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IS THE BIBLE TRUE? WHAT DO U THINK?

What do you mean by true?

Is it the unadulterated Word of God?

Does it contain many factual places, peoples and events?

Are there some truths (as a fact) and some none truths (as not fact)?

Is it the best source for ethics and morality?

"True" can have any number of meanings in a book as complicated as the Bible.

Anyone who claims the Bible is totally false is a fool and pushing nothing but an agenda. Anyone who claims the Bible is error proof as it stands in modern translations is likewise lacking a good logical and historical foundation.

Also, what do you mean by "Bible"? The King James, Catholic, translations from 600 AD, or 2010, or the original texts in their original languages without translation to English? Or the works of those mentioned in the current Bible but prior to the canonized version?
In other words, which Bible are you talking about?

Could be the satanic bible...

do u believe there is a God And A Jesus Christ will the world end as the holy bible says so?

What others think is irrelevant. Faith is a personal choice. You should decide for yourself what to believe.

I don't want to say it's true or not.. But, to me it isn't.
There are people who believe it is. It's rather personal, but I know for myself that it is a work of fiction.

Wow..interesting topic. I do know it will create an enormous discussion. The Bible is just a book, which, In According to many, was inspired by the voice of God. If you read it, you will understand what you want to understand from it. But, If you go to an Organized church, they will tell you what they want you to hear. In today society, the Bible is used to manipulate the masses in believing, that if you don't follow it...AHHH...Hell will be waiting for you. While, in the contrary, the Bible IS NOT a highway to hell. To believe in it, is up to the reader and the faith which the person was brought up.

Fiction. Just like the Koran. Fiction. Some may be true just like all the other novels where people eat and drink and love and hate, which are all true.

What a person believes or doesn't believe should be a distinction based on content.
How ever I find that most times whether or not the Bible, the Koran or any other holly book is seen as being false or true really comes down to whether or not the message they give resonates with you on a personal level.

After all faith is about choosing to believe.

A very, "eggshell" thread here.. tread lightly.

I agree with those posters who have declared the, "personal choice" passive approach when it comes to theological beliefs.

The straight out question, "Do you believe in God and Jesus" might make people think that you are trying to force your belief of Judeo-Christianity down their throats.

In truth and by fact, the Bible is a composition comprised of many different authors throughout the course of several Decades to Centuries. Each author has their place in the book, which is dubbed in some cases as a history book, while in other cases is seen as a, "book of faith" for certain invaluable lessons that can be perceived within its contents. In some eyes that are non-theological, it can be taken as a book of philosophical reading... once the stories are made sense of and meditated on.

Too each their own...

~Voidweaver~, is that "As Above, So Below" a documentary based on the physics of Universal Wisdom?

If it is, it has no context relating to whether the bible is, "true" or not in the nature of being a book and not a religiously valued reference.

Unless this thread turns its head into that direction, but as I stated earlier... tread lightly here.

This is a very opionated question. Here is my take on it.

The bible has been translated and rehashed by so many different people that it is based in truth, but is not necessarily 100% true. As I have stated before, the truth is told by the conqueres, and it is their version of the truth. Truth has 3 sides. You version, my version, and what really happened. There are parts of the bible that have been omitted over time due to it not meeting the current regiems standards and beliefs. Look at the many versions of christianity and tell me that the bible is 100% true. Iterpretation of the word is the key.

In my opinion is has some valid point and a good historical time line, but it is not 100% true by any means, there are too many different versions of it.

Well, this subject causes riots on a daily basis. There are thousands of religons out there. Some of them use the bible, so of course those religons would believe that it is true. But there are still those other thousands of religons that don't believe in the bible. What I know is that the bible has been changed so many times, that of course some of it is no longer true. And some of it has been modified to where people nowadays think of it as something other than what it really means. For example, in the bible the word "feet" really means "genitals". What the normal person would think is that feet actually meant feet. Of course in some cases they actually meant feet, but again, it's hard to know because it has been changed so much.

I'd hate to be the bearer of bad news....... but yes..... It is true.

yes its true but like the first respons, some things can get lost in translation and thats why the bible was not ment to be translated it was suppose to be as is but when people broke off into different forms of religon all chirstian i am taking here. the bible started comeing out in many different translations . some things can get very confused when you try to make them english . some things you just cant make english that is why i believe the bible only has what it has in it . i believe it is truely the word of God yes. but also so many christians make or take things out of context . or they try and translate it themself and this is dead wrong it is what it is . history in the making . if you read hebrew then you will see almost all of the bible word for word is true . but hebrew left things out too to fit its own history and they dont like the way it was written they take things out . this is not done in the bible . also when reading a version of the bible you have to read only thos out of the greek becasue thos are the true words of the Jesus. others at that time did not like Him at all. and still dont . i believe if he were to come back as a man people would once again try to have HIm hung .the bible even talks about Jeusus as the Son of God. and that becasue of Jesus thos that believe in HIm are also Sons . So thos who try to please God by being good sorry not going to happen . Now as for the jews it does and i do believe they are saved by law but Gods not Sin . For there are thos that believe in Jesus . And are saved . Some try and even say that none of it happened . and want to rewrite history . cant is fact. the only thing that gets to me about the bible is there are so many different types witch one is right well like someone said that is a personal matter and i will not say any are wrong but i would guess some might be harder to understand .

Ah interesting topic. Well, as stated, the answer is that it is all your opinion as to whether it is the truth. In my opinion the bible was written, at least in part, as a series of tales to lead you down a good moral path. Some of the tales may be true, but translation can make things a bit messy.
Most of the tales are also so general as to apply to at least some people on a personal level. So you should make your own choice on whether to think of it as a book of morals, or the true word of God.

~Deeds~ you are using a supposition, try again. Instead of using your own opinion based on speculation, at least add a bit of credibility such as a link of merit to sustantiate your claim instead of trying to be the, "be all end all" type of person.

there is alot of differnt bibled and its been continually edited.the duay rheims bible is three times as thick and the so called good news bible.at least.luthor cut out two whole chapters as they contained something he dissagreed with.yes i do believe it.

I think the bible is concocted of a bunch of different stories. I personally do not believe it is true. I believe it is a work of some facts and a whole lot of fiction. Not to offend anyone, but this thread is an opinion thread, and this is my opinion.

yes well its all written in history books the bible has been proven over and over by science. but the thing is can you prove or disprove the bible is the word of God. No you can not so it is very personal and should be a personal chooice not what science says or what you can prove by other things . Again God gave us all personalities and we have a right to choose what we want but one answer always has to be right and the other be wrong there is no inbtween like some would have you believe like just being good is what God wants for you . Its all up to the person and thats the way it should be if someone tries to tell you that you are wrong dont try to prove them wrong or you will have proved their case for them. I know its hard not to respond to a attack on ones fath but if you deffend your fath then that just shows how week your fath is. for fath is just believeing in something that you cant see with your eyes and you cant prove it or should not have to prove it becasue then it is not fath.

No, but it's based off of bits of "truth" from paganism before it.

Research.

For me, the Holy Bible is what it is.

I never listen to opinions about the book from people who have never read the book.

To my understanding most religeons are like Faery Tales we tell our children because there not old enough for the truth. However, embedded in these stories are Elements of great truth and uderstanding. So when the right time comes for you to awaken the path is set.

to the person who said the bible is based on paganism my brother in law is pagan and he would say you are nuts . only thing that is true about that is that people thought that was true. the bible is history and has been proven as such its just people cant take the truth they get mad at it so they start to make up lies like the romans did about Jesus riseing from the dead . becasue if he did and they did not loss there heads becasue they feel asleep at there posts . it is writen that he never rose . some say that he never died that someone else took HIs place on the cross. and that judus never died that someone else was hung on that cross too. thos are the lies that people make up becasue they cant handle the truth . becasue they want to believe the lies . becasue they reather stay in the dark about the matter and never know the truth.
but like i said before its all up to the person and what they want to believe in the end after all is said and done we will all see what is and what is not true. i had rather believe in the fact that we were created then we just were becasue if that were the case we would all believe in the dark arts . and i dont mess with that stuff i know its real i just dont believe its worth anyones time or effort becasue in the end we will all be judged by what we believe or dont believe .

Again, the Bible is a composed history book with relevant parables that were given from prominent men back in that era.

If anything, the Ancient Mystery Schools played a big part of the bible if one reads between the lines. How else do you think Moses used his staff to eat snakes? Some would say it was the power of, "God" that he used because the Bible says that is what happened.

But, what if Moses was a student of those Ancient Mystery Schools and had an actual book?

"For people interested in folk magic. The Sixth and Seventh Books of Moses, arguably one of the most popular magick books ever published, contains two secret apocrypha ascribed to Moses, perhaps pseudepigraphically. The book consists of a collection of texts,which claim to explain the magick Moses used to win the biblical magick contest with the Egyptian priest-magicians, part the Red Sea, and perform other miraculous feats. It includes instruction in the form of invocations, magick words, and seals for calling upon the angels to affect worldly ends, from the sublime (calling down a plague of locusts and frogs upon your enemy) to the mundane (getting more money). Many manuscripts and printed pamphlet versions circulated in Germany in the 1800s, and an English translation by Johann Scheible first appeared in New York in 1880 that had not been corrected or re-edited until now. In creating this restored, corrected edition, Joseph Peterson drew on Scheible's final edition of the text and his original sources. It will be of great interest to those who have suffered through prior editions and anyone looking for a traditional source of Western magick. * Used in various modern traditions of American folk magick, from Pennsylvania Dutch hexmeisters and contemporary eclectic magicians, to voodoo practioners and African American root workers. * Updated or fresh translations from original German, Latin, and Hebrew sources and restoration of censored or left out passages in earlier editions and 35 pages of text never before translated. * Describes the biblical magick ascribed to Moses and its application. * Extensively illustrated with over 100 magical seals, signs, and sigils."

Reference found: here

Thus, the Bible is not just a teaching device and a history book, and it can and has been taken out of context from beginning to end. Specifically since the Apocrypha is absent from it. Books like: Mary, Jesus, Moses and a few others...

The Council of Necaea knew exactly what they were doing, yeah.

I'm not trying to offend in any way but I have to state for the record that I'm not entirely certain that the Bible can be call truth, or historical fact as some folks in this thread have posted. This is not a personal attack just a point of view so bare with me as I reason this out.

The bible is made up of several parts including large parts like Genesis, the book of Revelation, and the Gospels.

Genesis -or- The big Bang
Adam and Eve -or- Darwinism

Both of them theories on the "who what and where" of our beginning... Theory is not fact and either way their is no measurable way to corroborate them.

By definition the book of Revelation is Biblical Prophecy.

As for the Gospels... well there's a reason it's titled "the gospel according to Luke" "according to Matthew". The reason is because the are the eye witness account of the events as they remember them. Jesus Christ left know written story or instructions (unless you count the Gospel of Thomas) so all you have is the word of the disciples. Not saying that they were lying but eye witness testimony most times doesn't even hold true in modern courts of law much less a 2000 year old account of the facts.

Just a perspective that should be factored in, in my own opinion.

Respected, Severus.

While I state that the Bible could be seen as a history book, it can be stated as an out of context manuscript as well as I noted earlier.

No one know's who the author(s) of the Bible were since it has might just be the oldest book in the word, even as newer versions come out, it is the most circulated if not the oldest in circulation.

A few who research will find that the King James version of the Bible was rewritten by Sir Francis Bacon:

Reference can be found: here

In referencing this, one could surmise that the King James version is one of many different rewritten versions of the Bible, so there is no real way to come to any conclusion as to who wrote the first manuscript of the Bible's contents. Just that it was formed from a few different authors, or one author that was much like being the Jacques Cousteau of his day, travelling the world to compile information from several different people.

But, since we have no valid proof about the Bibles specific age, it remains on of the most unanswered questions in the history of human-kind.

And so, the Bible will more than likely remain as one of the most convoluted books in the history of the world. Too many versions change the scope and unless the books put back in... making it even more convoluted, we may never know what it's significant meaning is ... other than being based off of the, "faith" system in theological context.

I skipped all the comments before my post but in my opinion if any of it is true either the events or the words are but both cannot I am more inclined to lean towards the events being true and the words as propaganda.

if i want to aske god a question i open my douay rheims up at random and put my finger in it and i get an asnwear.its often been very accurate and told me of my own future.works better than a tarot deck

I agree with some above that is a personal choice that everyone has to make on there own. I personally think there is some truth in a lot of the religious literature that is out there and I mean all religions not just one, but if I accepted it as the whole truth I cant necessarily say.
I have my own beliefs.
A lot of beliefs are passed down through generations, and interpreted as sees fit.
Most can be interpreted to what ever fits your needs, meaning whatever you want to believe.
Look at the Mayans....they created a calendar saying or I should say interpreted that the world will end winter solstice 2012.
So do we all die in 6 months???
The only true honest answer is no one knows until the day they die what really happens. Until then you just have your own knowledge and what you believe.
There really anything we can do about it unfortunately. If the world ends or I die tomorrow I just hope it isn't too painful and I go quickly.
:-)

Yes you choose either to believe or not its upto we have free will to do so. I believe in it whole heartly

but there are people out there that will take it and twist it to their own ends to justify hatred and bigotry and killing like in the crusades

but for a person its upto them to decide to believe or not its that simple

SS,

The actual King James version of the Bible was translated from the Classical Hebrew account.
You are correct that we do not know all of the specific authors of The Old Testament, but you really don't need to know because the Bible it self tells you how it came to be.

Of course this requires that you actually read it first but through out the Bible it states clearly that the scriptures, laws, and prophecies of the Holly Bible came into being from the "word of God." Meaning God works threw man, it was divine intervention and revelation. Just as he did with Moses telling him to lead the people from Egypt and with the construction of Noah's Ark.
So the Authors of each individual story found within the Bible's Old Testament were pend by man via God's instruction to do so.

Today if you made the statement "God spoke to me and told me to write this" you'd never be given a chance to finish your statement.
Either way... not (in my opinion) strong enough evidence to be called "FACT."

But then again that's why when people speak about religion it's referred to as "their Faith."

very very good point and i guess that sumes it all up its faith not fact . faith can not be proven nor can it be disproven unless you are going to tell them not to believe it is not and then you are judging that persons faith. one thing tho the king james bible could not be baised on hebrew becasue he himself was a cathlic and is of all four hebrew , aramaic and greek text. this is becasue the deciples them self were not all hebrew paul , and tomas were greek and not well studyed . they knew some hebrew becasue they found it nacary to talk it and write it sometimes but pauls main target was greek and thos how were not hebrew at all. A faith again comes from things not just not seen but something that can only be provid by death . and am not talking about the undead here am talking thos that have gone on to the other side. But again the king james was mostly greek becasue it was my guess the easyest to translate . but also becasue of the fact that the others dont have meanings when put to english . or not same meaning so its got to be very thin water if your going to say hebrew becasue they dont even believe that Jesus was the son of God well not all . some do . but for the most they believe Him to be just a Great man of God who happened to be a profit.

~Severus~, respect...

I have read the bible through and through, yeah. I had to if I was going to receive my, "calling" through the Church of Latter Day Saints back when I was 16. It was (not sure if it still is) a rule that one needs to pray on each verse of the Bible throughout a years time (it takes a person a year to read and understand the bible in that amount of time if it correctly done by method).

I went on Missionary work and had become an Elder within the Church shortly after entering the Malkizedek Priesthood.

Thus is why I come to this thread wiht my personal knowledge as associated with the context of the name: "Bible" and the question relating to the thread in general.

But again, it is up to each person to understand the Bible for themselves and through their own method(s).

Im thinking that the bible is pretty much based on truths,but , as any story man ever tells, has many embelishments.
But all in all,in spite of the metaphors,or embelishments,I think it abosolutely has merit.

Eh, I skipped a lot of the commentary but I will add my own two cents to this thread:

I believe that is it neither true or false.

I think it's a book that was written with lessons and fables to teach people a certain way to live life according to the 'authors' of each section. Could some of the events actually have happened? Who knows. There isn't sufficient evidence to either credit or discredit it completely. Is it based solely on one particular religion?

No, it is not.

If you were to actually look at the holidays and rituals (or what ever you want to call them- practices, prayers, celebrations, etc) you'll notice a common thread, a common topic, as well as very similar traditions and 'Saints' as other religions.

To say that Christianity (Catholicism, Baptist, Pentecostal, Episcopalian, Paganism, Satanism, Jewish, etc) is a singular religion is also foolish, in my honest opinion. There are far too many things that over lap in quite a few different religions, let alone saying at one point in time they all over lapse at some point, is true. There are different names for things, different colors, but ultimately they end up meaning the same thing.

I think the Bible, per say, is merely a learning tool created to help people who can not set a sturdy or 'righteous' path on their own. It's like any book you get in school that teaches you lessons you need to learn in life: It's a spiritual guidance book that is meant to teach you should you wish to open it and learn from it. I do not think it is particularly meant to base your entire life off of it's words, but it's there to fall back on and learn from the lessons/fables/myths/stories/scriptures found within it.

That's my two cents worth.

TittySprinkles, the prayers, holidays etc have nothing to do with the Bible. They were created by specific groups and not mentioned in scripture.

Oceann said it best I think.

I assume you mean xian bible

I think it's more of a fairy tale where what it says doesn't literally mean one thing but something else

The Bible was Plagerized.
How do they explain the similarities with other older pagan religions from before the writing of the bible.check out the similarities between jesus christ and the egyptian sun god "horus"
HORUS -Ancient Egypt-3000 bc
born- Dec 25 to a virgin (Isis mary)
his birth was accompanied by a star in the east, and was worshiped by three kings
at 30 he was baptized, could heal the sick and walk on water.
there are other similarities, which where inscribed 3500 years ago and found in luxor, egypt, which also has the virgin birth. this also follows other gods in terms of a birth sequence, including:
attis -greece 1200bc
Krishna - India 900 bc
dionysis - greece 500 bc
mithra -persia 500 bc

I do believe the bible is true, I mean yea they probably didn't have like paper like today but at least it was something. And I don't believe it was made up because just how in detail it is and how it just explains events and such.. but that's just me.

What i believe for the end of the world i dont think it will happen. Unless we really really mess itup badly.

It's not that the Bible itself is agplurized, Dab. it is that no one knows what the date the Bible was actually first created. It is the fact that religion was plagurized by certain theological sects. I won't name the groups.

Your argument is valid, I give you that. but where is the proof that the concepts of the Bible weren't taken from specific era where those God's or Demi-Gods weren't entitled different names under different cultural structures?

Each culture had and still has it's own name for one God figure. So there is no way to say if the Bible was or was not plagurized because of the different cultural specifics.

It holds some truth, or ways to find truths. There are far older writings though.

The bible is many books and letters written by various authors that never intended for their writings to be bound together as a single book. Through out the ages man has used these writings to control the weak minded with their liberal interpretations of their understand or perversion of the writings.

I believe that the Bible is another epic poem. Just like The odyessy from Homer. I believe that long ago a man drank catus juice and had a trip out and wrote a book about Jesus and his disiples. but thats my opinion.

As an historian I believe that the Bible is a a highly over embellished history book with possibly some factual events interwoven into it such as the great flood, the exodus etc as the is some archeological evidence backing these sories up although not from a worldwide prospective (mostly middle eastern), which would make sence given the locations of most of the stories. You should be able to goggle it if you want an intersting read:)

Of course you have to take into the account that the Bible as we know it today is a very edited edition as during the 4th century a selection of 'holy men' decided that certain 'books' had to be removed from the bible to give Christ the 'holier than thou' persona so sections such as the book of Judas was removed.

As are other books that aren't part of the Biblical Apocrypha. Which will remain undisclosed.

Of course, such as the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Mary, the Gospel of Peter etc

http://threeminuteapologetics.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/why-do-catholics-have-7-extra-books-in.html HERE

Below is a website with some insightful facts regarding the gospel of Judas and the ‘editing’ the established church has done over the years as well as a brief rundown on Gnosticism. Sorry I don't know how to create links.

http://www.evidenceandanswers.org/articles/Gospelof%20Judasarticle.pdf HERE



Links added ~ billy

~TwistedWhisper~ I was referring to the lesser known books that were removed aside from Thomas, Mary, etc.

Oh, sorry. What books are they if I may ask? Curious minds want to know:)

i wouldnt be here if i believed the bible

Hi Severus,

Thanks for the information. SS messaged me with similar info along with a good source to find out more:) I knew that in the early 4th century the bible as we know had undergone some serous 'editing' but I never would have guessed how much.

Kind of reminds me of 'Alice' and wondering how deep the rabbit hole really goes...

I believe in all Gods even the biblical one. I also believe that the God from the bible (I call him Jehova) was a very, very jealous God, and wanted more attention than the other Gods. So he influenced a whole bunch of people to write the bible, with him basically at the center of it. It says in the bible "There shall be no other God before me" not that there wasn't other gods. I'm not completely sure if I typed that correctly. I have concluded that all religions, paths ect. have predicted the end of mankind in some way shape or form. So from that, I believe that the end is inevitable, but choosing the way to get there is up to you.

The books of the Old Testament were primarily written during the exilic and, particularly, the post-exilic periods (ca. 600 BCE) while the Jews were either in Babylon and then following their return to Canaan. Thus, the only history in such books that can be somewhat relied upon as accurate to any real extent is only that written from that point on. Anything prior was written with myth-building and nation-building in mind. And all of the books certainly are biased and skewed to reflect their own religious world view. Thus...the Bible does contain factual historical elements. But, one must use great discernment when studying the Bible if one wishes to separate historical fact from religious propaganda. And even then, one must be aware that even when such facts are encountered, they are presented not objectively but instead heavily colored and skewed to suit the agenda and bias of its deeply religious and nationalistic authors.