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Lots of people associate vampires with BDSM and vice versa. What's your take on the impact of one on the other?

Essitentally, they have nothing to do with each other. They are their own separate entities.

However, in the BDSM culture, there is a fetish for what is refereed to as energy/chakra play. So for a kinky vampire, that kind of play is the icing on the cake, so to speak. ^_^

I agree with PoeticHeart.

Essentially Bdsm & vampirism are not connected, but often go hand in hand. I myself am a Master/sir on the path of Bdsm, and that for me is another view/ way to spirituality and sexuality.

I also agree that The BDsm lifestyle is one all its own and isnt connected to Vampirisim.

There are alot of 'plays' which might appeal to a Vampire or vampire couple but that does not mean that they go hand in hand.

Both can go together, especially as you bring a more ritual character into the bdsm game, but essentially there is no connection between the two life styles.

For myself they flow together, but that is a personal touch.

I think the reason that BDSM and Vampirism seem to go together quite well, is because many members of the Vampire community are very open minded and thus, do not view BDSM as weird.

Can agree there, members of the vampire community, will have another view on several matters, including Bdsm. And even if they don't practice it, they maybe will have a more open mind about it. While people who are fixed in, for example, a conservative or strong religious background, will see it as wrong or sinfull.

I have noticed through time, that when people are deprived of their senses, for example with a blindfold and hearing protection, and this for a longer period of time (More then 45 minutes), some start to see images, hear sounds, smell things or feel a vibration in their body. And I am convinced, that also in this way, you can reach into a higher or differently stated deeper realm.

Remember Odin, who hung for nine days and nights on a tree, some say he sat in a leather bag, but in the end of his ordeal he reached supreme wisdom, through the runes that were revealed unto him.

I completly agree, unfortunatly if you bring up the topic of BDsm in a 'regular' conversation with mainstream couples and such they look at you like you have lost your mind.

They fail to see the growth one can experiance in this community, and yes i believe not only Vampires but all creatures of the night have a more open minded approach to this lifestyle.

I agree with practically everyone on here. Essentially not connected at all. Though mainstream society sometimes considers being a vampire a "fetish".

I think you find a lot of fetishes, not just BDSM, among our culture solely because there tends to be a greater acceptance of it, and more open minds.

Personally I also enjoy BDSM as several have also said. I think it is a deeper bond between partners, trust. Same thing goes with my personal beliefs and lifestyle as a witch and vampire. You must trust someone to let them into this sort of lifestyle.

Indeed, Bdsm is not a thing you do with the first guy or women you meet, there has to be a chemistry and that has to grow. Trust is an essential!

And it even isn't always about a sexual pleasure, just excercesing control can be a very rewarding thing.

Well I have been to play parties where I engaged in great play with new people it was great. Too bad BDSM is technically illegal though. Privacy is a real must. not like you could have play in the back yard. *LOL*

How did you come up with "BDSM is illegal?" Because it's not. As long as everything is consensual, you can do just about anything you want. Incest, zoophilia, necrophilia, pedophilia and snuff are, of course, illegal;; however they are not the definition of BDSM. That can be as simple as letting someone tell you what to do, or as complex as a planned out takedown scene with multiple toys involved.

I agree i havnna huerd that BDsm is illegal. As stated I am a member of that community and see many Master and slaves who are open about there relationships and have never experianced any crap from the authorities only foolish people who think its sick.

Its not illegal in the sense that there is a law against it specifically, just some actions that it entails. Depending on your fetish, you could wind up in trouble for the likes of Domestic Violence, and something to do with confinement, though I cant remember how exactly how its termed.

Its illegal in some states and countries cause of the violence
but and the laws but then in some states so is sex toys

have to agree that the two are separate
what pisses me off is people saying they are part of the BDSM lifestyle when in actual fact they are just roleplaying
Am I a vampire but slowly learning what there is to know about the BDSM lifestyle as a person I am interested in is part of that lifestyle

they have nothing to do with each other but at the same time go side by side...

This thread is veering off. The question was If vampirism and BDSM go together? So far all I can see is people talking about BDSM.

Let's keep it on track or I'll have to close it. ;)

One level, where I do think that Bdsm & Vampirism go together is on a ritual base. With this I mean using the Bdsm as a ritual way to a vampiric rite.

There isn't a big difference between a vampiric rite with or without bdsm, but personaly I do like the extra touch.

I completely see the ritual aspect of how these two mesh together

There are forms of blood play in BDSM that can be directed in a very Vampiric styled fashion.

The place where BDSM & Vampire play cross over or are in the same Venn ball park is the power play of old new and/or dom sub and the relationships that unfold through that.

For anyone on the outside it would sure be difficult to not look at a vampire master (of myth and metaphor) and a BDSM master and not think that they're the same.

"Vampire Master"- You have a point with that. There's also a lot of biting and a little pain comes with it. Also! Some people have a blood fetish, so they have to be careful because of germs and such. They may seem different but I think of it as the same simply from the role play.. The biting is a form of dominance.

But do any of you think that one affects the other in any way? Like, would someone into BDSM then be attracted to vampirism, or vice versa? Have any customs from either lifestyle crossed into the other and/or changed the other? How?

I have always looked at vampirism as a thing of elegance. I have never thought of BDSM or really anything hardcore.

I believe it depends on the individual.
Not every vampyre will want to be a Dom/sub such as many Masters/subs wouldn't want to experiance vampyrisim.
Yes maybe some do cross that threshhold into the other but essentially it depends on the individual.

Both lifestyles are very sensual in my opinion, and can be harnessed, and directed in mutual areas.

I think that a vampire will be more easy drown towards Bdsm, to enrich his/her experience and work on a deeper level, around spirituality & sexuality.

A master in Bdsm will not be drown so fast towards vampirism, or will see it as part of a game.

At least that are my thoughts.

People who discovered vampirism and explore it deeper, indeed will have a more open mind, which will prepare them for other things to look into.

While many just see the bdsm as a kinky part of their life, enjoying the sexual part of it, but never will be confronted with a deeper part of themselves in this.

If we are not prepared to encounter our dark side, or as Jung would say, our shadow, then there is no oppurtunity to grow further.

Ok for starters Vampirism is not a lifestyle choice it's a state of being.

You either are a Vampire and need to feed to sustain yourself -or- you are a role player that likes the idea of vampires because it allows you to play into a darker side of you personality. Any body that mixes the two does so for the purpose of fulfilling a fantasy and that purpose alone.
The thrill of doing something deviant or sociably taboo appeals to a lot of people but it's not a fashion statement... Vampirism and BDSM are not an inner changeable pear of shirt and pants. You can be a vampire that likes BDSM but lets call it that then.

Indeed, vampirism is a state of being. But for many there seems not to be a full awakening & these never realy know where they belong. Only in accepting that one is a vampire, we fully come to understand this state.

As such Bdsm can be an extra to discover, but it probably will not be a main issue.

Amongst those that practice Bdsm, many are only drawn to it, because it is seen as something forbidden and they feel good doing it, but they don't get the point, it can be used as an inner exploration.

Only when we go past the sociable character of bdsm, we can see, there is a much deeper meaning connected with it.

As always, each has to go their own path & discover how to proceed on this.

I would think they're both forbidden in societe and with bdsm you have to be careful because it's considered assault and battery. And the general public also frowns upon both, as well

The laws are very different, for example in Belgium Bdsm is seen as illegal, but if it's between two consenting adults, the police doesn't intervene. Vampirism isn't illegal in itself, but several acts as blooddrinking could be, if it's not between consenting people.

When I lived in Amsterdam it wasn't frowned upon. In England it's frowned upon but police don't really care unless tyhere's been a serious injury. In California how ever I knew a woman who was arrested for domestic violence because she was spanking her husband in a sex game, made noise and a neighbour called the police. *LOL* The Judge laughed and threw the case out.

I think there is also a connectedness in the fact that both have at some point (although not as much these days necessarily) been taboo. There was an openness that could be found for conversation, and aspects that mirrored one another closely; even sometimes intertwining as stated by many responding before me.

Socially-speaking, the two groups had enough in common to talk about. I think perhaps in that way they effect one another.

I think the only reason they might go hand in hand is when those involved in the lifestyle choose to participate in either energy or blood play.

I have been in the lifestyle for 16 years and it wasn't until I came here (4 or 5 yrs ago) that I found more people associating the two lifestyles together.

Essentially it goes back to how you live your life and what interests you. For me I am not a participant in blood play, thus I have yet to be with anyone that was. I have participated in energy play but not from a vampire point of view. Just in a controlling form.

So again, goes back to what you enjoy, who you surround yourself with and what beliefs you have. I can understand how they could be associated but I personally don't believe they should be directly linked unless the persons involved live both forms of the lifestyles.

Aries you make good points here. When I was introduced to the lifestyle it was rather intriguing but I dove right in first as a male sub for 4 years, then a Dom. it's fun mysterious and so many avenues to choose from

Thank you Sir.

After re-reading the question I realized that I'm not sure if I answered the question at hand.

In many ways it does come back to choices. Our choices can affect or impact many different facets in our world.

I think it has connections to BDSM and being "open minded" has nothing to do with it.
BDSM basis its whole protocol and other acts on domanince and submission.
A slave submits to a master just as a "victim" would submit to a vampire.even if the victim or slave doesnt want to,the master or Vampire has the power.
Think about it some more,you will get what Im saying.

@Oceanne
That's kind of what I was thinking when I opened the thread. That there are huuuuuge similarities between Vampirism and BDSM. What I'm trying to get at, is that they can't really exist without in some way affecting each other. They're too similar to not cross paths at some point, but they're different enough that said crossing would or could impact one or the other. Does blood fetishism exist because of Vampirism? Did vampires begin to be more seductive as a result of mental bondage? Things like that. I don't know *exactly* how to say what I'm trying to say but I hope that kinda helps lol

Or maybe vampirism was a result of the blood fetish practices by BDSMers way back in the day.A way of romanticising it and making it more appealing to outsiders...

agree with all the viewpoints here. perhaps lifestylers should delve more into the similarities

I understand what is being stated and do agree that both the lifestyle and vampire lifestyle are very similar.

With that said, I do not believe that they are directly connected unless you connect them. I am in the lifestyle but I am not a vampire. I just happen to like all things relating to vampires.

I do love the thoughts and views of this thread though. Thank you for starting it.

Completely seperate, that some may chose to mix and others may not.

Nell would you be of the opinion, that those who choose to co-mingle the lifestyles would come to discover enhancement in both?

I'd like to know what specific fetishes people enjoy?

Not a "share your fetishes" thread- keep it on topic of the first posting, thank you.

Well as far as I'm concerned, if you desire to blend both the lifestyles together, then hey make it work as best possible, and you've all my support to do so

The "lifestyle" tends to blend easily with all kinds lifestyles,why not vampires?

Ehhhh I'm going to beg to differ on that one
The BDSM lifestyle doesn't really "blend" with the vanilla lifestyle
They're like
Polar opposites
Haha

I have vanilla friends who thought i was some manner of abnormal deviant, when I told them about my alternative lifestyle. After thoroughly explaining it they understood, however in their minds they'd never try it.

Someone accidentally found me out. When they confronted me
I did not lie & I explained it to them, they said I was a freak and I was going to hell.

Me and everyone in the lifestyle should be institutionalized
And refused to speak to me after.

Lamesauce

well those who won't speak to you it's their damn loss.

Very true
But I'm just saying that it does happen
The lifestyle doesn't mesh everywhere
&&Actually
Depending on where you work
If the wrong people find out
You can lose your job

Well,as far as the BDSM thing goes,not everyone wants to know about someons sexual preffs.And to even bring it up in the general public is not only rude,it isnt very smart.

This thread has veered way off topic. It's time for it to be closed.