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Ok, I have seen quite a few threads on Ghost, and Supernatural topics, but Since I live in Western Oregon (5th Generation) I feel that more discussion should be made of Bigfoot. Please share your feelings on this subject whether your not you feel they exist or are fake. In addition, if anyone has actually seen a Sasquatch or simular please share that too. As for me, I have never actually seen one, but do feel that they exist. There is way too much open space in Oregon and the other Pacific Northwest States to say that it doesn't have any natural habitat still.




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I cannot say yes or no...As I have not witnessed one in the flesh...However the evidence for their exsistance is pretty well documented



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12:35:20 Feb 04 2006
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I agree but unfortunately, so have all of the fakes. In the last few years, the big "Film" of the Bigfoot in Cali was admitted to be fake.



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Unfortunately that is the way of the world. As soon as something unexplainable comes along a million other fake ones appear..

I call it the I wannabe Syndrome



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I would like to think that thier was ...It is documented that thier is traces of Big Foot in Tibet also .........From creditable Mountaineers i shall do a search and see what i come up with i have a few mountaineering books and sure i read it in some of them........



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Just last year some time there was this big stink about a hunter form a town not to far away from here that caught footage of bigfoot. but like all the others it was a blurry video. funny how that always seems to happen when bigfoot or nessy is caught on tape.



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is this vampire related????? i think u got this in the wrong forum ....i think its should be in sandbox..........but there was a whole special on opb where the guys admited it was a fake they started



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True, though I have to say that the thought of bigfoot really made me walk home fast from Grade School. Our Driveway was a mile and 2 tenths long in a canyon in the Willamette Valley in Rural Oregon. I mean once while walking home my twin and I saw a 3 foot long Nutria walking up the driveway while we were walking down.



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Maybe it would be advisable to contact one of the staff to move the thread before it gets closed



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No one can ever be sure of something until there are proofs (either saying it does or it doesnt exist).
Until the anyone will be 100% sure of something, we can only wonder.



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Yes was looking at my books and found it in Sir Edmund Hillary's biography he found footprints at 15000 ft and has photographs...........I did a quick search and just the usual footprints people seeing human like figures in the distance all between the region of 15000 and 20000 ft .........And the usual local storys nothing confirmed thier .............


I would still like it to be true though



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13:10:10 Feb 04 2006
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Wow, wouldn't it be awesome if Hillary was proved right?



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14:10:36 Feb 04 2006
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Figments of imagination in my book



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I believe that bigfoot exist. Don't need proof of anything. But then what is bigfoot? Is he the last of the cavemen? It could be a big hairy guy that is lost in our new world. Same goes for yeti. Which are know as the abonible snowman. (Don't know if I got that spelled right) Which to me is bigfoot that lives in the polar regions.



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well i beive it is real and i have not seen him/her in person but i have seen the creatures australia has that are suposedly myth so i will say i belive



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I saw ...what I believed to be a Bigfoot when I was 10,in the mountains of WVa



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well i cant say if its real or its just a prediction about a big bear before but i think its true cause many reasearcher that invistigating about that bigfoot is well documented



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Real, but I bet it isn't what we expect it to be.



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Like King Kong maybe?



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18:56:59 Feb 04 2006
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Hmmm. Believe it when I see it. Then I'll shoot it and bring it to the media for some hardcore public humiliation.



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now, my question- why is bigfoot considered a sandbox thread, but ghosts and lycans are general worthy? shouldnt those be in sandbox too then?

whether or not bigfoot is real.. no need to make the idea of them any less real then ghosts or lycans..

i believe in ghosts.. but lycans? ill believe THAT when i see it too..

but in my defense, i believe in the possibility..

bah! haters.. lol


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22:20:02 Feb 04 2006
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*BIG NOTE-

I moved the thread back up here.. :P



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I can't really say for certain..without a live capture..I don't think anyone can. Sort of like God..until he speaks to the world..He's just a rumor.

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I don't belive in big foot i think that if there is such a thing that it is a human with a deforminty that is afraid of humanity.



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Any one who doubts these creatures google gigantobificus(I think thats how you spell it.) I saw a documentary on these creatures on the history channel called The Real King Kong.

Gigantobificus was a distant relative of the chimpanzee and from the jaws and teeth that have been recovered in asia is estimated to have stood twelve feet tall.

Unfortunantlly due to the age of the fossils only jaxs and molers have survived and the bones are too old for reliable dna testing.



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I Can't Say Yes Or No.
I've Seen The Shows That Talk About Bigfoot..
But Im Not That Convinced...



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i think that bigfoot could be real but also i've never seen enough proof to say that he/she is real also i've never seen enough evidence to say that bigfoot isn't real



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Bigfoot could possibly exist. However, it would seem to me that some evidence. Some bit of hair or excretion would have been found. With today's DNA technology it could possibly be determined whether it exists or not.



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i'm with KissXofXDeathX on this one. if Big Foot really did exsit then it would just be a human with a deformity. unlike other humans that have defities that are on their face, hands, or torso, this so called "Big Foot" would be just like other ppl with a deformity, just with hisher feet.



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Impossible to be a human as i say thier are ones in Tibet around the 15000 to 20000 ft range we could not survive at this height it is to cold ..........Death Zone



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i would simply have to answer, "anything is possible", one must always keep an open mind to all things lest he should allow his mind to become closed to those things he wish it not be closed to.



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Geser, I am with you. First of all to those that say where is the proof. Native American Tribes in the Pacific NW of the US, have many stories about the Sasquatch, that go back centuries. In addition, "Bigfoot" stories can be found around the world, and sightings have been recorded for eons. As for excretions, well I would say that it does make sense. With all of the uninhabited land especially in the west, if there is only a small population of these creatures, that would make the likelyhood of finding evidence much slimmer.



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it is highly possible. i would not be able to say yes or no. anything is possible!



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Well, I am from West Virginia. I have had 2 experiences with something, that I believe was Bigfoot. First, on the way home coming around a bend, my husband and i noticed weird eyes in front of us, out in the field. As we approached, before our headlights got to it, the eyes went from about 3 or 4 foot off the ground, to 8 or 10 feet, in a split second. Like it stood up. The eyes were about 10 inches apart and red. My husband, an avid hunter, locked the doors. I asked him if it was a bear and he shook his head. Your call.
The other incident is too long for me to put in here, I will go and type it into my journal, so everyone can read it.
Thing to remember, I live near Point Pleasant, West Virginia. For those of you who aren't familiar with my area. Its most famous for THE MOTHMAN. I am orginally from NY and moved to WV. They are full of legends, lore and stories around here, but being an avid hunter, I'm not going to take a guess what was out in that field.



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I think it's at least possible. I will say, however, that I find it funny how many say they believe in ghosts, but will dismiss the idea of Bigfoot because 'There's been no live capture or DNA evidence.'

When you really think about it, there is just as much tangible evidence to support the idea of Bigfoot as there are for spirits. Most scientific data gathered that might prove the existence of ghosts can just as easily be written off as any number of naturally occurring anomaly's.

I see it this way, until someone proves that this creature 'cannot' exist, then the possiblity remains.



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Until I meet a bigfoot, not real.



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im a myth...err...I mean Bigfoot is a myth!



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Ok here is what happen .....

It was Feburary, just after an ice storm, so the ground was covered in a crunchy snow. I had put my two dogs out, a lab and a beagle/dashund mix. About 30 minutes later, I heard them barking, but it was not any bark that i recognized. It was a high pitched yip, with a deep deep growl. I looked out and saw them. Each dog had stretched their lines as far as they could go, away from the shed. Their hair was standing up, their teeth bared, but their tails were between their legs. Not thinking anything at first, I went out and unhooked them and for once, neither tried to run. They both went to the front door and started digging at it, to get inside. As I let them in, I looked over toward the shed, which at the time was covered with a substance that is similar to bamboo. Very hard to get through without a machete. I noticed a movement and saw a shadow, next to the shed. It was at least 8 feet tall, since our shed is only 12 feet. I close the door and walked to the edge of the railing toward it and I watched it push the bamboo out of the way and crash down the side of the ravine that surrounds our house.
I went inside and told my hubby, a town cop at the time, that someone was messing over at the shed. He went and got his flashlight, pistol, extra magazines and his portable and walked out side. I pointed and the shadow was back but again No sound from it. As my husband, attempted to hit it with the flashlight, again it went crashing down the ravine. My husband called for back up and told me to get more flashlights. When the cop on duty showed up, they split up. Each went to either side of the house. Again remember there is a ravine on 3 sides of my house, at about a 40 degree downslope. Also, remember the ice storm. This ravine is something hard to do on a good day, but with the ice, I felt it was impossible.

Both my hubby and the cop, pulled their guns, announcing who they were but they got no response. No giggle, No grunt, we didn't even hear whatever it was breathing. For about 45 minutes, we listened to whatever it was, walk back and forth between us, about half way up the slope. I whisped to the cop, ummmmm how many footprints do you hear? He listened and held up 2 fingers to me. At that point, hubby joined us and they decided to leave whatever it was alone. As we walked back to the front of the house, we heard it crashing up the ravine toward us. Hubby and i ran into the house, the other cop to his patrol car. The cop hit his spotlight but said all he saw was something brown and big.
I asked my husband what he thought it was and he shook his head, refusing to tell me. Finally, he told me of a time his friends and him went sledding down the opposite side of the ravine and all 3 of them got the feeling they were being watched. Finally, they pinpointed it was coming from the treeline and when they got there, they found the big footprints that are famous. These 3 16 year olds got a flashlight and decided to track it. They followed its prints all over the town, and then they led to the woods. At that point, one of them made the comment, "Ummm, what are we going to do if we find this thing with just a flashlight?" So, they broke off the tracking. The footprints were descibed to be bigger by several inches than my hubby's 12 inch boots. Approx. 18 inches. And sank into the snow at the time, approx 3 to 3.5 feet. The strides were longer than any of them could accomplish, my husband being the tallest at 6 foot. Well, there is my bigfoot story. I'm not sure if it was one, but at this point nobody could tell me what it was. Oh well.



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CHORDEWA nice story, but when and where did this happen?



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What a story!...and you guys weren't even afraid!?!...I can't say that I believe in Bigfoot...I haven't seen anything that would make me think something like that existed...except for the stuff in the media that is always turning out to be hoaxes...these are not very reliable sources.



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I say not real, but if he is real, he has probly died of old age by now.



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i believe they are real because like you said there is wide open uninhabited spaces so you know theres no telling what else is out there



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Nice idea, though I think that it is more than one "he" since stories and sightings have been worldwide, it would have to be different species all over the world not just one.



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I feel that Bigfoot is real, i dont now why but i do. Just b-cuz nobody has "seen" him duzint mean that Bigfoot duzint exist. I just have a feeling Bigfoot exists.



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Read my above post. There is your evidence that such a creature at least existed once. Even if you can dismiss every one that claims to have seen it as craskpots you can't dismiss the bone evidence.

One of those molars is the size of my thumb.



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You know.

If you consider logic, we have to assume that most of the more famous rumors of beings existing are simply urban legends that have gone untamed.

We can't assume that everything we predict to exist.

(vampyres is another story, since there is more evidence of their existance, aside from the one standing behind you ready to drink :P)
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(Made you look!)

Heres another question. Although its already been emphasized by many so far,... what the hell does Bigfoot have to do with Vampyrism!? O.o!

You are assuming that bigfoot has similar conversing value as vampyres! Seriously! Thats just insulting on their behalf!



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I am a third generation Pacific NW inhabitant and used to believe in Bigfoot but since the video was proven to be a fake I do not believe anymore. Also, there may be a lot of uninhabited territory around here but it has all been explored and it is flown over daily. So, no, there is not Bigfoot, at least not now, in 2006.



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i sware hes just a huge ape!



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can not say yes, and can not say no, i mean ive never seen "big foot" but i usualy dont believe until i see with my own two eyes :P



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nteresting info, I'm going to be in ca soon, I might drive up and look about



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Okay so my spelling was a bit off but here is evidence that a sasqautch like creature at the very least did exist at one time.

here



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adam,


I am agree that there hasn't been any hard proof or evidence, but there is a possibiltiy that he does exist. There is a whole area of study about the Sasquatch and others "Crytozoology". I also tend to take more credence in the fact that stories and sightings do back way before the whiteman in the Northwest, not to mention stories from other parts of the world. Though I do have to say again good point, and great article.



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bigfoot is like everything else some will say yes and some will say no.I like it could be true but i am not that sure



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I believe anything is possible- I would be excited if we were able to get the facts we all would want.

There are always 'new' species popping up- usually when they do, we know where to find them and they are in the open from then on---- but in this circumstance, it has never happened.

On thing that sticks out for me though- if Bigfoot was real, wouldn't we have found a corpse, or skeleton by now? Unless they have this tradition amongst the Bigfoot peeps that they chop them into tiny pieces and eat them bone, fur and all. Even then- they all have to 'make waste' and scientists would have found and studied the excrement, finding this previously unfounded DNA. Or they live for hundreds of years, outrageous lifespan just as outrageous as their being. But evenso, there are always accidents and fights that cause death that would even shorten that crazy lifespan.

I would love to get some proof. It is only skeptical because there are so many shady humans. We can't truly believe it because we have deemed ourselves not always credible.



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By the way- I did see your post eviladam about the fossils- but today, if they are still living we would be finding a skeleton by now far fresher than fossilized.

A Bigfoot wouldn't be too wild of a thought- we have giant beings, polar bears, elephants, giraffes...

What is a wild thought is that the beings are to be so human-like... how did they escape evolution?

Or- could some animals also suffer from 'acromegaly', a hormonal disorder that results when the pituitary gland produces excess growth hormone. ??? Like Andre the Giant had.



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Brilliant article and confirms the possibility of Yeti in Tibet with fossils found in China

When i get time maybe tonight i shall have a look for Folklore from the tibetian culture as i am interested in that culture anyway...

Great stuff



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Sorry i forgot to say... I live on the Ohio River in West Virginia. lol About 15 minutes from Point Pleasant where the Mothman is suppose to reside



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Yes, and so's Nessa and the Adorable Snowman. LOL!



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i think that he could exist. like it was said oregon is a big place.. if not a lot of people said that i look like bigfoot(cause i am hairy). so mabye it is me all along.. lol



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i really dont believe in it till i see it with my own eyes.



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i do believe in bigfoot, and just like all amazing and unexplainable things..there are those people out there that want to ruin the credibility of others by pulling pranks.
i live in southern cali and being as its a desert, we dont have bigfoot sightings..but i do believe



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Anything is possible reguardless of if you can prove it or not. It is sad to see so many "producing" fakes to discredit something that might be real.

But untill we can say for sure, yes or no, all that can be said is.. maybe.. and for me.. maybe is good enough.

Gota love posibilities.



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yeah i think in SOCAL you are not gonna find a hairy person in a desert.. talk about stink sweat.....



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http://www.rfthomas.clara.net/bf_video.html

Some Good stuff altho i could not get the video to play ......If you get it to work please post what codec you used ....

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i belive it is plausable

there si no way to search the entire woods

like a deer it does not sleep where it eats it travels
the sightings could have been while it was foreging for food

a wild animal will usuall bed where there is a large amount of cover but it can still get out qiuckly if need be



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i think ive seen one and i think they ar real



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I wouldn't be surprised if they were discovered to be real. So far they have managed to avoid capture and to be honest I hope they stay that way.



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I'll take the agnostic approach and say that it is possible that Bigfoot really exists.



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Lol...bigfoot? real? please.....children...

:P...
((Barbie...Eat Your Heart out.))



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thats so hilarious cuz yeah i live in oklahoma where many "sitings" have been...lol... but when i was in Ada, OK, my friends and I decided to go Bigfoot hunting....lmao!!! we drove all over from like 9pm til like 3am because that is when sitings have been supposedly... lol we never saw anything and we went all over... to places where reports had been made... so i am still unsure of this



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I think he's real i can't say no because there has been proof of some sorta thngs but hey it's all good.



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non existant



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Thank you for all your imput into this thread. I wish that we could have more documented sighting of Sasquatch, but as many said, he / she seem elusive.



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