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Countess Elizabeth Bathory
1560-1614

There are many legends about vampires. However, there are official documents proving the existence of an authentic seventeenth-century countess, Elizabeth Bathory, who was the most bloodthirsty vampiress of all time!!!
Elizabeth Bathory was born in 1560 into one of the oldest and wealthiest families in Transylvania. She had many powerful relatives - a cardinal, princes, and a cousin who was prime minister of Hungary. The most famous Bathory was King Steven of Poland. 1575-86.
Elizabeth was married to Count Ferencz Nasdasdy when she was 15, he was 26. The count added her surname to his, so the countess kept her name. They lived at Castle Csejthe in the Nyitra country of Hungary. The count spent a great deal of time away from home fighting. His nickname was "The Black Hero of Hungary". While he was away, Elizabeth's manservant Thorko introduced her to the occult.
Elizabeth eloped with a dark stranger briefly, but came home. Luckily the count forgave her. Back at the castle, Elizabeth couldn't stand her domineering mother-in-law. She began torturing the servant girls with the help of her old nurse Iloona Joo. Her other accomplices included the major-domo Johannes Ujvary, Thorko, a forest witch named Darvula and a witch Dorottya Szentes.
In 1600 Ferencz died and Elizabeth's period of real atrocities began. First, she sent her hated mother-in-law away. Elizabeth was very vain and afraid of getting old and losing her beauty. One day a servant girl accidentially pulled her hair while combing it -- Elizabeth slapped the girl's hand so hard she drew blood, which fell onto her own hand. She immediately though her skin took on the freshness of that of her young maid. She was sure she found the secret of eternal youthful skin!!! She had her major-domo and Thorko strip the maid, cut her and drain her blood into a huge vat. Elizabeth bathed in it to beautify her entire body.
Over the next 10 years Elizabeth's evil henchmen provided her with new girls for the blood-draining ritual and her blood baths. But one of her intended victims escaped and told the authorities about what was happening at Castle Csejthe. King Mathias of Hungary ordered Elizabeth's own cousin, Count Cuyorgy Thurzo, governor of the province to raid the castle. On December 30, 1610 they raided Castle Csejthe. They were horrified by the terrible sights in the castle - one dead girl in the main room, drained of blood and another alive whose body had been pierced with holes; in the dungeon they discoverd several living girls, some of whose bodies had been pierced. Below the castle, they exhumed the bodies of some 50 girls.
Elizabeth was put under house arrest. A trial was held in 1611 at Bitcse. She refused to plead guilty or innocent and never appeared at the trial. A complete transcript of the trial was made at the time and it survices today in Hungary! Johannes Ujvary, major-domo, testified that about 37 unmarried girls has been killed, six of whom he had personally recruited to work at the castle. The victims were tied up and cut with scissors. Sometimes the two witches tortured these girls, or the Countess herself. Elizabeth's old nurse testified that about 40 girls had been tortured and killed.
All the people involved in the killings, except the Countess Bathory and the two witches were beheaded and cremated. The tow accomplices had their fingers torn out and were burned alive. The court never convicted Countess Elizabeth of any crime. Stonemasons were brought to Castle Csejthe to wall up the windows and doors of the bedchamber with the Countess inside. They left a small hole through which food could be passed. King Mathias II demanded the death penalty for Elizabeth but because of her cousin, the prime minister, he agreed to an indefinitely delayed sentence, which really meant solitary confinement for life.
In 1614, four years after she was walled in, one of the guards wanted a look at this famous beauty. He saw her lying face down on the floor. Elizabeth Bathory, the "Blood Countess" was dead.
There are some connections between the Bathorys and the Draculas. The commander of the expedition that helped Dracula regain his throne in 1476 was Prince Steven Bathory. A Dracula fief, Castle Fagaras, became a Bathory possession during the time of Elizabeth. Both families had a dragon design on their family crests.




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05:02:29 Oct 31 2005
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A vampiress? No.

A blood fetishist? Yes.

A woman obsessed with eternal youth? Yes.

Lunatic? Quite probably.

My $0.02.



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I find this extremely entertaining that this is posted. I had planned (for about a week) to be Elizabeth Bathory for Halloween (wearing some home-made "era" clothing, carrying a scroll

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/bathory/countess_1.html



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::accidentally sent the last post before I was finished with it, sorry::

"When I am in danger, send ninety-nine cats. I order you to do so because you are the supreme commander of cats... order ninety-nine cats to come with speed and bite the heart of King Matthias... And keep Elizabeth safe from harm." was what would have been on the parchment I carried around, along with a vial of blood, and teased hair with white/grey sprayed in a bit.

A lot of what I learned about her was found here. *I got the idea for this costume from my good friend DarkWolfman, I will be her for halloween next year, because I will now have a year to make the dress*

I believe that she was a vampire. If she believed so strongly that blood would beautify her, I'm sure she also thought that it could also give her immortality if ingested, or at least prolong her life.



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a vampiress? no

a sociopath? YES

a woman obsessed with eternal youth? MOST DEFINITELY



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05:27:35 Oct 31 2005
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that story was very interesting...i've never heard of it...i think she could have been any of those thing ppl named in their posts



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I've read some on her and tend to put her into the category of Vlad the Impaler. I think she was just a tyrant plain and simple. My own persoanl litmus test for vampire or not: Is the killing being done out of need or pleasure? If it's the latter, it's not a vampire.



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Please I know this has been said many times, but please do mention the source of your information underneath your article, not doing so is considered as trying to pass the article as your own...



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05:53:04 Oct 31 2005
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This is one of my favorite killers of all time, she is often said to have killed over 650 people.
A vampire, no. But a psychopath, and potential sociopath, most definitely.



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im sorry i didnt know and now i can not remember the sorce but i will remeber for next time thank you for telling me...



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06:58:45 Oct 31 2005
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she was no vampyre, just a blood fetishist obsessed with eternal youth



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08:19:50 Oct 31 2005
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Neither do I think she was a vampiress,just a blood fetishist and insane.



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09:22:33 Oct 31 2005
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Bathory wasn't a vampire... she was a fucking nutcase that kids take too far.

if you apply the term of "vampire" to her... you might as well stick it on every murderer in history as well as anyone who's drank the tiniest bit of blood (even their own)

and lets face it... all the so called "vamps" on here are not actually vamps.

why do people always take things too far. or exaggerate. or just don't read things correctly...

if only i had a license to kill... shame really.



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it an oppion everyone has one if you dont like it then dont read and respond i was asking for peoples oppions on liz... not for your oppions on what other people think about who she was or was not .....



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I said my opinion... and even elaborated past that. she was just a mad human being. there's plenty in the world.



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i know you did and no elaberating past what the question is about dont hate on others because they may believe different from what you do...we dont need fights....thank you!



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10:55:24 Oct 31 2005
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no just one more silly royal who thought the best way to keep what was theirs was to rob it from others



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I think that she was a crazy sadistic bitch with many fears and biggest of these fears were growing old!



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12:17:35 Oct 31 2005
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I found that exact article online...while doing research for my members article on MEMBERS ARTICLE the other day



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Nice thread and interresting
yes i think too elizabeth was not a vampire when it s tell before just a girl obseded by the eternal young ....



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17:15:00 Oct 31 2005
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Okay... I have did this thread back in June.. there is TONS of info on this thread
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MmMbItEmEpLeAsE
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thank you for posting that moon :) more infor the better



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interesting i dont think she was



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i enjoyed the article but have no real opinion on whether she was or not because the article itself said only really that she was trying to retain her beauty and there are plenty of people out there who obsess over that not to categorize her for her methods in which she preferred.



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20:24:47 Oct 31 2005
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Nah... I don't think she was one...



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by the description given, it clearly shows that she was not a vampyre but a sevearly deranged women obsessed with looking beautiful forever....



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i think that Elizabeth was a human being probably misunderstood like Vlad Dracula was; people entertain fairytales and i think that her drinking and taking a bath in virgins blood was something someone made up and then posted it and it went a lot further and actually became a legend in history.



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22:01:52 Oct 31 2005
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Vampiress i think not!
Diva yes one of the first i just hope Sharon Stone in her quest for staying young dont read about her and get any ideas!



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Vampiress? Nopw, not at all. She only bathed in the blood of young virgins to bring a youthful look to her skin.



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Vampires: I think to a extent you can apply the titile to her. Most vampires when they feed energy, blood, or whatever gets some kind of replinishement from it. Basicly another form of enegry work. It rejuvinated her skin which is a form of feeding so to speak. Only she didn't consume the blood. But she did take it somewhat to far. As this could happen to any modern vampire. To say that she is a nutcase is a stretch.
How many would agree?



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There should be a Movie on HBO yesterday about her written by Vance Aubry Savage. And it will appear on DVD as well.



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i think she was just insane.



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sweet!



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what I know of Ms. Bathory is the fact she was of Noble birth and had mental issues which would cause her to act out in fashions of violence. Which would end up being torture on alot of pretty maids and I believe some males.

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*bump*



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Yep, she was a nuthead! If memory serves, she was also a Leo, which would make her quite the drama queen and always making it all about her. There is a great article (or was) in the "Vampires" section, under "Articles".

Will let this ride a bit more, since I closed the older one, and then kids, it's time to go home.



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and yet again, I go ramabling through my collection-while it is a fictionalized account, it is a very informative novel on it's own...read... "The Blood Countess" by Andrei Codrescu...good read-



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I know a woman who is in negotiations with Paramount Pictures about a screen play she wrote about Elizabeth Bathory. The movie is based on a lot of fact, but of course has some pulp added to it. I hope all works out for her, cause i think it will be a great film.



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wow, not much to say but was a good read.



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interesting information, i have no other comment



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She was just a crazy woman who was obsessed about keeping her youthful looks. She drank and bathed in blood, yes. But, she truly believed doing this would keep her young and not because she was a vampire.



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As Jamie wishes, it is time this lady was laid to rest..



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