I know that there are vampires with psychic- related abilities. I have premonitions, for instance. What abilities do you people have? When did you realize you had this ability? If people don't understand what the ability does, please explain.
Premonitions are often called Deja' vu, if that clears anything up. They occur when someone sees an event in the past, either in a dream or in real life, and then witness the event at some future future date in real life.
First,you might want to read this and other writings pretaining to Dejavu.
http://www.shaktitechnology.com/dejavu.htm
Also,Ive know quite a few vampires and have never met one with any abilities above and beyond any other sensitive human.
Well, in one case I have,and that would be Upir.His abilities arent the standard however, and when the vampire is seen in his light,there just really arent many others who fit into the vampire criteria as far as abilities go.
My Deja'vu experiences are first witnessed in dreams, with out doubt. Then at a future date I witness the event I saw in the dream. I read the website, and I understand what it is saying, but when I compare my vision and the situation which triggered recall, the details are exactly the same, no difference. This thread is intended to find extraordinary psy abilities if any exist.
I wish you all the best then,because in spite of many who claim such,Ive never seen any differences as far as psy is concerned.
Deja Vu, not very often and always something small. Then i can sometimes pick up thoughts and feelings of people standing close by.
Are we only focusing on psy abilities? Oh well this is what I have to share.
Things come to me easier. You know like being a quick learner.
I have pretty good sight in the dark.
I can connect with things of my affinity.
Questions?
Yes,I have a question..How are these abilities different from (mundane) people who are sensitive?In other words,what makes them exclusive abilities of a vampire?
i have a question to ask
is deja vu only one the so special on vamps?
Well, I suppose nothing make them exclusive to vampires. I hear that some people claim (on some other sites) that abilities like affinities or deja'vu, are more common among vampires. Others (again on other sites) claim that the vampire version of an ability is more potent, though nothing truly can be used to back these claims.
It is believed that déjà vu occurs when two events or places are very similar to each other, overlap in memory and causes the feeling of déjà vu to take place.It is also associated with very mild seizures.As much as I have studied this,I have to tell you, I dont believe it is a paranormal phenomenon or some kind of repressed memory from another life.
Precognition is a different animal ..but how that pretains to a vampire ability? I really cant see it as such.
A little reading to help understand Deja vu.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=what-is-going-on-in-the-brain
http://www.intropsych.com/ch02_human_nervous_system/deja_vu_as_a_brain_event.html
As far as I can tell all of the abilities that my vamp friends state that they have I have read about or heard about "normal" people having. No super human strengenth or speed. Lol I am an empath and have met one or two others that are "stronger" than I, so I do not think that being a vampire enhances such abilities. I believe it all depends on the person.
What about Psychic Vampyres? I do not know many humans who can take or manipulate Psychic energy. Not all Vampyres are the same however so it all depends on them. I myself have many Psychic abilities and my will is very strong. I do know however that all Vampyres despite there age (reincarnation speaking as I believe we are Vampyres in all of our lives) still have the Allure factor; if they know how to use it anyways.
See,thats the kicker JP,I know several who are not vampires ,who are extemely good energy manipulators.
Im thinking , as far as abilities go which might be truly considered a vampire ability,we really need to explore more of Upir's research.Again,thats the only real thing that Ive found to be pretty much exclusive to a vampire.
jmho
I think is important to define and demonstrate in what sense the word vampire is used.
Secondly there have to be proves about the existence of the psychic energy and then about the capacity of manipulating this kind of energy.
After Michelle Belanger and LaVey issued that hypothesis about the psychic vampirism there was no such thing in the history of humankind.
Or was it?
Dragonrouge, you have exactly hit on the key foundational question that cannot be assumed already answered and that must first be answered before any real progress can be made on the issue of what the historical Vampire was/is and, by extension therefore, his abilities actually were/are:
That foundational question is and always has been: What does the term, "Vampire", itself mean... not today after hundreds of years of reinvention... but when first coined?
Without a true etymological and historical examination of the 11th-Century term itself (when first the term appeared in writing) there can be no intelligent consideration to this key question... nor to the abilities that defined the actual Vampire of History.
(And thank you, Oceanne, for your generous remarks; the on-going journey that the answers to the above question have compelled me to travel continues to reveal astounding dividends... most recently the origins of where the false "giant" myths began regarding the descendants of the Rephaim (children of the "Fallen Angels"), specifically as relates to the mention of the "giant" bed of King Og of Bashan (Deut. 3:10-11). The answer to the riddle is in first recognizing that no king would have a bed made intended only for... himself. Once this is realized, the riddle is easily answered, the bed's unusual proportions become glaringly obvious... and the king's true size made just as apparent.)
As with the Truth regarding the Historical Vampire... once the facts are viewed in their proper context and perspective, everything else lines up and makes perfect sense; the "mysteries" disappear altogether. ;)
- Upir'
Is there a way that we can learn to manipulate energy more efficiently, or learn to manipulate energy if we don't know how? I am currently limited to my premonitions.
Well,many believe in reincarnation,but there is really just no way to know for sure.
One thing though,there are certain sacred and religious texts and beliefs that indicate there might indeed be reincarnation,but if we read carefully,many also suggest that old memories are not brought with us into our new lives etc..
While absolutely interesting,and a subject covered in many threads,Im not sure how reincarnation can relate to Vampire ability.
Reincarnation relates to vampirism because some believe that it is through incarnations that their vampirism continues and that is their immortality. It is like any belief, it is something that cannot be proven. When you go into the area of the unknown you either believe it or you don't. The vampire community has drawn together many people of similar experiences.
As far as dejavu is concerned, anyone can experience that and I don't exactly consider that an ability. Vampirics don't have any more special abilities generally speaking. It is just that they are a much smaller group and tend to be interested in the occult and many cultivate what they have naturally and then there are those that appear to have psychic abilities and a few other sensitivities but there is no proof that it has anything to do with a state of being. On the other hand, those who claim such things generally believe there is a connection. No one knows. It is believed through being around others of like mind who have all experienced the same things and call themselves vampires.
There are other theories as well as to why but I'm not going into all of that. As a group there are many that try to be open minded but there are some things just as with others in this forum that doesn't go over that well. No one can say yes or no on this in actuality because if you don't know the person up close and personal, how would you know. Either side is only going on their own personal beliefs and experiences. Generally most of the community believes in certain things but they don't generally call themselves superhuman or have acquired any specific abilities more than others. Unfortunately there are some that do. Therefore it is sort of a conundrum. Personally over the years I haven't made a real decision about this topic because I don't think it matters.
I experience de ja vu as well, however, I am also Epileptic and it is a common symptom of some seizure disorders. Does that mean Vampires are Epileptic? Or perhaps, if tall tales of the Vampire are to be a reference point in the demonic..then perhaps I am Demon-possessed of a Vampiric spirit that makes me Epileptic?
I am being completely facetious with those statements of course...as by all means, concerning this thread, I would have to be in agreement with Ocean and Upir on the topic.
i've experience deja vu many times in my life
im hoping that my questions will be answered
b'coz many of the theories about vamps seems to related to what is happening to me
so does eternity life comes?
many of the forum is claiming it.
if you bathe in virgin blood
it sucks . . i dont think it really true
De ja vu is not a ability!!
It's a past life connection... memory if you will, to a person, place, or similar event.
Virgin Blood??
I'm not even going to ask what site this was but I would recommend what ever site you saw that on you stay away from it... their words hold ZERO TRUTH!!
ive experienced a very tiny bit of pre cognition, but not enough to think of it as a true abilty.
for myself, my sense of smell seems far more developed than anyone i know. (i have other abilities as well, but they are more of a naughty nature LOL).
~W~
I agree that Dejavu is not an ability,but really,I have a problem with the idea that it is "memories from the past" .
If incidences of Dejavu are memories from the past,then this would suggest that we are living the exact same life over and over again.And taking into evidence,which consists of testimony,that concept falls short and is highly unlikely.
As far as abilities which are exclusive to a Vampire that include precog,telepathy,empathy ...energy manipulation etc?
There is nothing there beyond what humans are gifted with,so ,so far,thats a deadend too.
Please be careful when it comes to believing something or someone that you,yourself cannot verify.And if you encounter people who start talking about Virgin blood secret sects and the like? Or that vampires must isolate theirselves from the rest of the population?
Run like hell.
everything everyone is listing is not necessarily a "vampire" ability normal people can do any of this stuff all you have to do is open up your mind. Maximize your brain function so to say. here is a article that talks a little on it
http://scienceray.com/biology/human-biology/how-much-brain-do-we-use/
Sorry if this was a little off subject
Your questions were:
What abilities do you people have? When did you realize you had this ability?
I am a psi feeder, a lightworker, and clairvoyant. Basically an energy worker. Yes that sort of sounds a little contradictive in a sense and trust me, i was confused for a while.
I realized these abliities as i got older and started to do more research, so my labeling of self didn't come until around mid 20s to 30s.
I agree that anyone who is sensitive to energies around them are very capable of picking up things much like an animal would. I do not view myself really any differently other than the fact at times I am shown things by whatever powers that be to guide my inner self to see what I am meant to see and perhaps use them to guide or help another in some form. Or perhaps they are trying to show me something about myself to awaken some inner part within.
First, it should be noted that there aren't really vampires with special abilities. There are individuals with abilities that are often called vampires for lack, perhaps, of a better description.
My own abilities are energy related and aren't remarkably different than the abilities of other sensitive individuals. There are plenty of energy workers and healers that also share a latent ability to see beyond normal perception. Premonitions, abilities to read past lives, and even astral travel are understudied because they are really only in the hands of the few who dare to mention said abilities. Research is sketchy and literary works are often unreliable resources.
As such, any ability is not truly vampiric in nature as it is commonly alleged today. Instead, it's often how the ability is used that makes it vampiric. A lot of this ability is subjective to the individual.
To answer your initial question, I work with energy and often feed off it the way a vampire could be described as "feeding" energy. I also transmute energy and can often boil negative energy to more neutral or positive energy.
Whether it is necessary for living is arguable. I personally don't believe it's possible to be one who is sensitive to energy and be able to NOT absorb it. At least not without directly shielding against it.
I agree with your post that it might be considered as such by some and that it would be "vampiric" in the way one might use it.But in the end,it just a part of being human.We all have it,its just all in who uses it or not.
I can't speak for other vampires, but I can consciously or unconsciously drain others of energy.
I can also "will" things to happen.
I can send out soul messages over great distance to seek out others like me.
I can read thoughts to a certain extent.
Thats cool Nikki,any ideas on how that is exclusive to the vampire?IF it is?
I have no proof; I just know that it's related to it somehow.
Oh, sorry I have been gone so long. The difference from being sensitive is and as I should have stated earlier is the energy I can see and feel with in a group and manipulate it to my purpose like in a crowd of people I can focus on one or a group of people and listen from a distance or find emotions hidden behind the intent of the subject.
A common trait I have found, in crowds how do you two feel, or ....
How do you cope?
Is there like a checklist of things that makes a vampire and what doesn't according to abilities cuz otherwise i'm just seeing people questioning how something makes it a vampiric ability.
If one is able to control, or take energy from people because they lack it, i would think most consider that a vampiric ability. If someone can literally see themselves come out of body and sexually feed from someone else, would that be more correct for you guys cuz i think some people consider that a type of succubus or incubus.
I'm pretty certain that whatever secrets vampires have, they sure as hell ain't gonna post it here to be questioned to death because someone doesn't understand how vampire abilities function.
Psy,I question because every alleged ability so far,again with the exception of Upir's version,that is supposed to make a vampire a vampire, are not different from abilities that humans have.And with that in mind,they cannot be abilities that make the vampire unique.And believe this or no,I have yet to meet a vampire that really wants to keep these things,or their identity a secret.
It isnt because of a lack of understanding how the above mentioned abilities function Psy.It is looking for,and determining how one of those abilities would make them any different than any other human.And I say this because humans have these abilities also.
If humans are doing the things i've just listed.....then perhaps they ARE vampiric? I have seen Upir's profile and I am not discrediting what his research is all about, however there are a lot of things that are usually kept withheld for protection's sake and I highly doubt you will get those answers over a website. I believe humanity is fed things here and there for a reason, and that is because the community is trying to say "Hey yes we're here, and we want to be accepted!" and granted it's not an easy task for people who have been wary about bringing the dark into the light so-to-speak. Some vampires probably don't have issues with explaining things to people but i'm sure there's a red flag or caution about WHO to explain them to as well.
The only thing that i see that generally seperates Vampyres from the Mundane is the continuous loss of energy (such as prana) and our ability to feed off this energy in multiple ways.
Any "power" or "ability" acquired is, in theory, the result of having the knowledge of how to use the energy to ones will, granted the individual is aware of this energy.
So a Vampyres only "ability" would be to willingly feed off of an individual that has an excess of prana. Anything else can be acquired by any mundane that is aware of and has the knowledge of how to use prana.
Vampires have the innate ability to restart their energy systems, you could be on the edge of life and begin to pull power in from the surrounding environs to return yourself to such an existence.
As was said all vampires were once human. So it would be the conscious change of the human to embrace the life of something akin to a parasite feeding off life to gain life.
In this manner as Oceanne has said all vampires display human traits. This is because it is within the domain of the human to become such a critter.
From this the intake of the living prana current from some external source then boosts what is present within the body of the vampire and augments their life force. With this skill the being becomes "super-human" because it can force the life force of itself, to bend the life forces of other current that has been drawn into itself, to be shaped towards what ever goal of manifestation. To heal external wounds to the body, to increase strength, to give power to energy work, as you augment your own prana with the power taken from another.
but that would be my definition of the doing. By the one who can do this, would classify as a vampire. Human yes, but it is this trait to be able to do such things with both blood, and energy from the environs so deeply as to feed on the very essence of a person to augment their own. Particularly if this was from a willing host.
"Any "power" or "ability" acquired is, in theory, the result of having the knowledge of how to use the energy to ones will, granted the individual is aware of this energy."
So reallly,the difference is simply that one chooses to "feed" off this energy as opposed to using it for something else?
seems so.
It isnt that they are cut from a different cloth of deformity,, but more so that they undertake things from a perspective of the cult view in mind.
Like the divisions between what makes a catholic different from a christian. Is only how they worship the saints and the virgin mary along with the christ. The arabs have their differences, and the jews do as well. It is in essence the same monotheistic power that they worship.
So to is it true for the "vampire" it is the flavor they add to the working. To exploit the activity of feeding upon the waves of another. However, it doesn't mean that every single person who calls themselves a vampire. It is only those that can avail themselves of both sources of feeding, and be able to use the restult.
But then, such is what my research has come down to. These methods can be taught to anyone who has the teeth to learn as it will. Like any cult the membership can be trained, and like any caste of individual, some are natural, some are learned, some are heratic, some are just riding the special bus cause it makes their life easier. However the approach it is as it has always seemed, a chosen distinction of classification. To sort out those who use all the aforementioned human traits.
If you avail yourself of those traits, yes that would be what a vampire does. Yes they are what a human can do because the vampire in essence is human meat. Its the stuff that fills it which classifies what its spirit is.
Were there actual empirical evidence that "energy" were indeed being drained from a donor and received by a "vampire", it would make for a far more convincing argument.
Wouldn't it though?
theory debates are fun. I spose the only way to do this and be sure of it, is to go out and test it in the field. or figure out how to get infrared scans to see how well this can be achieved by the transfer of heat from the target to the "vampire". Personally I haven't got that kind of technology floating around my house. If you do, by all means do the experiment with a human and a human, and a human and a "vampire" and see which one pulls more energy in with the conscious will.
Make the video of the results showing each process, and then post it here for the rest of us to see, and then we will have a good idea of the feeding process that occurs.
I remember seeing a program where they tried that a long time ago.It wasnt very conclusive.However,technology has advanced since then,as has our understanding of enviroment and the human body.It would be good to see if something like that can be recorded somehow.
I can and do pull energy from any living thing be it a tree or human. I have to constantly ground myself to give that energy back. Could I pull so much it hurt someone probably yes. You could ask my gf I made her pass out by accident just by holding her hand. But does that make me a vampire no. It means I can control energy that is all.
I thought they tested Don Henrie with this theory and showed the difference in a person AFTER he was psychically draining someone?
I saw the same special (was either on History Channel or Discovery Channel) on Don Henrie, the "real vampire," ironically featuring him in his fake fangs, fake fingernails and fake contact lenses... who, in addition to claiming that he feeds off of others' energy also claims that he needs blood, as well. He then went on to exhibit his vampiric sanguinary thirst by daintly sipping down a thimbleful-size amount of blood.
The documentary went on to have medical doctors conduct tests on Henrie to learn whether he might have any of a number of different genetic or medically related conditions that might manifest such a claimed need for blood and psy energy. What they found was that he was no different, genetically or otherwise, than anyone else and that there was no discernible difference in him following these acts of "feeding." The main doctor featured, who was also very sympathetic to Henrie, concluded rather sheepishly that as nothing physiological or medical was in evidence, perhaps Henrie should, instead, seek his answers ... with a psychiatrist.
I have heard of and witnessed first-hand physical detrimental effects on a mundane on more than one occasion by way of Psychic feeding.
And yes, Vampyres are simply parasites with a keen sense of prana, how to harvest it and as a bonus, how to use it or bend it to ones will. It's the need for prana that defines Us, but it also gives Us a foot in the door on how to witness and use it. I suppose that's what technically defines us.
On a theoretical spiritual standpoint, it isn't the body itself that needs the prana, but the soul.
I do host a site that, i believe, is more appropriate for these kinds of discussions where any input as far as questions, theories, discussions, etc. are welcomed. If anyone is interested please message Mercutio.
As a human being and not a vampire, I have the keen ability to smell bullshit. I have always known about this "gift".
I can observe that a person may be hungry, thirsty or horny by noting little things that people do when they feel a need. It came from years of people watching because watching people can be interesting. Sometimes when I see a person lick their lips I even bring them water.
I read somewhere a couple of years ago that thoughts are radio waves. The more emotion or energy put behind the thought, the further it travels and the louder it is. Now I am sorry that I don't know where the page is because I think you would have liked it Oceanne.
I might have MoonK.I do tend to lean towards that idea when it comes to thought.
"I have heard of and witnessed first-hand physical detrimental effects on a mundane on more than one occasion by way of Psychic feeding. "
Merc,would you mind sharing some details on what happened to this "mundane" as far as the effects?
@Upir,that might have been one of the docs I saw,and I have to say,I wasnt impressed either.
Its great to see you all back in the forums with your awesome posts!!
Upir, I would like to add that the reason they wear these things is to distinguish who they are to other vampires. Granted, it's really not neccessary to actually have to wear things of that nature but i have witnessed for myself others recognizing the difference between the mudane and someone that is actually vampiric. As someone stated before it is more of a soul thing, not a bodily thing however vampires do have heightened attributes compared to most mudanes.
As per your statement of Don Henrie? From the program that I saw, they pulled out a picture showing the difference in the person he pulled from psychically, before and after shots. They couldn't explain that ofc. but the differences WERE shown.
The scientific minded ones don't always take what they are shown at face value and one will dig and dig until they come up with answers and granted if they can seem to work it out, more power to them, but generally whenever it comes to things of a more spiritual nature, they will have more questions than actual answers.
An actual scientist doesn't claim to know everything btw.
Also from what i recall Upir from said program, he did talk to a psychiatrist and found NOTHING WRONG. :)
PsiGoddess, I appreciate your beliefs and your apparent devotion to those who, like Don Henrie, put themselves into the public eye as "vampires" and achieve fame and notoriety in so doing. I appreciate that, given those beliefs, you feel loyalty to such media personalities. Given that appreciation, I do not wish to offend by debating this particular media personality.
I did a little digging and found that the documentary I watched was "Is it Real? Vampires", a documentary produced by National Geographic Channel. The doctor (not psychiatrist) who performed the medical tests on Don Henrie was Dr. Moody Mostafa.
As there was no psychiatrist on the program, and if not offensive to your beliefs, might I ask which psychiatrist it was who found "nothing wrong" with Don Henrie?
-"I have heard of and witnessed first-hand physical detrimental effects on a mundane on more than one occasion by way of Psychic feeding. "
-Merc,would you mind sharing some details on what happened to this "mundane" as far as the effects?
It didn't seem much more than the common cold, but they had an intensified 'cold' so to speak, developing within hours after the feeding, which had lasted no less than one day and no more than roughly a week. The energy taken was more than one would willingly take, generally, from a mundane.
Couldn't it have actually just been a cold? What you are describing rather vaguely is what some like to call a coincidence.
It very well could have. But their sickness isn't what we're discussing, it's the reason or cause of why their immune system had opened up in the first place and allowed their body to become infected. Is it not also a coincidence that it had happened each time hours after they were fed from in their own environment?
What if it were possible to feed prana from a person, what effects would that have on their entire existence? It would theoretically cause a sudden imbalance of sorts. Imbalance in ones life or existence is known to cause a depressive state, which tends to make the body weak and susceptible to infection. Would it be possible to create such an imbalance that it would drive a persons overall health to deteriorate?
Upir,
people like Don Henrie, Evan Christopher, Michelle Belanger, are those i have to respect to put themselves in the media's eye. Someone with some knowledge of things that can handle answering questions that people wish to know about the vampiric communities, about vampires in general in today's society, without looking like complete fools that perhaps asking others with little knowledge would only add damage to those that are merely seeking acceptance of what or who they are.
To those whom are seeking a guide if you will, to those whom need a light of understanding, rather than those who ridicule, speculate, quick to make one think "there has to be something physically wrong with them" to have certain issues that medical staff cannot fix. Or that something has to be wrong with them mentally to believe the way they do because it's just not "normal".
These people in the forefront are aware that they are being judged by others because they feel they want the attention but if one actually were to ask them, you would be surprised what that answer is.
As for your answer about the doctor's name, I honestly couldn't tell you because it's been over a year since i've watched the program. I don't keep record of doctor's names but i'm sure with some effort in wanting to research to find that answer, couldn't be too complicated especially if it was on TV.
"merely seeking acceptance of what or who they are. "
I think people want to accept vampires as real,so now it the best time for Vampires to gain the acceptance they need.
However,when Vampires go around calling people "Mundanes" or declare theirselves "gifted" or superhuman and above others because if it,it isnt going to sit well with most.Especially when there are no real differences other than perhaps lifestyle and few other little things that run the normal gambit of variation in humans as a whole .
MoonK? I going to have to agree with you about the cold in that it was more than likely coincidence.
Thank you Merc for elaborating .
Prana is a philosophical reference to the electrical current which fires the central nervous system and is responsible for subconscious and conscious brain activity and hypothesized to be the reason that people think and dream.
So if you are able to suck electrical current from another person's body would it deplete their electrical current?
I am going to do some reading today and come back to this. This has me thinking about the THE CONCEPT OF BIOELECTROMAGNETISM. Yes I copy and pasted that from what I am reading. Thank you for giving me something to study!
Oceanne,
I don't recall any of these figure-heads ever calling humanity mudanes, or claiming to be superhuman or any of said statement. I do however agree that anyone that has said such terms are probably recognizing themselves from spirit to physical and thus in doing so, does change some of the physical, or create some enhancements if you will.
Ok, I think I am ready.
"What if it were possible to feed(on)prana from a person, what effects would that have on their entire existence?"
First I want to say that because I do believe that thought is a transmitted radio wave it is not inconceivable that a person could draw electricity from another person. I do believe actual contact of some type would be required. Not personal perhaps but there has to be a conductor.
If proximity can put a person within range of a static connection I think even then a possibility exists in which to draw energy but it would not be very easily directed.
Now here is the thing. You have to plug your energy sucker into another person's energy field. The combined electrical fields would magnetize and the effect would be beneficially parasitic.
Perhaps you heal very quickly for example. As you fed on your hosts energy some of your healing properties would transfer to them. You wouldn't make them weak or sick. In fact the feeling would be Euphoric and they would feel energized.
I don't think it makes a person a vampire. There could be heightened brain activity or hormone overload or both involved but the parasitic personality is still a human being.
I feel the same way Moon,that it wouldnt be vampireism exclusive to a few.
And since humans are pretty much built the same,and are capable of this type of entrainment(as well as other types) I guess we could all be considered Vampires in a sense.
Psy, Not in s thread,you're correct.But they do .It happens often in this forum alone.
And elsewhere,otherwise I wouldnt have brouht it up.
Personally I don't take any sort of offense to being called mundane.
It is a psychological need from person's who perceive themselves as being superior. They call other human beings mundane in order to elevate their own status.
I think that natural abilities are gifts, but abilities in general may be developed by anyone with the will and capability to manipulate energy.
I would give my opinion on the "superior" thing. I understand that some people believe that they are superior to humans because they are vampires, and they have a right to think that, and humans have the right to think they are superior than vampires. I feel that I'm superior to certain people due to what kind of life I live.
Again,I agree with your post MK,.HEY! Are you reading my mind? ;) It is a pattern I have been observing for a long time also.
There are some great and enlightening posts in this thread and as I read them,I found myself thinking about 1.When we look at Upir's work(sorry Upir!) and understand his perception of a vampire,it isnt hard to see,when it comes to sex and passion,how that version would/could actually be likely to go above the norm.
And 2. Due to our very nature, humans are vampiristic and all share certain abilites.IE, empathy,telepathy and sporadic precognition.Humans tend to manipulate and entrain to other's energies without even knowing it a lot of times..
I think some might take that inclination a step further and choose to use those abilities in a slightly different manner than most of us.What I mean is,they get off on the process and it becomes an addiction of sorts.Because of how it makes them feel,They become really tuned in to how this common function affects them and want more.After tiime and practice they become proficient at duplicating the process that results in the desired affects.
And just for the record,these are just questions and suggestions for the sake of discussion,not a declaration of what it IS or isnt.
I know quite a few vampires and granted I may know at least 1 that says humans are mudane but at the same time, I can see why he says that....
Other than simply wanting to,how can someone really refer to all other humans of being mundane,when he is human also?
Definition of mundane according to webster
1
: of, relating to, or characteristic of the world
2
: characterized by the practical, transitory, and ordinary :
I'm glad to be practical. "You dismiss the natural man at your own peril."
Other definitions refer to mundane as being unimaginative now I ask do you really view humankind as unimaginative? I don't we find very imaginative ways to do everything even to kill each other.
Although every time the word is mentioned it reminds me of the Science Fiction series Babylon 5(sci-fi fans should watch this series) the use is used by the telepaths who view their superiority to an extent that if a mundane dies as collateral oh well its just another of the ordinary that can easily be replaced. This may be random however it does make a statement about those that view themselves as superior and where that thinking can lead. We have many historic examples of this as well.
Every person whether romantically drawn to the notion of being an otherworldly creature or not is capable of "psychic phenomena". Some people have to work a little harder at it than others. Just like some people produce a pheromone that entices both genders and regardless of nationality.
Of course some people are just full of nonsense.
Well here is a topic I've been searching for.
1. Telekinetic
2. Mind Reading
3. Sight in Darkness
there are more but it's a lot to type out but there's a few for starters.
Medrick,Im wondering if you have ever actually met someone who claims to do this,and more importantly,have you seen it?
I would like to join Oceanne in her question and in addition ask what it is that would make these properties unique to a person who claims vampirism.
The only people who truly understand what real vampirism is and is not are real vampyres. Any REAL vampyre may come out just far enough to tell you who they are and may even what that belief is... but showing someone else "the what, how, and why" of true vampirism is in an open forum of any kind especially for scientific testing is never going to happen. Even when extrordinary people are tested and the results are jaw dropping no one excepts the findings. They always what to do a dozen more tests so they can disprove the original findings. This has more to do with the scientic communities presevation of it's own beliefs that discovering the truth. As a result the only thing you will find are wanta be pretenders looking for some way to feel special.
I do not believe that a person who actually was a vampire would feel the need to prove their existence. It would be pointless because they would be met with derision and endless questions which would beg more and more proof and finally result in the simple answer from the individual,
"I know what I am because 'I do and I see and I am'."
Of course we have seen how claims of experience and hearsay are taken.
I feel quite sure that the people in this forum feel that they are extraordinary and I am quite sure that they are correct. Every individual on the planet is extraordinary in some way but vampires?
I have had friends with rare blood disorders that made the sun dangerous to them and in fact my skin is quite sensitive to UV light but I don't think that a person with UV sensitive skin is a vampire.
I can see very well in the dark. I can even distinguish one of my cats from the other in the dark and I have many cats. This does not make me a vampire.
Even the fact that my eyes turn the color of Mahogany when I get angry does not make me a vampire.
I could go on and on. Most people are a little psychic whether they want to believe it or not. It is left over survival instinct.
The real question is, to an actual vampire would belief matter?
Doing experimentation for the sake of being able to say there is proof is costly. As far as calling someone a mundane, I will put it this way, any large group of people who come together with similar beliefs usually develop what I call buzz words. Mundane is not the only word some use. I have seen nil, mundane, normal, human and all of those things to distinguish a difference. There are names for many things within the community and originally so they could talk together if out and about without others knowing what they meant. I don't really care to be truthful because they are just words. Like vampire is just a word and I have seen studies done by several people and the conclusions do not come out the same, some taking many years to complete. Some I somewhat agree with and others not even remotely because they tend to, in the end, be interpretations or extrapolations of the meaning of language. I merely keep an open mind in most cases because quite honestly, I don't think it is that important except possibly on an academic level that will most often not be accepted.
Yes there are people who can manipulate energy and nowadays some call them psions. They don't need the energy but use it in other ways for healing, and some for magickal purposes. Others do that as well. It boils down to splitting hairs really. I have seen kirlian pictures of energy exchanges and others that happen with psychics as well. They are out there but why should a group of people have to prove anything? Can anyone prove there is a "God." A single one that exists over all the others people have believed in? The answer is no and it falls under beliefs. So does much of what the vampire community believes. Is it hurting anyone that a very large group of people of all ages and walks of life use the word vampire as a label to describe the difference they feel from what we describe as human? One particular group claims two genes define this and I did at one time know what they were but I wasn't going to run out and see if I had them. I don't feel one has to prove anything to anyone else.
Vampirics don't think of themselves as a cult, although there are organizations that could be labeled as such. There is a difference and there are warnings within their ranks. Unfortunately, it is difficult to separate the historical, fictional and pop culture influences that impact what people think of vampirics. They have even thought of dropping the word altogether but at this point the majority refuse to do so due to pressure of people who think they are in the know or actually know nothing about it and make judgments. I am wondering why it is such a controversy? Why people need to quantify, dissect and basically call others beliefs lunacy. One has to remember that being a Goth does not make one a vampiric and vice versa. These people generally are drawn to the black clothing, etc and are intertwined in the vampire community along with fetishers. Some are all three. Because of movies the idea of vampires is hot now and the community has gotten sucked into some of the bad publicity. They have nothing to do with what you see in movies or flying, changing into bats, wolves or the like. I had an online friend that asked me first thing if I could fly or change into a bat and you wonder why people speak out? Unfortunately the shows you do see have been cut in such a way to make people look silly and in some cases those that reply to calls for tv shows are NOT part of the community at all but people who like the idea of vampirism from movies or books. The media doesn't care. So they profess all these crazy abilities that no one in the community would speak of in the same way. People get mad and come out but the focus is going the other way now and the idea is not speaking out often except by those who are already known. I can tell you if our abilities were that honed there would be a lot of things done differently. It's like playing the piano, some are better at it than others and some are gifted.
Severus: Any REAL vampyre may come out just far enough to tell you who they are and may even what that belief is... but showing someone else "the what, how, and why" of true vampirism is in an open forum of any kind especially for scientific testing is never going to happen.
If I understood you correctly, it seems you are saying that real vampires have nothing more to show for their claims than... talk. If so, how could anyone possibly tell the difference between a real vampire and any run-of-the-mill con artist masquerading as such?
Either actions do indeed speak louder than words and talk truly is cheap... or else everything spoken and claimed and believed is to be regarded as "REAL" and accepted without question. And I hope that is not what you are arguing. I know that I, for one at least, could never accept such a view. To do so would, frankly, leave me at the mercy of any charlatan out there capable of using words alone to create or use belief in convincing others thereby.
As Dr. Carl Sagan stated so eloquently and correctly: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." And evidence, true empirical evidence, requires scientific testing.
As for why a "true vampire" might seek scientific testing... I could provide you several good reasons, none of which have Thing One to do with convincing the Public at large or to reveal himself to the world as such. However, I shall limit the following to those reasons I know best.
Reason One: When history is studied, it becomes glaringly apparent that while originally highly esteemed and even "worshipped" (Russian Primary Chronicle, pre-10th Century CE) for centuries if not millennia, yet by at least the beginning of the 18th Century, Vampires became victims of a deliberate, well-funded and widespread campaign of vilification as blood-drinking revenants. Despite this, slaughters of entire families and even villages are reported throughout Central and Eastern Europe (obviously, these villages filled with hardworking families were not revenants risen from the grave). From that time forward, those called "vampires" (for whatever actual traits they possessed that were twisted and perverted into the lies told about them as blood-drinking ghouls) were hunted down and slaughtered as many as could be found.
Thus... by Today's time, most if not all of the Bloodline who survived have been scattered across the world and, thus, likely not to know who they are after so many generations. And therefore, it is highly likely that those who are real Vampires among us (raised outside any community of their own kind... the former knowledge of who they are lost to time, yet their characteristic Uniqueness, their insatiable "hunger" raging within constantly, the satiation of such beyond their ability for the more they truly "feed," the hungrier they are for more), such would eventually be desperate to understand themselves so as to come to terms with themselves and with the ... less "hungry"... society around them.
Reason Two: After first studying as much as possible the previous research on the peripheries of the subject at hand and discoverying that not only is there no previous mention of any such "hunger" ever documented before but that, in fact, the very idea of such "hunger" has been scientifically deemed "physiologically impossible," the Subject in question seeks answers through direct contact with tthe scientific community. For his efforts, he finds himself met with derision and scorn by the highly degreed "professionals" in this field of scientific study and then branded a "braggart and a liar" for daring to ask questions and seek answers. Thus, this impels him to defend his reputation and his truthfulness through unimpeachable scientific documentation of his "physiologically impossible" ... "hunger."
Reason Three: It is his hope that, once actually validated through scientific study, this capacity, this "hunger," might no longer be considered Humanly impossible. That with that realization (just as with the realization in 1947 that the "Sound Barrier" was also not impossible to break and that has revolutionized our world), further research might ultimately make such possible for all so that all might benefit from the equally unlimited capacities such opens up emotionally and spiritually within.
I could bore you with many additional reasons why a real "vampire" might seek scientific documentation, such as to effectively "declaw" the outrageous lies and vilifications told about this Angelic Bloodline for now millennia and so as to additionally perhaps reveal the Ancient Brotherhood behind these lies to the world through such scientific revelations regarding the truth of the real "Dark Gift" and why this Brotherhood has been so scared to death by this wonderful Boon to Humankind, and to reveal to all what their true motives have always been.
However, the most important statement I will make here is simply this:
First and foremost: Only a "REAL Vampyre" knows his motivations, not you or anyone else. Only a real Vampire knows himself, the society in which he lives, the forces out there rallied and watching against him, and the outcome for him if he cannot find a way to relate to both of the latter.
However, if a real Vampire were to choose to openly reveal himself it would not be for vainglory, not for public adulation or media attention, not for money, not for fame nor even to help him further express his Dark Git with others; it would instead be out of deep necessity and for the benefit of the Bloodline, as a whole, and/or for the World and Humankind, at large.
- Upir'
My current theory regarding the gene. It is something that may or may not awaken, so humans could have the gene and go through life with out it activating. It could activate as soon as someone hits puberty, also. Its probably a common gene, but certain triggers aren't set off in most of its carriers. Certain events would trigger the gene, and I would also assume that there would a window of opportunity, and outside of that window, it would not activate.
Dear Severus... please know that in my earlier entry, when I used the word "you," I was not intending to single you out; it was meant in the general sense. I have always enjoyed your posts and remarks, and while it might seem I was taking marked exception to your post, it was only to that quoted section that I wished to address... and that more for clarification of such than out-and-out objection to same.
Is this gene a theory of your creation or is it an actual scientific theory? If it is an actual scientific theory then please, if you would, provide the links required for all to view this information.
Its my theory, I believe I stated it too. I believe I stated it as "My current theory on the gene is..."
What scientific evidence do you have to support your theory?
On what basis is it made?
No published scientific evidence, just personal observations and what I hear. I use these to form a theory, and theory in and of itself means that it is not a definite answer to the question it tries to answer, like the Big Bang Theory. While it may be widely accepted, it is only a theory because it is not a definite answer to the question.
No worries Upir... I know you well enough to understand you meaning.
To clarify my entry and go deeper into it the view point I was to share with the group is that science is often treated as an absolute. The opinion that once a fact is proven that fact is forever truth when in truth the "science" of what we know and understand about everything around us is constantly changing. What is scientific fact today is often debunked as junk tomorrow.
In the past the "abilities" and bounds of what people can do has been tested and challenged over and over again and the results have always ended with one common outcome. That which has no foreseeable cause should be approached with the idea of trying to debunk it and dis prove it. This default approach causes disbelief from the start. The Ideology of that which has no answer or cant be debunked must some how be false causes other to doubt things for no other reason that that guy said it was untrue. People are just as easily lead astray by this kind of thinking as they are by con artists. Which in turn cause people like me to take a distrustful default approach as well.
I will close my remakes by saying that the modern version of vampirism as viewed by the blood craving undead is nothing more than literary works written within the last few centuries. "Real" vampirism is nothing of the sort and it is why so many have lost their way in the pursuit of truth regarding vampyres.
The vampyre is not a church or religious right of passage for any group or individual. Vampirism is not a disease or any other form of infection, nor is it a condition of biology, such as a breed or bloodline of human genetics.
Vampirism is a state of consciousness. In fact a state of evolved consciousness, it is about the Spirit within.
Since most individuals are willing to acknowledge spirituality but stop short of the existence of their soul except proof of it scientifically forces one to either except of deny their own belief system... Since the flaw lies within the tester, testing a person for any proof is a pointless endeavor because you will never truly except the findings.
Actually,the vampire gene theory has been around a long time.There is quite a bit about it and you really have to weed through a lot of different writings and stuff ,but the bottom line is,there is nothing conclusive so far.
There are genes that scientists don't know what they are for. Maybe its one of them?
I think that the important think to note when considering whether vampires have special abilities is that it's very dependent on the soul theory one follows. If a vampire has the same soul as a human, then no, the abilities themselves would not differ. If there's something actually unique about the vampire, or about certain subspecies of vampires insofar as either the body or the soul are concerned, then yes, they would be.
I feel that the differences in abilities between vampires as a soul class and non-vampires or this-world vampires really depends on the type of energy needed for the practice. Although parlour tricks and magic as we know it here should not differ greatly, I believe there are types of magic that are fundamentally used either exclusively or differently by those who can feed. For example, I've never met someone who could not feed and who could read energy code...
My opinions on this matter, however, are ones that are not necessarily held with any commonality within the community.
"I believe there are types of magic that are fundamentally used either exclusively or differently by those who can feed."
Interesting,and I do understand your point.However,I know of those who do not "feed" and manipulate said majick and energy very nicely.
"For example, I've never met someone who could not feed and who could read energy code... "
I have.
I do have Dej Vu sometimes but not often anymore kinda odd when it happens though.
Somehow I think we've heard this here before. Guess I'm having deja vu, too. ;)
Well, I have premonitions, I can dream walk, or how ever you might put that, I don't have the hang of it just yet though. I can "communicate" I guess you could say, with spirits, though the only thing I've managed to attract are demons, :/ So I have to block them out, it all hit me at one time, and it scares me sometimes, I've been trying to find SOMEONE, who could explain it to me, there is a lot that is going on, and there's only so much I can do...
I'm not even sure if this is an ability but I have sensations about certain things. People places, things that brink back memories. Its been around since my mom had the divorce. I've. Also been able to become very sensitive to other peoples emotions. I pick up on how they feel.
Yes,Celest,it is called empathy.it isnt an exclusive vampire ability,but in fact,something we all normally begin to develop as children.Its a survival mechanism and we as social beings,continue to develop this over the course of our lives.
This is an ability that absolutly anyone can have.... it has nothing to do with a vampyre. In fact... I know of no special abilitys that are tied to vampyres in general... as normal people can posses all the unique characteristics that one may find in a vampyre.
when you distinguish vampyre for vampire I think it requires an exp[laination of the differences.
There is no difference between vampire or vampyre, any claimed differences are just made up.
Vampyre is akin to majick...fictionalized words (or borrowed spellings) to make them seem more traditional or mystical. A vampyre is a vampire.
Actually the spelling of the term as "Vampyre" is the correct Romanian spelling of the word.
Vampire with an "i" is a spelling that was rarely used but gained popularity with the release of Dracula. Bram Stoker's book used the Vampire spelling only because of the vast tension regarding immigrants in London at the turn of the century. The books publishers wanted a less ethnic spelling and the book was actual held up from release for two years so it could be reprinted. That is the reason most people in the community use the older spelling as to distinguish themselves from the literary and now modern Hollywood versions.
The Romanian spelling of Vampire is: Vampir. The term is pronounced: "vom-peer".
This can be easily verified by simply going to any online Romanian dictionary, entering the English word "vampire" and reading the result.