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a very touchy subject. my feeling is i like to see what i give stay in the area i live in, for every place has a form of poverty, what i don't like to see is people cheating the system and taking things away from people who really need it.

Yes I agree with you Outgoing. You know there is enough wealth in the world that everyone could live like kings. But thanks to greedy corrupt governments and people I doubt that will ever happen. What a sad world it is we live in when the value of the dollar means more than the value of life :(

sad but true,

poverty is a tool of the system masters to maintain the staus quo of ready human 'resource' to continue feeding the bank accounts of the fat bastards at the top.

yes it is a tool for some, and we the people are the only ones who can change that

true, its not all intentional, a lot of it is down to bad management of local taxes, poor quality parenting and a shitty education system (globally)...

there is a good point.. we put these people in power only we can change that

hmm..yes, quite correct, but have you ever tried getting nominated for local elections?

not sure how your systems work over yonder, but in the UK, you need to have respectable credentials, be nominated and seconded and have your skeletons hidden so far back in the closet, it might as well be a tomb...and thats just for local councils...getting to be an MP is like running up a sand dune...

even then, I am of the opinion that the closer you get to the position of authority and 'power' or influencing of the decision making processes, the more agendas that have to be considered and adjusted for, which would eventually result in the eroding of whatever good intentions one had, in the face of practicality and even political survival...

I know nothing about poverty... I have never known hunger, I know about my parents not been able to afford to buy me clothing with Labels, but that drove me to work to earn my own money.... I also have faith in the australian social security system, and it pee's me off to hear about the people who cheat the system, but then I wonder did anyone become sucessful by playing by all the rules... what examples are set when to suceed you need to break the rules that keep everyone else safe

show me someone, who doesn't have something they wish to hide..some are just better at hiding it..
here in the us its a bit easyier but we have a check and balance system that needs to be updated. like the electorial collage..which are the ones who really elect the pres...

hmm...thats another bit about US politics I never understood...how can the majority vote be effectively nullified by a semi-opaque 'college' vote?

Have to agree with you on this point. I'm not greedy. All I want is enough to be comfortable. Anything beyond that I'm more than happy to share with those less fortunate.

the point is it no longer works. 200 years ago yes. now there are to many people.see the delgates of the collage are to vote for they way there area votes but the money talks..this is why they want people in the hole

just think if everyone had the same of everything..what a wonderful world it would be

...ah...so the delegates go to conventions where they are lobbied and cajoled by the people with the most influence and money...

more or less, even though they are to vote for the people. this is why we have such poverty and other problems..we have gotten away from the system that use to work

I'm a firm believer in fix your own country/community first ... but things like the tsunami benifit ... you can see where your donations go.

you are so right lady.....

agreed...I was actually quite proud of my compatriots when the UK public had managed to donate more than their own government, at one point, at least...I still have no idea how much was actually given though...

there was another story of a woman nearby me who chartered a cargo plane, filled it with supplies and flew it out there from the cash in her own pocket....these are the kinds of people that should be MP's...IMO

poverty sucks.
but i agree with the fact that what i give or do should benifet the area i live .
just think of this if everyone in your area gave 1$ a week to a local charity it wouldn't stop poverty but it would help out a lot!!!!
as for the people that take advantage fuck 'em they should by shot it wouldn't happen agian now would it hehe !!!

People are egoists.The rich ones get richer, while the poor become poorer and die of hunger.

There are a lot of people who do charity, but who are the ones who do it really for charity?For example how many famous people you see doing concerts for charity, is it exactly for charity or for them to have more publicity and become richer and more famous?

if you really want to stop poverty help the next person down on there luck. give them a hand up

hahahahaa.... wow...

know this if everyone helped just one person , i truely helped one person and or family there would be no poverty

Well I think that before we can start making a difference we (general term) need to get rid of our consumption based mentality (the whole keeping up with the Joneses thing.) If we can get past that, you'll be surprised how much of a difference we can make.

sab but is there anything we can do?

er..yes, start to give a shit....

~'you say we can't make a difference, but at least I'm fucking trying!'~

cant really put what i wanna say without getting this thread r.i.ped though it might get that way soon anyway

the amount raised for a cause will never be the amount given, i know there are costs to the effort put in and all but not as much as they take out after its all collected.

shame there has to be poverty but its a sad reality of this world i suppose

nightstalker....it wouldn't get ripped over opinions...just over weak minded flamings...
on that note....if everyone had the same.....what would there be to strive for....I say this as one who grew up with mac an cheese and ichiban noodles being a large part of my expensive diet
I don't like poverty....but I realise that not everyone can succeed...for me to get the job I have...how many other resume's got passed over....?
but I do agree that if every person who were able..... helped just one person....the world would improve by leaps and bounds

what would be wonderful is if this world was leveled and started over again. *snickers*

Poverty is spreading all around the world. I mean the USA has a load of money and instead of giving it to Africa to save innocent children, they spend it on fancy cars and expensive personal objects.

It is pathetic, we should open our eyes and look around, most ppl are aware, most just ignore the poverty and live in riches while ppl are dying

*shows one espact of life
One gains the other looses

that's very considering of you outgoing

yes if everyone had the same there may not be as much to strive for but one thing to allways keep it equal is that not something to strive for...
as far as afirica i feel for them but i feel for the people already in the usa who are no better off then the people in africa.

I agree with everyone in here. There would be no poverty if it wernt for the greedy ass government. All those people in africa and things, that are dying from diseas evreyday, thats all greedy americans fault. Americans are bullies, straight up. All of the USA was stolen, from other people with hope, and we took it all away. I admit we have a lot of power, but we should use it for the better of other people. And maybe if we did this there wouldnt be as many problems in society today....

All humans are full of greed... Some less then others, but all have it... The U.S. alone produces twice the food it uses every year... The food wastes away when it could be given to less fortunet countries... If we would all share, so many problems would be solved... Starvation, mallnitrition, and the buildup of garbage... If people were not as greedy and if there was more equality there would be less violence(because why would people kill for something they have?) and economic problems... This is something that everyone would need to be fully committed to... But this could never happen because those in power tend to fight so as not to give it up...

These are just my opinions...

If you want to avoid poverty yourself... keep your spending BELOW your income. Always. The less you *have* to spend, the more money you can accumulate. OTOH, don't be TOO much of a tighwad - if you have to replace a cheap thing several times a year, spend more money for the more expensive version so it'll last longer.

Just because there may not be money to pass along to someone at/below poverty level doesn't mean other things can't be passed along instead - extra/old clothing, shoes, especially winter gear in areas that get snow, even food you got but won't eat before it spoils (although canned good keep longer.) Even rides to doctor's appointments or to grocery stores to get food can help people.

money is the root of all evil..but your right thers lots of ways to help each other

I agree, but I wish people could be a little less apathetic about the fact that we are all on our way to hell in a handbasket.

http://www.musicvideocodes.com/?song=1604

says it all for me right now...

why do the richer get richer and the poor people get poorer?

Isn't it obvious kabal

True money is the root of all evil.....that's why we shouldn't just give them money, because the poor will thirst for more and more money. They need love and care and food more than money.

This is one subject that I think alot of people do not like to touch on. I must agree with alot of people on this thread. Can't stand it when someone cheats the system to get what they want. Exspecially thoughs that are supervisors of major companies and embessle money thinking only of themselves which leads to alot of people being laid off. But another thought I have is that poverty will always be around. Reason being there will always be greedy individuals outhere no matter what the goverment does about it.

you are so right without it they have no job....its a dog eat dog thing

Mostly politics & religions are the cause of it

yeah cause of wars, we can do nothing to stop them, cause we aren't the ones who command...we are just the ones who have to live with others' choices...

Reason for all this?
need of power,egoism and greed.

I used to live in a mansion as a young child, at that time the politic party my family agreed with lost the election & once returned home to find it all up in flames with all the familys treusures & shit!
Ended up living in a two room house with a toilet in the garden!

My dad found his bus in flames twice, and a lot of time he lost his job for the same reason,so since I come from a working class family I didn't actually expirience poverty,but I didn't have nice things like other children, but we'r not allowed to talk about politics so I'll stop here.

yes greed is the root as well as money

greed is a link to humanity

ok by no means am I a fan of the usa poforeign policy....but in the last 20 years many many BILLIONS of dollars have been given to the third world for aid.....I feel this needs to stop as most of these governments are just using the majority of it to line their pockets and buy guns.....
throwing money at the problem does NOTHING....till the people in those countries rise up to depose the dictators I say suffer.
once they make that call I'd give all the support in the world....but they have to take the initial steps themselves.....it's their homes and families after all

i dont mean to turn this into a political reply....but one thing that is kind of sad is when the government does so little for its people at home yet in other countries will do soo much to help them out. lets take here in the us, we have lots of homeless people and people who can barely live day by day so they resort to criminal activites such as stealing or prostitution to name a few.

then if someone of poverty stricken status is arrested for something like that or even if they were law-bided citizen who got into a fight or made a mistake, courts milk them for their money, expecting them to be able to pay for their own classes and court fees...to top that off pay their bills, food and rent so they have a place to live and food to eat. it is no wonder some people then resort to cheating the system.

where i live there isnt really any help that is provided, no homeless shelter or even temporary place for homeless. it is sad to see we governments turn a blind eye on the poor, the homeless, and the less fortunate in their homeland, yet provide aid to other countries far beyond what the give to programs in their own country.

heh, maybe if US and UK stopped selling arms to corrupt governments, they would stop using aid to buy them and subjigate their own people...oh, but then then, the economies of both those 'countries' would collapse...ahhh...*realisation breaches the horizon*...self perpetuating income disguised as a handout...very clever...lol

thats the point stop giving so much to others and help the ones in your own back yard

im poor!

is there something that we can help you with

i poor too, can i get a loan from a rich vampire raver. he he he

that was not very nice to make light of someone...

ha ha ha ...Kabal

Poverty is not caused by government, religion, terrorists, etc. Poverty can not and will never be eliminated.
Poverty is necessary. It's a sad fact of life.
There is only one major societal design that is capable of eliminating poverty. True communism. Not the socialist form of communism that various countries have used over the years, but true communism, as outlined in Marx's Communist Manifesto. Although even he himself eventually came to realize that his system was flawed, and would never work.

That system is flawed, because it is flawless. It is based around true equality. Everyone gets what they need to survive comfortably. Which is the same for each individual. The problem is, humans are flawed. We cannot live in a flawless utopian society, because there is no system to correct errors. We are not capable of not messing up at least once in awhile. With no system to correct our errors, society would fall into an endless spiral of decay. One of the biggest problems is that people refuse to accept equal payment for what they different levels of contribution to society. This is why surgeons make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, while the people that sell and prepare the food most of us eat on a daily basis barely make enough money to survive on. How many brain surgeons would accept receiving the same amount of payment as a teenager flipping burgers? Would you?

Poverty is a fact of life. I'm not saying we shouldn't try to help those less fortunate. But there will ALWAYS be those less fortunate. And there will always be someone better off. There will always be people at both ends of the scales that we don't believe deserve to be there. But it's all an integral part of the fragile balance of our society.

Well though out TD. I also think Marx was a cunt, as are all philosophers with revolutionary ideas that involve the overthrow of governments (that includes extremist moslems who no longer follow Islam.) Over throwing governments never helps the poor.

I used to think I was poor. Then they told me I wasn't poor, I was needy. Then they told me it was self-defeating to think of myself as needy, I was deprived. Then they told me deprived was a bad image, I was underprivileged. Then they told me underprivileged was overused, I was disadvantaged. I still don't have a dime. But I sure have a great vocabulary.
 — Jules Feiffer

td that is a good opinon but, it still doesn't half to be. it is caused by the rich and government. I was in poverty when growing up so i know both ends of the coin. there is no reason but greed. it doesn't half to be. everyone has a talent they should not be treated any differant than a doctor.for most of there work is done by hit and miss over many years of other doctors.so to say one person is better, no i don't think so we all need each other when it comes down to it

We as a country (USA) is always giving to nations and we have thousands here that are staving. Let’s start here first.

-- Of course poverty can be eliminated . Just nuke the whole frikkin planet and you have no more poor people . --

Aleks I guess we should take them out in the back and shoot them.......Your an ass, may that never happen to you.

yes, what an idea...why not let the starving just starve to death, then there will be no more starving.

Yes, lets keep all that money that goes to humanitarian missions and save our own people.

Yes, lets divide all that money we saved amongst OUR people, those that DESERVE it more than those 'third world' beggars...

does this not smack of national socialism to you?

True .. but a suicidal one . I happen to live around here too ...

Hah .. I meant it literally . As a joke , but literally :) No people at all = no people :)

ok, that last post was way out of line in the keeping of the spirit of this place, but I think the point is clear, we can focus on domestic needs, but our governments and corporations are historically responsible for many of the inequalities and dire situations throught the world, so there is an element of responsibility for to try and fix them.

errr... no people = no poor people :P

lol..sorry, my last post was out of order.

Stabb if you think our government and corporations are historically responsible for many of the inequalities and dire situations through the world I feel you are wrong.

These countries leaders stave there nations because they wish not to spend the money. The fact that drought and famine is a strong part of this, with economics built in to it all could be a good reason too. But hey doesn’t worry the USA will bail these countries out since they are a super power.

We need to bail out our country and spend the money to help the people of the USA. I am not against feeding the world I am against the policies that will not feed us.

Ok DarkAdmin, you are entitled to your opinion of this, but mine is that 'western' colonial empires built into the countries that we are now supporting, a system which does not work for their benefit, in order that the post colonial powers would be able to maintain control over the vast wealth of resources via corporate agreements, which ultimately benefit countries such as the US and western europe.
My best example is de-beers. The Dutch were kicked out of southern africa, but their legacy remains to this day, where the 'old firm' of mining companies still hold all the keys to the diamond mines and in so doing, prevent the south africans and other neighbouring countries from taking control of their own wealth.
Another classic is Anglo-American Gold...they allowed the local powers that be to collapse a mine probably with the people working still in it, because it was cheaper than shutting it down properly, especially where a rival or ordinary people may have re-opened it to try and dig their own gold.
I have struggled to find info on this story and it may be considered hearsay, but I have heard worse stories, so I am inclined to see some truth in it.

But essentially, the crux of my argument is that we may not see and read about direct links between our governments and these countries, but they do exist and they are nefarious indeed.

ROFL Aleks “nuke 'em” that is nothing compared to the unguarded employment of appallingly inappropriate rhetoric about ‘a crusade’ by President Bush following the terrorist outrage of 11-September-2001.

As for DA: one definition of immaturity is an inabilty to grasp that one's birth did not transform the world, and President Bush's call for the birth of a new world order rings a triffle hollow in my ears. American government and corporations are historically responsible for many of the inequalities and dire situations through the world. American attempts to transplant their institutions and government to other nations of the world have generally failed. Look at South America, Cuba, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Vietnam, Afghanistan, ..., etc. Unfortunately it remains true that any criticism of the United States is likely to be answered with a recitation about how much worse everywhere else is and always has been.

(I know I am repeating Stabb, but I spent a couple of minutes composing this post, so I wasn't going to waste it lol)

ok this has gotten out of hand i knew it was a sore subject and all but wow...thank you all for your post..