Vampyres don't exist- LIE
Ask any given number of people whether they believe in vampyres and the overwhelming response will be in the negative. There are two main reasons for this. The first reason is fear. Not the fear of the common man for Vampyres but quite the reverse. As we are all quite aware humans are prone to mass hysteria and violence against anything they cannot understand. Because of this, Vampyres over the millenia, have feared the human race and what it may do if the existence of Homo wampyrus were confirmed as scientific fact. Vampires therefore keep themselves well hidden and do all they can to propagate the Vampire as a myth and Hollywood invention. One classic example is the popular fantasy role-playing game by White Wolf, Vampire: The Masquerade. This game describes a rich history of Vampyre 'clans', each with it's own back story and complex interactive culture; all presented as a made-up gaming environment. In reality, the book is based on fact with only some embellishments to make it 'more exciting'.
The second reason is connected closely with the first. Remember, Vampyres are people too which means any survey will include a proportion of Vampyre participants who will naturally vote 'no' in order to discourage belief.
Vampyres are evil- LIE
Most Vampyres were human once and therefore have the same capacity for good and evil as any member of the human race.
There are evil vampires of course, just as there are evil humans but Vampires are also as capable of as much good as humans.
Vampyres are often portrayed as evil because of the nature of their food but Vampyre drinking blood is no more evil than a lioness tearing a zebra to pieces for to feed her cubs.
In today's society, most Vampyres discreetly advertise for willing 'donors' or purchase from blood banks in those countries that allow it, therefore avoiding the need for any stereotypical neck biting.
Vampyres only feed on blood- LIE
Haemavorous Vampyres, those that feed on blood, are by far the most fascinating and varied, however there is another kind that feeds on the life-force generated by every living thing and especially humans. Most of these Vampyres, known as Psychic Vampires are outwardly indistinguishable from humans and many do not share other Vampire weaknesses like aversion to sunlight of garlic. Many Psychic Vampires feed on the life-force or 'psychic energy' of those around them without ever knowing that they are doing so and remain blissfully unaware of their true nature.
This web site mainly deals with the haemavorous types but further reading on intentional and unintentional psychic Vampyres is available in a book entitled 'Vampires: The Occult Truth' by Konstantinos and published by Llewellyn
Vampyres can shape-shift- TRUTH
The shape-shifting capabilities attributed to Vampyres by popular fiction and the movies have some basis in fact. For most Vampyres shape-shifting skills are limited to the extension of fangs, claws or a lengthening of the ears. However there are some individuals, particularly amongst older members of the Wampyrus chiroptera group who have advanced abilities in shape-shifting. They are able to affect a transformation all the way into a huge bat-like creature which, while unable to perform actual powered flight, is capable of gliding over long distances in the manner of a hang-glider.
The transformation takes a huge toll on the Vampyre's energy levels and can take upwards of twelve extremely painful hours to perform. Because of these limitations the shape-shifting Vampyre rarely uses it's talent during it's usual feeding routine.
Vampyres are only active at night- LIE
It is true that the Vampyre condition makes them extremely and painfully sensitive to sunlight, or more precisely ultra-violet radiation. However this does not mean they cannot move about during the daylight hours. Humans have evolved as diurnal (daytime) animals but, despite poor night vision and a strong urge to sleep, we still spend a great deal of our night-times fully active. The same is true for Vampyres in reverse. As long as the Vampyre takes care not to expose his or her self to full on sunlight they are quite capable of acting out a life style approximating that of their human neighbours. Given a choice, most Vampyres would choose to sleep during the day and use the night-time hours to feed and socialise but this is in no way a rule. For most Vampyres it's a matter of choice and factor 40 sunblock!
Vampyres are repelled or hurt by garlic- TRUTH
In fact most haemavorous Vampyres are allergic or at least sensitive to the entire allium family which includes onions, chives, leeks, shallots and of course garlic. The degree of reaction varies from individual to individual but it is with garlic that the problem lies. Garlic contains a chemical which causes constriction of the throat and larynx leading to breathlessness and in extreme cases death through asphyxiation.
Vampyres are immortal- LIE
Vampyres are dead (or undead)- LIE
The misconception that Vampyres are the dead somehow brought back to life stems from two places. First, one of the early symptoms of the onset of Vampirism is a prolonged state of catatonia or hibernation. In the past, this state with it's cooling of the body and slowing of the heart to less than five beats per minute was often mistaken for death and the 'corpse' duly buried. Upon awakening, the Vampyre finds to his horror that he has been buried alive and proceeds to dig himself out. Naturally the Vampyre's friends and family think he has come back from the dead.
Secondly, and more relevant to modern times is the fact that when a human succumbs to Vampirism, he or she withdraws from his or her previous life and hides or moves away, often without a word to friends or reletives. After some years the family and friends of the missing person assume that they are dead.
Years later curiosity overcomes the Vampyre and he or she seeks out old aquaintances who are startled to find that not only is their dear departed still alive, but they appear to be no older than when they went missing all those years ago.
Vampyres sleep in coffins- LIE
Why would they? Coffins make very uncomfortable beds.
As explained above, Vampyres are not dead or Undead. The coffin fixation is purely an invention of folk law and novelists. These days some Vampyres make a point of having a coffin shaped coffee table or something of that sort as a kind of 'in joke' with their friends. The coffin is very much the 'flying ducks' of the Vampyre community. Kitch, tastless but fun
Vampyres have super strength- TRUTH
Vampyres enjoy a more efficient metabolism than most humans. Because of this, their bodies are able to perform more efficiently too.
Most Vampyre's strength is no more than any human could achieve, the difference is that a Vampyre has this strength without effort of training whereas a human would have to spend long, hard and regular hours in the gym to achieve the same results.
Some Vampyres are able to use a degree of shape-shifing skill to adjust bone pivot points, muscle attachment ratios and tendon strengths to obtain powers beyound that which is achievable by their original bodies, however,this is rarely worth the effort and pain to perform.
Vampyres cast no reflection- LIE
Even Vampyres cannot change the laws of physics! However, some Vampyres, particularly the Nosferatu group, are able to affect the human mind to some degree.
This enables them to alter a human's perception and effectivly 'become invisible' to them at will.
Vampyres fear religious symbols- LIE
Vampirism has been around since the dawn of man, long before the birth of even the oldest surviving organised religion. Christian crosses and other religious icons hold no fear for Vampyres, after all a cross is only a symbol of faith and not the faith in it's self. However, if the human who is brandishing the cross is sufficiently strong in their faith, if the belief in the icon's abilty to repel the Vampyre is absolute, then the Vampyre can feel this in the human's psyche. Most vampyres find this strong mental conviction unpleasant and will leave in search of less fervant prey. The human, of course, believes it is the cross that has repelled the Vampyre and as a result their faith is strengthened further.
Although most Vampyres have little time or interest for religion, some use religion as a smokescreen in order to appear more human and so fit more succesfully into human society.
My lord and borther has a good point most people are goin to think negative about vampyres and it all because the are not ablke to understand it there for they fear what they don't understand
Thank you, Ryu, for posting this very interesting information. I'm not familiar with the RPG's, but now I'll have to buy the book (Vampire Masquerade)!
ah...An opportunity to disagree on a few points brother, but alas, it must wait until tomorrow...
Hey man i like allot of your points but i have a prob with a coulple like Garlic. allergic to garlic? uumm... no and the whole shapeshifting thing is a lil shaky too.
Vampyric Allergy to Garlic: comes from us not exactly being a sanctioned member of the christian catholic society, where we were considered ghosts of dead people comming back from the grave due to some unholy details in our life, death or burial. Back in the day people used to use garlic as a way of killing the scent of death, (maybe even in embalming) so naturally when people thought they were being attacked by us they would put up garlic to ward off our dead bodies. so to sum up we're no more allergic to garlic and it's family than any other hume.
As for the shapeshifting thing someone else take a stab at that.
and BTW please make "Homo Wampyrus" one word or at least hyphenated, don't want to perpetuate anything misleading
look this is not what I know on kindred but what my house mate in ny asked me to read and I put it up here so you can read and comment
Ahh this info is second hand ok, well then all the better to debate.
BTW i do fear the cross but i think that may be for personal/political reasons not vampyric.lol
Interesting.....I think thou, different rules and Myths have arisen for centuries. Sorta like me. Many people over many years have tried to change the rules so they can sleep at night. Sorry, humans just don't know the truth...reason.....I'd kill you before you had a chance to figure it out.
Yes, Interesting read My brother... I enjoyed it much.. It makes it easier for me now to explain somethings better.
the point i am making with this thread is don't believe everything you read or hear we know what and who we are...
People have a mental block towards the macabre reality of vampirism as a clinical psychosis, so if they turn their heads in distaste upon this scientific fact, why would they wish to cast a stone any further? But then again it's like a train wreck, they have to look sometimes although they don't want to, so they make it pretty for the pallette, easy digestion on a social level. If mankind wants to believe in anything, they make sure that it will scratch their itch most fair...
Part of the beauty is the mystery. The deception, the unknown...
I found it really interesting. I am not sure about the garlic tough.. but hey I am no expert here hehe. Really interesting tough
Interesting...Me love garlic though, just had loads of garlic bread for breakfast a few hours ago.
I wonder, do you think all the disinformation was spread by the vampire community in order to keep us in their nightmares...
People fear vampires,or don't think they exist because they believe that vampires are the ones you see in the movies.
Also because in the world as there are real vampires,there are also wannabes who say a lot of shit about vampires,then that's why they are ridiculed!
hmmmm. i have always wondered something... vampires bite, but do they like to be bitin?
to be bitten, love it...
It is the only way to share...
Vampires are not real.
People may pretend to be a vampire but you are not.
I can think i'm a fish and swim all the time but i will never be a fish.
There is nothing wrong with fantasy but there is also nothing wrong with getting a grip on reality.
I always find the garlic theory amusing. Garlic is used so widely in the culinary arts - Slavik cooking, Mediterranean, Oriental, etc. I guess this would rule out Romanian, Greek, Italian, vampires and so on. I mean, who could stand it....
psychic vampire's I'll buy that. but "true vampyrs" are the documented cases that I enjoy studying. like poeple who have litteraly died and have risen from the grave? now that my friends is a "true vampyre like "the highgate vampyre 1967-1970" read up on that one.
everything you read or hear is what has kept us safe for lo these many centuries-we cloak ourselves in untruths in order to decieve the mortals and therefore protect ourselves-
It is possible to extract and absorb energy from another living creature through psionics empathic transmission and/or bloodletting.
Good and evil are human concepts, so any 'vampyre' is just as likely to be either as is the next man, but whether vampirism itself is an 'evil' trait, I do not agree with
Shapeshifting...hmm...I don't believe that this can be enacted through a concious effort of will upon the physical body within a limited time frame- say hours, but the energies of the soul can begin to influence the cellular development over the seven year cycles, causing one deeply immersed in the condition to begin portraying certain characteristics.
Vamps can exist during the day time, but there is some debate as to the way the sun affects one- possibly it can be said that as a vamp absorbs energy naturally, the intensity of the sun 'overloads' the system.
Some may be allergic to garlic and this could be a prediposition for vamps, but I have no access to scientific evidence to prove such.
We are all virtually immortal at the level of the soul, it is just that vampyres are more aware of past lives and can more readily access knowledge and experiences from such.
Suer strenght? Not sure, but I have seen people punch and lift above the expected...and there are perfectly accepted techniques in various martial arts which teach the power of the will over that limitations of the body...giving superior speed of movement.
my tuppence...
Ok hold on this with me and we can all get a grip together...Vampires are not real. People may think they are one but c'mon...as if.
I agree with what STABB666 views, though I can understand shapeshifting at an astral level more than physical.
As for vampires being affected by sun light... Well, the theory goes that the energy emitted by the sun causes a diruption in the vampires astral body.
Since most vampire are sensitive to energy and their astral bodies, the disruption causes them to get tired or over heat in a sense.
Well Empress if vampyres are not real.. then I've been fooled.. wow.. thank you for telling me what I have known all my life about myself to be false.... I'm glad that we have a person in here who has seen everything in the world real or not and has Ph.D's in many different areas.. to say.. they are not real... If you don't believe they are real.. then maybe you need to open your eyes.. because I'm real all the way down to my bones...
I agree with Lilith-amazong how everybody seems to be ignoring the person who thinks she knows the "truth" I guess we are just poor ignorant people-thanks for a great post lilith
You are quite welcome RedQueen... I'm just sick of it... if they don't think we are real then they can go some where else... I'm here to meet people like me and gain friends.. I'm not here to read post about people who just wish they were like us.
that is why I came here in a nutshell, Lilith- to meet others who believed the same things I do, and to find the knowledge and support of others like me-rather than be ridiculed by people who don't believe-that's why I left other sites, and why it took so long for me to make friends after I came here-glad I was more choosy this time...
I'm glad you are here RedQueen.. I offer my hand to you in friendship.
Lillith and Red, I applaude you both! *stands and claps loudly*
I extend my hand in friendship to both of you.
Great thread, btw. Very intelligent views.
StarryEyesSixx
I accept your hand in friendship and I offer mine in return. It's good to have you as a brother.
there are many truths and untruths about "vampires" do they realy exsist welll that depends on what you belive and your definition of "vampire"
I rode here about how the sun (UV radiation) affect vampires. People, radiation affect the cellular membrane of the cells. Radiation not only affect vampires, It affects every single organism. Go out without UV protection in a sunny day (specially in the tropics) and you'll see what I mean (vampire or not). I live in the tropics, and I can absorb energy... and other than feelin fatigue in a hot summer day, I can't say I feel bad or sick when I am out in the sun.
confuzzled a bit as i eat garlic to keep ppl away from me!
Unless you find someone like, that likes garlic hehehe
I eat garlic and onions all the time and ppl still pas me by as if nothing smells wrong. *shrugs*
Most lies about Vampires..ppl get from hearing them from other ppl...the truth about Vampires is mostly hid to protect them
about 2 years after my son was born, I developed a rather intense allergy to garlic-just a little in food, and I was queasy, and god forbid it should be strong enouogh for me to smell it-talk about puking up your sneakers...lol
Very interesting point of view, LordOfNoctemAeternus. I agree that some people may be alergic to garlic, but I think the superstition comes with the concept that because garlic cleans the blood, and vampires are "unclean spirits" they run away from it.(wich leads to a rather weird paradox, since I don't imagine anyone wanting to feed from dirty or unclean blood) It's a cristian concept to make some feel safer (and stinkyer) to weare a garlic neckless...
"Vamps can exist during the day time, but there is some debate as to the way the sun affects one- possibly it can be said that as a vamp absorbs energy naturally, the intensity of the sun 'overloads' the system."
Very well observed, Stabbb
Sorry StarryEyes... I didn't look at your profile until after I had offered my hand back.. Sorry again Sister....
Lilith...No appology needed...but I do accept, as you have offered it!
this is what I want us to get together like this that is honor thank you all
Very accurate, I myself am not allergc to garlic, leek, onion, ect. but I am sencitive to it. I also want to give you major thanks for clearing it up for the hmans on here that we CAN go out in the day. :)
I believe in vampyres. Why wouldn't I? Wouldn't that be like not believing in myself. and I can't stand how people think that one thing can exist but not another. I believe in alot of things and that will never change. i think that some of us are just ignorant to the facts sometimes without knowing it. Empress, do some more research honie.lol
About the garlic issue... It makes me cry very badly.. I worked in a pizza place that cut up their own garlic and onions and it about tore me up... I would have to stay out of the kitchen for about an hour or two until they got done and air it out.
Ryu,
I like what you wrote. My scholarly side would ask for more supporting documentation. Statements without proof can be construed as conjecture. It would be nice to see some documentation verifying your claims.
Excellent work though; a very provocative topic. And you should all know by now I like people who entice me to use higher brain functions. Thanks for the post.
How many of these things have you got going at once? LOL
Ambrosius
Garlic? I eat tons of the stuff. It's great when your sick and need to get something out of your system. It also helps if you yourself have been drained (LOL). Hey, it can happen to other vamps.
As far as "Vampires don't exist"
I exist....Nuff said.
And I'd have to wonder why someone is on this site if they don't believe in vampires, go elsewhere and leave us be.
hers a link to a site for yous but dont take it all as fact....
http://www.haemavore.com/
Ryu my lord very interesting topics also you left things out very wise all in all one hell of a topic. We exist, if we didn't what explains all those mysterious deaths that occur across the country.
It's nice to know that humans are so ignorant that can't glasp in their tiny brains that there might be others forms of life out there.
Thank you society for dumbing us down.
Disliking vampires to me is one of the oldest forms of racism. Sure, they aren't exactly another race but still...we're afraid of them (supposedly) because we don't understand and because society refuses to allow us to question outside the box we live out entire life in fear.
Yes, there are dipshits out there who fake their vampirehood. But what about the real ones? How do you think they end up feeling about being cast down upon?
And btw....if you swim forever and wish you were a fish...what tells you you're not. So you're a human fish... I see no problem with that.
And..finally....just a joke.... I'm glad that if I turn into a vampire that I don't have to stop eating garlic. *likes garlic a lot*
Yar...
Oh..and continueing on. About the fish thing. This kinda branches into past lives.
What if a person really was a fish in their past life? Then they still carry those traits with them.
I, in past life, was a cat. I still carry many of those traits with me.
So don't bring on some crap about how people can't be fish. Sure, you hold the body of human. But humans are just flesh and bone. We're simply big, complex mammels.
And thinking on that, we aren't better than other creatures. We still live by the same instincts. But because we have the brain power we have to have a larger athority over us collectively. IE: Society. God. Religion.
At least mammels don't have to go through the shit we do. And what shit we both share...they get the easier half.
But that's the price of our intellect, is it not?