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Vampire Hunters, have evolved along with Vampires, as vampires become more complex, so do the "Generation" of vampire hunters.


I would like both Imaginative responses, based on literary vampire stories. What versions of Vampires hunters are a stable for writers?

As well as any concerns that those who identify as vampires, (because if some identify as vampires, then the counter opposite would be reasonable as well. Or do you disagree, and Why?




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I had some come after me …. There just a faction of extremist Christians .. threw water on me (holy I hope) and when at work went through my hose looking for stuff … they found it too and vandalized it… did I tell you my x wife’s family are religious nutters



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Notable point you make, how out is it safe to be? I bet they prayed for your damned soul as well. Those that are out reach groups, do they need to take such a possiblity serious?



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I found the following at wiki.

They were usually either born on Saturday (then called Sabbatarians, Bulgarian sâbotnichav) or the offspring of a vampire and a woman (typically his widow), called a dhampir in Romani or a vampirović in Serbian; both facts gave them the innate capability of detecting vampires (and sometimes other supernatural entities as well). In the case of the Sabbatarians, it was believed in some places that they needed to be fed with meat from a sheep killed by a wolf (Bulgarian vâlkoedene); this would enable them not to fear the things they saw.

In some traditions, the killing of vampires was only performed by vampire hunters. Aside of the well-known manners of execution (staking the corpse, burning it etc) that were normally entrusted to them, the hunters were also capable of using other methods such as enticing the invisible creature with music and then shooting it, or throwing its hat or head-cloth into the water and telling it to go fetch it (which caused it to drown).

I would imagine modern vampire hunters would need to sort out the Role Players from the Vampire community first. Such skills would avoid tragic mistakes.



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I fear for those mentally frail impressionable individuals who are easily scared into reaction to persuasion of some convincing people that assume the identity of Vampires.



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https://current.com/items/86254861_21st_century_vampire_killers

a book on real vampyre deaths

http://www.geocities.com/elizabeth_ayn.geo/vamphunt.html
this website is a hunter supposedly
a Samantha from Toronto Canada



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Does this site you post make a convincing case to you that such things likely exist? Does she present any fictious sources to support her claim of Identity.



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i live in a village of rednecks farmers of 900 of population the only one of my kind been there almost 10 years now but the first month i had the priest and some christian ppls spraying holy water on my house and the priest ask me to go in to do i don't know what said no loll i thought they we're gonna burn me in the middle of the village lollll not it's ok i've been accepted as the vampire of the village lollll



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i dont know if she's real or not dabbler, few weeks ago i tried looking up hunter societies online with out much luck and i found her. i do know they do exist in two forms, the first being religious fanatics just like exorcists do exist. the second being social clubs that go around doing monster quest type stuff.



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"I would imagine modern vampire hunters would need to sort out the Role Players from the Vampire community first. Such skills would avoid tragic mistakes."

This word you use Dabbler..."tragic"...I do not think it means what you think it means.

And iam, dont forget culinary clubs!



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Funny … Canada … im in Calgary right now … I was attacked by the group in a small town called Whitecourt … red necks for sure…. My English accent and anti religious comments alerted them to me…. they made friends .. I like to debate
They Started to sing religious songs in my house so I said stop as I have just come home from work and that gives me a headache.
They even had a cross erected with a life size JC pined to it … I campaigned for such a image to be removed from public site … what is kids seen that .

Just glad they didn’t hurt my kids …. Mind you after I left the town the church they go to was burnt down to the ground …. Just goes to show gods work in mysterious ways lol

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Oh I had my share of encounters with religious nutcases, but fortunately, I hadn't shared any info on my 'condition' with them. If they're ignorant enough to believe wholeheartedly that the earth is 6000 years old, I don't want to test the bounds of their hypocrisy and intolerance as well.



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Isn't there a difference between Vampire hunters and Christian extremists?



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Good question …..
The vampire hunters I know are Christian and believe in the cross image so it combats the vampire.
Holy water … Christian again …. Bible … I see a theme …..

There are other types of vampires and dispatched by other means … but living in the western side of the world … western methods are used?

iv only known one type myself



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Yes, there are many different kinds. There are the religious nutcases that you will mainly be annoyed by if you choose to live in the open. Then there are the OTHER religious nuts who will do quite a bit more than just throw holy water and pray over you out of a sense that vampires are pure evil etc. etc. Then there are others who enjoy a good hunt or have some personal reason that is not religious at all.



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In fictional accounts some vampire hunters are open to co-operating with vampires, noting I imagine the aid in taking out the Dangerous/Unethical Vampires instead of the Moderate vampires.



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Oh by Tragic Mistake I first meant no pun.. and second I refer to a human getting staked for being a little "vampire like" in behavior.



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In full the female that was cited earlier, much of her statements echo that of somebody with a psych related problem, if she was to engage in her acts in the united states she would quickly locked up in a mental correctional facility.

It echos in large a paranoid mind set. "They are real and are always out to get me." kind of behavior.

If she is a fake, she is most likely on some kind of drugs, or should be.



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She could be encouraged by those that press their identity as vampires, giving here a logical base for her conclusions.



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Very true, that is a possible factor in her concepts, in the end her identity as a hunter would only be as true as those who have placed their ideas on her, still resulting in a dangerous person.



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In fiction, they always seem to fall into two main categories.

The first rely on opportunity and planning. They know they can't compete in a one on one fight so they use every bit of knowledge and planning to win. Abraham Van Helsing was probably the best example of this. This is usually the most common simply because it is the most believable I feel.

The other type is the one that goes toe to toe with the vampire and fights them on their own turf. Buffy the Vampire Slayer is probably the best example of this. These hunters rely on strength and usually supernatural abilities to accomplish their goals. Sometimes these hunters walk a thin line where they are very close to becoming a monster as well. Blade would be an example of this.

Just my two cents.



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You must not also forget a third set who have only the power of religion. The vampire is seen as a demon, either from without or within, that must be exorcised or eliminated or some such crap through a final battle where the protagonist is almost always saved through faith, while the monster is destroyed. Thats how its is usually written in fiction anyway.

Occasionally you see accounts where the vampire is not given to have grossly overpowering talents or abilities that must be overcome. They are written as being more human, if you will, and the protagonist is freed to be less inhuman as well.



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'Vampire Slayer' Shoots Man In Face
Suspect Reportedly Fascinated With Zombies, Vampires

POSTED: 6:28 am EST March 15, 2004
UPDATED: 6:26 am EST March 16, 2004


Police in Jacksonville, Fla., arrested a man who believed he was a 'vampire slayer' after he allegedly shot his Domino's Pizza co-worker twice in the face because he thought he was a vampire, according to Local 6 News.



'Vampire Slayer' Shoots Man In Face At Fla. Pizza Shop


Timothy White, 35, who was described by friends as a born-again Christian with an unusual preoccupation with zombies and vampires, was arrested outside of a church after Friday's shooting.

Witnesses said he walked into the pizza shop on Normandy Boulevard and allegedly said David Harrison looked like a vampire. He then allegedly shot Harrison in the face and stomach.

Police said White was heavily armed with a knife, a sawed-off shotgun and three pistols when he was taken into custody.

Harrison is listed in critical condition at a local hospital.

A grief counselor was brought in to help Domino's employees.

White remains in the Duval County Jail Monday.

Watch Local 6 News for more on this story.

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theres crazy's out there



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the one thing we vampires have to worry about is if the slayers were to somhow gain the ability to move as we do. Otherwise there isn't much to worry about. I mean I'm still here aren't I? and if you'll check my profile you will know for exactly how long I have been here.



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so what you are saying is that you are a fixed target?



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yes and no. If they want me they can come get me. Granted they can find me. and even if they do they don't know what I have in store for them. I like to have fun with slayers, then send them packing in defeat. To date I have not yet had to severly injure any slayers, and no no killing them, their blood tastes putrid.



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so you claim to have encountered vampire hunters, what you call slayers?



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would it matter what they call them selves if they are out to hurt or kill what they precive to be vampires or vampyers then are they not dangerous.



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I imagine it is the Law of opposites, a negating of one force by a counter force, Vampires are designed to be super human, so a souped up human going after them is the creative decompression to mans fear, the fear of .. "What if vampires exist."

So in fiction, the only danger is to vampires.



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for if we are different in thought and look would not society react to persacution of the kind, (salem witch Hunts) yet vampire hunters as stated have probably evolved with the vampire society of today and methods of persacution and even death may come relivaint in the ways of driving vampire society once again to the sub levels of society. whether religious or community actions against them.



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i´m pretty sure hunters evolved too... for modern vampires, modern hunters... they changed the stakes for other weapons... subtle, but dangerous anyway...

i live in a very conservative South American Country and sometimes being exposed as different is as deadly as a stake...



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the one thing we vampires have to worry about is if the slayers were to somhow gain the ability to move as we do. Otherwise there isn't much to worry about. I mean I'm still here aren't I? and if you'll check my profile you will know for exactly how long I have been here.

What exactly do you mean by "move as we do?" Are you implying that vampires are any different than other human beings? We've almost confirmed here that vampire 'hunters' are no more than Christian extremists or untested mental cases.

And you have not been here for 1341 years, btw...


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Rainevampire said it well, being different is enough to incite an attack, especially when humans are hard-pressed economically, psychologically. Best to keep a low profile.



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I think that if history has taught us anything it is that for every villan there is a hero. For every good there is a bad. For every up there is a down.

As long as there are vampires out here, there is always going to be someone who thinks that their job is to exterminate them in the name of "good". Everything has to have an equal balance.

I myself was born with gifts. My mother's family are bible thumpers who proclaimed my gifts were from the devil. My father's people however thought they were gifts from god.

Therefore I say watch out my fellow vampires. For history proves that for every one vampire there is going to be a vampire slayer. And although we are in a time of acceptance for the different history will repeat itself once again.



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Vampire hunters exist and it is a shame that people will kill what they fear or persecute it. Unfortunately it shows alot about us as a whole and I mean humanity as a whole. On many vampire sites people have run across vampire hunters and have been persecuted and even killed by these people, so be careful in all that you do and say, because every action has a reaction! It is a ripple effect, so be cautious. Do not hide who you are, but also do not televise it. It is a sad state of affairs when you can not be who you truly are and have to hide or limit the access of people knowing. I do not hide who or what i am from noone, but I am not going to scream it from the highest hills either. Best bet is to use discretion and live your life how you feel it should be lived and do the best you can with who and what you are and never be ashamed of it, but do not exploit it either use discretion and you know who you can trust and who you can not.



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persacution of what society dictates as not norm. huh many cases have been known to exist. yet are these so called vampire hunters killing real people for the cause or in their mind they are potraying themselves as Van Helsing after the undead. for many I feel will be killed for an unjust act or punished in some way for the values of their lifes they see as norm.



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Ever hear about Troll busting? Those that do it get homeless people every time not one case of mistaken identity. Do homeless people press themselves on the public? Yes activist do. Do people ID as vamires press themselves on the public. Yes they do. So do vampires exist? If the answer is yes, then vampire hunters have the right to hunt those that step out of line. Sure a few maybe fanatics. But would you deny there are people who ID as vampires who are fanatics.



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well given point dabbler, yet the fanatics as you said are there, yet the majority of the those that just claim to have the life style and fantasiy of the vampire are still under persecution of these vampire hunters. much like salem witch hunts, with the means of torture that none would survive to claim they are a witch or to say they are so death would be better than the torture. would this not also happen into society.



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a person goes to jail for killing another human, that person had reason ( provided by the person)to believethat person was actually a vampire. Is henot right?



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society would deem these individuals as insane, and lock them in padded rooms, for vampires are myth and in science it is treated that way. persecution of the living vampires and the sub cultures will eventually play into this with the amount of those coming out with claims of vampiric ways. society will eventually tighten its hold on these practices and laws will be developed.



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So what of the people that fear their children will be exposed to vampires, and become donors? Do they not have a right to expect the vampires to have some counter force?

The sub culture needs to consider their out reach, and moderate accordingly. This in your face mentality will understandable draw a target on them, perhaps even fanning the ambers of those that would Identify as vampire hunters. the stronger the allusion, the stronger the possibility.



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understandable, yet as we see donors(blood) we assume that it is free will and not kidnapped or drug to do so. I see the society point of view and laws would moderate such things. like drinking laws at certain ages.

but vampire hunters would be out to destroy the life that they think of as vampiric or even fasination into the culture. a little different than a donor. unless its causes death. death no matter the culture is wrong. so terms of both would have to be deemed and pratical. much like vampiric hunters would we not see and increase in all (dark) (hate that word) hunters for werewolfs, witches, in our culture.



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euresken...you almost make me want to openly guffaw while asking what set of dice you use in your game....
and then back to topic...
I did meet one guy, who threatened to come after me because I was"a creepy vampire fuck" to quote this fine member of society...so I invited him to come down to where I work during the day, so I could throw his ass in handcuffs and arrest him for stupidity, when he refused I told him option two was shut up and go away or we would have to see who would come out on top in the back alley, i've never seen him again



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that is okay for you all to persecute me but I will agree with dabbler that if there are vampires that act out in a way that endangers anyone they should be removed from society.



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very true with the above post , our culture deems acts of violence no matter the society is a harm to society and should be punished for it, no excuses.



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As much as one likes to think themselves persacuted that is clearly not the case, people disagree with you yes, but stating that disagreement is not persacution. Aside from that though, what persacution are you addressing? Are not other factions of those who Idenifiy as vampires just as critical of your claim? Would you say you are persacuted by them as well. What is the victim role all about?



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persacution within a vampiric society, yes i would say so look at society for example there is someone always disliking someone, why not in that society.



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Wise words dabbler, I guess were talking to three class’s of thoughts.
Skeptic , believer and lifestyle.
Skeptic is safe as you only have to ask for proof based on the level you feel would prove.
Believers feel it is there and thus believe or leave a large gap between logic and myth.
Lifestyle … well depending on what floats your boat lol

Vampire is an expression of darkness fear and sexuality, it feels real, and has done for thousands of years, ann rice made our darkest fear and desires have a soul if you will …. Truth is vampires are our darkest fear and I think it is in our DNA just like we fear spiders n snakes, I feel it comes from nephilim and there interfering with us all those years ago



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there does seem to be something very primal about the fear many have of vamps. like something archetypal. whatever it is, while ive had some christers freak out before, ive always had the upper hand, and will retain it as long as i dont do something stupid.



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Whether it is christian nutcases, specific or general intolerance and fear of something outside the norm, whatever...I think you are really missing the mark still.

Vampires...just...taste...better. :P

Fix that and you have no worries. Sadly its not possible to find one willing to donate you a leg or an arm so death is a necessary evil. Gotta go take a roast out of the oven. Night all.



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some here are making a point that if a vampire acts out in a dangerous way, then they need to be removed from society....
this can be taken further....this idea works no matter who you are or what you claim to be....
if you are a danger to society, then society can do without you



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Proper agencies are in place, such as civilized people tend to do ( abuses of said agencies is even monitored).

In fiction it is not uncommon for vampires to seek aid from vampire hunters. Some watching the generational advancement of the Slayers.



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see myself...I work in security....I see all the time people who are outside this "proper" manner of acting.....it matters not if they are normal, vampire, otherkin, or the frog fucking prince for all I care...
they become dangerous where I work....I place them in handcuffs and arrest them...that goes for anyone man/woman/or child



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So who will police the hunting season?
Over here one has to draw from a lottery to get the chance to hunt and only the type of animal it says……. Lol



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That sounds ideal, compansation for prolifice flux in vampire population should be considered as well.



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I have thought about this actually in the past like vampire hunters and witch hunters now adays it's concidered murder rather then preforming a good deed or an act of god

as vampirism evolves have the different ways to protect yourself against vampires also changed? do vampire hunters use other things to kill vamps? thats a thought I've been thinking about now vampireisim is looked at as a religion before that it was a lifestyle and before that it was the undead it's soooooooo far fetched no one knows what to believe.

and those who aren't thinking the way vampires or those who claime to be vampires say that those who are that way havea condition are on medication are crazy and need professional help but I've spoken to many of them have many friends like that.. and heck I've even lived with one their noyt crazy their just steriotyped and missunderstood! smiles thats what my friend jess always says lol

but I mean when you sit and have a convo with someone who claims to be a vampire you really start to see their point of veiw.

I've not heard of hunters hunting vamps or hating them killing of staking them now I have heard of witch hunters and but htats another story lol!

I've heard of vampires killing, and now a days those who practice the sterio type way havea more humane way of feeding which is a good thing for my sake and anyone else who's human's sake



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Oh how strange and I always thought that Sabbatarians/Sabbatarianism was a christian belief that Saturday rather than Sunday should be the day of rest. You do of course know that the Sabbath in hewbrew (Shabat means to rest)

Lol, oh well as I was born on a Saturday you Vampires had better watch out!


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As long Vanpires walk earth, there wil be hunters. Most of the organized religions, see Vampirism as a branch of the Devil, and for this reason, they are the hunters.



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personally I like the arcane vampire hunters over the religious hunters. They are more likely to ally with vampires against other vampires, in fiction that makes a good plot twist everytime. Especially in the scene where the hunter thanks the vampire for baiting the trap.



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That twist of the arcane hunters is vry plausable, in a fiction type of way. yet that would mean that the vampire that was an allie to hunter, yet for what purpose, destroy all those who take from him?



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Arcane hunters are more plausible. But in today's age It the overzealous christian types. Especially where I live at.
(bible belt).

Speaking of, I ran across this story from a Orlando Fla news channel article from 2004:

Police in Jacksonville, Fla., arrested a man who believed he was a 'vampire slayer' after he allegedly shot his Domino's Pizza co-worker twice in the face because he thought he was a vampire, according to Local 6 News.

So it still happens. The article goes on to say the guy who did this was a " born again christian."



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19th century Vampire hunter kit sells for almost $15 grand recently.

It contains:

• Creepy-looking cross.
• Bible.
• Hand gun and silver bullets.
• Holy oils.
• Holy water.
• Mirrors.
• Candles.
• Garlic.
• Badass wood and metal stake with added cross for vampiric extra-pain.
• Extra wood stakes, just in case.

Go here for a look:

http://gizmodo.com/5089477/real-19th-century-vampire-killing-kit-is-a-must-in-current-economic-climate



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Sneaky question Cadre Are you probing for clues to my position on such knowledge?



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Dabbler, How could something be killed if not of lfesh and blood, for spirits are enerrgy to say and if you try to stake them you pass thru. so hollywood had a reason to imploy the killing of vampires. for in hollywoods eyes all evil could be killed no matter what for the good guys had to win. If you have some insight would like to hear it. posion the blood? gralic, holy water?. More questions for the hunters out there. real life is not like the Lost Boys." death by stereo" yeah lol



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Berry White has a set of Silver Pipes.. Makes me wonder...



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if wall mart made a set it would be all plastic anyways....
and actually killing a vampire was simply destroying the body inhabited by the demon



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killing the body would destroy all of the vampire, for it could not escape if dead.

back to the thread.......
Vampire hunters today, yes why not.



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Well in agreement with PETV All vampire hunting will now be Vampire Trappers.



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Trappers I hope there live traps, lol come dabbler vampirre trappers, for science or study .



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now now, enterrtainment this kinda reminds me of several hollywood films where they want to study and yes of course release into the world and now a plague. so entertainment a circus affair???/



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Geeks are so 1800s, Right now a captured vampire.. Would attract both belivers, and skeptics seeking amusement if not study.. Though for an extra fee they are invited to observe closer then the general admission.



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But yet the holder of such atraction would be rich for monatary purpose not to enlightnen the society of vampires in belief and myth or scientific results, like super predators for military or life saving actions like cure for certain diseases that plague our world. pure money envolved i see it that way.



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now calmed down, think of the raafications not only from the military on vampire existance, but of the religious side would be up in arms on the discovery be like discovering loch ness or ufo's. man the world would just go up in revaltions.



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Trapping is best. It allows one to purge them for 48 hours to remove toxins before slaughter.



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How does one separate the pretend vampires from actual vampires?



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well like said before we do not know if hollywoods fables actual kill true vampires, we do not know if sunlight will fry them or holy water will burn them. its all fable to kill the evil. so we must at the point of time study and decide if a true vampire exists and than the fable or myths will be revealed. much like I am legend a cure for the cause to say. study ,analyse and document.



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And a good cage prepared to hold one when captured..



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now what if the hollywood version is correct and they become shapeshifters and turn to mist. what cage would hold such a thing. always a catch huh Dabbler.



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Oh There are preparations.. If Jason can be caught, then a vampire can be caught as well, at least a younger one that has not emerged into their mystic powers.



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well jason has been never caught.... and i am skeptical that a vampire at any age in their life would be inprisoned. for study or what they are very elusive and loners usually. much like predators and their turfs. yet as a community you nmay bargin for more than you may handle...



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By the examples here they appear to wave flags, I wonder if those who identify as vampires wpuld scream out.. I am a human after being set up and trapped for presenting themselves as a vampire to a lovely attractive thick veined naive bait



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Only a few here wave flags per say, others have claimed or denied anything for the beliefs are theirs like the rest of the worlds. we have text and hollywood to give the hipe of these days. newspapers that present horror to humanity everyday. and such the mind does escape to dreams and fantasy for if not we would all be insane.......hunters are not only effecting vampiric cultures but goths, race wars and witches. beleifs of people are no longer valued but shunned.....



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I think not beliefs are shunned but people that press their beliefs as anything but beliefs are shunned.



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No one presses there beliefs that i have seen, vampire hunters of today would just be mass murders. for if a child saaid i was a vampire, energy or blood , stake thru the heart, or off with their heads. Hollywoods version would go up in dust and smoke, but mortals don't sorry.

so in my opion is that no matter what hunters are out there, hunters as in racism against individuals

hunters against society as radicals and terrosits

we see this and now as the vampire culture seems to grow now we have our own hunters to deal with.



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we society no matter what there is always a hunter for anyone wether its culture ,society, religion or science.



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"What exactly do you mean by "move as we do?" Are you implying that vampires are any different than other human beings?"
I was wondering about that statement too.Ive yet to meet one who moved any faster than I do.Quite the contrary,most who make the claim are ..rather sickly.Many suffer from Anemia and other maladies.(I see more complaints of illness by the so called Vampires here than all other peeps combined)Their pranic energy is almost non exsistant,so that also renders them weak in other "phycic" abilities.Therefore making them weak and slow across the board..How they could taste better Rasta,I'll never know,but Ill take your word for it..But regardless or all of it?
Vampire=human
Vampire hunter=Human
Vampire hunter kills vampire=murder
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Grand equation the Tabloid Media Frenzy will permeat the Mainstream media.



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Yes Cadre..in all societies,the human is pretty much a predator.
Eyes in the front of the head,not on the side..you know?



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That was well said Oceanne, a true statement. like the matrix quote we are a virus on this planet we infest everything and anything.

we take and take tell their is no more.



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Thanks Cadre.It just always kills me when I see references made implying Vampires are the predator in this equasion,as opposed to a "human".Because as I stated earlier,seems to me that the Vampire is the weaker form of human.



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Oceanne -

Do you truly consider those weaker persons claiming to be vampires here are, indeed, ... vampires? For that matter, would true vampires (assuming such would actually be at this site) feel it necessary to emulate all those here claiming to be vampires by revealing themselves to be... vampires?

Is it not far more likely that the weaker amongst us, those who are emotionally and/or psychologically more unstable, those for whom it is thus far more important to be perceived as greater than they are, would be the very ones far more likely to portray themselves as ... powerful, seductive, supernaturally gifted, predatory ... vampires?


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You lost me Umpir.



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Is this is what is being said-Vampires to be the weakest here,

we have all facts of life here and emotionaly or not we all hold weakness in our own rights.



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Thats exactly it Upir..But I do believe there are Vampires at this site.They really dont reveal themselves,and if and when they do,it is pretty subtle.None of this strong arm stuff.So for a hunter,I think that might be something to really think about.
And Cadre,No,Im not saying that Vampires are weaker persey..just that most of those who claim to be are.They way they are built,the way they act and their mental and emotional capacities.And I say this not with the intention of putting anyone down either..its just what I see more often than not.
However, this is just an observation that is really only beginning to come to light in my mind because of the topic ,and I havent quite formed any solid conclusions on it yet.
Think I might start a thread on it though,if I can come up with a question that will kick start it.



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Cadre,to touch on that a bit more..I feel while yes,we do all have weaknesses,a true Vampire is going to be genetically stronger,resulting in stronger immune systems,emotional stability and higher intelligence than the average human despite that.And in no way are they immortal,but might percieved to be, as they would not be suseptible to the ravages of free radicals as others,therefore appearing to age slower etc...
So Vampire hunter/trapper 101 =How to tell a wannabe Vamp from a real one.
Shrugs~ just something to think about.



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Yes oceanne, but as hunters as a new age how would they see this , or tell the difference. we wouldn't want any murders out in society killing people at no disretion at raves or any other clubs for thought they were vampiric.



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Many vampire hunters seem to think they know what they are doing, but many, if not all of them, do not. I bet there are probably some vampire hunters on the Rave.... it would not surprise me. To kill the enemy, you must know the enemy. And many profile pages might be a lie.

But vampire hunters, as in humans who stalk and kill vampires, are not real. Why? Because a vampire isn't seen as a vampire. Humans see vampires as humans. It takes a vampire to know one, so unless vampires are killing other vampires.... "vampire hunters" don't exist. These people will be found out and seen by the police, or law enforcement, as serial killers.

Not vampire hunters... murderers. Because to human police, a vampire death would appear to be a human death. Vampires have no outward distinguishing features from humans. It's all discernible by a mental thing. Anyone that thinks otherwise is not a real vampire at all. (And would probably be better off not thinking that they are.)



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a friend of mine found this on the web... trying to find where i put the address but i thought it was relevant to the thread.

*****

Look what I found on the web



REAL VAMPIRE SLAYERS

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THE COUNCIL IS IN NEED OF WATCHERS & SLAYERS


posted: January 18, 2002


Remember all those monsters and beings you feared as a child?
All the things your parents and family assured you could not be?
They were wrong.



Demons and evil owned this world long before we arived. And they never left. The question on your mind most likely is,
"Why would the council place a request of this type on the Internet?" The answer? Because no one would expect it. Only those pure of heart will belive it and need apply for one of the two jobs.



NEEDED ARE:

An unlimited number of Watchers, and
An unlimited number of Slayers.



It is not recommened that anyone quit their day jobs as neither Watchers nor Slayers are paid as the jobs are duties to the world.




WARNING


ONLY THOSE PURE OF HEART AND SOUL MAY APPLY. BOTH ROLES ARE DANGEROUS TO OCUPY AND THE LIFE OF EITHER IS EXCITING YET SHORT.
REST ASSURED, ALL MEMBERS OF OUR TEAM ARE RESPECTED, LOVED,AND
MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, BACKED AT ALL TIMES.





REQUIREMENTS:


WATCHERS


Watcher's must be able to hold a large amount of knowledge as well as a high standard of silence towards the information held in the council. A Watcher must be able to train others in the arts of protection. The Watcher must also be able to use computers well enough to acsses web sites and on-line medical information. A Watcher must be trust worthy and abuse of the title of power a Watcher recives will result in instant termination.




SLAYERS


Unlike Watchers, slayers are chosen on their physical abilities.
A Slayer is chosen each time a Slayer dies. The Slayer does of course have watcher at her side either physicly or over the internet due to the travel distance involved. A Slayer will be made to be slightly more than human - stronger, faster, and more resilient. The Slayer is the counterpoint to the evil of the world. The candidates must be able to take orders and have disipline.



For a 101 on some of the worlds most dangerous demons, continue down.


To apply now send application to the e-mail address below.


In the application simply answer theses following questions.

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Why do you feel you would do well a the Slayer/Watcher?

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What training (if any) do you have such as teaching courses
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Describe how you would handle a battle against vampires.
One small and silent, one with the same qualities as yourself, and the third large and slow.
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DEMONS



Vampires
Vampires have exsisted for thousands upon thousands of years.
They began when a blood drinking deamon atacked a human with a blood disorder. The human's body took the cange to create a half Demon, half human creature. The vampire. Vampire's do not fly, change shape, or die at the touch of sunlight. They do however, live very long lives, have sensitive senses to the sun, and drink blood. Vampire's are killers. As quoted by a 200 yr old vampire Devon,: "Vampire's are myth. They sleep in coffins and wear capes. We shop at the Gap, drive sports cars, and spend a hour a day in the tanning salons."




Machida
Machida is an enormous demon snake-monster which brainwashes young men into sacrificeing young woman. He stands at 14' tall and 3' wide.




The Brotherhood of Seven
The 'seven' in their name reflects both the number of demons, as well as the length of the cycle, and gap btween, their evil.
They have the capacity to take the form of humans.



Lastly, the title of Demons consist of everything from Witches to Werewolves to Bezor to Incubi.







THE BEST OF LUCK TO ALL APPLICANTS. I WILL BE IN TOUCH.THANK YOU.


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so ya i think religious nuts covers it.



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cadrewolf
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18:41:58 Dec 12 2008
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Interesting where did you find this?



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Oceanne
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19:03:37 Dec 12 2008
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That is interesting Iam,thanks for the post.

"Yes oceanne, but as hunters as a new age how would they see this , or tell the difference. we wouldn't want any murders out in society killing people at no disretion at raves or any other clubs for thought they were vampiric."

Well,if it were me Cadre,other than observation and taking into account the traits I pointed out above,Id take full advantage of technology at hand.And I would basically put them in the crosshairs as I would anyone I was checking out in depth.Checking a background thorougly etc..including their family and friends.
Humans are also habitual,and that would be something I use as a tool.
All kinds of things one can do really,as our resources are all but unlimited.But murder is muder,no matter what else we might call it.No matter where it happens.



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Oceanne
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19:39:19 Dec 12 2008
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I would also work alone and would certainly not be a part of any group or "chosen"

Iam,that is a good find,but to be honest it sooo reminds me of something from a game or a movie.
Utterly ridiculous.
I mean seriously,all that rigamarole to be a Vampire hunter.?
In reality,I would say to be a Vampire hunter would pretty much be like being white feather.



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VR System
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