I have been in discussions with a previous website in the last month on the "Vampire Don Henrie". For those of you that do not know him he is a part of the vampire community. and some of the members have shunned him for his rule breaking attitude with reguards to the black veils Code of ethics. He is also known as the Vampire feature on the show Mad Mad house. I am just curious on what you all may think of this guy. personally from chatting with him a couple times I find him to be a very interesting individual, who keeps to his beliefs reguardless what others may think of him. Some in the community have shunned him, and some have embraced him. what are your thoughts?
I agree...I don't know who he really is but I think everyone should be able to do what they believe. It's what makes all different and really brings the community together.
Well here is his website... http://www.vampiredon.net/php/index.php
Also.. for those of you that have not read some of the code of ethics for the black veil here is the code that was broke.." 1. DISCRETION
This lifestyle is private and sacred. Respect it as such. Use discretion in who you reveal yourself to, and make certain that your motives are to truly communicate about our culture and to engender understanding. By no means should you talk to others about yourself and our community when your motives are for selfish reasons such as self-promotion, sensationalism, and attention-getting.
Do not hide from your nature, but never show it off to those who won't understand." Hope that helps a little bit
i know who he is. i loved that show because of him alone. i dont care whut others think of him he is pointing out a good direction for us vampires that people out there think that vampires are not even real unless they have to see it for real on tv but not in the movies. even though he is more like lestat but minus the music.
Well my point is.. reguardless is believ in what he has done or not.. there is a wide spread controversy with reguadrs to his mannerisms on that show.. On what his motives were. The fact that some believe that he opened up the world to our culture, but gained stardom in the light of it all. That is where the question lies.. What are your personal views on an individual using the subculture for personal gain. And is that what Don Henrie did?
well, i don't generally shun anyone unless they piss me off, but i'm not totaly sure about this case
i wish i could talk to him he seems like a really cool guy and i LOVED Mad Man house.
well I won't shun him and I don't really care to meet him but I might change my mind some other time and actually get an intrest in him
My best friend has the entire show on tape and fel in love wiht Don...actually I do not believe that he shpui;d be shunned because at least he ahd the nerve to go out there and do what others wouldn't.
If he did it merely to become famous, then I don't condone his actions, but I don't know anything on the matter, so I can't really comment on it.
it was a good show really like the part were he had every one drink blood. I think he is for real not a poser
I respect him for having the strength to come forward about vampirism and in general, being himself. I do admit that a portion of what he shows and does is purely for shock value or to attract attention to himself (make him more popular with people in general).
I read somewhere that Don used to be an electronics engineer of some sort. From that point, I believe that to some degree Don used his vampirism to help himself out socially (I can't prove that, but it is a theory of mine).
As a fellow vampire, I commend him for being as forward and as open as he is.
don't know why Don went on 'house' in the first place. He may have his own reason.
And don't blame everything on him. I have talk to famous people before, trust me on this one, blame the producers of the show. They are ones that control everything once the contract is sign.
Don is so hamburger. Goddess I hope they shut him up. lol **Evil Grin** But, I think Greed made him do MadHouse. So....
Hey, everyone is entilited to thier own beliefs and opinions. even tho i think he's just full of..well...you can guess
-lover zani
-by the by, no offense meant
There was no Offence. To the statement I made Above. But, come on Why try if you can't keep the First rule. And he's still so Toast.
Well, I am kinda torn on my opinion as far as Don on MMH. I fealt that he didn't sensationalize what he was, he showed an honest portraryal of who and what HE was.
The big debate from a lot of people I know is that the mundanes (normal people) will view Don as the standard. Many of us look nothing like Don, and some of us are a complete oppisite of the sterotype. Can't always tell by looks.
But as far as with Don personally, I never met the man, but he seems well spoken and intelligent.
Wow ! I would never shunn anyone for their beliefs. That would be kind of make me a hypicrite. Cos I never judge anyone. I have no knowledge to this person but he seem like he knows what he is doing. Societies eyes are not that of my own and shame on them for being so not understanding. They may not like his beliefs then and thats ok to disagree but to be spiteful and segregate him that is just B/S.~NFA
There always needs to be someone who is willing to step out and try to promote the community in a good light. I haven't read anything he has done or talked to him, so I do not know if he really is good for the community or not. Yet, no matter what, like I said, we always need a face man.
- Sin
Guardian of Secrets
Scholar of the Condition
Member of House Aeterno
Council Member to House Nocturn
There was a topic about Don Henrie posted here a bout a month or less ago..if you go to Forum Search and put his name in it should pull the thread up..He is not someone i'm to familar with to be honest but he has a following in the vamp scene and well he did step up to the plate by being under the eye of the media being on mad mad house i don't see to many others in the vamp scene agreeing to go on tv in the public spotlight being scoped out what they do daily,but then again some ppl live to be in the spotlight ..He has a nice fashion statement about him and his make up is well done ...he's got a following alot of it woman who lust for him because of his vampish looks and dress and how he carries himself ..but i do not judge him.
I just state what i see or read or hear from others ..on a personal level i know nothing of him, on a public level you get what you see is what i my motto :)
I think you really need to know a lot about someone, or to actually meet them to even have the right to consider sunning them. Not everyone sticks to the rules all the time...
* applauds * I am very happy to read all the insight on what everyone feels. Those that are not judgemental I congratulate you for making your statements. It is very hard to so open minded in this day and age. I have gotten the privilege to talk with the vampire don in a chat room a couple times. And his take on things is that the community hides in the shadows.. everyone is so afraid of being chatised and burned at the stake by the public and media. He was weary about the mad mad house idea. But went for it reguardless what his House would think of him. Like I said soem call him a traitor, and some call him a martyr. I personally do not agree with some of his ideals and I will not become an avid member of his cult following. But as someone mentioned on here... Some Rules are meant to be broken reguardless of the outcome. How can we grow as a community if we continue to hide behind the walls. BREAK THOSE WALLS! State your purpose and make it known. It is our job to educate those who are oblivious to the culture, and educate those that believe the white wolf fairy tale as a reality. The Vampire Don has done this and it was due to his familiarity that our culture got such a rise. Thank you all for your imput!
he is intersting yes but he is also breaking the rules
Michen the difference is this website seems to be a basis for the goth and vampire community. The show that Vampire don went on was based on all public. All walks of life either watched the show or knew of its existence at one point. and The vampire don brought the communtiy out more into the "open" Publics Eye. I see what you are saying.. But I feel the occult and vampire websites communicate more towards eachother in the community other than educating those that are not aware of our reality.
OK...
For those that feel he is stepping beyond the code of ethics which he himself subscribes to, try taking it from another point of view that I was recently shown myself when I too criticised the level of media exposure which 'true' vampyres are now being subjected to.
Apologies for the cut and paste of this excerpt from a post elsewhere, but, it was said better than I ever could.
"...The cat's already out of the bag. In starting to come together as a community over the past fifteen or so years, in creating a sizable web presence so we can communicate with one another, in throwing events where we can meet and interact face-to-face, we have already "come out." We might not have realized we were doing it at the time, but we have made enough of a presence that others outside our community have taken notice.
In 1996, due to the Susan Walsh case and the Rod Farrell murders, that notice was none too sterling. That was the year of the Rikki Lake show as well. Lady DarkRose was on that one, practically having a screaming match with Konstantinos, who Lake seeded in the audience because he had written a book against vampires (you might know it as "Vampires: the Occult Truth).
From that point, if not before, the media has known we are out there. Knowing we are here and interesting and controversial, the media will not just leave us be. Vampires make good television. We have strange fashions, we listen to weird music, we do things like feed on energy and drink blood. We are everything the voyeuristic culture in the golden age of grotesque wants to stare at and gossip about and hate while it secretly wishes to be us.
Figuratively and literally, we've spilled blood. There's no turning the media hounds off the scent. Our best hope at this point is to present as good face to the world that would stare and mock us. If members of the community who cannot handle the pressure of being on camera in an intense interview try to step up to the task, we'll look like idiots. If it's left to the glory hounds who will feed the media any line of bull just to get attention, we'll look even worse. So there's little choice but for a select few of us to get very good at doing interviews, presenting a respectable face, answering the questions with grace and ease -- even when they attempt to take us down dark roads and bait us, just to see us crack..."
- M. Belanger
This, coming from the person that was the essential driving force behind the veil, for me, retrospectively forgives Mr Henrie of any perceived 'sins' in his 'breaking the code'.
I want to say that is a very good point. Michelle Belinger is briilliant in her books and I have also read that she herself has forgiven the vampire don for his doings and others as well. she is a wonderful person. And that quote is right. But you see some of the things mentioned were done by what I would percieve as a Gaja.
I'd like to find some show clips of this vampire.... if anyone knows of the, link me.
if you do not know who this is, please do not post post here.
Some people do, some don't I'm sure.
I've just never had the chance to see him in the show-- but I know of him all too well. I just want to watch mannerisms, personally.
i find him interesting yet i do not think he was wise to make the decision he did he brought our world and some of our secrets out when he had no right to do so... although in all honesty i coudl understand why he may have dont so but still breakign the rules is a no-no......
Thre are as many rules as there are sects, regions, and vampiric societies.
I feel his coming forward would, perhaps show others not to be as afraid in the darkness and brace hope all all is lost.
I lost a very, very beloved friend because of our ways. I'll never recover him, and I still write his email even though he no longer exists.
you know you might also want to check you local video store they might have some of the series available for rent.. Hope that helps!
It's certainly worth a shot. I'll snoop when I've the time and see.
For the wording of the veil, for Don's defense somewhat. The original 13 paragraphed black veil had said that they were [b] guidelines [/b] and not rules.
You did not have to obey them if you wanted to be the evangelistic styled vamp and make yourself a public figure. Maybe this has been forgotten amongst all the other seriousnesses of the lifestyled community but Don broke no rules because these preciou rules of yours, which you seem to follow to a T are just that... Guidelines..Not rules.
So what if he didn't follow a guideline? I'm tendancied to agree with the one who posted M. Bellanger. You, by being on this site, which is easy to find, which promotes Vampires in *ALL* aspects, bring publicity to yourselves right here and now.
Oh and to clear this, I follow the Veil as a guideline. The original stated it was a guide line and not actually rules. Only this latest version was made rules, and personally... If M. Bellanger and Father Tood ( aka Vincent ) are going to post books, sell t-shirts, and promote vampiric thing. Hold balls and advertise... Let's cruify and critise them too... Because they do too what Don has done.
What have you say to these I put againt you?
Now my rant is over, I'm satisfied...
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Vix
LOL.. Good that you got that out. If you are pointing accusations at me First I would ask that you would read what I have written before accusing. I do not follow the black Veil. And I am not in a house. What I brought here was for discussion basis.. Not to offend. And I have mentioned before i am pretty much non partisan to the idea of what he did. reguardless if it were to hurt tghe community or not. Maybe I did not mention before What I stand for.. So here it is.. I am an active member in the community. I choose to not follow any house.. I am extremely open minded, and love a good debate. If that helps any...
Thats fine, rant all you want Vix. You see us exposing ourselves in one light, yet have I given my real name any? Have I gone out, or any others of the condition and shown our lives and thoughts to the Actual news Media? No, you still have to search for this information, for what we represent, for what I tend to do and try to do.
We follow the Veil to the same extent and know not to over step the bounds of promoting ourselves out in the open. This isn't out in the open, sure it might be easily accessiable to the public, yet they have to look for it.
We don't go around screaming out what we are. This is what the Black Veil tended to say when it gave the guidline to keeping ourselves low keyed.
Also, Corpus was trying to bring up a conversation, not a rant fest. If you want to rant that all of us on this site, on Darkness Embrace, and any other online Vampyre Community is breaking the guidlines to the veil, then please do, just not in a thread that is meant to give a chat basis.
- Sin
I know very little of him and he probably is an interesting and intriguing individual. I do not think he was right in breaking the rules of the code, but there will always be someone who feels we should no longer hide in what call fear.
He's a very intellectual individual, and even though he may have revealed his true nature, he shouldn't be shunned. He puts his own life at risk because of this, and I think he's very brave!
I've spoke to him, and he's soo sweet, and an amazing person! He deserves the same treatement as the rest of us!
well discretion is kinda hard now aint it? i mean alot of poeple have heard of vampires and they have seen movies i mean its not like its a new thing i dont think anyone should shun someone just because they make themselves known i mean i would shout to the skys about who i am but i would get yelled at by the old folks living around me and they aree mean people
PLease read Scion Of requiems response to this in reguards to the meaning behind discretion.
It would be nice if people would pay attention to Crazywolf's request too.
The guy has done nothing that warrants the level of personal attacks I've seen against him across the net, imo.
As far as I know, he has only done what Sebastian Todd has failed to do. Which is give a good idea of what the life of the awakened is.
- Sin
The Black Veil Codes are merely guidelines. There are NO "rules" in vampyrism. Self-discovery is the essence of being a vampyre/vampire. How someone chooses to express that discovery is based on conscious. I may not agree with Don Henrie or even like him for that matter, but I will defend his RIGHT to portray himself as he wishes. I live my vampirism out in the open. I try to use wisdom and discretion in order to portray our kind in a good light. However, what the "community" dictates will not determine how I live my life. The Black Veil is a good GUIDELINE to follow, but they are not meant to "rule" the vampire/vampyre community.
agree.... dont know him, but from what u have said i agree
Well, I'm glad to see that people have varying views and that they can allow someone to have their say. Though Corpus, this was no direct attack on anyoine in particular, or I would say their name and call them out.
Here, on VR, I look for no arguement, I merely pointed out that some people were quite happy to put down Don's attempt but did not see that they themselves had done roughly the same thing, even if they had not quite exactly said the words " I am a vampire " in public, or on here.... I also was pointing out similiarities between this website and what Don had done... Participation wise.
I hope this is clearer now.
Sin, yes, I have said rant and I was reffering to the length of the post in comparison to most of what I see running around. I have explained above what I meant, pointing out etc.
People may need to search this website out, and the others, but in a sense they are advertising a community that is still large, and bringing it out into the open. If I read correctly above too, they need to search quite hard to find this Mad Mad House show too... So similiarties are everywhere if one cares to observe and notice them instead of taking face value.
Do not take this as an attack on anyone.
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Vix
lol, don the vampire is the biggest joke. so was that show mad mad house. what people would do for attention.................
Dont know anything about the person but his comunity sajt page taht was linked was like a nest of rules!!
Well the topic of secresy is in my mening cindof outdated..
We happen to live in world where information is core of the sociaty -ewry sociaty almoust ewry cultuor is depending on the good information..
Sow why the hec be more secrative than is neded for ceping the things rely neded to be secret secret...
Moste often information can be given without harm cause to understand the information you ned "enlightment" in some way..
Certenly many feel that they gain a certain feling of closness when being secrative but in many ways you yust exlude your self from the other world.. a helthy balnce i what is neded:)
I appreciate what you said Vixen. And for those The Black veil is based for A code of honor. No it is not rules, and it is not expected that everyone in the community follow them. But you see Don Henrie is a part of father Sebastians group, and iti s expected out of honor to follow the code. He has been forgiven, and this post was not to irradicate any more blasphemy. I just wanted to bring the topic up to see what others might have viewed. i have enjoyed this whole post. It has given me a look into what members of this site view Vampirism and has given me a reason to become active here once again. I am going to message an admin and ask that this post be closed.