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Is the power of sugestion something that can be used to make a person think they have become something or that they have special abilitys. Do truly have it or do they just think they have it?

example below is a spell from off line, many people have said they have transformed from it, because the spell said they would

1Light the candle.
Step2In a bowl, mix the bloods, water and hair together.
Step3As you mix, chant “Magic, Magic, enter unto me. Vampire transformation, is what it shall be. Bring me the powers, bring me the feeling. Bring me what I desire. So mote it be.”
Step4Repeat the verse again and this time as you repeat, pick up the potion and as you repeat the last line, “So mote it be”, pour the potion over the flame.
Step5It will take a full night for the change to occur, but once a human has turned, they will have all the desires and urge for the hunt as any other vampire has. A vampire will then need to feed on human blood within 12 hours to survive the transformation.

taken from

http://www.ehow.com/how_2323579_cast-spell-become-vampire.html


a second example people say they are cursing a person with words, or holds up a voodoo doll and starts destroying it , the victem starts to feel pain, or bad things start to happen , is it really happeing , could it happen or is just the power of sugestion?


what are your thoughts and views on this topic

Well, given my own views on vampirism, one cannot be turned via spell. That first one (which is all I care to address) is nonsense. If it even succeeded in giving the person 'cravings' or a 'need to hunt', it would be purely psychosomatic.

Besides, spellcrafting is needless psychodrama.

"Besides, spellcrafting is needless psychodrama."

I would love to know how you come to this conclusion when your own profile states:

"
I am an eclectic pagan. My beliefs are constantly being drawn from many religions worldwide. Druidism, shamanism, animism, satanism, as well as certain Eastern philosophies have influenced my spiritual journey. This section will be continuously added on to..."

under your religion.

a few of those are types of magical practice, if your views are that spell casting is false, then you may want to rethink your religious standings to reflect that standing.

further more:
Mytho's states that it is possible for spells to cause persons to transform, however with these things the intent to do so must be there, so if your a child looking for just sh*ts and giggles and not truly serious about whats happening it wont happen, if in your mind you believe what your doing to be false, then it will be false.

however,
if somebody choose with full intent to harm you with this spell, or a variation of it, who's to say it wouldn't work.
me myself ,I'm not one to try myself with it, in case I get presented with it at trial.

Ah the power of suggestion . Where to start here .

First it is a very real thing . A book I have read more than once called A witches guide to pshycic healing quoted a study where patients were placed under hypnosis and touched with a pencil eraser and told it was a lit cigg . they instantly developed blisters from the precived heat of the cool object . In reality they were being touched with a pencil but there mind in the altered state told there body it was hot and burning them so there body responded .

I find that telling people what they want to hear, is a hit or miss. However telling a person what they want to hear as if it was their idea, is a hit nearly every time. If one includes something correctable into a lie, then the person listening to you for hints of deception will be derailed from there usually accuracy. As profound as the power of suggestion is made to be in the occult, and psuedo-science community, what actually is, is far more Sinister.

I have just placed a new animation on my avatar.. it morphs ever so slightly once every 10-15 minutes.. watch it and see if you can tell if it is active.

"I have just placed a new animation on my avatar.. it morphs ever so slightly once every 10-15 minutes.. watch it and see if you can tell if it is active."


lmao priceless.

come to think of it, in the background, to the right there's something on the couch that moves ever so slightly

LouisLeMeer, I didn't say that spellcasting is false, I said it is needless psychodrama. In actual ritual, it serves merely as a means to aid in focus and concentration. One can visualize and will a certain result more effectively when speaking a written/memorized spell aloud. However, with sufficient concentration (neither I nor anyone I've ever met can focus THAT well) the spell itself is rendered obsolete. That doesn't include, however, the powerful seals and glyphs used in (what I would consider) powerful magick. Such seals often have power in themselves, and I wouldn't dream of, say, summoning a demon without the aid of such symbols.

I don't think that the spell would work. As many of us have stated, "vampires are born that way, no one can be turned" or in this case transformed into one. So are the majority of us just throwing out what we said before?

And as for the power of suggestion, it is highly successful because the most persusive people use it to get other people to do things, or get things that they normally would not.

Just my two cents worth.

The power of suggestion is incredibly powerful. People pychosomatically kill themselves all the time.

Rastaferal, do you have an example of that? Not that I'm challenging it; I've just never heard of it going that far.

Cannon WB. "Voodoo" Death. Am J Public Health. 2002;92:1593-6; Cannon, W.B. (1942) "Voodoo" death. American Anthropologist, 44: 169.

Lester, David, Voodoo Death: Some new thoughts on an old phenomenon. American Anthropolgist, New Series, Vol. 74, No. 3 (Jun., 1972), pp. 386-390.

Porges, Stephen, (1995). Orienting in a defensive world: Mammalian modification of our eveolutionary heritage. A polyvagal theory. Psychophysiology, 32, 301-318.

There are many many other articles on the concept...just google voodoo death and a bunch will pop up. The basics are simple though, they have ruled out poisons before a "spell" is cast on the victim. The victim dies either by wasting away or by fright...an inability of the parasympathetic nervous system to calm the afflicted. This of course begs the question, did the spell kill the victim? Or did the victims BELIEF in the spell kill the victim? Those who didn't believe were not affected.

Interesting. That's part of the reason I tell people not to believe in the power of others' spells. Even if the spell has power behind it, the lack of belief in it protects the target of said spell, both from psychosomatic effects, as well as creating negative thoughtforms that counteract any potential ones created by the spell itself.

Bottom line, power of suggestion can be more powerful than magick in many (if not most) cases.

This sounds like the Placebo effect. For example:

Someone thinks they are critically ill, seriously ill or whatever. They are given medication, so they think. What they are actually given is capsules that are empty, no powder inside them. The person takes these and because they think they are real medication they begin to feel better.

If someone wants to believe something works badly enough then I believe the mind starts to play tricks on you.

yes, the placebo effect is a name given to positive psychosomatic effects. We cant discount that the power of suggestion does indeed work in both directions. Faith or prayer healing for example...though the true believers WILL insist it was the prayer itself not thier belief.

The "power of suggestion" is responsible for a great many things as is shown in nearly every study on placebo effect. It's the most reasonable explanation for proclaimed religious experiences, encounters with ghosts and the oft-proclaimed "sensing of spirits". Sometimes it appears to be little more than allergies, misdiagnosed as "spirit energy" (which is an oxy-moron in the standard concept of a spirit). It should be remembered that spirits are usually suggested to be non-physical and energy, like it or not, is purely physical, purely detectable and not at all consistent with any claim of the non-physical.

Medical ethics are coming to the for front to account for Placebo Practices. The Voodoo reference is very jolting actually, it is not the only case either.

Yes, I believe the power of suggestion can be the leading cause behind a lot of those things. Like with the voodoo doll, a lot of people will panic and think something horrible is being done to them when they see it, and subconsciously do it to themselves through the belief that it was going to happen; in a sense, they curse themselves. I think that's actually the real power behind things like the voodoo doll and the spell you used as an example.

Add to the voodoo practice, their networking with people that may even have access to the person socially .. and you have a dangerous cocktail for "curses" being supported.

more on suggestion:

manipulation of the ignorance of others;
Some one who practices "witchcraft" may simply point their finger, or some type of "hollywoodish" action to those ignorant of the "craft" making them believe you are doing something to them.

It is funny to watch how they re-act btw ; )

Some people are very easy to manipulate into believeing they are something they are not.

yeah i belive people are easly played with, i have said to people i cures you to be misreable for the rest or your life, and they make them selfs misarble , trying not to make them selfs misarable lol

Interestingly enough many seem to think the power of suggestion is limited to sugar pills, voodoo curses and witch-craft. How many people would be prone to proclaiming that they see or "sense" ghosts or spirits if not for the suggestion that such entities actually exist?

The power of suggestion is likely responsible for the vast majority of proclaimed "supernatural experiences" or exposure to the paranormal. When you look to the facts, after thousands and thousands of years of claims, there remains today, zero objective evidence from which to work. If not power of suggestion, what else would it be?

Beastt17


can you share more please?

I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for, cryingmoon, so I'll offer some examples where power of suggestion has come into play.

One recent study focused on placebo-effect, though the test subjects believed they were engaging in a study on new treatments for chronic arm pain. The 266 test subject were divided into two groups of 133-subjects. One group was to test a new form of acupuncture and the second group, a new drug.

Before the testing started, all of the subjects were cautioned concerning certain side-effects they might experience. Then they were all asked to rate their arm pain on a scale of 1 to 10 before the treatments started.

During the 8-weeks of treatment, 31% of those testing the new drug suffered a variety of the expected potential side-effects. Three of them suffered so acutely, that researchers agreed to lower their dosage. When that failed to reduce the suffering, the subjects elected to drop out of the study. Of those receiving the acupuncture, only 25% experienced notable side-effects and none of them suffered so acutely as to find the need to abandon the program.

Upon the conclusion of the treatment phase, subjects were again asked to rate their arm pain on a scale of 1 to 10. It was found that their subjective rating showed the acupuncture to be markedly more effective than the drug; offering an over-all reduction in pain of 2.61. Those taking the drug rated the reduction in pain at 1.5.

But of course, this wasn't about the treatment methods. In fact, the "drug" was nothing but blue cornstarch pressed into pill form and the acupuncture needles were specially designed to retract rather than penetrate the skin. So all of the pain relief and all of the "experiences" of side-effects were simply due to power of suggestion. The subjects simply experienced what they expected to experience.

There are, of course, many other such examples but one is very common and is used as a high-school or college prank quite often. A group gathers for a party but secretly conspire to assure that one member of the group receives drinks which contain no alcohol. Almost every single time, the person receiving no alcohol will act just as intoxicated as their friends who are actually drinking alcoholic beverages. The "experience" what they expect to experience, even though they consume none of the agent responsible for those experiences.
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Another common example comes from devout followers of many religious faiths. There is one very popular faith where people proclaim that they have received a certain entity who dwells within them. But in places like the U.S., Canada and Australia, this faith has seen a decline of over 9.7% in a mere 11-year period. Many of the deconverted turn to atheistic or non-orthodox religious views. And when polled or questioned, most of them will admit that they had simply deluded themselves into believing they had experienced exactly what they had been told to expect.

I hope that offers some of what you were asking about, cryingmoon.

If you want to control your own internal suggestions that can either limit or empower yourself, along with understanding others.. take a Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) course.

That may be one way to distinguish what is true from what is only one's suggestion run away with their imagination. Another would simply be to learn and adhere to a standard of objective evidence. Our subjectivity is perhaps the greatest liar in our lives. Objective evidence doesn't lie.

As a wee lad I read a book on self hypnotism (I saw the author at a fair doing stage performance hypnotism) I actually raised the tempature of my arm, made my legs heavier, ans stiffend my arm. Now I measured the tempurature .. no noticable raise.. a friend raised my arm no problem. I success full performance in stage hypnotism involves a set number of shills (plants). So who infact is the suggestee ..? The audience or the people on stage. A third party excuse to act free from responsibiliy is offered by the hypnotist.

There are things we perceive which are real and things we can perceive which are unreal. But we are not powerless to know the difference if we are more dedicated to finding truth than we are to serving our emotions. When we can find objective evidence which when analyzed serves to corroborate our perceptions, we can establish a reasonable level of certainty that what we've perceived is real. If our perceptions are devoid of corroborating objective evidence, there is little cause to believe that the perceived reality is other than an attempt to serve our emotional desires.

Some will be quick to point out that our analysis of existing objective evidence also requires that we trust our perceptions and they are correct. But most, even when attempting to delude themselves to serve their desires, are not so disconnected from reality as to see registering waves on an oscilloscope when others observe a flat-line. One may insist that they have witnessed a man flying, unaided by any mechanical device. However, even those who may wish to believe a man can do such things, are not quick to dismiss cables, motors and harnesses when they are point out.

Out ability to selectively delude ourselves to serve what we wish rather than what is, is for most people, rather limited. One might wish to believe in unicorns and even proclaim they have seen a unicorn, but most, should they be provided with a close-up view of the animal they actually saw, will not continue to see a horn if no horn is present.

This is why most such claims are relegated to entities of pure intangibility. The more the objective evidence shows that they don't exist, the more the wishful will elevate the proclaimed properties of such entities to remove them from potential scrutiny by such objective evidences. This, along with devout emotional desire, is why gods, spirits, angels and after-lives have persisted, while Leprechauns, mermaids, unicorns and gremlins have fallen to mythology.

In the final analysis, none are any more likely to exist than any of the others. But those removed from objective scrutiny continue to persist in the minds of the wishful and creative, while those with properties subjecting them more directly to objective evidence, must be admitted to be myth.

And no, the statement "anything is possible", while very popular, is quite demonstrably incorrect.

So were volcanologists when people were happily tossing their children into volcanoes.

Were they wrong?

Who said they were happy? Besides, I thought the Christian missionaries put a stop to that. Who else would care enough?
*wink*

Here's a question:
Would you prevent Christians from being thrown to the lions?

Had I the power to do so, of course. Why do you insist on making this about Christians? It's about all beliefs of faith.

Well said, let it be about all faiths, and why bring up the lions thing? thought man went past the time that we burned, enslaved, and tossed christians to any kind of animal.

Beast, I'm just teasing.
*sigh*

[back on target]
I think there is something to the power of suggestion, however, empirical evidence suggests that it has little to do with the supernatural or mind control or flying spaghetti monsters and more to do with the flexibility of our will.

Daily affirmations, meditation, and "thinking positive" are popular because there's anecdotal evidence which indicates that they work. For some people. Probably.

With regard to voodoo and hypnosis... beats me; I've never seen evidence of either. My voodoo doll NEVER worked, and no one has ever hypnotized me successfully. I have no dog in this fight.

However, if someone HAS witnessed such a thing or feels they have witnessed a miracle, I am not inclined to label them 'willfully delusional'.

I'd like to think that I have an open-mind.

One must remember that there is anecdotal evidence of mermaids, gremlins, Elvis surviving death, broken mirrors causing bad luck, toasters being possessed by the Devil and the existence of Leprechauns. "Anecdotal evidence" simply means someone told a story about an incident, and suggested that the story was true.

Anecdotal evidence = A claim, nothing more.

And when objective study is done to attempt to corroborate the anecdotal evidence and consistently shows nothing to corroborate the claims, the results of the objective study represent reason and rationality. When you have millions or billions of people insisting that the claims are true, yet none of them can provide a single shred of objective evidence to support their claim, nor can those of a neutral stance or those of a skeptical stance, the only non-delusional conclusion is that the objective study is representative of truth.

One very significant observation is this; we rarely (if ever), find a pattern of (1)claim, (2)objective evidence and (3)confirmation. When confirmation is reached, the pattern is (1)objective evidence, (2)claim, (3)confirmation. When claims precede objective evidence, the rational conclusion is, and remains (forever); false-hood. It's a very reliable means of assessing whether or not there is credibility to a claim.

Now that doesn't mean that in absolutely every case where objective evidence is missing, the lack of objective evidence indicates absolute reality. Sometimes it takes a while to locate objective evidence. But one should consider the properties of the claim. If a claim is that an entity or "energy" emerges from a body when it dies, and that this entity or energy is the essence of the consciousness which resided in the body, then it should take very little to detect this supposed entity or energy in a purely objective manner.

Such a claim presents the proclaimed concept as being not at all difficult to detect with modern technology. And yet, in tens of thousands of years, no one has confirmed themselves as having psychic ability. No one has conclusively demonstrated the ability of telekinesis. No one has ever verified the existence of a ghost or spirit. No one has ever verified the existence of any god, though the vast majority of gods once proclaimed to be absolutely real are now members of the halls of mythology.

And yet we continue to see people claim that such things are real and that they have detected them, conversed with them, been possessed or influenced by them, or have actually seen them with their eyes -- a claim which contradicts the claim that such entities are non-physical.

And while some of these claimants are attempting to perpetrate fraud, a great many truly believe their own claims. And when this occurs, the most rational, evidenced and reasoned conclusion is that they are victims of the power of suggestion. And very rarely will you find anyone who has shifted from a position of claiming such subjective things to be true, to the opposite position, who does not recognize the self-delusion which lead to their former stance.

I know we have a rose image thanks to ann rice … vampires are dammed beings feeding on life a ultimate personification of what we fear in the dark … till the sun rises and we are saved again.

Im into chaos magic and you have to try all angles … this logically sucks from the start … I do know of a real vampire spell .. it also uses blood and liver and a black mans hair ….. vinegar two… this only attracts the type of vampire it is trying to tempt … like a sent it cant resist … and then it finds you and feeds or transforms … I have to save my money to travel to a remote area where this is folk law and see what happens .. till them … VR it is

I suggest to a few people that I am the Exsaulted Grand Gredal.. but the whole suggestion thing balked .. not because they didn't believe me.. but because someone pointed out that I misspelled My own title.

Qyute... awww poor Dabbler. dont worry, you will always be the Exsaulted Grand Gredal to us.

Well as it would happen I have a seat open for the Lesser Grendal, of course there will be an initiation...

A tempting offer to be sure, but I must decline for I am already Real High Exalted Poobah, King of All Things...you can just call me a real hep kat for short. :P

I watched a special on the battle of Okinawa last night and they talked a bit about the view of the Japanese in fighting for their Emperor and their belief that he was an actual god. The Japanese soldiers often chose to take their own lives rather than surrender due to the intense shame they felt at failing their god/emperor.

Just another example of the power of suggestion in regard to supposed gods. Of course there is a lot to be said for the power of peer pressure and the desire to fit in with the herd as well. And while many today might find the Japanese of WWII to be displaying remarkable gullibility for believing their Emperor to actually be a god, what of a far more ancient people who made the same kind of claim -- a claim still accepted to be true by many today?

How many still click on (or tempted to click on) those Free Pop-ups?

never thought about the pop up adds as mind altering, but yeah power of suggestion, or even sub limel messages in TV adds or computer graphics........ we all are doomed.

Now I want to let you know, that you don't need to be subject to those ads, with my new Pop-up Blocker.. *waits until flood of ads hits your computer.. Are you ready NOW?

And when we finish killing those who show us that suggestion was all we ever had, we can get down to mourning the loss of what we never had.

Beast you are probably right, yet suggestion or power of is in about everything in society today, for it was to end we we end up as mindless people not knowing the direction to proceed from that point on....

That might well be true for many, but certainly not for all. Some have been paying attention to the ear-marks which always tend to follow reality and must be feigned (at best), or denied by those seeking to alter our perspective of reality. Those seeking to sway us for their benefit almost always present us with contradictions, signs of their motives or illogical foundations for their claims.

Only critical thought and intellectual honesty can overcome the effects of propaganda, conditioning, politics and tradition.

I was thinking about this just the other day with the custom of stating "excuse me", for having the audacity to contain within us a mechanism for digesting food which does, as it must, produce by-products. Now I'm as easily embarrassed by certain noises my body might produce as the next guy (or girl). For the most part, I don't subscribe to the idea that if I say "excuse me", then it didn't happen. I tend to slip out of the room if necessary and not call attention to myself. If there is a slight noise which seems to have gone unnoticed, I'm not prone to calling attention to it by shouting "EXCUSE ME!".

I do know people, however, that will suddenly blast out an "EXCUSE ME!!!" from clear across a room where they were pretty much all alone. It leaves me wondering what horrendous thing they did that I completely missed. I tend to think they've absorbed the training, and completely missed the point. Unfortunately, that seems to describe the majority, in one regard or another -- they've absorbed the training and never stopped to think it through. They do X because they were told that's an appropriate response to seeing Y. Most of these customs and traditions make little sense, but for the desire to blend in and demonstrate how well we've absorbed the training, many are anxious for the opportunity to demonstrate what they've learned.

And in so doing, they demonstrate that they have absorbed much, and learned little.

yet some of the traditions we have grown with since the time of birth, in ones mind does not seem like the power of suggestion, just lessons taught on edicate. for power of suggestion would enhance the mind of followers to do acts not common to the nature of the person. much like a hpynitists and their audience. yet tradition like excuse me and the colors of the chart. a thing was going around when i was in school that the reason the grass is green is becuase it is. yet when brought to the attention this is what we are taught and if we had learned it was red than a debate of the color would come to be, i see the perseption of suggestion in some traditonal values yet we are more provike by tv adds and the messages they give in traditional stuff. Yet the masshas been programed in society with the thought of wrong and right, yet if the thinkers or leaders where to vanish, would not the mass be stumped on direction of life and ponder their own vital essence in life.

subliminal ads do not work. Studies have borne this out. The whole idea of advertising is to BE liminal...to impact the viewer and to get them to notice your product. The idea that you you can subconciously effect thier behavior is a both wrong, and, even if it werent would still be a waste of advertising dollars that could be better spent on a more invasive message delivery system.

Why do I have a sudden craving for Vampire Stew...


Slogans, and Propaganda are much more effective then subliminal ads, I think the subliminal placement of slogans and propaganda is an actual matter for concern.

The point being (unless I misunderstood), that any attempt to alter someone's thoughts, is to some level, an attempt at mind control. Billboards and television commercials certainly qualify but in a less subversive fashion than attempts (whether successful or not), at subliminally altering someone's thought.

It's one thing to tell someone openly what you want them to think and quite another to use more covert methods to attempt to affect their thought.

placement of products into movies has proven it's self to companies because they are paying big money to do so.a suggested subliminal ad can produce anxios watchers to tune into a commercial block.

product placements are not, by definition subliminal. An example of a subliminal ad would be a naken lady in the ice cubes of a coke meant to "excite" the viewer even though they dont conciously "see" the naked lady. Its a bunk theory. It doesnt work. Produc placement, on the other hand, places products in the hands or on, or used by characters and individuals which people relate to in a positive fashion. They want to be like this person because they posess X,Y,Z qualities...so they act in the same fashion, wear the same clothes, drink the same drinks, drive the same cars..etc. Its like peer pressure and high school clique mentality applied to your wallet.

I confess I was hoping to slide that post through.


Suggesting something, and placing an urgancy on something even a concept are two different paths to the same goal, does anybody like being told they have to have/get something?

how about if they have your child suggest it to you?

words with a sensational demonstrtion ..so much more

yep.
I used to do marketing for a large nationally recognized corporation. We counted on it.

would you agree that good way to launch an ad campainge is to have a leak that the ad is aggressive? People will watch the block just to see how aggressive it is. Progressively reducing the length after a few block runs cuts down on cost, as well as secure the ad from jading the viewers with lead in and filler. It is not always what is said that is suggestable intent. Listen to the impatiant pauses in the voice of a person presenting you with any concept they want you to "consider".

The power of suggestion can be very strong. In fact, several studies have been conducted to induce various degrees of mass hysteria including, hallucinations, illness and religious/supernatural experiences.

While some may think that only a "simple" person could fall for suggestion that is simply not the case. Cults and other groups use a persons inherent fears, wishes and desires to 'belong' to create a false environment.

Just some food for thought.

funny you should mention those....I was having a discussion with a friend a couple days ago and the mooninite thing came up. Yes it failed, mainly because aqua teen hunger force didn't recognize it didn't have the viewership to promote through randomly placed and tucked away/strangely hanging led displays of a very minor character. It just wasn't that well known...sorry. Mix that with post 9/11 crap in general where anything out of place is circumspect as being a bomb...and here was a little led guy with an angry face flipping people off and suddenly attached to the side of a building where its never been before. Its not small and it has no wiring lighting it up, but it is lit so it obviously has some sort of internal power source. Yah...some people freaked.

I concur that most companies do not want to have their media "leaked". A more controlled release is always better. They do, as dabbler said, typically now have a full length version of an ad and an edited down version that runs in half the time or less. The idea is to have a blitz on the front end of the campaign which makes the most out of the buzz. Then you can reduce the length of the ad soon after and still get the full effect on the viewer while spending less. The viewer "sees" the short version but "remembers" the long version and sees that in their mind too.

oh, I see what you mean now. We do that for some clients. We make even shorter versions and turn them into video pre-rolls & throw them all over the internet.

pleased to meet you, hope you guessed my name...

thing is; I really liike ATHF, and if ia saw an LED Mooninite on an overpass, I would have laughed like crazy. But i might not have made the connection to the DVD release.

The power of suggestion can be a very powerful tool indeed, but used in the wrong way it can be dangerous tool too Specially if it was used to exploit somebody who was vunreble.

though on a positive note, the power of suggestion can help to achieve some wonderful things.

What we project to others should be directed as something we want then to simply consider, different situations call for suggestion (perhaps reinforced with urgency) but we must respect a persons right to disregard our suggestion, and to do so without pressing them to address why they do not chose to accept that suggestion/advice.

Because people seem to think they are have a right to know why someone is not open to their suggestion, and they think that if a persons reason for not accepting their suggestion can be dismissed then the "natural process" is for the person to change their mind about the suggestion/advice

In terms of suggestive powers, the mind is a very powerful tool and in some cases a very potent drug. to understand this more in depth you should have a basic understanding of psycology, the mind works in a way that if it is told somthing enough, what is being told is understood by the mind as true, or fact. In the same case hypocondriacts, think they are sick, they tell themselfs that they are sick and the mind starts to think that there might actually be somthing wrong with the body. When in reality there really isn't. so in these cases they give a breif explanation of the power and the drug of the mind.

"Treating or curing" hypos is easy, using placebos so then if the "healer" interpreted things the right way will the person be able to be "treated/cured" by another "healers" method? Keep in mind most alterative practices put out horror stories about the established clinics.

I concur with dabbler on treating them, yet when do we decide the mind goes corrupt, is it alternative thought process of individuals going against society. power of suggestion is a powerful tool of leadership and mind control. many factions of society have used these forms of persasuion, yet we must be apt to know such a thing is going on......horror stories is right...

I have not yet read all the messages here but I will and would just like to add....

Since the beginning of time Humankind has been captivated, fascinated, and enthralled by the abilities of the mind and the world in which we live, and as your evidence shows, is still today lol

Through history a great deal of that knowledge has been either destroyed or forgotten through ignorance or superstition (Will I mention Religion...No...smiles) Only now as people look for more answers, and are again becoming more and more aware,and inquistive about the abilities of the mind, has interest grown in hypnosis and hypnotherapy...Neuro-Linguistic Programming...Spells...Power of suggestion. You lable it as you wish.

It's been around along time, before the time of the ancient Egyptions,* however the magical qualities it once held as you are all aware have some what changed and now science is the successor. Strange that even today a small minority still beleive it to be the work of the devil or some form of magic! *snigger*

The magical qualities which it once held has now changed within society, and now science is the successor. Yes, even today in modern society a minority of people still believe that it is the work of the devil or some form of magic.

You need look at the works of Milton Ericson, Bandler and Grindler, Joseph o'connor, Dave Elman.....the list of names can bounce throughout time if you choose them to.

*Touching on the Egyptions again many people are aware that the ancient Egyptians used temples known as sleep temples. These temples are associated with the earliest recorded physician Imhotep(l-em-hotep) (He comes in peace). They were used for theraputic reasons by people who would of been sick. Possibily by using incantations where the people would of been primed, or by a form of ritual.

So who was Imhotep? He was the Physician Vizer, Architect and Priest to Pharaoh Zoser. He is also known to have built the first pyramid. Imhoteps name has been used by Hollywood for the film The Mummy.

Yet again Hollywood has used a good guy and turned him into a monster...umm

So suggestion is very real and used in every second of every day in one form or another.

i love to do mass hysteria experiments, for example: in a mosh pit i will glance up, double take at a fixed point in the sky or ceiling. then i will look over at someone only to look at the spot fixedly, practicly pointing. ill stop after about 40 seconds and behold theres dozens of people looking up too. good times.

Did you know people seldomly need to see any "strange movement" to react to it. They will respond first to others claiming to have seen something.. spooked by others outbreaks, and some will intensely swear they witnessed the sight as well.

I believe the power of suggestion can be true, and words that you speak over someone are very strong. There are things in my life that have occurred that sound like something you would read in a book. I have had family members who have spoken illness over me, and it has happened. The funny thing is they have had it come back in return.

However that spell does not seem so valid in cases of paganism. However, or whatever it takes to become a vampire it is a question of sorts that has never really been truthfully answered correctly!

Well Dabbler my friend I loved your first post LOL I bet some are still watching to see if it does work (advatar) LOL

Power of suggestion can and does work sad to say yet many people can be controled just by the whole thing of power of suggestion. The Government uses Films with hidden messages in them which are sending out the power of suggestion to whom is watching.. Our mind is still a very UNDISCOVER Organof ours. Yet like a sponge it soaks things up even without realizing it LOL

I like the whole idea where a great lawyer will make a statement during questioning and yet the judge is like DISREGARD THAT LAST STATEMENT! LOL WTH?? really the mind has it already stuck away somewhere to recall at another time.

Power of Suggestion is very real and is used by many to make people either believe, or do or whatever yet once the suggestion of question or doubt of anything is spoke out or programmed what ever it is there and Well the Power of suggestion is proven to once again work LOL

i know you can make people belive what they are told but just because they belive it doesnt actully make it true.

If enough people appear indifferent about something. Then others are bond to observe say a seminar.

One trick evangilist use is at revivals comes to mind, if you have a small group and wish to attract the near by straglers, it is a good thing to mention some secular referance, example a sports reference, " How about that team?!" to which people Cheer, this is relayed to those looking on as a curiousity to check it out further.

even carneys use this ploy. A game that cannot be won, will be won, when a drifting crowd is observing from a proximity location.

Cryingmoon,

The power of suggestion is very real. And really does work depended upon the user. As in any majik for any spells to work it is going to depen on if the user believes in it or believes that it is going to work. If they truly believe then it will work.

As for the spell you got offline is ify. It would take someone who knows how to work spells and truly believe in its validity then yeah I could see it working, but for the mass majority the only thing that would happen is a mess to clean up after dumping blood and what not onto hot wax.

LadyMajik

As said before, yes, the power of suggestion is very real. If you need proof, look at every major religion and ask yourself whether or not the power of suggestion works. However, it's not does it work, but why.