Just a simple thought to bite on for the hungry and thoughtful.
I believe we are all educated beings, here, on Rave; Seekers of knowledge. It does not really matter what type of knowledge we seek - dark, forbidden, arcane knowledge or book, certificate knowledge. We have one thing in common. At the end of the day, we come to embrace the saying, " Knowledge is Power".
Just how powerful can the quest for attaining knowledge be? What about the contrary saying that seems to embrace the lack of knowledge - "Ignorance is bliss"?
There are beings who are book-smart and beings who are street-smart. Reading between the lines, guessing if a man is interested (or not) in you, dealing with different beings of different personalities, are all examples of knowledge that could prove to either be a helpful thing or just a pain in the neck.
Just how much is too much? When it leads to normal life being disrupted? Or when it makes us fall into a depressive state, contemplating on the horrors of the world?
We may be seekers of dark, forbidden knowledge. Just where do we draw the line? Is there such a thing as having too much knowledge? Or is that just a fanciful thought? Have you ever felt that you are cursed by knowing what you know? How do you deal with this "curse"?
My question is simple:
Is it better to have all the knowledge in the world and feel cursed or is it better to be kept in the dark and be happy?
What are your views?
Practical Knowledge is the only knowledge that really matters, as far as I am concerned.
So with out practical knowledge one is ignorant, and that can lead to dangerous situations, and make a person a mark for predators.
Being irrational, and having fantastical dispositions is dangerous as well. it makes one a mark, just as someone lacking discernment.
I like having knowledge but then there are things I know nothing about. For instance, I can write essays like nothing but I can't change the oil in my car.
There are things that I don't want to learn and therefore, I leave for someone to do that has the knowledge but as far as the things I do know and it being a "curse" I have to answer this by saying this, Curses and hexes only work if you believe in them and let them manipulate or dictate you.
Words are powerful but so is the mind. I have dealt with someone stating they were cursed and I truly believe that because she thought she was cursed, she was and she let it dictate her life.
Not giving into this power is the true way to overcome, so to answer your question, No it's not a curse to have knowledge of things, if anything it helps knowing about things but again, I don't know everything and I don't want to, there are things I'm not interested in and leave that for someone else to learn!!
Ignorance is bliss- idiom
The lack of knowledge to a situation. Usually once the whole truth is revealed you realize you were happier being clueless.
So maybe it is misapplied sometimes as to just what is meant.
Oh my dear Girl what a great Question, or indeed thread of questions.
I have a million answers in my head right now so forgive me if this goes astray. Firstly, who did you want to answer this and why?
Did you have something specific in mind?
I cannot decide on the answer...
Yes, if you are a poorly educated stick man or lead a very simple life, and yet Cody fits that bill, mmmm uncertain.
If you are highly educated or just naturally quick then seeing the dangers and influencing others is almost a "Reson_Detre"
Truthfuly there are so many variables this one has my attention. I need some time to think and draw upon those wiser than me.
There is but one question. :)
The series of questions you speak about were just thoughts that manifested as rhetorical questions. Hopefully they helped the thought process. :)
And then, there is, ''knowledge is power.''
However I think yes, ignorance is bliss. I look at the other people, living their lives, the lives that other people told them to live, because that's the normal life, that's the life they have to live, and they have to do so because normal people do so, otherwise they'll be ostracized.
I don't know if it's true, but once, I heard that intelligent people tend to be more prone to depression. Well, I guess so. Being intelligent isn't the cool thing nowadays, so being intelligent and feel different from the rest might make you depressed.
I for example don't socialize much with people, because I know that I'd shock people with my thoughts and even with the things I know. So maybe yes, in the end it's better to be ignorant.
If you can apply the knowledge that you have,then it is good.If you cannot,then it wastes space
While I appreciate knowledge and learning, there are some things that I wished I knew nothing about...
I think that knowledge is power where life is concerned. You can either allow yourself that "knowledge" or deny it. Now, as far as ignorance being bliss, I think not. It is hinderance to ones inner self or true self. Whether knowing the truth, half truth or lies, for example, if a loved one did the unspeakable in your eyes... wouldn't you rather know immediately and be done, know and turn a blind eye, or have this continue on for unknown amount of time behind your back and be the center of everyones talk or backlash and find out forcibly? you would still come to the same type of reaction or conclusion. either way, it comes down to preference. it is totally up to the individual.
(for lack of a better analogy)
this is just my thought or take on this nothing more.
I personally think knowledge is fine but if you cannot apply it to daily life or if you lack interpersonal skills what use is it? There are many now in this world that are highly intelligent. They are inventing many of the gadgets we use but many of them are hampered by lack of good social skills and cannot interact well in society. Sometimes there is a price to pay for intelligence.
Knowledge is Power; People are used to said. But, you can have all the knowledge in the world and if your Character, as a Human being, is compromised because what you know, then, You are nothing. I work for a Hospital. There are people, who got the knowledge of the books, ie, Doctors and Nurses. Some of these people, Do not say hi to the "Lower" people, because they feel superior. That is the Curse, my opinion, of having knowledge. When you stop treating your fellow human being as human, then, you have become a parasite within their race.
Yes but markus666 some one can be book educated but have no common sense. I truly believe common sense can not be taught. Either you have it or you do not.
... of course ignorance is bliss.
When one uses one's brain one worries unduly.
One dwells...
and, to dwell is stressful.
Ergo, the ignorant are, stressfree.
Very true, and as with great power or indeed money (on Earth) comes great responsibility.
Some of the happiest people are like "forest gump" but to those of us given the gifts of sight, and as stated common sense.
It is surely encumbent that such individuals step up to the plate.
Otherwise, I would not be here.
I sure as hell do not get paid.
It is inevitable that we discover something we just don't want to know. It is apart of the quest for attaining the final answers to whatever it is you seek. If knowledge is light, then that illumination is going to cast a shadow, and shadows are very hard to avoid. I honestly believe it is worth knowing the things we shouldn't know, if it means ultimately being enlightened in the end. There is a responsibility with every gift, a burden with every power, and knowledge is not exempt from that.
Mind you, you shouldn't recklessly fall head first into the unknown with the mindset that "it was going to happen anyways." That's how people get hurt.
There is a verse from the bible that says, "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."
Throughout the ages, sacred knowledge has been withheld from the masses because they would distort and/or destroy the knowledge because of fear. And it holds true today.
My question is simple:
Is it better to have all the knowledge in the world and feel cursed or is it better to be kept in the dark and be happy?
well i say that it very much depends on what knowledge we are talking about, i think it is important to learn and gain the basic knowledge to live,socialize,communicate,survive and find a mate in life and this goes for all living things in one manner or another but knowledge past this i do not think is needed and in some instances is better of not knowing
The saying is flawed, it should read, "It is better to be kept in the light and know nothing"
To enter the darkness is the only way to true enlightenment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightenment_%28spiritual%29
Buddha which means The Awaken One,whose name is Siddhartha Gautama,who we know as THE BUDDHA.Left his Kingdom for Knowledge,in his search after many years,he found his enlightment which is called NIRVANA,>(Spiritual Awaking,Enlightment).To much Knowledge,IS GREAT KNOWLEDGE.Go within and find your higher self,it will trancend you.
No Darkness is a different reality, one where ordinary senses are useless.
One has to feel around in it, pose thoughts and see what comes back.
Mostly, it begins with nothing and then like the flicker of a candle in a Cave, your mind senses other entities, tuning in is difficult.
The mind can play tricks with our emotions and cause us to live within ourselves....
Truth cannot be attained immediately. What we perceive may be very different from what things really are. We are all tainted by our emotions, beliefs, understanding and such. Sometimes, breaking out of this mindset causes disapproval and derision from others. Therefore, it would be better if left in the dark. However, times have changed, and so have our minds and emotions.
The Brain guys will have you believe so, the neuro scientists.
But for a few, a very few, there is nothing left, no desire, no emotion, no goals, no perspectives.
Just a void...for a while at least.
Warning this comment not to be read by reactionaries!
Breaking away from irrational fantastical beliefs indeed leads to derision one becomes ostracized by believers both established faiths, and alternative beliefs.. (which is ironic since they should know better then established beliefs how it feels to be ostracized). So gaining the knowledge that brings one to the rational conclusion that what is is, and accepting that there is nothing after this, or beyond what is life. Is in itself breaking away from those who incessantly assume that everyone needs belief, or that everyone believes something.. even going so far as to ignorantly say science is a belief. So in a way these people spoon feed themselves their dogma, and shun the knowledge that clearly shows they are wasting their time.
Ignorance truly is bliss for those who choose it. That which you do not know can often times provide a level of safety and security. Being naive sometimes is more of a blessing.
That being said, ignorance is also dangerous. A balance between ignorance and knowledge is required in all things. Know a little bit about what you are getting into and ask the right questions.
All of this is quite thought provoking. The ignorant do have certain advantages over the progressive minded. George Orwell nailed this in 1984. You must always be wary of the world's little Hitlers and the problems they cause.
I find that many seek knowledge if it re enforces their beliefs....the hardest thing is to face knowledge that does not fit into a persons view of life...I find many turn a deaf ear to such knowledge.
As far a truth....One being a philosophy major the question is what he can truly know as real....I am sorry to say but I have found that most truths are based on the individuals perception.
Unless you are Spock from Star Trek, your emotions control every aspect of your life. You react to every situation based on enculturation, thus, your emotional approval or disproval of the given situation is based on learned behavioral conditions. If we acted solely on the facts on any given situation, life would be too easy and run too smoothly, therefore, emotions are thrown in to stir the pot.
No. Ignorance is merely lacking. It has nothing to do with being happy. Emotions are purely based on how we choose to react to situations and our thoughts on them. As far as knowledge, I personally would rather have it, then be so senseless as to act without considering the consequences or knowing in general.
seeking knowledge needs a bit of passion I think
to know the truth of every matter can lead to madness
and sometimes ignorance allows to live a life of queit simplicity.
but is it really ignorance to be free of your life's dark secrets?
wouldn't a wise person want peace of mind above all else?
what good is the power of knowledge if it destroys your mind and you drown into insanity...
how does the saying go.hhmmmm.
the abyss supposedly has endless knowledge.
but when you look into the abyss
sometimes the abyss looks back...
Well, where I come from, ignorance is dangerous!! I live in Camden, NJ, which for multiple years, has been the single most dangerous city in the entire United States. It is the murder capitol of the country every single year and if you are ignorant here, it could cost you your life. Around here, you BETTER be street smart, cause I've seen too many ignorant people, who otherwise, were good people, who have been killed, left for dead, etc.
Almost forgot to add.. So I would say, No, definitely not. Ignorance is not and never will be bliss. At least not around here!
I think its ok to be smart in somethings and ignorant in others as your brain can handle only so much data
its up to you to decide what you are going to be educated in and what you won't be
But everybody needs to have street smarts no matter where you live as there are dangerous areas in cities towns villages etc and you never know if those smarts will save your life or another's life
I had always been told I was neither book smart or street smart, and I was just plain dumb. I use to pick up random information and I never knew where I had gotten it from, but now that I have aged I can not recall that information I once knew.
But I suppose that being in the dark is not a good thing as many people are these days because they simply do not care, which can lead then into dangerous situations. Then you have those who have too much knowledge that either wish they had not learned of such things or cant forget it. Maybe if one learned a happy medium, but Im not sure if thats possible.
First one has to understand what "bliss" is? Simple fact is at certain things we are all ignorant. Just as at certain things we are all wise.
Wisdom is knowing what ignorance to educate and which ignorance to avoid.
Ignorance is rarely bliss. And only from a subjective point o view.
Wise people say that there are two main branches of human spiritual tendencies: existence and knowledge and they invented epistemology and gnoseology.
To survive human society needs to develop knowledge. This pushes the human specie forward.
Ignorance makes people easy to manipulate and usually this is against them(even if they are manipulated by other species).
This must be done with responsibility and with a sociocentric purpose.
Also it has to be maintained an equilibrium between existence and knowledge.
Still I like the metal band`s Moospell`s lyrics:
"Laughing, I feed you
With meaningless games, tricks and philosophies
Whose answers you would die for
In your hunger to believe
How it does amuse Me
And makes Me wonder
For how long that it was Mine
Because now it does really inflame Me
As if ignorance was my secret desire..."
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. It depends on a number of factors. The individual, the circumstances, the reasoning of outside forces controlling the situation., etc.
I don't think it is possible to have all the knowledge in the world, although it would be splendid, but if you have a great deal of knowledge it is always nice to find someone that is willing to listen so you can share it with them. Also, in not having all the knowledge you have the ability to learn new things from others.
I wouldn't go so far as to say everyone on VR is "educated", considering some of the shit they believe in - I think it's much better to be educated in science and understand the exact impossibilities of all the other crap that people believe in rather to just follow blindly and ignorantly.
I dont think one can ever know or learn too much. We are on this earth to learn and grow. I am always striving to know more and learn new skills. I am trying my best to learn as much as I can in this life time. I love learning new things. There is so much out there to learn about!
lordess, this is a very thought-provoking question you've posed for us! I personally have a thirst for knowledge and I enjoy learning. I'm not sure what would be defined as knowing "too much", unless it's something that once you learned about it, you wish you didn't know? At the top of my head I can't think of anything that would qualify for that - other than what we may see on the news, with all of the bad things that happen near my town that I would never know about if I didn't watch the news. If I didn't know about these things, I wouldn't know how to protect myself...if that makes any sense.
The last couple post have made me wish we had like buttons for outstanding comments.
A follow-up response to this question:
During the month of June, I took a hiatus from Facebook to focus on finding a new job and my schoolwork. Since I've been back, I've found myself scrolling through my newsfeed to see what people have been up to but then I roll my eyes with half of what I find out. And there are things I read about on there that I think to myself damn, I liked when I was in my non-Facebook bubble and didn't care what everyone else was doing lol. It's not the "news" news but it's similar to the question that was posed. :-)
Onfo and data or different from knowledge.. say your ex was cheating on you.. now that you are already broke up one of your friends says "Oh by the way did you know ...?" Do you think knowing serves any purpose at that point?
Dabbs, I don't think it serves any purpose other than inciting negativity. I know things about family members that their spouse doesn't know, and it's stuff I'd rather not know. I think people who tell you that your ex was cheating on you (to use your example) is petty, childish and vindictive. Anyone who says they're telling you that because they "care about you" is lying - it only ever causes pain, and someone who cares about you shouldn't tell you that.
Right, I hope my point came through there. That was the jest of it. You having the option to un-know doesn't exist now it is to tell/share or not share/tell. So there is in knowing either in such a case. However there is bliss in the party said info relates to. Their ignorance of that info protects them from say in the case of a cheater spouse.. it saves them from internalizing the question "Wasn't I good enough?" Shouldn't I have seen the signs?" etc.
Exacto. We could probably open another kettle of fish here and then go into the "if you don't tell you're lying by omission", but I'd rather be lied to in that case rather than have the painful truth. In some situations. I mean, it's pretty circumstantial, but in general if it's something that's related to emotions or relationships, I don't want to know if it's just going to make me sad.
Like someone told me that a family member loathed me, a few months back, and man, I didn't need to know that.
That also goes along with the reasoning that "Other people's thoughts are their own. They are not yours. What they think of you is THEIR opinion and shouldn't matter, nor should you bend yourself out of shape to hear what they think of you. It only brings trouble."
I may have gone completely off the track with this post. Haha.
You know to be completely honest with you all, I was totally flabbergasted that the word ignorant was actually used in the right context here. It never ceases to amaze me how often the word "ignorant" is used by ignorant people. The word ignorant means to be without knowledge. So many people will refer to those with cocky and jerky attitudes as ignorant. The word is arrogant!!! Lol
Beautifulenlightenment, though I have to agree with you, i perceive that word differently. It may not sound derogatory if used properly to create awareness. However, some beings might take it wrongly... Thinking that it is derogatory. There is something called freedom of speech. And of course, lowering someone's integrity in the eyes of the public would amount to defamation, although I have to admit using that word on several occasions to express my emotions.
LOL! Well, it's funny.. Someone called me ignorant the other day because I wouldn't give him a cigarette. (It was some bum on the street). I stopped in my tracks and turned to him and said, "Don't you mean arrogant?? To be ignorant is to be without knowledge! Just because I won't give you a cigarette does not make me naive or ignorant, it makes me ARROGANT!!" He just looked at me with this dumbass expression on his face LOL Not to mention the fact that when I was in his same situation, I couldn't get anyone to GIVE me a DAMN thing.. ugh, but that's a whole other thread in itself haha!
I think that it is possible to have knowledge and be happy. What other choice is there for the intelligent rational person.
In my humble opinion, people who are ignorant simply do not understand true happiness. They are merely excited to be invited to the party. They are not truly happy. They are simply not sad.
Ignorance actually does nothing.
At least the act of understanding problems creates the possibility that they may be solved.
The ignorant do nothing but take up space while providing intelligent and well meaning people a connection to the myth of Sisyphus continuing to roll the boulder up a hill only to have it always fall back down just as he is accomplished.
Ignorance is bliss is such a pithy work of PR.
Ignorant is a nice way of saying stupid.
And stupidity should be eradicated exactly like small pox.
I don't mean this in a derogatory fashion, but whoever truly thinks that ignorance is bliss obviously does not understand the true definition of ignorance and sells the concept of bliss way, WAY too short.
Cheers.
I think you're ignorant in your definition of ignorance and happiness.
Ignorance is more than a lack of knowledge - it's a lack of wanting knowledge and willingly refusing to seek it, refusal to accept it even when it's proven and shown to you. It's a complete refusal to grow and learn as a human.
"people who are ignorant simply do not understand true happiness" - toddlers are the happiest, cutest little things ever, and yet they are ignorant of the world. They don't understand and they're not knowledgeable in the traditional sense of the word.
"True" happiness to me is being able to laugh joyously without a single care, like a small child. If your definition fits, they must be "stupid" - but oh no - toddlers aren't stupid at all. They're learning and growing at an incredible speed - their little brains are phenomenal.
If you think people who are ignorant are unable to be happy, by your own show of charming and brash ignorance, you must be very unhappy.
Well stupid people can't really help it kyvie.. An ignorant person is really someone who doesn't want to learn the information.. They're without knowledge because they CHOOSE to be without knowledge.. So it doesn't necessarily make them stupid and would be an insult to the stupid person lol :P
Agreed with Owlish ;)
PS: I am BeautifulEnlightenment ;)
To owlish:
Please allow me to rebut your statements.
Ignorance is more than a lack of knowledge - it's a lack of wanting knowledge and willingly refusing to seek it, refusal to accept it even when it's proven and shown to you. It's a complete refusal to grow and learn as a human.
Sorry, but you are wrong.
It's not your fault.
I guess that you are just ignorant of the actual definition of ignorance.
Here is the definition of ignorance according to dictionary.com-
"lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned"
Ignorance is an adjective, by definition it can't describe an action. Refusing to grow and learn is not ignorance.
Again... the whole adjective/verb thing.
If you think people who are ignorant are unable to be happy, by your own show of charming and brash ignorance, you must be very unhappy.
You really don't understand the definition of ignorance, and I don't think that you are too well schooled in logic either, because you just committed a fallacy called a non-sequitur.
It's Latin for does not follow, because I really have no idea how you came to the conclusion that I personally am not happy simply because I believe that ignorant people are lacking the knowledge of true happiness.
But to be honest with you, I am not too surprised you came to that erroneous conclusion.
*see definition of ignorance.
knowledge is a great thing to have
but it comes down to the people around you really
whats the point of knowing everything when no one can relate then the knowledge u posses becomes meaningless to everyone but you
so yes i believe gaining knowledge is a good thing but having people to discuss that knowledge with is the key part of that knowledge
if you have no one to teach the knowledge to then it is also wasted because when you die the knowledge will go with you and everyone else will just go on like it never existed
some people like knowing very little and the ignorance is bliss is what that want some people need the truth no matter how badly it hurts or fucks up there current lifes
its once again a personal preffarence
Allow me to slap some wisdom into this conversation, there are many who see things differently, thus this is true intelligence. Intelligence is not learned simply by reading, but also by doing and learning yourself the what if's and what nots'. Those with just book intelligence can be dumber then a rock at times because they never look into the aspects themselves.
For example Hypothesis A states: This works, where as hypothesis B states: This does not work. A true intelligent person would look into why not only hypothesis A works, but also why B does not, and further investigation to see if one could better another and form a hypothesis C, the 'what if' function if you wish to go into coding lingo.
Now on to the breakdown as to why I said that. Many have used the words Intelligent, arrogant, and ignorance in all ways, right and wrong and sometimes the finite line of both. First I started with intelligence, next is in fact ignorance. In truth is a very testy word these days. It simply means to not know, there is nothing stated that people chose to not know, that falls under arrogance.
Ignorance is a one time thing, once you know, you are no longer ignorant. Under most cases at least. To only hold a basic understanding of something still leaves an ignorant ideal, but to see the full picture, comes the knowledge within it. Where most says this works, as you all have seen from previous posts. I go into the this doesn't work under the same situation. Yet in separate occasions it may also work or not.
Now to arrogance. There are a few meanings to this word, and though not derivative in any fashion. Only used derogatorily. It means to know yet not believe or apply. Also it means to stand firm on something that has been proven naught. Then there is the derogatorily used and misinterpreted one. To be as Beautiful stated, to be asked and be 'heartless'. To further on the latter, it may not in fact be heartless, but more an educated understanding. Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for those on the streets, and if I could help them and know I am helping them. I would, but to know both sides of the streets. There are times I will arrogantly not do so. Ask if I can feed you, I may just do that, cloth you, that's a possibility. Ask for money. I am ignorantly unknowing where that money will go. Thus I will arrogantly decline.
Now to bliss, the final word in this phrase, thus saving it for last. Bliss means enlightenment, good, a possible right. Yet it also leaves for possible wrongs. In my opinion, "Ignorance is bliss." Works like a double edged sword, but I see it in several ways and not just one. The truth cuts like a knife, as it heals as well. Sometimes it does such with both happening at the same time. There is another saying on happiness that pertains to that. "You must first ride the storm to seek better days."
Is ignorance bliss? Yes and no. The saying still works in some instances. Though as also stated knowledge is power. And wisdom is the key of knowledge. Intelligence is the way to do such without harm, or much harm at all. We only hear parts of that phrase, but that is the closest to my remembrance of the full thing. A bit dumbed down of course
Without seeking something, you are ignorant, though it is arrogance if you do know it is out there and not seek it, or do so wrongly. Though if something arises, you see potential knowledge within it, good or bad. They can be a learning experience to those of the open mind. Though a word of warning for the open minded that practice this wisdom. Be cautious, and know that knowledge in itself can harm and even kill.
I am the seeker of all knowledge I combine it all together to make a final conclusion then form an opinion.
I'll acquire as much knowledge as I can, at least, when it comes to things that I find interesting I will. I'd like to know the other stuff too, but you know....boring....
As for whether or not ignorance is bliss..... well..... we're probably all ignorant, no matter how smart we think we are. I mean... the calculator was the pinnacle of technology until the next best thing came out. Likewise, we'll be pretty intelligent until the next best brain comes out and makes all of our achievements look like a monkey wetting a stick so that termites will stick to it.
Those who choose to stay uniformed are ultimately short changing themselves, but you know the old saying "you can't fix stupid" it's basically the same premise in my opinion.
Yes ignorance is truly bliss this I agree because if I am ignorant in some way shape or form I want it to be a good feeling by putting a positive spin on it canceling out all of negativity. Thus turning my ignorance from a negative thought into a positive one. I refuse to be a Debbie Downer no matter what the situation. If things don't go right I eventually bounce back especially when it comes to ignorance.
''Is ignorance truly bliss''? In some cases, yes. Others not so much. One thing you must ask yourself before you seek the answer to something is.....Can I really accept the truth win I learn it? I do know one thing for sure...The truth changes your life in an instant.~Mina
sometimes knowledge is power and sometimes your better off not knowing
Yes ignorance is bliss and Knowledge is power if you mix them both together you get the best of both worlds.