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Zakash
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I don't know if this has ever been done before, but I have had this question on my mind for quite a while. Is there any vampires out there that can transform? I personaly can not, but some one I meat once said that he could. So can any of you turn? If so, into what? Does it matter what clan you are from? If not, do you know anyone who can? I was just wondering if it was just fact of Hollywood bull $***. Thank you for any information you can give me.
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18:11:32 Nov 17 2005
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This one is new to me.

I've heard about vampires who their gifts get stronger ...but transform!



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I really don't think so, but there amy be someone out there who could prove me wrong. At the moment until proven otherwise, I say no.



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Erm.

Physical changes within a short timespan. Not seen any evidence that convinces me.

It is possible to alter ones aura to give the impression of something other then human.

And in astral space, one can take any form that please.



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transformation is part of the myth and nothing more.



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19:10:48 Nov 17 2005
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Aura transformation is quite tiring. I slept for 2 days after.



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That's ok, the666inside. I find myself doing stupid typo's. And thank's for the information about the Aura transformation, everyone. I really didn't think about it that way



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I remember reading, not long ago about a woman that dabbles in the occult, and claimed to have had a psychic vampire as a friend for quite some time (bummer. I scrolled down my list of favorites and I can't find the link), and she said that for two times he showed her two forms of transformation: the first time, he was able to change his figure into the one of a woman dressed in gray, the other time, he disapeared gradually in front of her.
I don't know if these were actual transformations or if it were illusions caused by mesmerism (they both meditated together before it, so she said), or if this was a projection of some sort. Don't know what though. Aura, like you guys said? have no idea. I've never seen it.



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21:39:16 Nov 17 2005
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in other planes its posible but in tis reality not yet... in any form. but mentaly and in the spirit eseance yes it can be achieveable



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Agree, but could what she saw have been an illusion caused by mesmerism? Could the "transformations" she saw be the result of an hypnotic suggestion?



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Transformation? Do you mean like transforming into other things?

Khayman Edit: YOU MUST... BE KIDDING, GIRL. Was that a serious question or did you just not read the initial post?



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I believe it is possible to transform, however, it is extremely draining for one, and ludicrously difficult to accomplish successfully. You would need to amass a large sum of energy to even fathom transformation. Occult knowledge is required, because one requires the wisdom of the old arts if one desires to change one's form.


These are just my thoughts.



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I myself havn't built enough power to transform, But 1 thing about being a vampire is having the beliefe to do any
and every thing you want to do! Be it evil,Be it hate,Be it lust,or Be it fate.



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i dont think transformation is possible. there is no information on vampires being able to transform.but it is said that there are two type of vampires -physical and phantom vampires.



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celestial589
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Would be interesting if you could, think of the possibilities????? But No I have never heard of anything along those lines.. Sorry.



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i have heard of thos that could but never seen any evidence of it



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Sorry, I've never seen a physical transformation either. I'll believe it when I see it, because I believe it's just the hype of the myth perpetrated by Hollywood and the ignorance of past ages. Aura transformation, though, is plausible to me.



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the666inside
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I actually just picked up a very good book, called Forbidden Rites: a necromancer's manual of the fifteenth century. This book is very easy to read.
It has a couple of references to psychological conjurations which of coarse is the key to transformations.
This may help you very much.



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15:44:38 Nov 18 2005
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I would have to see this with my own eyes before I could even consider believing in something so far fetched.



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I have never seen it with my own eyes but that isn't to say that it doesn't happen there are so many things in this world that noone can explain and just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it don't exsist or can't happen. In this day and age anything is possible.



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i have yet to see, hear of, meet, or otherwise experience one



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18:00:02 Nov 18 2005
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It is said that a vampire can change transform into a wearwolf, or other , I read it some place cant remember when I remember ill post the website,



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i've never heard of it....maybe



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19:32:51 Nov 18 2005
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I wish I could :D but I don't think so...



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20:11:07 Nov 18 2005
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Its funny, so people say it cant hapen, never heard of happening etc.
What about all the legends that vampires turn into bats?
Curious.



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Zakash
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Thank you, Emaerald. It did help. And the666inside, that is a vary good point. Why would there be so many legends about it? Any comments?



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I do not think that a physical change is possible, but Ii do think that from time to time we are capable of "beasting out". As far as Ii know we don't, but Ii have heard of modern day lycan that get small physical traits.



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Most legends and myths are based on very little fact. Just because they exist doesn't make them true. This is why most people claiming to be vampires aren't taken seriously. What's next flying through the air like mist?



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Just because they are named legends or myths does not mean they are untruth. In the same sense, it doesn't mean the are truth. We must all seek out our own truth, transformation can take place on many levels of existence. So keep in mind that when someone speaks of transformation they may be speaking out of context and meaning and completely different thing alltogether. I personally believe that all things are possible, because of the fact that legends and myths were based on a reality at some point in time.



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Maybe, because in the ancient days, people didn't understand the nature of some nocturnal (nocturnal, night, night dark, dark scary, because i can't see in the dark, and don't know what can happen to me) animals, like bats, wolves, and bats give the illusion of seeing in the dark, the vampire bat that feeds on blood of catlle is known for a long time, wolves are carnivores, and also hunt at night, are ferosious and attacked sheeps and other farm animals; rats have been dispised since forever, because they eat the cereals, and cause damage to homes and spread pestilence. No wonder that fearof vampires, and of those "strange" animals gave birth to such legends. All comes out of what people can't understand, then figure out an answer that suits their beliefs.
My 2 cents, like you guys say.



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honestly i dont beleve that us vamp have that ability. transformation is for were's. i must agree with darkflame until proven other wise i will say NO



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in a mental state i can see it working
but in physical state no i can not see it



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well said, i do agree with you on that ^



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Yes, not all legends are true, but at one time the pyramids of Egypt were but a legend, so was the Trojan horse, and the hanging gardens. In fact most of the scientific finds started as a legend. Any comments? And thanks for all your responses so far. I thought that my foram would be RIP within a short while.



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Well, sure, but they remain legends until then and still are even though they've been proven. They have rich historical value. Not only that but somethings proven to be facts, especially speaking scientifically, drastically change throughout the years and can't always be relied on.



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so are the grammer freak.



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bloodyfang224
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transform in to what exactly?



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To change one's form into another. This can be anything, but exceptionally difficult to even attempt. Since we are talking about vampires specifically, I think that the logical forms one might attempt to change into would be the common bat form or wolf form.



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well u do have a very good and strong point there zakash



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Zakash
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Good point SilentSoliloquy! Can anyone believe anything, especially when everything is constantly changing? Oh and bloddyfang224, the type of transformation in this foram is any.



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For those who believe that transformation is a myth... think again!!!

I am from a transgenerational family of what most people would call 'changlings'. It is a secret society right in the United States with ties in Canada and building throughout Ireland and Scotland. This society that my family belongs to is not one in which you can be initiated into but one that you must be born in to. The knowledge and secrets are passed from one generation to a selected individual in the next generation. These chosen ones are taught and shown how to transform their physical bodies, ie: transform from one physical form to another. There is more information out there now than there was year ago.



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Zakash
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Thank you, mistress69. You answered one of my questions as well. The question of 'does it matter as to what clan your in'.Thank you, again.



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well vampyres can "Beast out" ((Eye color change teeth grow longer)) but thats all i know about that subject and since i am not a full one i have no idea except from Lord Ryu



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they can undergo some formation of change, but nothing major or that's what i think...but i could also be wrong...



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i cannot but one of my closest friends can chnge how she looks entirely wiht no makeup hairdye or anythign sometimes it scares me



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I'm sure that eventually some vampiryes will unlock the power of transformation. I however, do not believe that it is as of yet unlocked.



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i dont know what to think at this point. i summoned a dragon in the astral plain not to long ago, but i've never transformed. i think it is all just an illusion.



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I have never transformed that I am aware of. But, there are parts of my life that are "missing".



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i loved transformers. optimus prime megatron, starscream, the autobots,dinobots,the vampbots



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more like a fugment of ones imagintaion



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:) this is new stuff...for me



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I transformed my left arm into an extra lung, for when all Luc's smoking finally gives me lung cancer.



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It can be done



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wow ive never told anyone this before but my eyes can change color



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there are many talkins about this but never evidence:)



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bloodyfang224
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what di u mean by that?



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ask Lord Ryu for evidence i have seen it



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ask Lord Ryu for evidence i have seen it



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bloodyfang224
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who is that?



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Thanks for all of your input. It has been vary helpful. But I just had one more question for those who sad that they can or know someone who can transform. How and when did they/you know that they/you could transform?



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......I'm confused



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bloodyfang224
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mee too who is the name of the guy and who is he?



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scientifically it is not possible to change ones physical form..if it was...i sure in the hell would...but as several have already staated, it is possible to manipulate ones aura as well as their astral form...

and in reference to a post about being mesmerized..yes it is very possible that what she saw was due to the fact that she was open to suggestion..its happened to people before where it was later discovered that what they had witnessed was implanted into their subconscience by mesmeric manipulation..



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well transformations of such kindas as most of you have been speakin of have been quite tame compared to what ive witnessed but as to whether it was a vampire doing so was unknown to me ..... a lizardlike creature resembling a dragon was recently hanging around these rural parts ravaging cows and such and one night i happened to see the creature .....but before the so called "transformation" and during ..i was a rough sight to behold but i fled after it caught a field aflame as i was weak at the time lack of fresh blood ...but i have yet to see the creature since



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do u mean changeing into a bat? if so phicaly impossible...isnt it?



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I suppose I would have to see it to believe it.



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thank you mistress69. I would just like to know what exactly urself (if you have done it) did u transform into? Just out of curiosity. I think mental transformation is very fatuiging, but i could only guess that physical (if possible) would hurt VERY BADLY, if it doesn't kill you.



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Thank you ZuberiUrbi, that's what I thought.



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damnit no turning into bats and shit the eyes change color and fangs drop lower *twitch*



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interesting



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The aura thing someone mentioned earlier sounds more like astral projection



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transformation is either used by very stong vampire thats either out numbered or scare tactic to escape



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i think it would rock if you could do it



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I believe seeing is believing until then I will say it is impossible lol



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I have never known anyone that could transform. That would require an unbelievable amount of determination and descipline... I seriously doubt it's possible.



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Thank you for all the great comments. It has been helpful.



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i don't think so it would be kool if Any one could if their are people who can i have yet to meet one.Until then i say no.



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mmm transorm



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It is true, seeing is believing. In this day-and-age, one must see it or know it before one believes it. Even then they try to call it an illusion or a mind trick. So could transformation be just that, an illusion or mind trick? Comments.



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an illusion would be impossible, no ammount of mind trick can dilute someone into thinking they really saw a transformation, transformation in itself is impossible, matter cannot just change from one form to another and back again, it would be possible if someone was gifted if an immense amount of muscles connecting to every inch of bone to change shape by disconnecting different parts and moving them, its just a theory ive had but could work



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The only time I transformed was when I awakened.



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vampire4life75
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yeah i agree transformation is not possable.



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In the condition, the living breathing true vampyrism, no we cannot transform in actual body aspect. Yet, I do believe we do take on ther persona of an animal or some sort of creature within us, which comes out at times of stress. Which would probably lead to the aspect of people seeing us transform.

We don't turn into an actual creature, but they see it through the action and perception and from their they visiualize what we are from there.

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i wish i could be a kitty



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No trasformations whatsoever. That's a huge myth Bram gave



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deathnitegrl
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Could it be that since some believe that we have animal spirits inside there are people who can see them?

Well the explaination of the astral being sounded very good.



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It could happen, but until I see it I say no.



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I would make someone do it in front of me before I believed anything as ridiculoud as that. We are in reality here, not Hogwarts



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I'll leave it open, only because I've seen some strange stuff. Once, I saw me woman turned into a snake right before me... Ok, so I was drunk at the time on 15 shots of extra strength Tequila, BUT, it happened! I swear! She was pregnant, like 8 months - about to pop - and she turned into an albino snake right before me. She had tried to kiss me first and my friend stopped her and that's why she turned into a snake a scootered away, out of the apartment. I'm for real! I'm not even joking on this one. No "LOLs." This really happened to me.

So... maybe.

Ok, one LOL. But it really happened!



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Ive never heard of that. Im not saying that its not possible, but me myself has never heard of that.



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im not to sure if its possible to transform the physical body but tranformation of the soul and sprit are posible



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interesting



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NOPE!!! people, vampires, ghosts....what ever cannot transform i know this because im smart...but im very willing to be proved wrong by anyone out there who claims that they can...



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HERE IN LAYS THE BEAST...........words often spoken.........yet never obseved from the inside..........delema.........how does one feel at an alterd state........observable u say.........now traverse behind that ..........now look around..........our religion teaches the Gathering of one who did......this is the sacrit RITE........seack your lern'rd and FEED



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it's just another myth. Nothing more.



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I'm pretty sure it's just part of the myth and nothing more. I may be wrong...and please...correct me if i am...but I've never heard of any real life vampires being able to transform.



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I've never heard of any true vampire being able to transform. I always saw it as a Hollywood plot to make us seem more evil than we really are.



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Thank you for all of your responses. I did not expect this forum to last this long, but I am glad that it has.



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There are vampires out there with every sort of power. Although I've never seen it, I believe it unless it's proven otherwise.



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There are vampires out there with every sort of power. Although I've never seen it, I believe it unless it's proven otherwise.



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despite not seeing it myself i beleive it is possible...in researching and dabbling in the occult i have seen and heard of weirder things...plus with all the legends of vampires turning into bats surely something caused that beleif...just a thought



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i have personally never heard of it, but doesnt mean cant be done. if cris angel can levitate why cant vamps mimic?



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i know if your body has a hight silver count the skin well be light and mixed with the oils in the skin well burn



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yes and into a panther



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Vampires can definatly not transform.



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interesting



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GermzTheWorm
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ummm i'm thinking vamps cant transform

why would they need too?

i mean scare tactics? come on?

theatrics?

i would think..they would have great strength speed and heighten senses

for seeking out prey but none of the theatrics



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when i get madd my teeth feel like their sticking out and i want to bite who ever is making me madd



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Imagination is great and hollywood expounds on it .



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It would be fun to physically transform but highly unlikely.



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yes they can, but i think it is all upon whether or not you can beleive it or not, im unsure right now. but i will look more into it.



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Not to say your wrong or to mock you, angelofdarkness1977, but how would believing in it change the possibility of transformation? Just a question for all.



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Transformation is not possible but it is possible to change ones auara



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A physical transformation I would doubt. However,any magician worth his salt is able to work a kind of "glamour"you can find spells in many of the old grimiores.As well as goetietic magick.So a visual transformation,any magician can,a physical one,I highly doubt it.

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I honestly have no idea if any can but through glamour one could apeer to change form. This I have seen but it's just a trick of the eye. On the other hand anything is possible.



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Wow.. you know, I've met tons of people who honestly think they need to rid the world of vampires and become a "vampire hunter" who in some cases some even come after you with a huge cross and garlic.. but there's not a whole lot of vampires around here.. expecially my age. The older ones tend to scorn the young, and once apon a time placed me into that catagory of youths playing pretend for some sort of.. fashion or such.

But yeah anywho back on subject. Never met anyone who can transform, I've met kids who think they're some sort of lycan vampire breed... which is actually amusing.. but besides the point.

Physically transforming is a bit radical.. isn't it? I mean maybe spiritually if that's the shoe that fits some individuals but all in all, it's just part of that myth and stereo type.



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Wow.. you know, I've met tons of people who honestly think they need to rid the world of vampires and become a "vampire hunter" who in some cases some even come after you with a huge cross and garlic.. but there's not a whole lot of vampires around here.. expecially my age. The older ones tend to scorn the young, and once apon a time placed me into that catagory of youths playing pretend for some sort of.. fashion or such.

But yeah anywho back on subject. Never met anyone who can transform, I've met kids who think they're some sort of lycan vampire breed... which is actually amusing.. but besides the point.

Physically transforming is a bit radical.. isn't it? I mean maybe spiritually if that's the shoe that fits some individuals but all in all, it's just part of that myth and stereo type.



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Wow.. you know, I've met tons of people who honestly think they need to rid the world of vampires and become a "vampire hunter" who in some cases some even come after you with a huge cross and garlic.. but there's not a whole lot of vampires around here.. expecially my age. The older ones tend to scorn the young, and once apon a time placed me into that catagory of youths playing pretend for some sort of.. fashion or such.

But yeah anywho back on subject. Never met anyone who can transform, I've met kids who think they're some sort of lycan vampire breed... which is actually amusing.. but besides the point.

Physically transforming is a bit radical.. isn't it? I mean maybe spiritually if that's the shoe that fits some individuals but all in all, it's just part of that myth and stereo type.



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oops 3 posts : sorry, computer was lagging didnt think anything was working



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i cant personally either but i know 2 people who can...... its kinda wierd



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I can't do it and I haven't seen anyone who can so maybe it must be a myth...Unless the whole clan idea is true...Then the clans that can are nowhere near me...



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i wish i could transform, i have a friend whos been trying stuff for quite a while working on that kinda thing and she hasnt gotten very far.



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I have heard of Aura transformation but as far as physical i would have to see it to belive it but ya never know :)



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I've never met or heard of anyone that can do that. It doesn't seem to be somehting i can grasp



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