladies believe certain areas have more geist energy than others if so why???

I believe they do because the stonehenge is a good example as it is a connection for the spirit world and ours.

Maybe the ectoplasma could be put under a microscope for closer examination and test it in the lab also.

most things that are "said' to be ecto plasma always 'disappear" after seances. Chiffon dipped in glow in the dark paint, or dye. one cheat (theatric) is to tell someone they will be first "abandoned" by oppressive
"spirits", (they feel a static over their body) this is theatrics using a small generator of static through plates under a table. Then they are told that, they will "feel" the renewing "spirits" , And they do feel light touches on their faces (some cases the person is even naked, a practice used to assure a "client" is less likely to mention such activity.) The 'spirit touch? Bubbles, if they notice the solution it is conviantly called ecto plasm.

Very insightful post in this thread thank you for the active participation.

I think todays society is to skeptical. If something spiritual happens to them they blow the thought off and its never mentioned.

A microscope may be a good way to examine ectoplasm i myself would like to study it.

Come to think of it untill I read this thread I have never imagined examine a ghost. I would have believe that the equipment we use on ourselfes deal with pulses heart bones veins etc so it would very hard

I guess I watch Ghost Hunters too much. But, I see nothing wrong with the way they do it. And they aren't set out to find a ghost but to debunk the theory when people try to pull a fast one on them.

I've considered this myself before, and been asked for methods myself. I agree with many here. Thedog shed good light and so did many others, I would like to credit those, but I forgot Handles already. Sorry.

But what we seem to be dealing with is measuring fact of Metaphisical/Multidemensional energy transparent in our own. The flaw with this is that it's purely theoretical. We are trying to measure what we assume to consists of energy and try to measure it. We already assume it exists. We already assume it can be measured. (-We'll all be there soon enough anyway...) We're Trying to use tool of our own demension to measure what that we believe isn't of this demensiion.
I've heard of recordings played backwards to reveal the speakers true intentions... BS I've heard many things of those same recordings in different languages equaling absurdity.
EM Disturbances are only assuming. So is Vacuum Seals and Witchcraft confinement.
Our societies and civilizations are abundant in electromagnetic waste, radiant energy is everywhere. Radiation is naturally occuring all around us, even by our own sun.
So what are we measuring again? With tools devised to measure our own dimension? How many dimensions have there been theorized to exist? And how much proof have we of these?
I sometimes wonder, with certain feats if were working forwards or bakwards from the question or the answer. Is this Jeopardy or Wheel of Furtune? ...sorry...

gotta catch the ghost first, and the only way to really do that is by making a machine that'll throw a force field to trap plasma.

well i would use all spectrum goggles to first locate said ghost and study his movements i dont think i would want to contain the energy being that you would be impeeding its right to haunt or move beyond

A sound way to explain what?
I'm a bit confused creat a ghost? I was lead to believe that a ghost is a soul that hasn't moved on yet one who has either been summond or hasn't moved on b/c they have unfinnished business to finnish they've been given a chance to help someone from suffereing the same fate as them. but as far as creating an entitiy it isn't possible only b/c a soul is God given not able to be created by man..

In my opinion I don't think there would be a way to study a ghost inside of the physical relm.

However, I do think that a ghost could be studied by another ghost or spirit of some other supernatural being.

I use the phrase I could imagine.. as opposed to opinion. I have no attached likely hood that any obvious sign assures me of anything in the after life. I question peoples intense search for something "physical" to confirm their after life expectancies.

That and ghost being made to "jump through hoops"
Yea theirs something to look forward to in an after life.. still being scrutinized by curious people.

ok this thread was quite confusing to me and as I read through everyones response I started to understand untill these last few Imagine instead of Opinon in a way it is ur opinon it's ur perception the way u look at it so it's the way u imagine it the image u receive in your mind... how ever when it comes to the supernatural and different relms as well as examining what a ghost is what it's made out of how they function where they come from how they can exisit if u don't know then perhaps these things are not meant to be known these are things that I believe mortals shouldn't really pry in too.

And they should stop posing as well with hoaxes, I mean entertainment is one thing but fraud aimed at sentemental people.. that is wrong so catching people that pose as ghost is easier then catching a "real" one.

that is a good question.
maybe a lab with equiptment which wont exist untill the 57th century.
only immortals will be 'alive' then so maybe a simpe emr scope may work for now

so like the ghostbusters j/k. that was interesting though but to stay on the topic i think you would have to have the sealed container yes but wouldnt the ennergy escape. and how could you test it before hand?

Location as well where is a guy or gal going to pick up a spook date to scope out.

you could do a see through contraption, but how would you know it would trap it? why wouldn't the geist just ..... i dunno, drift through it ?

Thats my interest, first what type of energy could be used to hold the specimin in place?

Assuming that spiritual energy could be effected by electormagnetic energy, magnetism is really the only method that I could think of using.

We have not found a way to manipulate or produce gravity, which might be a great choice, since it is the most powerful energy that we know of, but still don't understand.

Energy is left behind by everyone every moment. Trapping energy may not be that of a ghosts. The chamber used in the movie "Ghostbusters" was once rumored to be a true device. Could something like that be made? and if it is already made can it be used successfully? Will it decide what type of energy it is trapping?

I say something those that are in tune with them selves and that side will hear.

Well if it were even possible I think a vacum sealed room or container would be a plausible antidote... what about liquid nitrogen... could that freeze it into a substance... lol or am I far out reaching myself.

I would go the sound waves, they tend to bounce off anything. Even a movement monitor some of these now adays are pretty sensitive.

i would use a thermos :) no but i would think an air toght sealed canister or holding tank.

It couldn't be observed in a physical sense, however you could use such as a thermo-magnetic type object to view changes it temperature as ghosts are generally thought to be a cold being.

I would imagine that if a medium contacted a spirit then an EKG perhaps even an EGG would show any changes, a self avowed channeler would if wired up be a toll of sorts to investigate current claims of ghost / spirit matters.

Ghosts are made up of a form of electrical energy which can be registered on certain detectors used to scale radioactive leaks. It may be possible to hold a ghost in a field of equal or greater energy than itself. You would need to match the type of energy. That is the hard part.

Wouldn't it also be hard to get the money and technology to create such a device?

See that is incentive to be a researcher. Traditionally metaphsics are shunned by academics because of the tie-up in grant money, money that could be spent on relavent subjects, as yet all claimed studies are unlisted in their application to relavent knowledge.. ok we define a disemodied soul.. people will want more tangeable proof a "flaming Hoop" plus the long jump to use a metaphor. yet I notice that claims people in the paranormal theatrics are very limited and people still get just as gaga over them. So they cling to things that assured them physically of things that are beyond. There is more money in the current non-searching technics of today because both ghost hunter and seeker are stale on proving a ghost exist in a way other then they can benefit from it.

Dabbler, I think your on to something there. Since it is difficult to prove the presence of a ghost with scientific instruments, get the help of medium. The medium should be able to tell you when the ghost is present and when they are channelling the ghost. The readouts o typical medical instruments should show changes between when the medium is alone and when channelling a ghost.

wouldn't you know a majority of challers refuse to hook up to a polygraph machine during a reading. Also failed to accept a ekg. I would figure a cat wired that is in the death room would register more. I liked that earlier suggestion of a cat or other animal in the study chamber.

Just because science has not reached an agreed understanding of occult matters doesn’t mean it cant be done
Maybe a heat camera set for cold spots might.
A photon camera can see through stuff and as long as photons bounce off the ghost you got a picture.
Quantum testing will im sure prove a ghost sooner rather than latter.
I was reading about the philosophers stone being found maybe?
http://www.eioba.com/a42026/has_the_philosophers_stone_been_found_quantum_science_begins_to_understand_anci

using SQIDS they found cells inside the ghost gold talking via light im a big believer in biophotons and this simple energy would be all that’s left after we leave our body… this is why left over consciousness is like a ball or glob seen floating it can cause a projection to our minds of how it once looked or an important detail to it… in such a state it would be hard to understand for sure.
So I think ghost are minus the body biophotons and we have just begun to understand …

If you could get a medium to hook up to medical equipment, you could even compare the medical records of the ghost, when alive to the current outputs during the channeling.

from what I here the best way to "examine" them is by tape recorders, cameras, and emf meters.

So would a possessive spirit register on the host MRI.. what activity should register on an mediums MRI ?


Could testing for what is displaced by an apparition account for said apparition.

What exactly is picked up by a recorder? Please provide links.

Most of our current measuring equipment detects things that also occur naturally...from radiation, to temperature fluctuations, to radio waves, to magnetic resonance. That's the problem and a bit of a catch 22. If you use a piece of equipment that can pick up ambient readings, then how are you to suggest that the reading you get is something other than background noise or even a aberrant though natural occurring change. However, if you create something that can measure a previously unknown thing (like ectoplasm) for example, who's to say that you're actually measuring anything real, and once it's proven real, does it occur naturally and if so, you're back to square one.

Being prone to tainting (I can produce ecto plasm..) any equipment would need to be sealed. I am reminded of the "reverend" that produced "Orb/Blobs" on camera.. it was the "reverends" niece glicking the camera
with candy juice.

Even sealed equipment can be affected through other means (radiological or magnetic or heat, etc. You would need something to be sealed to every measurable real element in existence to prove that it came from inside the container not out. Then, you'd have to unseal it to see the reading at which point one could claim you just tainted it :)

I think EMF would be the most workable. But also the basic photo's can detect ghost if they want to be seen that is.

I wonder how a vacuum sealed container and spray a mist of water in and freeze would go, surely if anything in the contain the water would rest on and by freezing would show up.

Then there is the big factor.. location, location, location.. I mean if you want to catch a rabbit you look for rabbit tracks or dropping, or other reliable indicators that a rabbit has been in the area.

That is very true and I believe that is how ghost hunters do work they look for places know to be have ghost activities in the area and they place what equipment they have in these know areas.

As dull and boring as this answer might be, I would assert that ghosts could best be examined only if they existed. And if they did exist, we would likely see them as no more fascinating than a rain-forest species of frog, nor any less fascinating. As concepts of the supernatural stand, it would appear that the fascination some hold is rooted within the lack of evidence to support their claimed existence.

That which does not exist can forever been said to be elusive and mysterious. It is only that which does exist which can be examined and studied because credible examination requires evidence, and evidence requires existence or misunderstanding. There is no credible evidence to support the idea of ghosts.

I would imagine that some sort of sealed container would work to catch the ghost. But my thoughts are wondering how you would get them in to the container.

i was gonna ay ghost busters but i dunno. my question is how do you seal soethng you can't touch? what if it's not in our demension?

Something else that I was thinking about as well. Something from another deminsion hmm, not so sure about that one.

I can understand the equipment that TAPS use when they are checking into a place possible haunting but I don't exactly understand the readings and such that they get.

but how do you trapt something not seen by the human eyes?

could you explain more about this?

wow, is that even possible?/

I dont know if you can examine them our tape them but would be nice to know if you could

If we imagine ghost exist for the moment, and in the moment.. relative to the attraction the ghost feels.. then a sentimental item said to be haunted.. could be imagined to be "bait".

With all the standard equipment that routine haunting investigators use. I notice what is not used. Motion detectors, a tremor gauge, and perhaps sticky attachable fish eye corner cams. Set to zero light function.

A polygraph machine for mediums. with a pre test chart to compare pre "trance". I would imagine this would be very informative to any medium to have such research done, yet finding a claimed medium that would volenteer.. I think would be as likely as actually containing a ghost.

i see

The lab time would cost money though.. so if someone passed a "grant hat" to make a ghost magnet.. would you invest? What would the "reading/findings" confirm? How would the data be applied?

i don't know if i would invest init

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