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For those who have never heard of him, Vlad Tepes is my idle and also the man who inspired the character Dracula. He was the prince of Romania and drank the blood of sinners and his enemies. He was called Vlad Dracul or Dracula (dragon/ son of the devil-i think).

What are your thoughts about him? I don't mean "he's cool" or something like that, but actual thoughts that you have took some time to think about.




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Vlad "Dracula" Tepes, aka Vlad Dragulia, Dracula, Vlad the Impaler, and many, many other names, in my opinion would have been an interesting man to have known. From what I've read/ researched of him, he was mentally insane, crazed and psychotic, but with a wonderful knack for fooling mere mortals and humans. He knew the art of deception, and he knew it well.

Vlad Tepes was a master at illusion, and an intelligent man, whose own flaws led to his downfall, much like the tyupical greek tragedy we find in shakespeare.



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From my memory of studies, he was also an excelent field commander, relentless in making sure that the blood of his enemies spilled.



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Since i believe i hold a good amount of knowledge about this strapping young lad i shall entice you all with some of the facts, myths and legends of Sir Vladimir Tepes (tepesh). Now, Vlad is most notorious for impaling his enemies on 10 foot high poles, well, this is a fact, he in fact did impale his enemies, and sometimes he impaled them while they were still alive. Now, Dracula comes from the Romanian word of Drago or in other words dragon, many have implemented that it resembles devil, where most of the Catholics have done it again and spread lies of others. Dracula did also drink the blood of his victims, only because he believed it left him to become immortal, where we see what the vampire bats do in order to stay alive. Now, he did drink the blood of his victims, but no, it did not let him become immortal. ironically, he did live longer than anyone in that era. Another little cute thing about him, is that he was a son of the goddess, yes, our friend Vlad was a warlock. but only used it to achieve small matters. Supposedly, he aranged the heads of his victims in a pentagram, but with further research, he did not. hopefully that is enough information about the man himself. blessed be.



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Well said Pheonix, I personally think that he was a great man, a sometimes cruel man, but the world was cruel back then, (still is) you had to "take" what you wanted, and you had to strike fear in the hearts of people who might take it from you.



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the briliant master of fear. and so much more.



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Vlad the Impaler. Impaled his enimies on huge stakes aroung his castle which frightened many. It would have kept me at bay.
Yes he had flaws, being an egomanicical prince who had his lands stolen probably lead to much maddness.Thus probably much of the fault was brought upon him by others.



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First off...I agree that Vlad was crazy but his actions were not that much different than any other warrior in Eastern Europe of the times. His were just much more ruthless. He was a Crown prince according to a Romanian born member of an organization I belong to who has a Masters in History. It wasn't uncommon to drink the blood of the vanquish to take on their power. It was old superstitions.

As for the Warlock...no its a word that really comes from Scotland and is someone who betrays the coven...a liar-betrayer and can be a man or woman. A witch is a witch is a witch.

At the time Transylvania was in Hungary and both Hungary and Romania claim him.
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I had permission to print this from the author in our ezine.

Excerpts from an article written by the foremost authority on Stoker, Elizabeth Miller:

Stoker’s original intention was to use Styria (in Austria) as Count Dracula’s homeland, but as a result of his research, he made the change to Transylvania. One of his chief sources was “Transylvanian Superstitions” published in July 1885 in The Nineteenth Century and written by Emily Gerard, the Scottish wife of a Hungarian cavalryman. “Nowhere else,” Gerard writes, “does this crooked plant of delusion flourish as persistently and in such bewildering variety.” In Dracula, Jonathan Harker notes with a similar smugness, “I read that every known superstition in the world is gathered into the horseshoe of the Carpathians, as if it were the centre of some sort of imaginative whirlpool.” Gerard’s article also provided Stoker with some of the folklore surrounding Dracula and his castle: St. George’s Day, “the eve of which is still frequently kept by occult meetings taking place at night in lonely caverns or within ruined walls”; hidden treasures and “the light they give forth, described as a bluish flame”; and the wolf that “continues to haunt the Transylvanian forests.” Also from Gerard came the term “nosferatu,” as well as the use of garlic and the wooden stake.

But is there any actual connection between Transylvania and vampires? To begin with, the word “vampire” is not of Romanian origin. The Oxford English Dictionary says it is Slavic, akin to the Serb “vampir” and Russian “upyr.” The Romanian word “strigoi” (sometimes loosely translated as “vampire”) is used more often for “ghost,” “witch,” “wizard” or “reanimated dead.” The territories that now comprise Romania are mentioned only briefly in early accounts of vampires; Hungary, Poland, Moravia, Silesia and Serbia appear more frequently. During the nineteenth century, the connections became somewhat more pronounced. Joseph Ennemoser referred in The History of Magic (1854) to Wallachia as the land “where the blood sucking vampire hovered the longest, a superstition of the most revolting kind.”

There is a widespread tendency among Romanians to deny the existence of vampire figures in their folk beliefs. This is due, in part, to a problem with semantics. To the modern Romanian, the word “vampire” refers to a supernatural figure that originates in Western culture and may be extended to describe bloodthirsty murderers. During the Communist regime (up to 1989), vampire fiction (including Dracula) was banned in Romania, as representative of the “decadent” West. In addition, there was a determination to counteract the notion that Romania is the home of the vampire and that the world’s most notorious vampire (Dracula) bears the nickname of one of Romania’s national heroes. This has created a significant dilemma for Romanian tourism officials who are eager to capitalize on Dracula as a drawing card for foreign visitors, but who face strong opposition at home to presenting Stoker’s Count as a Romanian icon. Nowhere is this better illustrated than in the current dispute in Romania over the proposed Dracula theme park.

Miller, who sees herself as a literary detective, has been asked to edit his scrawly notes on tombstone headings, England's Whitby dialect (where part of the book takes place), plot and characters. Originally, Dracula was going to be from Steria, Austria, but then Stoker read Emily Gerard (1885/1888) on the folklore of Transylvania (now in Romania, but in Hungary then), which sounded more exotic than Styria, Austria, Miller surmises. Gerard also wrote that the vampires were called "nosferatu," but subsequent research shows no such word exists. "It must've been a word misheard," Miller said. Possibly it was nosopharos -- bearer of plague; nesapherat -- suffering; or nekeratu -- evil one.



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i understand he was a great leader, but harsh, a loving husband and father, i saw a biography, and hes a idle of mine since age 10, also he didnt have people fight his battles but was up there fighting him self he was a worrie



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First I'd like to point out that the english knowlege of the average person on here is pretty damn low. Anyways, yeah- forrest of 20,000 impaled POW's? Yeah, enough said. Haha. Also, if anyon wants to read more about him, he actually has a myspace made for him. Along with Elizabeth Bathory, and many more famous dead peope, but that's a different subject. Find him HERE.



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Thank you Lady Nightdancer for clearing away any misconceptions that i had made



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A ruthless man who showed no mercy to his enemy's a great leader. in short he rocked



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I think that Vlad was not a vampire, but he was using that old one, terror is the best instrument......



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I believe he would have been a very interesting person to get to know... The master of fear and illusion.



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It is intersting how of many of you romanticize political deaths you do not understand. In 200 years, do you think there will be a website memorializing Motumbo or Hussein? They were/are all murderers....history will sort them out.



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funny that he drove off the turkish army using terror tactics he learned FROM them as their "guest" while a child, reclaiming wallachia, which is the actual name of where he was crown prince and surrounding area for the christian cause, tho i doubt that was his own reasons,and is then villified in history because of the brutality he used to reaquire those lands from the turks.



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i think its ironic that vlad is remembered in such a light, but hitler is remembered as a brutal murderer



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phoenixfeoror,

I thought that Vlad's 'dracula' would have come from the romanian word 'drac' which means devil or maybe 'dracul' which means satan. Or 'drace' which means Hell

The romanian word for dragon is dragon : in the past zmeu or balaur were also used



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Given that the "enemy" he was impaling at the time were Muslim Turks attempting to invade Europe through the "back door". This was during the early part of the Turk / Ottoman attempts to invade Europe in order to forcibly spread their faith. This struggle between christian Europe and the Muslim Ottoman Empire culminated almost 200 years later in Jan Sobieski's victory over the Turks during their siege of Vienna.

In today's world Vlad would be thought of as "A friend in the war against terror". His ferocity and strange dealings with the enemy captured and dead were likely purposfully exagerated to instill fear amongst those fighting against his forces.



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Well,first,I have to say:"He's cool"....lol...
But,He was kinda sick that he drank blood and everything(yea I'M sick too)...But he drank sinner's blood so,if we have his opinions about who is a sinner,maybe he is a reasonable man.It's all proportional...The time,the environment,the people,the culture and the beliefs were TOTALLY different.Therefore,I don't think we can/may have the abillity to make a dicision about him.That's my opinion anywayz...:-)



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The guy was a superior warrior, rather sick in the head, I might add. He actually was not a Vampire, although he drank blood. This probably made people believe he was. To be totally honest, I think he had antisocial personality disorder.



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I just smile whenever I hear about the little story of Vlad and those ambassadors who wouldn't take off their hats. ^_^



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I saw a story about him on the History Channel he was an interesting man.



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I always find people that look into Vlad and even Elizabeth based a lot of their opinion on misconceptions and they mislead themselves believing he drank blood and did everything that implied him as a vampire.

First and formost he was NO vampire and not even related to such. He was a typical ruler of the time and no diffrent and no worse then any other. He did what he did and only became true legend because of Stoker's influence to the name Dracula. I doubt he based most of his information on Vlad himself... There was never direct proof besides the name that connects Stoker and Vlad together and the story of Dracula.

Anyway I don't understand why he is your idol? He was not exactly a kind hearted man that destoried evil. He impaled people for stealing, he killed people because of their culture and that was all because of fear. He knew if he didn't really do what he did chaos will reign over. He did what any tyrant ruler would do and then some. He was a war lord as well. I doubt he was any messanger of God or an angel or a vampire... He was a just a mortal human who happen to live a long life ruling his kingdom in such a violent but structured way.



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Vlad the Impaler was a master at intimidation...you did as he commanded or you suffered the direst of consequences. There were no in betweens where he was concerned. He fought with a single minded purpose and though some said he was a maniac, and he possibly was, you can't deny the fact that he accomplished a great many feats in his time on earth...



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Yep that he did and that is because he had a one track mind. People that strive only for one purpose and that was freedom for his people and to maintain a society that was not full of choas always will succeed.

But what pisses me off about the popularity of Vlad is that it is all based on myths that were created by misconceptions. None of his popularty is based on what he has done but on what he never was and never has done. It is ashame really and people need to really stop thinking he was a vampire or a warlock or some mythical creature. They need to put into fact that he is a man of great power for his time and like so many rulers he was respected and feared by his people and others. He should be known for what he has done for his people and not be known for being an influence in Stoker's novels.



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Yet I'm curious, though. If it weren't for these false labels and myths, how many would still remember him outside of Romania?



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Only people fasinated with real history would even know him. He was a big name in Romania and amoungst that area of the world and I am sure that he would be studied even if Stoker never used the term "Dracula"... But on sites like this and amoungst thousands of web pages I doubt he will be known or as known.


Anyway oddly enough I am using him as one of the characters for a story.. He is a Damned Angel and his storyline does involve the concept of him being a child of a fallen angel... But that is only because I was looking for historical and recognizable figures for the concept. I am using a few others as well that can fit into the part.



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05:00:18 Mar 09 2007
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I agree whole heartedly with the goblinqueen...He was a man that protected his people and his territory no matter what the cost, and thats what he should be remembered for.



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Glad people agree with me. I personal will admitt I would have never even heard of Vlad without Stoker connection but I am not a fool into thinking he was a vampire or an immortal. Yes I am using him as a character and yes he is immortal but I am only playing on the fact of the myth surrounding him... Not because I actually believe in it.



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Well, I suppose what I said would count towards any historical figure or event that's been glammorized over the years; had the same disccusion regarding the popularity of the Lord of the Rings had the movies never been made.

(fallen-angel idea sounds interesting; I just have him as is, that he or a relation married a vampire to produce a vampiric descendant)



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Yeah if you are interested in my concept and idealogies on angels and fallen angels just message me. ^^ I just don't want to give away to much here or get the discussion off the subject.



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I didnt really know vlad the impaler was dracula, the two were told completely different. i guess alot of research does it...



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Howie,
Tepes was NOT Dracula; He was a crown prince of Romania. He did some crazy shit, just as many political rulers do. Dracula is fiction, based on a composite of alot of mythology and folk superstition.



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Vlad the Impaler is a scary guy that I would only hope was never romanticized. He was a brutal ruler who tortured and killed so many.



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1.) Vald III was a prince of the region He spent relitively Little time actually in this role he was captured and held serveral times during his life.
2. Vald II his father was a knight of the order of the Dragon ( Societas Draconis ) A Catholic group of some power and influence.
The myths and well PR this man had going for him was great concidering from my reading right now in Wikipedia he might have spent a sum total time as ruler of Wallachia (6 years). He lived out ther remainder of his life being held captive till his death in Romania. Vlad Tepes (Dracula) what ever name you want to give him was a smart crafty crazy like a fox he had things going for him like a good Alliance with firt the very empire he strovve so hard to destroy letter the Ottoman then a number of Romanian nobles..Infact when he first took teh throne as it were the Ottomans put him there at a puppet he later ran the turks out of country because he truly did hate the new ruler and the new ruler wanted to place his younger brother Radu on the throne yes all our little horror movie names show up in Vlads very own history the name of Michael Corvinas included.
The thing credited to him may be true he did have a lust for doing great bodily harm to those he saw as his enemies. From what I have read he staked(impaled) the out often alive as this was the practice of the time.
Ther is actually and when I can find it a very good documentary on him and his life on the History channel.
He is an interesting person to be sure he did what he thought was right and did it.



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Another thread about this? People is getting really boring talking about this subject? I wonder how many of you ever stepped in Romania and learn the true story about Vlad Tepes? How many of you know the real facts and not the legend embalmed subjects that you find even on the "history" channels?
Vlad Tepes was never the ruler of Romania... He was the ruler of Wallachia aka. Tara Romaneasca... He was the son of Vlad Dracul, who got his name from the very people he ruled who never knew the name of Dragon Order Medal he received and instead named it after the local saying of Dragon, who resembled a little with the old Dacian flag, which represented a wolf head but in some regions was a sort-of-a-dragon or "balaur"...
Indeed, Vlad Tepes was sort of insane, but his insanity was partially fuelled by the legends he spread about himself, in order to scare his enemies...
Mathias Corvinus was one of the men who's betrayal led to Vlad's death, after Vlad helped him...
Search out the old romanian chronicles to find out more about the true Vlad...



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Hmmm.... do you mean idol?



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Within a few years he had killed over
40 000 people, well thats what i have read.



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u people don't know anything vladislave tepes is my oldest grandfather and i know the truth about him he was a great ruler he tortured those that raped kill women and children for all those people he killed he was just protecting his people if u really want to know the truth go to romania and people there will tell u the same



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... To be totally honest, I think he had antisocial personality disorder.

Yes, yes I think that would cover it !


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these days its hard to think of the man instead of the the story they have been writing and making movies about kind of lost touch with the real man and the real story..i feel he was a very impressive worrier and thought he was fighting for what he believed in...



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not sure neer really thouh about it



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I agree...Tepes and Dracula are NOT the same person...and I have also read some of the informtion that Meeper refers to as well, alot of things have been turned and twisted over time, but no matter how crazed he became in the end...he did protect his people and was one the highest regarded intimidators of all time...



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07:58:31 Mar 10 2007
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Vlad although was a brilliant warrior was also quite mad he was known to have cut off the breast of woman sometimes and put the babies head there and impale the two together
that way. it was said that he had impaled over 1500 people most still alive and it looked like a forest there were so many and this forest moaned. He did know how to keep people away and strike fear into the hearts of any who went against him



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10:45:00 Mar 10 2007
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ok, so the opinions here are repeating, and for reals, the Vlad Tepesh thing has been worked into the ground. Let's give it a rest.

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