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BelleIsra
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There has been a rumor/story going around my community (the Hmong-an ethnic group-community) for years. It pertains to individuals (being called vampires from the majority in my community) that have gone to funerals and feeding from the dead.

I, myself wonder why? I mean, in this day and age, there is no or little blood remaining in the corpse- just embalming fluids. And our funerals last days (and usually happen at least a week after death.) If common belief (that I have heard and read) that the soul leaves the body after 3 days, why would these so-called vampires be zeroing in on week-old corpses?

I tried looking up any concrete information- about these instances in newspaper reports, papers... and I found no information, beyond more rumors posted in blogs and sites.

It could just be that they are in fact rumors made to scare those in the community. I mean, it's always- a friend of mine, or my cousin.... was at the funeral when it happened, yet no one can tell me they were there themselves.

Anyone have anything to maybe clue me in on this phenomenon?




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that's just plain dumb......... it's a dry week old dead body leave it be.........



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and i always thought you shouldnt be feeding from the dead.



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I was also under the impression you do not feed of the dead. Besides that there is no life force left in something dead so you couldn't techinically "feed" off of it.



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06:18:18 Dec 10 2005
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Er- it wasn't me... I was just asking...



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Belle I don't think anyone implied that it was you. Or at least I didn't. :-)



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06:20:27 Dec 10 2005
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Lumina- thanks for that. :)



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You are welcome Belle.



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I am not surprised about this,and there are even nechropilias as you already know so feeding off the dead is not a new thing either.



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08:08:04 Dec 10 2005
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i guess I could see it that way... but why in front of crowds.. the wow factor?



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I seriously don't know...I would have left if I saw it.



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Agreed... Guess I'll never know



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08:17:38 Dec 10 2005
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I am sure I saw this on National Geographic's 'Taboo'... I am going to try and look it up~



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08:18:48 Dec 10 2005
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That would be awesome...



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I don't know about that one. I would really think that once the body has died, there is nothing left. Maybe there is for some people. Kind of scares me to think like that though!!!



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actually it is also said if someone feeds off of the dead they are assumed to be enemies of all things and should be killed for even vampires and everything else undead are not allowed to do such things like that. but it is also said not to feed off of another vampire either. but it can make you stronger or make you their slave.



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09:32:01 Dec 10 2005
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Well thats good to know... but like I said- it was all heresay..



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09:45:37 Dec 10 2005
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I found a couple vague references to this so far on the web- it is definitely something people are talking about. I have been searching my butt off for the last hour and a half... I will continue to march on this tomorrow. I know I can find something worth posting. I love getting 'homework' ;)



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09:46:31 Dec 10 2005
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Images.. YOU'RE awesome.. I look forward to it.. :)



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I also think that it is desrespectful and a bit er...gross.



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There is a lot of talk about this on the web- but no real facts to be found, unfortunately they don't talk about it in Wikipedia. It is obviously quite a 'legend' and part of Hmong folk stories, if not an actual practice. Many of the sites I found you had to have a password to get into to view the articles and threads- many of them were all forums. I can't seem to make them out because all I get are postings here and there like these, and reading them is like coming in to the middle of a conversation~

"I have heard that these cults to exist. I don't think that they are actual vampires. Don't Vampires suck or drink blood...hello..corpse don't have any blood..I think that its a cult that believes they do gain something out of doing this kind of act, but I do hear that they are pretty prominent in MN and CA. I hear that they are older folks like 50-70 ish and they wear all black, however it is a funeral but the most important thing is, is to not assume that all old people with dark clothing are after your dead relative. However if its that important to you to not have weird people view the corpse, then you gotta be more careful."

another forum post:

"I was at a my grandpa's funeral recently in Mn..and one actually appeared to visit. I've seen this one with my own eyes...of course they can be anyone but pay close attention when you're at a funernal..they only appear when there's hardly anyone around and they'll ask permission to see the corpes...it was around 3am and this little boy ages 10-12 came by and asked my mom for permission to see my granp, but without a doubt my mom new and was afraid that it's probably one of them vamp pple...so she aggressivly refuse and I yelled for my uncle to escorte that piece of crap out the building...My uncle asked him why would he come so early in the morning and where's his parents...he didn't answer and he wouldn't let my uncle escorte him out too....the good thing was that me, my mom and aunt guarded granpa and that vamp wasn't able to get close enough......"

another forum post:

"My grandmother was talking about vampires at the funeral she went to once and most of the brothers from my dad's side was over our house and the little kids(about 6 of em) were watching FEAR on MtV and my dad called my older brother and me over to the kitchen where they were discussing this, and my grandmother came over to me and I really wasn't paying attention because I was already scared out of my pants by watching the FEAR show and my grandmother had to make it worst by grabbing my shoulders and she acted as a vampire and was like getting ready to bite my neck. That was the scariest thing my grandmother ever did to me and she was speaking in Hmong about the vampire and stuff and I was like huh??? The other kids heard my grandmother as well and they were to spend the night over our house, but after hearing what my grandmother had said they all wanted to go home. But their parents made them stay over and we all slept here. But I had a hilarious dream with the vampires. They came in through the window in my room and I woke up and I quitely sneaked out and went into my parents room and grabbed the 7mm and shot the vampires..It's odd, yes it is."

an excerpt from a book called 'The Spirit Catches You And You Fall Down':

"no Hmong woman of childbearing age would ever think of setting foot inside a cave, because a particularly unpleasant kind of 'dab' sometimes lived there who liked to eat flesh and drink blood and could make his victim sterile by having sexual intercourse with her. "

Something else about blood drinking from a religious persecution site:

"Vietnamese Communist authorities and soldiers have forced many Hmong Christians to renounce their religious beliefs. The Communist authorities continue to force many people to "drink blood and renounce faith."




Hope this stuff helps a little? I don't know ;)



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10:57:50 Dec 10 2005
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So we've found the same kind of stuff- rumors in blog dites ;) Except for the excerpt from the book that speaks of 'dabs'... that may be an interesting read :)

I think most of these stories are found in books, not yet made it to the web.



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Gah..whether or not it's possible, while I might tell someone to have fun doing what they do, I'd certainly never. :)



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hn interesting...will ove to see what u's find on the subject



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Fangor
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Perhaps it's merely some gang related ritual



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Wow it is really hard to find any solid info on this phenomenon within the Hmong community on the net.I did find a site that describes a traditional Hmong funeral and it is clear to me that the dead are still thought to be alive in certain ways(or at least treated as such),and this may or may not explain why "vampires" feed off of their dead,anyways this is a link to that site if yo'll wanna take a look,or not lol...

http://www.csuchico.edu/~cheinz/syllabi/asst001/spring99/Lor/Hmong.htm



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I was tuaght you don't ever feed from the dead



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Wow... I heard of refreshments after an event. But never eating the guest of honor... that would be just rude. Well I guess the canabals have to eat.



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15:34:39 Dec 10 2005
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Ghouls are ones who feed off the dead. They are considered to be in the 'undead' family but are really distant cousins to vampires that nobody talks about. Ghouls are of low intelligence and are really little more than animals.



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well when ppl are buried sometimes there blood is usally drained and replaced with some perservative (my BFF works at a funeral parler) so most bodies don't even have blood left and second if they don't do that the bloods drains out in a week or too after buriel



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The dead are the dead, gone from this world. From their last breath they are but an empty shell. Feeding from them would yeild nothing. Just my opinion.



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^good point



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MysticWaves
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Wow thanks Images for the extra research in this post.

Belle I think you have a winning thread here.



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bows bless'ns 2u my dear

i have been fly'n around to find u a decent link to no avail

your issue may be related to an unclassifeid breed

not so much a vampyr
but a soul seeker

what i have found so far is that in most beliefs and religions the soul does not leave the body till some time after death

and again most of these believe the soul to be all of you in a form of energy

so a soul seeker could just be the myth

sorry i can not help you more

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The only dead thing I'm feeding off of is cattle.



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Well I know that "dab" loosely translates to monster. We have no Hmong word for vampire, ghouls, etc. And that we have a lot of stories on these dabs.

It is hard for me to discern whether or not there's any truth to it. I mean, following my shamanism upbringing, if I can believe that shamans can go to the "other-world" and battle evil spirits or cure illnesses... why would this be false?

A part of me wishes I could or anyone else could find more concrete information. But thanks Images, what you found was great! And thanks to everyone else who had input into this thread!



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it has been a custom in several groups to eat part of the dead family/friend in order for that person to live on in the rest of the members...



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Perhaps, but not in the Hmong culture. That is wayyy taboo.

And about that link posted earlier? From funerals in America- only part of what is posted is true (to my knowledge and experiences.) But thanks for the link.



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Many of us are giving opinions on what purpose this would serve and why would anyone do this- But it is being looked at from our cultural point of view. Their purpose may not be one we would imagine. DkillR: calling them possible 'Soul Seekers' sounds like a valid label- As Belle says, their is no known translation for vampire that she knows of. Their reasoning for this would be totally different- they are not following 'vampiric laws'~ they are not what we know as traditional to us~ they are Hmong.

Zuber~ another valid point, this happens (eating corpses) A LOT in Africa and India~ that I KNOW I saw on National Geographic's Taboo :)



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interesting.......



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that;s seriously dumb...



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Thank you for that as well Images. I have yet to come across anyone Hmong, besides me, who is interested in this subject. Not to say that there aren't, but I have an out- I married someone not Hmong, and am able to voice my opinion on this subject. Until then, it's a taboo subject to bring to my parents- they won't discuss it with me. And my sister is still too young in her training as a shaman to know much on this particular subject.



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THATS NASTY



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It is dumb. Because why would someone feed off the dead? That has no respect for those whove died



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the dead have no energy left that you could feed off from



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i feel sorry for the starving bastard that has to go through that



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I have never heard of this in this context. And certainly wouldn't stand by and watch someone try as well.



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well if its your way of life and your belief then its not really dumb..in my family its traditional to eat part of the placenta from the family member that gives birth..its a way to induct the child into the family and to keep evil spirits from hurting it...might seem wierd and nasty to some but its life for us



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If I am correct that is also true of the Hmong culture- in some societies so I read last night.

And again you make the good point--- people here are looking at it from our cultural perspective. Different cultures look at things differently- it's just the way it goes.

Maybe they are not drinking blood in their minds as much as they are feeding off a soul- maybe they believe that a fresh corpse still has a lurking soul. Or an 'energy' so to speak.



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Who am I to judge what they want to feed off of.



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Interesting topic...

I've been digging on it as well, and all I'm finding is myth & legend, no factual accounts.



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I am torn-

In one way, I was more sickened by the idea. The disrespect to the individual who passed as well as to the family and community as a whole (we're a tight knit community that have large extended families), certainly was disregarded. There is no reason (that we in the community can come up with) that the "vampire" would do this- especially during the funeral (which I say again, lasts an average of 4 days, 3 nights) where the body is NEVER left unattended.

On the otherhand, why would "vampires" feed this way? Wouldn't there be an easier way? It has always been a "Hmong vampire" that was the "culprit." If so, the Hmongs believe that the... Hmmm, on second thought, we believe that the soul doesn't leave til its returned to its place of birth (a ceremony done on the last night.)

I think I just answered my own question of why- Hmong people believe the spirit (would soul be interchangeabvle in this case?) is still present until it is returned. Would this be what the "vampire" is after?

Quite possible then.. but until I meet a Hmong vampire.. I guess I won't ever be sure...


BTW- we do not eat parts of the human body at all.. TABOO..



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Well, I think this subject has all died out..thanks for the input guys ;)



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