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This may get RIP'd but I want to ask this question anyway. I have heard that any negative spell cast comes back to injure the one casting the spell, or the one who has ordered the spell be cast. Is this true? In other words if I want to cast a spell on a particularily crappy neighbor to cause him grief or even death.... will it come back on me?

(This guy had a cherished member of my family killed....yes he was a cat...but he was one of the family and my kids especially will miss him terribly.)

As a psychic and spiritualist my beliefs are that anything negative thought, or emotion will bring negative energy therefore attracting negativity to u. So yes my beliefs are the same as many magikal spellcasters i know. They say that anything u put out there comes back to u, so never do anything out of anger or hatred and never send any spell to harm someone as it will come back to u 3 times worse.

A better spell may be for judgement for their misdeed . Personally I think if they deserve it , they deserve it and have had no ill affects from anything I have done . Then again I have done spells equal to the deed and as I said they deserved it .
I do not do spells much for I like the person I am out to get to know exactly who has done what . Uusally a spell is an only resort for me . I am a warrior and like to handle things eye to eye . Revenge is a dish best served cold . As well I think the less spells you do the more powerful the ones are you do .

HARM NONE

Whatever you put out there, it will come back and it be hell to pay, and you can't stop it, you will have to ride it out.

playing a game on others of any sorts leads to retribution, believe me, even if we do not exact revenge, even the most evil have a conscience at the end of their lives. They know the footsteps they have plodded and plotted the destruction of others in.

The devil hates himself, and it is because he hates himself that he bares ill will on others. Do you think the devil is happy making people miserable? maybe momentarily, even the devil was once an angel, if he cannot have heaven, he will give all hell, because his fate is to skew destinies. Satan is sad for sure, an outcast like the rest.

Putting sticks into the spokes of wheels in other peoples lives because of envy of their joy, is a kind of a spell, even if it has no magic, there is a strange magic when someone carefully undermines the life you have constructed, it puts you under a spell, that makes you wish you were dead at the end. If we see why they did what they did to us before we go to the ends of the earth through self destruction to figure out why, then we wouldn't take the soul trip that leads to doom in the first placed. They are false magicians, trying to put their bad spell of unhappiness on you. You need not revenge, do not make them like evil like they do, then they have won. Cut your loses and move on the best you can. Reincarnate yourself....

So if I understand everyone correctly... This guy's action against my beloved pet, and therefore against myself and my family...will definately come back to litterally haunt him in a real and tangeable way. All I want is justice.... well I want justice to the 10th power actually...heh.

Well Mrd in many ways I agree with what you say. Given that your point of view is indeed fact... then if it were not for man's self-imposed laws, I could just walk over next door and blow his fevered brains all over his nice clean kitchen floor without any repercussions from any entity whatsoever. Quite tempting. I always thought of Karma as nothing more than Cause and Effect. Cause and Effect being the cornerstone of existance and of annihilation.

I, of course, could not openly advocate such a course of action..but indeed you are correct. Though it might be good to consider perhaps that a human life vs the life of a cat might not have the same exchange rate..expecially with local authorities. :) Children heal over time..perhaps you should just get a kitten to brighten the mood.

That's assuming this schmuck is actually human....lmao. I hear what you're saying. And I'm not saying I'd ever do that. But I wouldn't shed a tear if some of my old Sicilian familia fed him to the sharks either!! Lu Sangu Lava Lu Sangu!

Spells are nothing to take lightly. Never do a spell to harm anyone. Intentionally hurting someone is going to get the spell to reverse onto you or someone you love. Never mess around with that stuff. First rule in my craft.

in buddhism its called Karma, what you get will come back to you..even if its years later, and as a Wiccan, i believe in this strongly and so do others i know from experiencing it, so yes, you will be harmed if you do this kind of spellcasting

Does not the expectation of impending doom also increase the likelihood that something bad will happen to you?

Yeah but there has to be some sort of "get out of jail free" card when it comes to giving someone what they so sincerely deserve!! Do we just lay down and allow ourselves to be doormats for the assholes that shit on us?

That all depends on what country you live in. :)

I live in the land of perpetual ignorance and insanity, more commonly known as the USA.

YES
"Eight words the Wiccan Rede Fullfill
An Ye Harm None Do As YE WILL"

There is the rule of 3 to think about. Good or Bad it Will come back. Karma has a way of catching up to us and sometimes even catches up to us in the next life time.

As long as I know he's gonna get what's coming to him I'm content.

Whether you call it karma or something else, anything negative towards another person can come back to haunt you.

i too believe that life is all cause and effect. if there was indeed such reprecustions in this world there would not be so much death and destruction...i think life is what you make it and if you are bad to others they are likely to be bad to you....try a smile it never killed anyone. =)

Kill them with kindness. :)

I'd do something to make the bad karma he deserves catch up with him...I wouldn't play judge, jury and executioner....I'd try a spell that would call for him to get what he deserves at the earliest so i could be satisfied that something was done...

or bind him from doing it again to you or another

Counts on the reason why. If the spell is equal to the crime then nothing bad should happen to you. But if it isn't then the law of three will happen. What ever you do..good or bad comes back three times fold.

Such basic answers for this question, why not take a vampyric stance on the matter, and say, "i am justified in doing this, and i evoke all the laws of karma to aid me in my work to bring justice to (X)"

if you are truly justified, and know the laws, and logic of the universes then you wont get shit back, but a price will be paid by you, to get what you want.....

Most belive there is the law of the three ford law.

Whatever you do comes back to you much worse.

That's why spellscasting is not a joke.

magic now this is what im talking about you must not mix negativity with positivty
You must be well alanced in order for thee magic to work folks
example.
If your gonna wana make it rain
Im callling the gods (meanwhile thinking of killing myself Gets hit with eelectrcity and falls over) sarcasim by the way. BUt and example.

and i meant to say balence forgive my typos argh lol

as a wiccan i follow the three fold rule, thus when i do a spell i keep that in mind, but if you are not wiccan and dont belive i nthe three fold rule, you might not think that this applies to you.. even tough i belive fiercly in that rule, i do think that the cause of effect theory will surely effect you.. what goes around comes around.. its a princple that even in physics exists.. as said a reaction will get an equal reaction....

I definetely believe that if you were to cast a spell on someone, it will come back to you at least two-fold, if not worse.

well, I don't think the three fold rule is right, for all the good I have done has brought more than ten fold power.

But mrd, I wanted to tell you that you have a really high emotional quotient, you seem really level headed I wonder why, is it brain chemistry? But do not not believe in things you have not experienced yet, this site is filled with witches, I respect their powers. Personally I think it is the power of the female to cast spells, any warlock want to ring in on that? I don't think a warlock could put a spell on a guy, I think the person has to be susceptible to the spell binder, you have to give the warlock poower over you and I don't think any guy is going to take what any other guy does to them seriously, only what you believe in or open yourself to can affect you, which then mrd I think you have got the right idea not believing these witches on this site have any powers at all, I am suspect though.

hmm witches dont have powers? hmm interesting concept to make ya belive so... mwahahahahaha...

In my mind there is a huge difference between harming someone with a spell in protection of yourself and your loved ones and harming someone through a spell for revenge. I guess its all a matter of your intentions.

I also believe in Karma. What you send out into the world will eventually come back to you. A bit like Murphy's Law. So if you don't have the money to pay the piper now, don't ask for the dance.

any negative intention done to one would come back on you 3 times worse.

spellcasting isnt a thing I do much, but i have had times where negative effects occured

Just be careful in whatever it is that you do, if you waste too much time having negative feelings towards this particular person chances are you will just become even more unhappy with your current situation and it could escalate to more.
My advice? Stand up for yourself if there is confrontation but dont start any trouble, which I'm sure you are already doing.
Karam will take care of it.
It always works that way.

Someone found the universal plan?

As a Wiccan, my religion believes that ANYTHING you send out, good or bad, will come back to you times three. You should always be careful what you send out, and negative or harmful spells are normally advised against.

All spells come back in 3's. No mater good or bad. If you cast a bad spell be prepared to have it come back 3 times worse to you.

anything negetive is brought back 5-fold

When i woke up this morning and opened the forums I did not intened on this.

Let me start by saying you sound a bit bitter. I
think instead of being snegative and hurt him maybe you need to heal your family from there loss.

However if you feel that your vengence is most important over that of healing then you will most likely do what you want and not what we tell you so the chips will fall where they may

blessed be

Whether you believe in karma or the 3 fold law, revenge is never a good idea. Mean people breed problems for themselves. I personally believe in Karma and the 3 fold law. But I also believe that being nice to people causes them to be nice back. Being mean only breeds hatred and bad things. Its your choice how you want to live your life and I completely understand the feeling of urgency to get back at this man but in the end does it bring your cat back or make your kids feel better. I don't think so.

I have found that they allways come back to bite you in the hinney. What I do in these situations is pray to my power and basically ask for help in dealing with the person. Then I sit back and wait for there karma to bite them in the hinney

from what i've heard everything comes bac times 3

I know not what branch of magik you follow, but one thing I've found to be true in just about everyone of them is, yes. Any negitive energy you send forth with ill intent will return unto you 3 fold. Ever hear the phrase what goes around comes around. Your nieghbor has already sent it out, karma will see him pay for his actions, in way or another.

1st off i must comment, and its not just the large amount of vodka in my system;

When I went out tonight, i was with a friend, who was saying all these little faggots* (btw i am gay, so not a biggot, you self rightous pricks) needed to be taught a lesson or two.

My views extend to wiccans, the majority need to understand the give and take relationship of the cosmos, if one gives blood to the cosmos for a working of magick then one has given their sacrifice, and their desire should manifest.

If one has given their whole to the darkness, then any work of darkness will be automatic, yet since one has aligned with that energy it saturates their lives, and subsequently their lives become nothing more then shells for their art*(speaking from experience). If all is given, then all may be recieved, so to all wiccans who believe and would die to support a kine made rule, then so be it, it shall have effect on their lives. I myself have held to, the concept of equivalent exchange for more years then I have memory.

give equally and get equally

however yes there are ways around this.

well i must say, i m wiccan and as said i do belive in that rule, but i have also heard about others whom dont belive in it and thus say its not true and so.....

one thing for me is sure.... hatered will bring forth more hatered, you might be instant gratification of your wish.. but then waht more?

as said every action that happens will bring forth reaction... sometimes we do need to do something big in order to get a result, but is the result worth it? will it last? what will be the effects, now and the long lasting ones?

i always chose not to take the easy way out... becasue its the most tempting but the most that will not bring long lasting benefits..

just think about it, what are the effects you want? the serentiy of your family, or vengace against your nieghbour? what is most important for you?

depends on how you look at things and believes.

does the recipient of the spell need to be informed they have been cursed? I mean if it can be spellcast on them without even their openess to the witch or warlock, then how does one ever find out they have a voodoo doll with their hair on it?

I guess there are psychopathic witches and warlocks too, in that I mean they act like serial killers attacking strangers for no reason.

My whole spin about giving a witch power over us, even though it was refuted, sheds light on this aspect...

for there are very few serial killer wiches that spell bind strangers. I mean if you are going to spell bind strangers, instead of doing the Jerk Movie concept with Steve Martin's executioner picking his name out of a phone book and then getting up on a hill and firing his rifle at him pumping gas at a gas station, why not just take the whole phone book of the Frisco area and take out the whole lot of a population with a spell, if you are a serial killer psychopathic witch or warlock?

But anyways, my question, was how does a person know they are cursed?

Are we discussing revenge or justice? While my personal beliefs are that there is a form of karma or natural order if you would that does occur, sometimes it relieves a PERSONAL need to do something if a casting is done. By fulfilling that aspect of ourselves we can move on and get past the grievance.

However I believe it is the intent that marks the ability/inability to the outcome of the casting. If you are casting just to be vengeful, yes you very well might get exactly what you asked for. You also might end up with attracting more of that same kind of energy back to you. Casting for justice even in that very open ended sense of the word is my personal preference. Sometimes the punishment seems harsher than I would ever have thought and others I am disappointed, but accept that the result did have balance.

As of late I have been made too aware of how imperfect my judgements are, but calling for whatever powers you use to execute justice will create a result. Be it greater or lesser than what you think. Symmetry.

my oppinion is that is not the type of spell that makes it evil but the reason why used so If the asshole deserves it (I think he does) just curse him

It can come back but i think it rly depends on what type of spell it is and yes on ur beliefs of it and how u cast it

magicks being semi volatile when not balanced properly will indeed return.

Figure that you are standing against an on coming train(energy of the person) and to stop the train and to overcome the train (the energy of your spell) you must have a greater resolve, and posses what for simplicity sake in traditional concepts, the divine will (if anyone has a problem with this concept do some reading, and find out what i mean, research wont kill you). Now possessing the divine will, (mage is at the center and the environment shall bend) comes from knowing all aspects of the self, and being able to put your whole being behind your work. You could then stand against the train(the person and their energy) and over take it, and potentially obliterate it with no problem and no backlash, because you know yourself to be the master of your environment. (however if you are fighting against another mage{stupid but it happens} it comes down to who knows themselves better, and who is willing to all that is nessicary on any level to over come their opponent)

If you are weak of will, (as tends to happen with 90% of wiccans i have ever had the misfortune of meeting and working with) then yes the little ripple you send back, will be absorbed by the greater oncoming force, and thus create a concept of the threefold law.

Karma is balance, equal to equal, you only get a backlash greater then what you wanted to occur if you are weak of will, do not know all of who you are, all of who your target is, and are not in your deepest soul willing to carry out your work.

I think the best thing you can do to evil is ignore them, let them live, for the reason why they did what they did to you is because they are miserable, when life is misery you don't even have to twist the knife, they'd do it in a flash if only they could reach around their backs to put themself out of misery. Ignore evil.

You really don't have to do anything as you are worried that the spell would bouce back on you...What he did will come back on him Karmic justice applies with all things he will pay for his actions even if your not there to witness this...I don't cast spells anymore....but yes it would come back on you and possibly something worse could happen to you or someone else in your family..Satinmist And Aridai are right here basicly things like that shouldn't be done

It may have been said, but energy is like the ocean. It is a continous flow. When you trow a rock in ripples form, in every direction, yes you may hit something with the rock, but you will feel the rippleie consequences all around it. Depending on how close you are and how hard you throw the rock will determine the ripples that are caused. Besides the law of nature is the more powerful survive, so min escence it is the way of the world, power toi heal and power to destroy.

LifeIs KillingMe, Not that I would condone such behavior, but I have heard of poeple hiring a third party to dispence retribution...

Since i was born into a Druidic family and was essentially 'raised by magic', let me give my POV.

True negative magic (no 'k' in real non-wiccan magic) is basically unheard of in truth, ie real life.

I am replying to the initial post, not the other posts.

For example, a curse. A curse is impossible. Why? Because the Cursee is cursing himself. You tell someone, 'I'm going to curse you to Kingdom Come' and they'll dwell on it, even if they initially laugh it off. The more they believe in it, the more symtoms of the 'curse' they show. Sickness and such. It's all in the mind. If you say you'll curse someone with some disease, while they may not show initial signs of the illness, they may THINK they are having the symptoms, thus dwelling on it further, and becoming sicker, once again, all in the mind..

Gods.. I know i could word this post better, but i am exhausted and falling asleep..

If someone knows what i mean, could you paraphrase it so it makes sense? lol.. Or do i actually make sense?

sounds like karma, haha ok all joking aside, yea i think it depends on the spell, and other certain circumstances, for instance the old magic protection of love

"Do not repay evil for evil."
This is a line that I try to live by, The rest of it basicly says that if you repay evil for evil, you reward is done, But if you repay it with good, Not only will you be rewarded in the higher ups, But you may turn your enemy into a friend.

yes it is true, keep in mind that there is always a force behind everything. If you cast a spell, chances are it will come to you in the form of bad luck, for example. I cast the conjur of destruction on someone who was asking, even begging for it. Now as a result, I can longer have babies of my own, I had to have surgery. If you want to learn more about this, please feel free to message me.

I'm not wiccan so I wouldn't know. But in my faith we believe pretty much in karma. You'll get what's coming to you if you do something bad.

everyone's belief system is different and if you want to than do it. it is your choice but i believe that what goes around comes around so watch out.
-MixedBlood-

Not only will it come back , but since it seems you are new at this you shouldnt really do things that your not aware of the the true out come... it will come back on you yes and usually 3 fold

I've heard as a magicial rule what ever you dish out (bad spells) comes back on you times 3...not sure if its true or not, but to be honest not really willing to take the chance..if its untrue there's a good few people i wouldnt mind doing bad things to!!!

the rule you meantoend sam is the wiccan three fold rule ;)

yeah, psychosomatic illnesses pick up intensity by dwelling on the reverse of the curse.

Evil should be marked

unchecked evil is evil encouraged

karma acts trhrough us, for there is no force of nature that is going to seek justice for us

reversing the curse is justified, and when you do put a spell back on them, it is not evil you are doing, it is an act of self presevation. There is nothing evil in letting evil know they are not welcomed in this life.

This all started when my cat Buddha took a few dumps on the edge of his immaculately trimmed subdivision yard. I'd be happy with a spell that would make all the free-roaming pets in the neighborhood come to his anal-retentively-cared-for yard and shit all over it for about a month!!! Now if he just happened to get his panties in a wad so badly that he keeled over with a heart attack, I wouldn't shed a tear! LOL

all i have to say is look at the 3 folds rule and it does exist

hmm pets in his yard... hahaha... you can always bind him, self defence is good

well dude, if you like your post, and you want it to stand, you might want to end the thread so someone doesn't sabotage it. I think we had alot of positive feedback from the witches and a warlock. I believe that is what mrd admitted on here, that he is a warlock. I would hate to see all this talk about casting spells to go to waste even if most of it was witches saying 3 fold rule over and over again, three fold times, I guess, that must be why they call it the three fold rule. Get a litter box!

three times bad and three times good ;)

hmmm...thats what seperates the Wiccans from Traditional WitchCraft, See my journal for more on that. In Traditional Witchcraft we dont follow the three fold law (it is replaced with personal ethics).
And we also believe a Witch Can heal with one hand and hex with the other.
I'm not preaching, just offering my input.

I totally agree with mrd ..

But when you are a spellcaster beware, if it Black magic you wanting for it comes back to you 10 times :S I have alot of spells in my Journal

There are spells specifically designed to secure karmic repercussions on an individual. This is the kind of spell you would do well to look at. Curses WILL backfire on you. Let him face repercussions without it affecting you.

which hand for the hex and which hand for the good stuff? May I ask, but if you have to kill me if you tell me, I don't want to know. This cat is in his last life.

i believe that you attract the type pf energy you put out so if you do negative things you will atract negative energy so you should be nice but if this person is hurting famly pet then i say go get em

i say go get em i met flay the skin from there bones.......

I must admit, general consensus seems to be the same on this -- to hex or not to hex and will I get in trouble for it? Put out negative and at some point that negative will have to follow thru and complete its course. The part you're not taking into consideration is that you seem to have more to lose than he does. You have told us you have kids, etc. Why take the risk? Coming from me that is saying a lot . Quick-fix self-gratification will only end up on your doorstep. Unless you are looking for a battle and willing to see it through, don't bother -- we know you're not about to shed your neighbors blood but even taking a super-sized animal dump on his manicured lawn will bite YOU in the ass(and the bite can manifest through your family). Are you seeking revenge for the life that was taken or the tears your kids shed? Sadly, as I am a cat lover and would gladly smack your neighbor around for you, it makes all the difference in what may or may not come back to you.

How about having revenge through non-magical means?

I asked that question to myself daikini to be sincere.. but then i concluded that most probably the magical way is the most untracible way.. there si no proof for it and not a lot of ppl belive in it...

but hence the energy is still there and the magickal way will affect you more directly actually

You are right Rowiel....though I tend to use spells as a last resort as I believe very deeply in karma and even if the law of three doesn't get me, my own strong belief might result in my inadvertently cursing myself.....but it definitely is the cleanest and most untraceable way...

yes daikini i belive in karma as well.. apart from the three fold rule for me... but for those whom dont have that belive in this, magick is indeed the most untracable way to take....

The answer is simple. Your higher self governs your karma, so if you truly believe you are in the right then you will suffer no ill effects, on the other hand if you believe something else, then you will suffer the consequences.

To thine own self be true.

Karma is only useful for when you die

i think that if one is strong enough in what it is there doin..that nothin bad can go wrong and u will be fine

casting spells to harm a human or whatever they are is not the way to go. you could wait for Karma or ask for justice through your higher ups, like i asked for justice from earth for a friend of mine who was killed by a whitch hunter and she granted me the justice i wanted by crushing him in an earthquake and he suffered for 8 months cuz every bone in his body was either broken or shatterd by the rocks..... i found it funny.....lol....blessed be my friends

iv heard of that to but im not really sure.........

i agree wht mrd said

i don't know much about this but i have always been told that if you do bad you shall recive bad

ok...

I look at it like this...

ALL spells have both good and bad consequences....

anytime you change something you affect all things in life...some good, some bad...thats why its called the web of life...

what ever spell you cast will have both good and bad ramifications. that is the reason for my motto:

"Do as you will....But accept all consequences"

I agree spells have both effects good or bad and yes reprocussions may follow,so if you cast a spell against him just accept what follows.

You can also ask the higher ups for justice to be done and they will decide what that is and it takes it out of your hands,so it is their descision,but you must abide by what they decide,also.

Vengance is a two edged sword it cuts both ways,remember that.

Dark Greeting's, Most people recoil from Chaos magic,but simpley it's like a childs nursery ryme And we know how children are a very simple one is this.Now don't laugh to hard it works I've used it and it worked very well (one of my roomates is a Chaos mage,yes an interesting house I live in) "I'm rubber you'r glue whatever you do bounces of me and get's to you"
Dark Blessing's,KA
and if you are justified,make sure you are Maat will bring retribution on this person you will have to do nothing, just ask her help weather you follow Egyptian or not.

Ok it's like this: First things first, what kind of of spell did you use or want to use? Cause depending on the spell, the way you word it, and the situtation, the outcome will be different.... So if you wouldn't care, write me and send me the information.....

May satan be with you,
Super goth

Actions have consequences, regardless of one's belief as to the origin of those consequences. And retaliation begets more retaliation ad infinitum until you end up in an endless battle. Make sure you think through whatever course of action you decide upon, and be sure you can handle the consequences. I have found that when it comes to people who need to be hung, if you give them enough rope, they will hang themselves. Perhaps the authorities could be an avenue for justice?

its all in the book and all in the wrist

its all in the book and all in the wrist

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