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I was recently looking for laws of the vampire on the net and came across these. Does any have any other laws for the vampire species or interesting facts related to this?

The Laws of the Vampires
as revealed to Armand by Santino
ONE
That each coven must have its leader and only he might order the working of the Dark trick upon a mortal, seeing that the methods and the rituals were properly observed.

TWO
That the Dark Gifts must never be given to the crippled, the maimed, or to children, or to those who cannot, even with the Dark Powers survive on their own. Be it further understood that all mortals who would recieve the Dark Gifts should be beautiful in person so that the insult to God might be greater when the trick is done.

THREE
That never should an old vampire work this magic lest the blood of the fledgling be too strong. For all our gifts increase naturally with age and the old ones have too much strength to pass on. Injury, burning -- these catastrophes, if they do not destroy the Child of Satan will only increase his powers when he is healed. Yet Satan guards the flock from the powers of old ones, for almost all, without exception go mad.
In this particular, let Armand observe that there was no vampire then living who was more than 300 years old. No one alive then could remember the first Roman coven. The devil frequently calls his vampires home.

But let Armand understand here also that the effect of the Dark Trick is unpredictable, even when passed on by the very young vampire and with all due care. For reasons no one knows, some mortals when Born to Darkness become as powerful as Titans, others may be no more than corpses that move. That is why mortals must be chosen with skill. Those with great passion and indominatable will should be avoided as well as those who have none.


FOUR
That no vampire may ever destroy another vampire, except that the coven master has the power of life and death over all of his flock. And it is further his obligation to lead the old ones and the mad ones into the fire when they can no longer serve Satan as they should. It is his obligation to destroy all vampires who are not properly made. It is his obligation to destroy all those who are so badly wounded that they cannot survive on their own. And it is his obligation finally to seek the destruction of all outcasts and all those who have broken these laws.

FIVE
That no vampire shall ever reveal his true nature to a mortal and let the mortal live. No vampire must ever reveal the history of the vampires to a mortal and let the mortal live. No vampire must commit to writing the history of the vampires or any true knowledge of vampires lest such a history be found by mortals and believed. And a vampire's name must never be known to mortals, save from his tombstone, and never must any vampire reveal to mortals the location of his or any other vampire's lair.
Taken from "The Vampire Lestat" (c) Anne Rice

never enter a house uninvited

Vampyres do have laws, but they differ within each clan

what law could someone fallow if they dont have a soul?

try reading THE BLACK VEIL sometime. i think you will find it interesting

The Black Veil is an interesting read, to say the least. The different Houses follow this creed or their own to some degree, often with special rules pertaining to that House in particular.

I myself live by my own code of honor, thus I am in complete control of me, with no sect or movement dictating what I can and cannot do and what I can and cannot feel. I do abide by the what I call the Proveable Laws (the judicial system for example) because they are as real as the keyboard I type with.


But, to each their own.

Hmmm it mentions Satan too much.... I don't think vampires are children of Satan.... I actually think maybe there being is close to something from God then evil.

They and angles are not so different.

mykill, I am glad you mentioned THE BLACK VEIL. I found that quite some time ago and it has helped me with my education. No, I am not on the Vampire path- I just practice tolerance and studying spiritual paths is one of my most favorite things to do...

Go here to check it out (The Black Veil)~

http://www.michellebelanger.com/page9.html

Okay, if your talking about real life Laws for those of the Condition I would suggest looking up my Post on the Black Veil or take a look into my journal, under personal. Look there and I have the lack Veil posted there.

- Sin

I think they depend upon the individual.

Here are the Tenets of the Black Veil

I. Discretion
Respect yourself and present yourself so that others also respect you. Take care in who you reveal yourself to. Explain what you are, not to shock, but to teach and to inform. Do not flaunt what you are, and know that whether you want them to or not, your actions will reflect upon the rest of the community. Share your nature only with those with the wisdom to understand and accept it, and learn to recognize these people.

II. Diversity
Among us, there are many different practices and many points of view. No single one of us has all the answers to who and what we are. Respect each person's individual choices and beliefs. Learn about them and share what you know. Our diversity is our strength, and we should not allow misunderstanding to weaken our community. Find the path that is right for you and uphold this freedom for others.

III. Control
Do not allow your darkness to consume you. You are more than just your hunger, and you can exercise control. Do not be reckless. Always act with a mind toward safety. Never feed because you think this makes you powerful; feed because this is what you must do. Be true to your nature, but never use it as an excuse to endanger those around you.

IV. Elders
Give respect to those who have earned it. Anyone can claim a title, but a true leader will prove him or herself through dedication, hard work, and great deeds. Even so, leaders should be guides and not dictators. Look to them as examples, but always decide for yourself what you must do. Respect the person, not the position, and understand that your choices are always your own.

V. Behavior
Know that there are repercussions to every action, and that you alone are responsible for your decisions. Educate yourself about risky behaviors, then always act with wisdom and common sense. Do not allow others to abuse you, but also, do not selfishly abuse. Respect the rights of others and treat them as you would be treated.

VI. Donors
Feeding should occur between consenting adults. Allow donors to make an informed decision before they give of themselves to you. Do not take rapaciously from others, but seek to have an exchange that is pleasant and beneficial for all. Respect the life that you feed upon and do not abuse those who provide for you.

VII. Community
Reach out to others in your community. Exchange ideas, information, and support. Be hospitable to others, and appreciate hospitality when it is extended to you. Do not engage in illegal activity, for this can endanger us all. Seek to nurture our community and support all those who do the same.

Thank you, I will check into the Black Veil.

I think it might depend on who the person is.

well vamp laws differ from clan and whee you live i personally am over 300 years old and so is my creatr or was

Vampires do have laws but they do differ from clan to clan.

How are vampires similar to angels? I have never heard anything contrary to vampires being "devils" and "demons"
I've never heard of them being anything remotely heavenly.

the laws differ from clan to clan I am 211 years young I have gained respect from many in my clan few are older than me

Wow, only five laws!!!

Never invite your self in a house, Also the veil of blood laws , Yes Vampires have laws but look for further information on the veil of blood,

Yes, the most interesting I found, so far, is indeed the Black Veil. I also read The Book of Nod, but, interesting as it is, it's still fiction.
Even not being a vampire, the Black Veil seems to carry a great deal of common sense, and that appeals to me.

As powerful as the vampire is, it should seem that the only thing that binds it is there own intellegence.

In this day and age it would seem killing there victems to be stupid, and uneeded.

1. Don't kill your own kind.
As simple as the rule is there are always exceptions. It is unfortounate that as educated beings, we learn that there is no cut and dry method of doing things. Death should be dealt by a case by case basis.

2. The death of humans is no longer necessary.
While some continue to drink untill death, the reason to went out a long time ago. While some houses will punish you for doing so, most let your reprecussions come to you on there own, you reap what you sow.

The rest of the guidlines vary from house to house, and from story to story. In Rice novels, you cant give your dark gift to anyone who couldnt normally fend for themselves. In the stories of the Camirila, you must announce when you move to a new place, and when you wish to make a kindred, or suffer final death.

So you mean cattle? Actual cattle is used to feed? I always read when a vampire feeds on a human, he takes their knowledge, their strengths. And he copnsumes their life force to sustain his own. I hope that it's not just cattle. Cause cows are pretty stupid.

That depends on what story you read. Also, do you believe that knowledge is stored in the blood? Or in the brain and body?

LMAO Lucios!
I see the preying on humans as an arrogant trait if they are, in some "rules" treated like cattle...After all, if vampires feed on human blood, they should atleast hold some respect for the donors.

Rules are made to be broken. It all depends on the person I guess.

I try not to follow any so called "Laws" and tend to be a free thinker... it's called "Common Sense", perhaps some of you have heard of it?

they are only held on to laws by there inability to do certain things like the invitation or the sun, they are powerful and self centered, the only true badass does things only if they gain more than they give.

No. I mean actaul cattle. There have been reports in south america mainly brazil where cattle are found mutilated and no sign of blood. They are literally bled dry. But in the states I want to know if you mean livestock. And I have always read that knowledge flows through the blood.

lucious - good point about the mutilations... saw stuff about it on tv... pretty interesting concept. i doin't honestly believe that you get a persons or animals powers, abilitties or intelligence from it's blood.

saorry bout not writing well tonight, migraine wont let go of me and i refuse to let it rule me as long as i can see somewhat straight! hope this second maxalt kicks in soon!

dont headaches suck? but on subject, blood does not effect different then lemonade when drank, but certain personality traits and dna may be incorporated into your body when injected through the blood stream so long as your body doesnt reject the new blood, i call it dna exchange but others say "blood brothers" it is dangerous to mix dna since diseases may be passes or even formed from the new mix, but im all for it, one more disease couldnt hurt

laws for an individual that can't possibly be punished, that is a thought, what good would the laws do

OK Normally I am very well sitting on most subjects, but i would have to agree on the laws whether they be the Laws of the Black Veil, or the V:TM "Traditions", Certain rules are in place to accertain one's safety. Break the rules & sure you may get away with it but, man kind fears what they do not understand & normally destroy it, look at the extinction list of our modern day times.

I agree VampyreinMo. But each house has their own rules. Even if the they are just about the same.

I am a firm Beleiver in the same, rules must be substatial for each house as each house, clan, sect, coven, ect. is different, but most rules should just be common sense.

The whole thing about the Black Veil was that it was Created by Todd Sebastian, a LARPER and the creator of the Synode.

Most of everything in the black Veil is Common sense but was created by RPG game rule known almost as the Masquerade and the whole sect aspect known as the "Camarilla."

As for Clans and living for many many years. Yeah, please drop the game BS and come to the realization that Vampyrism is a living condition in which the body cannot produce enough life energy to sustain itself so the person who is afflicted must take it from others. With that said they are born into it, not created, not embraced or sired.

- Sin

I had no idea that The Black Veil was made from the Vampire:TM rules...And I have to garee completely that V:TM, intersting as it is, with the clans, and the diciplines, and the Camarilla, and all that stuff, is fiction. It's a game.
Just because I got Gangrel from the clan quiz, that doesen't mean that now i'm able to shapeshift and sleep in the earth...

If people want to know what real vampyrism, feel free to read through the personal section of my journal or ask.

But yep, the rules were pretty much founded around the idea of the masquerade and the camarilla. If you read through the camarilla section of VtM and the Traditions, then you will notce the similarities.

Father Todd Sebastian is a very delusion person who uses VTM as a means to bring the sanguinarium up to the spot light of the vampyric community.

- Sin

Thank you Sin, I'll make a research about that person.
Indeed, I find similarities, though the territory and hospitality thing is not refered in the Black Veil because it would probably sound too farfetched.
Research time.

Yeah everyone has there own rules/laws. and i will have to check out the black veil.

as a traveling vampire i have found out that different clans do have different laws. i personaly prefer making my own laws.

nice

you know Lucios- you could say that demons and angels are quite similar... It is just that we usually use the term angel for good- and demon for bad... But in the Bible, we have had bad Angels (fallen angels)~ that were far from heavenly as well... what they are, are the same types of entities, just different motivations.

An Angelic Vampire?... in literature we have had them~ all made up stories, yes. And even though I know you hate the 'psy vamp' thing- any REAL person following that lifestyle is not evil n anyway. People that are, do not follow code.

Again, I am not a Vampire, I am absolutley mortal and do not live to Vampiric lifestyle- I simply study them.

Screw the law's, are we not imortal, children of the night........"VAMPIRES"

Never enter a house uninvited

No we aren't Immortal, and yes laws are emplace for a good damn reason. Even in games where you play as one, there is a reason for this.

If people were to find out, in a game, that vampires existed, guess what will happen. About half will want to become one, the other half would like to destroy them. With that said, wide spread chaos and war would break out as another inquisition would occur.

In REAL LIFE, people who openly go about saying they are immortal and drink blood get placed in the nut house. As for those who know the real condition and are of it, have to worry about nearly the same thing, yet unlike the people who think the are 3k years old, our means and ideals of what real vampyrism is can be justified.

- Sin

Although Ann Rice has some great reads, The black veil said it best.

Never been a big fan of Anne Rice. Yet, I figure she had her own set of Laws for her Vampire books she writes.

- Sin

The Black Veil - I have my own conscience and refuse to follow rules dictated by someone else. When I need to feed, I will feed how I need to. It's a matter of survival.

You do have to be very careful about joining a vampire house. You need to find out the laws and rules ahead of time - you may not like them. For instance, one house I'm familiar with demands to know the names of your donors, their addresses, and wants copies of everyone's bloodwork.

There are laws for the gatherd as there are beliefs for the others as a guide to this there are teachers and learners hence the story author was one the land was one the sword and arthor jiond the three the maths is simple to PYRE LAW
a b c a+b = (abc) search for the clues they abound you in legondes stories pictures paintings ect
and in the advice giveing there is always a wise statement of truth
one does say if you stair deeply into anothers eyes you will see the widow to the soul,
the same is said of the message given understand deeply the answer peraids before you.

other that that a shake is as good as a wink is as good as a nod is as good as feed.

there is a law in this for those of kindred spirit those of thirst the wize shall awaken with a raor.
D

Anything organized needs laws. Vampires may be one of the smallest world minorities, so organization is a must if we are to thrive. If not, there would be anarchy, and as appealing as that may seem to some, it would rip apart our way of life.

i saw rules are to be broken and there is a time when u need to step out of line to do wat u think is right. and not always is ur heart goin to tell u to do wat others say.

Rules are in place for the good of the people as a whole. Personally the VtM "traditions" are good basic principles to live by vamp or mortal.

Now on the thing about vamps being not evil. I completely agree that this can be true, i don't consider myself an evil person, and i certainly dont worship Satan. and thats my thoughts on that

these laws are not easy to follow especaily the tell no mortal and let them live

I think these laws revealed by "Armand" are just too depressing and negative, that's not to say that some are not common sense, they are, but that whole business of the coven master having that much power over his 'flock" and the whole "children of Satan," and choosing beautiful people as an afront to "God..."

... well, I so don't care. I couldn't obey anyone who tried to control me to that extent... I'd revolt. It's the reason why I'm not a Christian! LOL!!!

Now are these actual laws or laws written by an author?

I think these are all just laws written by fictional authors. Most of them anyway.

OK, I thought they had Anne Rice character names swimming in them. I have searched for real vampire laws and most seem RPG based.

I don't really agree with these laws. There's nothing to enforce them. Why should vampires be limited by the ramblings of various authors, no matter how enchanting their tales? Laws are only necessary if in a society of vampires, so, for the clanless, these laws are less than nothing.

Most laws that are vampiric made are rpistic. Only way to make one that isn't is by writting up a set for yourself.

- Sin

Hmmmm

I think they are more by an author who is only interested to RPG,not all vampires join a house so basically the laws are for vampires of who join houses.

True. I still think they are silly laws; I've never been into the rpg scene. It's all about the blood.

Laws are made to protect the coven however the laws that you found make us seem evil. Though some are it doesn't really make sense why it's an assumption that we all are. The do seem useful though. Just keep up with the research and you'll be fine.

Each clan and person has their own laws. It all depends on your views.

vampires dont have laws right?

It varies from clan to Clan

As an author, this is a very informative thread for me. I think I will have to take a look at the Balck Veil and see what I can gleen from it for my own stories.

Also, I think the most intelligent thing said on this thread is that it all boils down to plain old common sense. ( I hope no one is insulted by my last statement.)

I've always gone by my rule, if someone doesn't tell me not to do it, it's okay to do, within common sense of course.

I agree with VampyreinMo.

individual rules are dependant on clan/coven however there have been many attempts on drawing up 'guidelines' that are apparent in many sets of laws...like witchcraft in each coven there are different laws and beliefs as appears with vampires...also individuals (vampires with no clan/coven) also to an extent make laws for themselves but however this does come with different reprimands

i follow no laws
laws are for the living

This was an interesting read, I found this about more underground laws of vampirism

SanguinariumHouse

I've been reading into it, and I think that unless you're in a coven that attempts to control individual actions through such laws, you have no law but common sense.

i think it depends on the clan

vampires have laws? o.0

dead things sucking the blood of mortals...glorified parasites...and they have laws? wow

Good point buddajon. Who would punish us if we had laws? I am a loner and have never heard of any laws. I do have some morals and therefor have my own set of rules like: Never enter another's home, never kill a mother of an infant, never kill a famous person, and never get caught. I do have more but I will have to think of them again.

Of course they have laws Jeremy. One of them of course is never show themselves. Just buy the game Vampire: The Maquerade and read the booklet. lol Sorry but really though, even vampires have to show respect towards humans.

unfortunatly common sense isnt so "common" these days

the european vampire law tends to be quite different from anything that there might be here.I know about the law there first hand.It tends to be centralized around each house governing itself.Only for a matter of great import is a grand assembly called.

all houses have different but similar laws within them, some are very strict as others aren't so as different people live with different means

There are common laws, which would be the Black Veil, then you have individual House or Coven laws.

As for parasites, I would like to point out that we are all parasites if you look at it. The only difference is the fact that we Vampyres feed off other parasites.

- Sin

I don't follow the Laws...I make my own Laws to follow...They are simple yet they have helped me survive all this time...

If you haven't come across it yet, check out www.reapersofblood.org

They have a lot of interesting information about the various types of vampires and living the vampire lifestyle.

Vampires and Laws... well in my opinion the only law is "Feed to Live"

Very interesting post...

The Black Veil is something for modern day vampires, and is just a code to keep vampyres safe. As far as I know there is no real code for vampyres to follow. But I'm not a vamp, so.....I wouldn't know.

Vampyr and the laws..........

depends first on what level we are referring to

When in a base such as here or any other vamp community, then to a degree some roleplay comes in whether one is vampyric in real life or just someone with an interest or wish to be one. The laws, WW Black Veil whatever are fine tuned to fit in with whatever the house wishes them to be, and each house has that as it's right.

When talking of real life vapyr, there are many many places online to read of the different types and the ways they live in the 'mortal' real life world.

As for angelic or demon........ I do not believe in good or evil per se, we all follow a set of our own rules, and good or evil is in the eye of the one who is using their own perception.

A Vampyr who walks the spiritual planes,, one who 'feeds' in whatever way it needs to flourish has no need of rpg tye laws unless in an environment where true walk with players, and disrespect is not being shown to 'players' either lol.

And angelic or demon....depends with whom you decide to work with in one way, many so called 'fallen' angels are not so fallen, and as one who works with angelics I wouldn't describe myself as the epithomy of 'good'

*grins*

There are a lot of "laws" and "rules" floating around out there. Some of them so rediculous as to be utterly laughable, some of them purely role play, and others with a good deal of common sense in them.

Yes the original version of the Black Veil for anyone who read it back then does read like something straight out of a role play game, and as was stated that is largely what it was based on at the time.

The more recent and updated version does contain some good common sense points that are worth following.

Most Houses, Covens or other organizations do have their own set of rules and guidelines that they wish their members to follow.

The bottom line is to use common sense. For example if you are a "practicing" (sorry for the terminology for those of you who might be offended) sanguinarian and are going to be engaging in the sharing of blood, obviously you would want to use all means to insure that you do so in a way that is safe for all parties involved and that no one involved is ever exposed to tainted or diseased blood sources.

Common sense and personal responsibility is the key.

And if ever you enter into a group of any type where you are expected to adhere to a set of rules or laws that make you feel uncomfortable or unsafe, get out because obviously there is something there that is not for you.

And for all those going on about the fact that vampires should be bound by no rules or no laws, always keep in mind that you have to live in reality, and reality is that you live in a society based upon laws and the enforcement of them.

You wouldn't go out and deliberately run someone over with your car simply because you could. The same thing applies to a vampric lifestyle. Just because you can do a thing doesn't always mean you should.

Be safe. Be responsible. Use good judgement and common sense and don't go around acting like a total ass doing whatever you want whenever you want ,with no thought to the consiquences.

It makes you look like a fool and it gives vampires as a whole a bad name.

Damn, you mean that guy I ran over last night was a no no then?............

But yes, a personal responsiblity for oneself is paramount. Apart from anything does everyone need to know if you are or are not of the blood?, in whatever sense of the word?

Thereis at least onelaw where it states you should not reveal...........

Which in some places would keep you a lot safer than wandering around with fang exposed

lucioswolfe,How are vampires similar to angels? I have never heard anything contrary to vampires being "devils" and "demons"
I've never heard of them being anything remotely heavenly.

Around the vampire have clustered the most sombre superstitions, for he is a thing which belongs to no world at all; he is not a demon, for the devils have a purely spiritual nature, they are beings without any body, angels, as is said in St. Matthew xxv. 41, "the devil and his angels

I don't think I can anwser this post.

agree wit the first two

I dont kno ^_^
but im not alowed in churches
my mom banned me -_-

everyone has their own built in moral code, vampyres included. Other than that, vampyres need to have laws, just like anyone else.

i need to get that book the black veil i also need to reread some of my other books as well ,thanks for the info

you can find the laws for the Vampyre Nation in these books.the V series of books Liber Jahira, Liber Bellah, or Liber Calmae you can find them at StrigoiVii.org
I have them all.

LordOfNoctemAeternus is correct, the info is all over the net.

The Black Veil, Vampyre Reed, even the laws some VtM Clans have.

The VtM Laws are easy... wait never mind was thinking of the VtR Laws, yet either way they are the same damn thing.

- Sin

A lot of people pick up on WW/masquerade rules because really they have no idea what it really is to be Vampiric in the first place. And lets face it a lot of so called vampires are roleplaying (not that i think there is anything wrong in that btw))Some of the rules could be used to serve as a basis i suppose. How many people do you know openly admit to being Sanguine/psi/ vamps etc in RL. Your ordinary vanilla /straight living human being would not know how to comprehend never mind understand that lifestyle. Keeping that knowledge to yourself does serve a purpose. Then you have your common sense rules regarding hygeine and safety against HIV etc. Also knowledge is needed for safe bloodletting. No-one wants to be brought up on a murder charge for cutting a carotid artery by mistake lol...It really helps to have some anatomical knowledge.
I prefer to say know what you are doing and be careful who you are doing it with than say here have these rules follow them or else...
Then again i am only speaking from my own viewpoint of what it is to be Vampiric. What in hell do i know...:grins cheekily:

I beleive tha Black Veil is like commandments to a vampire such as the bible has their own. So would make sense that vampires would have other laws to follow as each country and state has their additional laws to follow.

As helpful and even necessary as rules like the 10 Commandments, Wiccan Reid, or Code of Hammurabi are, there is not one all-encompasing set of rules for a vampyric lifestyle.

While some are fortunate enough to belong to a formal Clan structure and receive guidance that way, common sense and lots of reading will be the best guides anyone can have.

For those of us left alone in this world, there are no need for laws. No more than the hermit in the woods needs to pay taxes or own a hunting license.

Let reason be your only sovereign.

i didnt actually think that vampyres had laws, ut if they do can someone tell me plz

Where might I get a copy of the Black Veil?

I'm pretty certain you can find it on the internet.

Thank you kindly.

http://www.vampires.nu/pages/Black_Veil.cfm/PageID/20

The original posts content... minus the set of vampire laws the initiating poster had found online was as follows...

"I was recently looking for laws of the vampire on the net and came across these. Does any have any other laws for the vampire species or interesting facts related to this?"

Which to me would suggest that the person posting this is interested not only in finding copies of the various forms of laws, but in learning more about the subject as a whole.

So I really do not see most of the comments made as having strayed off topic.

But that's a call for the administators and not myself. But the fact that they closed a large number of threads today and not this one seems to suggest they do not feel the discussion has strayed too far from it's intended purpose.

I've re read this thread and I feel the question has been abswered by showing just how many 'laws' there are, and also shows it depends in what setting we are referring to as to which set of 'law' one wishes to folow.

VTM covers things in a broad sense, and are easy enough to apply in a forum based fully or partly in rpg....even rl vamps like to play, and we have found that rl vamps will come just to see if they can find some reality amongst the game.

The others mentioned o deeper, and can be applied to a more real life setting perhaps, but the comments and view points given is as it should be, as conversation always gives information one way or another.

*THE BLACK VEIL

The Black Veil, also known as the "13 Rules of the Community" was composed by Father Todd of House Sahjaza, Michelle Belanger of House Kheperu and COVICA as an voluntary standard of common sense, etiquette and ideals for the greater vampyre/vampire community.

Although copyright 1997-2001 by Father Todd and Michelle Belanger, the Black Veil is an open licensed text available for reproduction on related websites or in print for organizations and individuals who wish to promote it's concepts and ideals. All that is asked is that the Black Veil not be changed, amended or modified in ANY way and include the text and links detailed between the asterisks * here.

1. DISCRETION
This lifestyle is private and sacred. Respect it as such. Use discretion in who you reveal yourself to, and make certain that your motives are to truly communicate about our culture and to engender understanding. By no means should you talk to others about yourself and our community when your motives are for selfish reasons such as self-promotion, sensationalism, and attention-getting.

Do not hide from your nature, but never show it off to the those who won't understand.

2. DIVERSITY
Our paths are many, even though the journey we are on is essentially the same. No single one of us has all the answers to who and what we are. Respect everyone's personal views and practices. We cannot let petty differences of ideology prevent us from maintaining a unified community; there are enough who would attack us from the outside.

Our diversity is our strength. Let our differences in viewpoint enrich us but never divide us upon ourselves.

3. SAFETY
Use sense when indulging your nature. Do not flaunt what you are in public places. Feed in private and make certain your donors will be discrete about what happens between you. Donors who create rumors and gossip about us are more harm than they're worth. If you engage in blood-letting, put safety and caution above all other things. Blood-born diseases are a very real thing, and we cannot risk endangering ourselves or others through irresponsibility. Screen donors carefully, making certain they are in good health both mentally and physically.

Never overindulge or get careless. The safety of the entire community rests upon each member's caution.

4. CONTROL
We cannot and should not deny the darkness within. Yet we should not allow it to control us. If our beast or shadow or darkside is given too much sway, it clouds our judgment, making us a danger even to those we love. Never indulge in pointless violence. Never bring willful harm to those who sustain you. Never feed only for the sake of feeding, and never give over to mindless bloodlust. We are not monsters: we are capable of rational thought and self-control.

Celebrate the darkness and let it empower you, but never let it enslave your will.

5. LIFESTYLE
Live your life as an example to others in the community. We are privileged to be what we are, but power should be accompanied by responsibility and dignity. Explore and make use of your vampire nature, but keep it in balance with material demands. Remember: we may be vampires, but we are still a part of this world. We must live lives like everyone else here, holding jobs, keeping homes, and getting along with our neighbors. Being what we are is not an excuse to not participate in this reality.

Rather, it is an obligation to make it a better place for us to be.

6. FAMILY
We are, all of us, a family, and like all families, various members will not always get along. However, respect the greater community when having your disputes. Do not let your individual problems bring emotional strife to the family as a whole. Settle your differences quietly among one another, only seeking out an elder's aid in mediation when no other solution seems possible. Never bring your private disputes into public places and never draw other family members into the issue by forcing them to take sides.Like any normal family, we should always make an effort to present a stable and unified face to the rest of the world even when things are not perfect between us.

7. HAVENS
Our havens are safeplaces where everyone in the community can come to socialize. There are also often public places where we are likely to encounter people who don't understand our ways. We should respect the patrons of these places as we should also respect the owners of the establishments and always be discrete in our behavior. We should never bring private disputes into a haven. We should never initiate violence in a haven. And we should never do or bring anything illegal into a haven, as this reflects badly upon the community as a whole.The haven is the hub of the whole community, and we should respect it as such, supporting it without business and working to improve its name in the scene so that we can always call it home.

8. TERRITORY
The community is extensive and diverse. Every city has a different way of doing things, and a different hierarchy of rule. When entering a new city, you should familiarize yourself with the local community. Seek out the local havens. Learn what households have sway here. Get in touch with key members of the community, learn who is who, and show proper respect where it is due. You should not expect to impose your old way of doing things on this new scene. Rather you should adapt to their rules and be glad of their acceptance. Always be on your best behavior when coming to a new city either to visit or to stay. We are all cautious and territorial by nature, and only by making the most positive impression possible will you be accepted and respected in a new community.

9. RESPONSIBILITY
This lifestyle is not for everyone. Take care in who you choose to bring into it. Those who are mentally or emotionally unstable have no place among us. They are dangerous and unreliable and may betray us in the future. Make certain that those you choose to bring in are mature enough for this burden. Teach them control and discretion, and make certain that they respect our ways. You will be responsible for their actions, and their behavior in the community will be reflected back to you.

10. ELDERS
There are certain members of our community who have established themselves as just and responsible leaders. These are the people who helped establish local communities, who organize havens, and who work to coordinate the networking of the scene. While their word does not have to be law, they should nevertheless be respected. They have greater experience than many others, and usually greater wisdom. Seek these elders out to settle your disputes, to give you guidance and instruction, and to help you establish yourself in the local scene.

Appreciate the elders for all they have given you: if it was not for their dedication, the community would not exist as it does now.

11. DONORS
Without those who offer themselves body and soul to us, we would be nothing. We cannot be other than what we are, but it is the donors who sustain our nature. For this service, they should be respected. Never mistreat your donors, physically or emotionally. They are not to be manipulated or leeched off of for more than what they freely offer. Never take them for granted. Appreciate them for the companionship and acceptance which they offer us, which so many others would refuse.

This above all: appreciate the gift of their life. That communion is sacred. Never fail to treat it as such.

12. LEADERSHIP
When you choose to take a position of authority in the community, remember that you do not lead for yourself alone. Leadership is a responsibility, not a privilege. A good leader must set an example for everyone through his actions and behavior. His motives should be selfless and pure, and he should put the interests of the whole community before his own.

The best leaders are those who serve to better the community and whose person and behavior gives no one -- even those outside of the community -- a reason to criticize them.

13. IDEALS
Being a vampire is not just about feeding upon life. That is what we do, but not necessarily what we are. It is our place to represent darkness in a world blinded by light. We are about being different and accepting that difference as something that empowers us and makes us unique. We are about accepting the dark within ourselves and embracing that darkness to make us whole beings. We are about celebrating the thresholds: body and spirit, pleasure and pain, death and life. Our lives should be lived as a message to the world about the beauty of accepting the whole self, of living without guilt and without shame, and celebrating the unique and beautiful essence of every single soul.
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The problem I have with the black veil is regardless or not if it was modified it still came initially from White Wolf. Be nice if folks could be a little unique once in a while.

the article in question that I am sourcing can be found here

http://www.kheperu.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=41


More or less it talks about the change up and that it was done because the original rules were too closely looking like the masquerade's from White Wolf. So to distance themselves from that they modified them a bitl.

With this said it is hard for me to think of them with any kind of sacridity. Best to just build your own and do your own thing. If you can hold to your own rules then that is an honor you will have of all your own anyway.

Oh my....

for one the Veil is there as guidelines for the vamp community not all live by it, two just cause some follow it don't look down on them. Vtm its funny how none of you see where most of that shit comes from, it is based on something but if you have minds you can find out what, and where. most true vamps enjoy playing them r.p.g's not saying all cause I never knew what a larp was till I came here. I dont do them rpgs but if someone does and they live by the laws of that game then maybe it fitts the way they wish to live.
just my two cents

the laws my house lives by


Noctem Aeternus is an international organization,
which is part magickal order , part vampyric family and a fraternal order,
that is based on teaching and learning more on who and what we are.
We are not R.P.Ger's.
But true life vampyres/vampires
coming together with like minded people
for a better understanding of who and what we are.


Noctem Aeternus membership is only for the serious seeker.
open by invite and sponsorship.
No one under the age of 18 will be
Allowed.

We of Noctem Aeternus
hold the Black Veil and the Pillars of our house
in the strictest of respect.
we suggest you read the Black Veil,
and agree to live by it for yourself before
coming to us.

Our way of life is not for all!


These are the traditions and codes of ethics,
for the house of Noctem Aeternus.


ANYONE WHO FAILS TO UPHOLD THEM WILL BE
EXCOMMUNICATED

The Pillars are here for our safety.
The outside world (human or day side)
does not understand who and what we are.
Therefore, for your safety and the safety of the family
we must hold our traditions, codes and ethics with the highest regards.

The Covenant


1. Secrets

Secrets not only protect us from those that would cause us harm,
But they also bind us,
and give us a common ground.
The inner teachings should not be shared with any who are not part of the house,
or ready.
Community secrets are our unity.
The outer teachings are a tool for screening others into the family,
And bring us together.
Share your nature only with those who have the wisdom to,
Understand and accept it.
Learn to recognize these individuals.

Our secrets are our safety and unity.



2. Responsibility

We of Noctem Aeternus embrace the concept of,
respecting the Human /Day side worlds laws.
Though we are an international subculture without own codes of conduct,
we still live in there world.
NO member of the family should ever commit,
ANY illegal act which will bring shame, unwanted and unhealthy,
attention to yourself the house or the nation.



3. Minors

Some of us feel that the first signs of Awakening start at an early age.
yes in some of us this is true,
But the risk is to great for a misunderstanding.
Under no circumstances allow anyone under 18
to be initiated into a house of any kind, attend Quabals, undertake ordeals,
or gain access to any outer or inner teachings.



4. Our Mission

All of our kind are of the same great spiritual family.
We are all parts of the spiritual organism that is Elorath.
It is our job to our brethren to see past our differences,
and pull together and try and make something of ourselves.
In doing so we create jobs for those in our nation,
and set an example for the next generation.
Never force our way or will on another,
Doing so will weaken there love for the nation,
thus making it and us weaker.
Let them come to us.
if they feel the calling they will come.
Understand we come from all walks of life and faiths.
teach what you know and learn from them ,
no one has all the answers to who and what we are what you can.
we learn a little from each other and grow.
Our diversity is our strength
Am I my brothers keeper?
Yes I am.


5. Recognition

Respect! and recognize All! Vampyre,
Dark & Esoteric Organizations and Groups.
Our community is far to small to have conflict keep us apart.



6. Creation

Support and host Quabals,
open havens, start a business, encourage and support artist,
Dance, Performances, Rituals and all
forms of creative expression which will help keep the dark flame burning.
We are here to create a culture in which we can all
support each other and thrive at the fullest of our potentials.



7. The Pact

Honor, Chivalry and Loyalty
are benchmarks of Strigoi VII.
We seek to resurrect and express the empowering traditions,
of a long lost eras,
While consistently updating them for modern times.
We are all adults and should strive for a higher moral standard.


8. Respect

Always be civil even to your deepest enemy.
Resolve conflicts in private.
Confront those who have offended you,
directly and respectfully.
know that you have the right to protect your Honor , self ,Family and home
but do it with respect.
when in another's land know the laws and respect them.


9. Swans

We are to have two Swans and a mate.
Screen you Swans.
Let them understand they have to be clean.
cause it is not just there health at risk
but the health of the rest of the house as well.
When feeding sexually use protection.
Know that feeding is not only sexual!
When feeding from Blood make sure the donor is clean.
Never feed from the ill, elderly or young.
Never feed from some one else's swan without there permission.



10. Problems

Noctem Aeternus is not a role playing organization,
or society of fang wearing teenagers trying to be something they are not.
We are a secret society in that we maintain absolute,
confidentiality of our membership.
Noctem Aeternus is a neutral family within the,
Sanguinarium and Vampyre community,
we as a family do not get involved in the politics of other,
organizations or games of individuals.
If it has nothing to do with the house,
let it stay were it is.


11. Progress

All members of Noctem Aeternus are encouraged to contribute,
to the family and vampyre community with the fullest use of their
talents and skills.
there is no shame in running businesses for the benefit of the house hold.
Monetary stability provides power to achieve goals of the household.
we know you must start some where.
no matter what the job be, a job is a job.
but we in Noctem Aeternus strive to better ourselves.
Never settle for less then you are worth.

12. Family

We in Noctem Aeternus are a family,
and understand that family may not always see eye to eye.
Fights happen in family, words are said and deeds are done,
but what makes a family, a family is how it gets past the hurtful things and deeds,
that unites us.
Try to see thing through there eyes, and understand
why and what they are saying.
So you can better understand were they are coming from.
it is this diversity and open-mindedness that empowers us.
it is that view of the bigger picture that lets us see the cycles and,
commonalities of all in the house and nation.
To become blind to one of them would be to lose a piece of the puzzle.
We are family!
We are of the same mind and blood, let no one come between us!



13. Haven

Open your doors to our kin.
know that doing so will open the hearts of others,
and bring unity, Let our kin knows they have a safe place to rest,
when in our land.
If we can not trust our own kind ,
then who can we trust.



14. Your Word

Your word is your bond.
We of Noctem Aeternus put our Honor first.
If you say something mean it.
A man has nothing if he has not his word.
So when you say you will do something it will be done.


15. Knowledge

Noctem Aeternus is here to teach and learn.
We seek to better ourselves through,
researching who and what we.
One cannot learn if ones mind is not open.
Seek out to better your self in life.
progress is what we seek , how can we teach if we are not willing to learn.

There r no true laws !

interesting, I will keep these in mind.

I think it's really up to each individual to choose whether they want to abide by a certain set of rules or none at all. I've seen many types of rules ans laws that work for some and not for others - it all comes down to personal choice..

Nyx is right. In the end it all comes down to personal choice. There are any number of sets of so-called rules and laws out there within the various vampire communities, but in the end it is only you who can decide which if any are right for you.

And besides to borrow a quote from that great hollywood classic Pirates of the Carribean..." the Code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules".

After all if you choose to follow the laws that are out there or choose to ignore them all, there is no vampire police force that is going to send someone to your house to beat down your door and haul you off for refusing to obey.

I agree with Kaylanna's first post it depends on the clan itself.

There are probably many different laws like The Black Veil

I do think there is law between law of vampires but the laws will change between each clan.

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