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I have a question to put forward due to the fact that there seems to be more and more books, TV and movies coming out about Vampires today, do you think that we as a culture have come to accept vampirism in todays society or is it just a phase we are going through because of the books and TV etc.

Over the years there has always been movies and such come out about vampires yet it was still a taboo topic.

I would like to know your views and opinions about this.

I think that as we near the new age, hopefully a renewed Golden Age... Past 2012, we will have a greater awareness and more respect for the world around us and be more accepting of all things in the long run.

that is a good response. I tend to agree. We still have a ways to go before we accept everything. We still have a lot to learn.

Never said things were going to be easy...

very true, I think with time we are starting to become more open to things around us. With time I feel that we will overcome our fear of the unknown and become more acceptable

There will be a tendancy for people to continue to take liberty with many concepts involving occult, and fringe ideals, yet the whole genre is stretching thin.

People may just become complacant to those who reach farther with idealism, and alternative beliefs in general. Perhaps though those with suspect intentions will begin to stand out, as fringe concepts, and ideals are defined, and summarized. While those who adapt their interpretation to serve their suspect intentions will lose their footing in sub-, and alternative beliefs.

I think it's not acceptance of vampirism, but acceptance of creativity and imagination, that gets popular so it gains more money and interest.

I think they would be more acceptable if the deffinition were more realistic.

I think society is almost ready but still too many people target anyone different. But progress is taking place :)

Considering the role that Ego plays in modern society i think vampirism fits in well. "vampires" (the hollywood version) are everything a human seeks to be - Strong, intelligent, incredibly attractive and lets not forget immortal.

That is the main, if not the only reason why "vampirism" has become mainstream and accepted. In western culture anyway.

Fictionalized vampires are popular now for a variety of reasons which we can discuss. Not sure this is your question, but it's the most interesting one to me because of what it reveals about our culture in the here and now.

This does not mean that humans tasting blood in ritualized sex play are popular, or even accepted. Nor does it mean that people who identify with vampires to the point of calling themselves vampires are going to have widespread popularity any time soon.

I hope so since it isn,t a lifestyle choice.Soulshroud, it is more likely to be gene switches as discussed in previous documentation.Science may help;

The tests for which are expensive and complex, the human genome project together with cancer research is
currently invetigating.

I think the leading research lab is in Michigan? but stand to be corrected.

Example; certain cancer drugs were only found to work on certain patients and they wondered why.They tested the DNA and found certain genes were on/ some were neutral/some were off.They used red/green markers for that particular drug on a matrix to indicate same.
For one drug up to 800 gene switches had to be examined to see if the subject would be suitable for that particular drug.
Can food alter your genes? YES already PROVEN.

A study in a Northern European town found that an isloated community had their DNA altered by lack of food.

The MOTHERS gave birth to strange children where certain genes had been switched on and or off.
The children were almost cave dwellers and IMPORTANTLY used fewer calories thus insuring survival during famine.
So the high protein lust is maybe a gene switch?Although this fails to explain the supernatural side it may help others accept there is evidence of our kin.
Oceanne shall I send a sample to work?

They might freak out?...Taps back.

TFS

Sympathy for the devil so-to-speak?

Vampires have always been an interest since they have first been introduced into society i believe. Sure they had a rocky start but their meaning has become so twisted by tv and books that they aren't the same by a long shot. They were monster turned fantasy character which isn't a surprise since society takes everything else out of context and twists it up to make it anything BUT what it originally stood for.

People like a good thriller, a sexy dark romance/fantasy, people are drawn to what makes them feel, something that taps into the emotions so that pretty much explains why the vampire has become "the trend". I don't think it will ever stop being a trend. It is a character that is human/supernatural and more people are drawn to characters like that , kinda like how our superheroes once was to us long ago or perhaps still is.

Personally i don't accept people that say they are a vampire. I accept people that explain their lifestyle in a more believeable way.

Vampirism in the entertainment industry is ACEPTABLE.

Those who identify as vampires i speculate fear indifference. People will eventually strug them off.

With so many vague variations, and interpretations, it will become an exclusive ideal, splintered by those who follow, and devote to the concept.

Eventually the trend surge will dwindle, and those that where superficially curious enough to advance beyond the "traditional"literary vampire , and "kick the tires" of the "vampire by profession idea". will find a new rage trend.

The very desire of those who profess to be vampires will be their undoing.

I don't feel vampirism will ever be commonly accepted in modern society. Regardless how popular vampire books, movies, or television shows become as long as those who profess to practice vampirism claim to have special abilities/traits or that they do so due to a need instead of by choice.

It becomes evident that certain inviduals are seeking something other then acceptance, they want "mundanes" to accpect there place as Prey.. even the pretensive "We only engage our practice with donors." implies that once you believe them, that your opt is obvious. all the while they hold the criteria of what qualifies them as vampire above others. Imtimidating those who have a novel intrest as interlopers, and so forth.. this behavior will isolate them eventually. Such behavior ("vampire" or no) is pathetic, regardless of ones label.

Oceanne, what do you mean by definition more realistic?

I find all your post very interesting. I follow along the lines of most with the fact that currently it is acceptable to a degree which I believe all the current movies/TV series are helping.

I do feel that this could break very easy by someone over stepping the boundary. I feel the older generations still have that stigma towards Vampires and that over time things will change as each generation passes on.

I think socity still has that boogy man or it's dress up attitude. People seem to be close minded thst there is a world that does not walk in the light of day, we are like the blood under the skin you know its there but you don't want to see it. Unless your a sanguine lol.

Vampires will always be considered fictional. Those profess to be vampires will simply not be taken as seriously as they want to be as long as they are so conflicted.

Implying that people are "afraid" to accept/subscribe to the notion that vampires are anything but fictional is just not realistic, to have "acceptance" is not even a factor until there is a "consensous" that those who profess to be vampires present.

What comes right out is Upirs research. However, most people would find that to be feisible, the continued
purpetuation of the rewrite of vampires by the masses, and the superstitious based lore.. and those who
scrap together psuedo-academic support for their claims are forever seeking to be "mysterious", and "veiled" from humanity, in some degree.. Implying that humanity is cattle, and should accept that their are predators amoung us. it just becomes so conveluted..

Perhaps a better question would be, "Will professed Vampires ever accept that they adopted a fictional creatures persona, and that there is a literary tradition that predates their ideals?"

In summary, my last post was made while I was distracted.

Society may accept, or become indifferent to those who practice vampirism. as it is now, even those who profess to be vampires do not accept each other.

Once society accepts, or becomes indifferent to those who practice vampirism, those who profess to be vampires will be left to define, and support their convictions with referance sources.

One only need look at the vampire community to see that their is anominity in their ranks.

Vampirist will eventually become just another alternative belief, ideaology, practice, or what have you.

those who profess to be vampires, often appear to want contraversy regarding their convictions.

The thread even states.. will Vampirism become acceptable.. not will "Vampires" be accepted.

Vampires, are fictional creaters.

Vampirism is a practice, that some on the rave can cite
historic practices of.

An Upir, is a distinct person with a particular physiologic characteristic.. how society would receive that in current times.. I would reason it would be excepted much better then in the distant past.

Lifestylers, and Vampirist, are far more presentable then those who outright profess to be vampires. Here on the internet were it is anonimous, it is easy to profess anything.. but in Person/public.. attempt to call out, and to rally others around you while you profess you are a Vampire.

It is hard to profess it in person. But only because people outright bash whatever they don't understand and many don't want to deal with that. That's why it's easier to come out as yourself (whether vampire or anything else you hide from the public) when your with others like you or online. And I do believe that the proper or most proper terms are, Vampirist- Those who live a vampiristic lifestyle/ Vampire- Those who are living with vampirism. Well that's how I see it and think that if a seperation of lifestylers and those who know they are vampires is needed, that'd be the best way. Anyone else have an opinion on this? I think it'd make vampirism more accepted.

How can you say people don'y understand, yet not have anything but vague attempts at definitions, or support for your personal conviction? If one wants one to understand something, then "coming out" cold is not ideal, coming out warm is when a person introduces a topic that is relivant to them, and assesses the reaction to immidiate company, prior to throwing all ones ideals out in the open. I find the term.. "what people can't deal with." to be commonly used by people seeking shock value, or controverial confromtation. In those cases a person may not be hitting it of well (often because of dull social skills) so they throw something bizzar out in the open, so they can eventually blame everyone else for " being prejudice". This is not unique to people "coming out as vampires" either.

There is no such thing as vampires, the only person you convince is yourself. The more you profess to be a vampire.. the more people will inquire as to what it is that compelled you to profess to be a vampire, and all you will ever have to reply with, is personal anecdote, and testimony. You could submit for test.. to seel support for your conviction.. until you present something with substance you are practicing vampirism, you are a Vampirist. I often get the impression that most who profess to be vampires are out to see how many people they can get to believe them.. or at least humor them.. or "stump" them in a debate. Then after a person believes.. it is off to someother tangent about themselves..

person 1 "I am a Vampire!"

person 2 "Whatever." or "Hows That?"

"Not like in the movies though."

" "Well then How?" or " Ok so what else you want to do."

Putting things in perspective is important if you expect anyone, or society to accept it. You can't scatter a bunch of Heresy, and conjecture around, and not expect people to understand.. but to insist they accept you for your unfounded claims.

or Okey

Dab, you always reply in the same way. If you want to know what makes me a vampire and not a lifestylist, then message me. Same is true for anyone who is curious as to why I say I'm a vampire:) I try to stick to the threads topic. And this topic is if it's acceptable today. Not a place to debate If I'm real or not. And all I'm saying is that if both vampire and vampirist were use to seperate those that claim to be vampires and those that live the lifestyle, the general public may be more accepting. And if you always say vampires don't exist you'll never see any evidence of them as good enough to change your beliefs. Have to believe in possibilities to see the evidence as not all evidence is easy to see with blind eyes. And this goes for anything, not just vampires.

I tend to agree with the concept that Our Cultures are becoming more mainstream. However, they are still a long way from painting a clearer picture of Who and what Vampire / Vampyre are.

While there are some who will forever believe the stereo-typing and myth surrounding Us, there are those who have taken a step back to look forward.

I for one hope those who made that choice of their own free will; to step back to look forward; do so with an open mind. I'd hate to see ones efforts tarnished yet further by idle ignorances rather than by a simple eductaion or feeling within themselves.


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I feel that humans and vampyres need can coexist. but we have to have humans that ae willing to accept us. Im tired of hiding who and what I am from humans......every living thing has a right to walk freely.. ...So, when is our turn???...When the humans are all gone....

lol You can't expect humanity to accept things without a valid reason to do so. You sure will get ridiculed for coming out and saying "Hi I'm a vampire." That alone sounds ridiculous UNLESS you have some sort of validation for what you're coming out AS. As far as i'm concerned, most people i've heard from are getting tired of seeing others calling themselves a vampire when in fact, it's just a self practicing term. So i suggest that if you want people to recognize you for being anything other than human, needs to have something to offer up on your plate , otherwise we'll just call it crap.

personally, I think that society lives in such a place between what they see, and what they can prove that a lot of us don't know what to believe in. we rely so much on technology and science to prove or disprove that things exist (or may not exist) that we're only left unsure of the truth. We are on the tip of the knife and one day humanity will teeter one way or the other and they will either believe or completely disbelieve.

Thank you PSi Dreamer. Sara, i have been on Topic.

Someone mentioned people being ignorant.. how prey tell can people be ignorant (lacking education) when their is noone that claims to be a vampire that has offered a curriculm?

As is, what is more likely to be excepted is the practice of vampirism, that is evidently not enough for some.. perhaps it is the intent of the faction to promote shock, and contraversy.

To suggest that popular Lore, and fiction have slandered "vampires" is very ridiculous.

What you claim to be a belief, demonstrates that you are practicing, what you have is a conviction of your ideals. You cite experiences that anyone who practices experiences. Implying that such people are a catigory below you, simply not the case. somehow the concept of being generally accepted as a practice offends those who would have people embrace their ammendment to a traditional literary creature.. eventually once the practice of vampirism is "mainstream", there will be an evident distancing from those who claim to be vampires, and those who practice vampirism.

Curriculum? Since when has being taught something have to be from education and bookwork? I think you twist words a bit much Dab. And you always say that you think that those who claim to be vampires just want to shock people and promote controversy.... But I really have only seen a few pretenders that try that. From what I've seen many, like myself, just seek to be ourselves whether others believe of or not. And you may argue that I'm always trying to make you belive me, but the reality is i don't care what you believe. I just love debates and seek to understand your views, which is very difficult. And vampires of lore slandering what we are? I love how vampire of lore are, most of the time. In fact I wish that's how we were, but it unfortunately isn't. And I would accept it as a practice, except that would imply that it's a choice. But I haven't been given a choice other then live this way and be healthy or go against it and barely live at all, let alone being healthy. And I hope there is never a distancing between those that are, and those the practice. After all, we are very similar and should be able to get along quite well :) Well I guess since there is no "curriculum" on what a vampire truly is since most of it can't be proven by science (not that it can prove everything anyways) the world probably isn't ready to accept vampirism. But hey, who saids the world needs to accept us? That's aiming higher then anyone ever has and isn't likely to succeed as nothing is ever truly accepted by the entire world.

you mean.. accept people who claim to be vampires..

not accpect vampirism.

Surly you base your convictions (not beliefs) on something other then personal experience?

As is I have stated myself clearly.

vampirism as a practice, will settle in with the society beliefs, and alternative practices, I say more power to them, and applaud those who make the distinction clear. I also find that lifestylers have always been accepted, they provide a practical ideal for people who seek something slightly removed from just Lore, some Lifestylers have elaborate persona, and adapted theatrical skills.

No I said it right, vampirism. Vampires are just those with it. People who are practicing it are living vampiristic life. There is a difference. And no, I don't base it all on personal experience. Just most of it. I'm currently sorting through all the info I can find to try and find all the truths that are there. And no lifestyle has EVER been fully accepted. If that were true the world would be more peaceful. There are always those who do not accept different lifestyles and seek to hurt those who live that life.

Yet you keep saying others are pretenders. which is clearly not accepting them for their beliefs, or convictions. Which implies that you are able to make a critical analisis of others. So perhaps the lack of acceptance is more those who profess to be vampires, not accepting those who are intrested in vampirism.

Different lifestyles are more accepted today then ever.I think that when peeps go on to say that they have somekind of supernatural powers..then peeps have a tendancy to scoff.Especially when the very attributes stated that make them as such are but normal to some and do not put them into any supernatural catagory.

Society will not readly scrap the compiled data on what a vampire is, especial when those who are set to dispute what a vampire is have nothing of substance to challenge the existing Definition of Vampire.

Those who profess to be vampires will eventually accept that they are a fraction of a minority.

It took me sometime, as a member of this site, to see how those who profess to be vampires mix in with those who simply practice vampirism in various degrees.

It actually degresses the standing of vampirist, as everyone concludes that all who practice vampirism, are prone to consider themselves to be Vampires. I am not convinced that this is the case personal. There is a fundamental element to every practice, that element has been found in this matter.

Dab, that was a rude and accusitory thing to say as I have judged nobody to be a pretender. But it cannot be denied that there are those who actively choose to pretend to be vampires. I know a few myself.

They are people that profess to be vampires.

Is it your opinion that you are any different?

They may use the same criteria as you, personal experiences.

who is to say whether their conviction is any more credible then yours. Do you deny them.. the same acceptance you seek?

There you go with assumptions again. Ever cross your mind that they have said themselves that they pretend to be vampires? Please send any other comments to my message box. I will not get this thread RIPed over you. Sorry all for getting a bit off topic.

Those who readly admit they are pretending to be vampires, or roleplaying a vampire are accepted by society, even encouraged by society to be creative.

It is often those who profess to be Vampires (other then pretending) that often do not accept, even dispise, those who simply roleplay as vampires.

I often hear from those who profess to be vampires,
the term wanna-bes.. how is that not clear as to what is implied?

Part of being accepted is agreeing to some degree on the topic, what is accepted, verses what is not rationally acceptable, or lacks any supporting reason to compell one to subscribe to the personal convictions of others.

I see no malice in the term wannabe. It defines anyone who wants to be something they aren't. I'm a wannabe on other subjects and will gladly say so. Its true that some feel as you say, but don't lump us all together as I've seen many more that like wannabe's than those that don't.

Now you are closer to grasping my summary of what is acceptable, and what is unreasonable to expect of society. You cannot just expect society to gloss over an established literary tradition, simply because a contempary ideal has individuals that are compelled to consider themselves vampires, rather then just people who practice vampirism.

Correction, that's what you find acceptable. You cannot speak for society as a whole. Or are you arrogent enough to think you can? Because I've seen society accept those that fit your bill of not being accepted.

There is nothing compelling society to believe that vampires are anything but Fictional creatures (with the exception of Upir), society will eventually see the difference between practicing vampirism, and professing to be a vampire.

I do agree with you there Dab.If anything,he has shed a new light on Vampires that could in fact aid in their acceptance.

I echo Bloodmother in this. There's been a market for gothic horror for over a hundred years. People saying they are vampires for REAL is just not the same. A parent could have no problem with their kids reading Harry Potter- yet feel quite differently to the idea that they become wizards in reality. I don't have a problem with it, but there's an obvious different between fact and fiction. Stories are just clearly not the same.

It's not shocking at all.

Besides, people are saying, everything the world has been told for centuries is wrong, we're the 'real' vampires... even though the word was coined for the myth. The only thing I can ever buy into are the people who say, "We're human vampires, we just call ourselves this because it best represents who we are as people metaphorically... even though we are not literally immortal, nor can we turn into bats. We have a life that is different yet parallels the myth you know, and we appreciate this genre of literature because it helped us identify ourselves as humans."

This thread has been a step forward.

I can see a few thread ideas evolving from this particular thread.

We have gotten past the general misconceptions that often bias other threads.

Well summarized ImagesW, I am still a bit critical regarding the 'human vampires' but i have not read much on their perspective.

$.02

Most people are aware that there are those who believe they are cool while wearing jeans that hang lower than thier testicals, it does not make the practice acceptable to them.

Well, dabbler... I actually don't understand it or see how human vampires are different from anyone else, actually. We all need, we all take. I've yet to hear anything that convinces me how they are anything different than me. At the same time, I accept them- as long as they don't pull that card about being the real vampires that always were. They might have always been- but they took their name from something else. And that 'something else' is the real 'fake' thing. In short, fake vampires are the real vampires in my opinion. I can deal with "We're real vampires" in the sense that they are real people merely calling themselves that due to the common ground.

I'm just too loyal to writers to deal with the fiction bashing and the whole "Hollywood is keeping us down" stuff. Their work is meant to be fiction. It's accepted because its a story and stories have always 'been'.

Have to agree with you on many points Images, I may be a vampire but I'm still human. I don't know if the term vampire for me and others like me comes from the stories or if the stories came from twisting what we are, though I find it more likely that we're called vampires do to our similarity to the myths on vampires. So I don't see the point either in saying that the stories have twisted what people see vampires as when we aren't that. I may not like how vampires are portrayed in some stories, but they are after all just stories for those who like them to enjoy.

And Dab, I know what your saying, but the way you say it sounds as if you speak for society itself, when in reality that's just how you hope or think society will react. Just like I can say what I believe is the best choices for the VC to do but I can't say that they will make those choices. You believe society needs the same evidence to believe that you do. And while many do, society as a whole may or may not. Only time will tell. I know a few things society has accepted based on nothing but belief without proof. And I think vampires have more proof than some of those.

Thank you Images. You have zoned in on the matter well.

I think the fact that ppl are coming out with I am a vampire yet still human is a step in the right direction. We as a society tend to look down on things that are not human. When someone comes out and says I am a vampire and not a human that is when ppl will get up on their high horse and fight the idea as being impossible. I dont think ppl will argue the point if someone comes out and say I am a human yet I am a vampire or practice vampirism. Society has come a long way, we are slowly learning to accept different things and live with it.

I have noted with keenness that two members have taken this topic to heart with two very different views and are sticking to their guns.
This opens up another view to this thread, is this why we as a society cannot come to terms or agreement that something exist. Wether it be vampires/vampirism or alien life forms or anything that is different is because we cannot agree or come to terms with someone else.
We as a race have our own views and that is it, we cannot or will not open up our minds to accept anything other then what we believe. Can we ever come to terms to accept that things are out there that we cannot accept or are different.

As part of society, i'm pretty open to certain things. If there are really vampires, angelics, alien type races walking in our world, that's fine. I don't see the big issue with it considering every other creature we walk the earth with that isn't like us. lol Every living creature is unique in it's own way and captivates us by just how different they can be. That's what makes them special and interesting.

I don't have a problem with the possibility that humans or at least perhaps a genetically altered one, or evolved one, or one that has been through some type of transformation of some kind....sounds pretty sci-fi lol but lets say IF such a kind did exist.....and you want other people to acknowledge you for what you are....there has to be a valid reason to do so. It's not that society CAN'T accept it. There are those of us that are open to it. But at the same time, you can't expect all of humanity to think and feel alike as a whole, because we never have been able to be like-minded.

personally, not to side track this thread, but i think the percieved notion of the need for blood is inherited from what we evolved from, once we were very much preditors trying to get to the top of the food chain, then we forgot about how we got there was via blood.

i have to agree with the doctor that there is even a real discussion of people saying they are vampiric and human and not several thousand years old and "Real" is very much in the way of progress.

I also would like to thank all that arent fighting or dramatizing this, i like how calm this discussion is and the people participating in this lately.

Society will be curious, not all are cynical to what others profess to be, however even those "open to" such concepts will request reasonable summaries of what it is others whould have them accept.

When a person is convinced they are a Vampire, or alien being for that matter, is it rational to expect society to accept their personal conviction (note I say conviction, not belief) without basic inquiry. Not all who ask for specifices are out to begrudge a persons claim.

When do those who profess to be vampires cross the line of acceptable? I see a few post that begin to address that issue. I look forward to the threads that develop off of this one, Thanks Doc.

True it would be rational to expect that, but society is rarely rational. It's more rational today than 50 years ago, but still has a way to go. And you know, Nobody has ever messaged me asking me why I say I am what I am. Not even you Dab, though I invited you to many times. So apparently many don't need much more than the minimum I say in the forum.

lols well miss conner i dont want to get in a fight about it over messages, drama due to rifts between the real vampyres and others that dont consider themselves to have a vampiric medical condition are a problem online.

Ah I wouldn't do that. If anyone messages me I just have friendly convos with them. I only debate on the forums :)

Yes I must say, that when I started this topic I thought it would get into a heated discussion like most forms along this nature. Mainly due to our own beliefs. I thank you all for keeping this topic under control. I have enjoyed everyones input. It is great to have discussions to open up all sides and no heated debates.

I also look forward to the offsprings to this post and hopefully they to can be relaxed.

Truthfully I thought it would too as I do tend to get a bit carried away in debates as they're so much fun :) Trying to not do that as much though.

yes they are fun, except when someone turns a debate into an argument. that takes the fun out of posting in the forums

Vampirism will be embraced until a family is murdered by the likes of Daniel & Manuela Rudo, Richard Chase, Rod Ferrell, ect... and remind everyone that evil exists in the real world by vampiric individuals.

Not by vampiric individuals... Those who claim the title of the vampire and society takes it that they are the be all end all of any community relations and therefore blames the community when these individuals act out of their own merits.

This is whats wrong with the community and society. When one thing goes wrong, fingers are pointed and the wrong individuals are set symbol for the actions of others, or society tends to dismantle an entire community for the actions of one individual even though they never stated that they were part of a community, but acted of their own free will.

Even though they claim the title of vampire for self importance, does not mean that they claim to be a part of the community.

I think it is just something to blame. PPL who do evil in the name of something to my mind is just a ploy to make ppl feel more secure. It is easy to blame a culture then blame an individual.

Which is my point ~TheDoctor~. After all, the people want all the security they desire. With this, they have that little feeling of comfort, no worries. Their monotany is not compromised.

Perhaps you should go read my journal in the month of Dec. I state something very well said.

i honestly think there will always be:

1) new things that people won't accept
2) things like vampirism done by humans

that will never be accepted. even with a real medical reason.

When I hear the way people who profess to be Vampires, it always seems that they are accusing people of being ignorant to their ideals, as if what makes them vampires is obvious.

It often appears that they are more intrested in people not believing Vampires exist, but that people Believe them personally.

What will be received better by society are those who articulate their ideals.

The more those who kick, and scream to be embraced for their convictions.. the more people will become curious. A genuine intrest in what their idea of what a vampire is, will be met by vague anacdotes.

Thus they isolate themselves from society. Not the other way around.

Until those who profess to be vampires, accept that they have nothing to compell society to consider their ideals, and convictions.

There is just to much Grand Standing in collectives that profess to be vampires, a new moniker would make
a big difference.

Bravo! Bravo! I clap for thee.

yeah true.
its a convoluted problem at the moment.
too many factions, how is society supposed to know the differences.

I see the same problem with "orgainized" religion :/ I don't think society can ever have anything fully acceptable whether it's religion or vampires or anything else with only circumstantial evidence.

Thats a key point you make Sara, it is just another belief. But that is not suitable for some, they want it to be something physical.. tangible.. and they want others to be as convinced.. only without any substancial study.

Not quite the point I was making Dab. My point was that society tends to not fully accept anything that only has circumstantial evidence without much scientific proof. And while there are similarities between the VC and religions, actually being a vampire is somthing physical, though sometimes it can be mental.

Mayhaps the brainwashed portion of society would rather believe the History Channel if they called the mainstream strigoii related vamp"y"res real without credible evidence or proof to back their conclusion up?

Would that make you happy??

Imagine if Law works under such a notion.

"We have an idea that the suspect is guilty, so he must be guilty."

"We don't need any substancail evidence, we have a few people that have experienced robberies personally that state he reminds them of a person who would rob people."

I'm pretty sure quite a few trials have gone that way. A prosecuting lawyer who lies well and a few jurors with bad experiences that they get reminded of just from how the accussed looks, and you have an innocent in jail.

humans and decisions are not perfect we are not computers, some things do slip under the cracks and decisions or bad judgments do come in

It society is accepted more today than 40 years ago, many things have now been deemed trendy or sub cultures. So yes vampirisim is accepted

well its not so much that its accepted but that more and more are coming to the fact that vampirism is a real thing and not just something out of a book tv or movie .

Still we have to come to face with all kinds of vampirism and the cult .

But i still say the true vamp is one who takes and never gives anything inreturn.

The romanticized version of vamps is acceptable. That opens the door a bit to alternative lifestyles, but drinking another person's blood is still stupid and dangerous with all the diseases out there. And gross.

I agree more and more ppl are coming out or stating they are a vampire or that they want to become a vampire. But is this because of the stuff coming out.

Before I joined VR I never even new that there was stores where you can buy clothing etc. All the areas I have found out that exist because I joined VR is overwhelming. I have to admit the culture is a lot bigger then I thought possible. I feel it is things like this that is helping out in the greater society.

The comment by Jamie..."stupid , dangerous and gross"

I have a problem with this view point. It is destorted and untrue, try to be more objective.

1.Stupid.
No I am not stupid nor are my colleagues, we have a need that you cannot comprehend since it lies in another realm. The fact you believe intelligent folk embark lightly upon such a course? mmm...I will let the reader decide who is stupid.
2.Dangerous.
No, only if you are careless and do not have knowledge of Biology and good relationships. It is no more dangerous than trusting the Kebab man not to cut too deeply into the undercooked spinning stick.

3.Gross,No.
clean, fresh unprocessed or contaminated.Unlike the spinning stick of fat, preservatives and grease humans throw down their necks every weekend. LOL.

Fallen star, the number one reason why people who profess to be Vampires will never be accepted, is that people like you profess to represent people who profess to be vampires.

No I don,t.
Hence my recent questions and Polls on what line we should take or whether we should keep quiet.

If what you say were true I would just walk into a TV network and make my Eyes go Black wouldn't eye.

No pun intended.TFS.

Dab, I see nowhere that FS mentions representing all professed vampires. Just see a personal opinion that is also the the same thoughts by FS's colleagues.

Behavior like yours is counter productive to your "collegues".

If it is your intent to dismiss my opinion, you fail miserably.

You also advance into fantastical implications..

Your eyes turning black.. please.. spare us the fantasy.

Whats so fantastic Dab? Eyes turn black when the pupils dialate.

No, I think fallen is implying something a little more mystical, which adds to my suspicious that some Vampliers are simply out to be too ridiculous in their assertions, they want to push the envelope. They want to be beyong the fringe.

If you "accept", or appear to subscribe in some manner to their pitch, they up the ante.

it keeps people unsettled around them, so they can be the person that is "so misunderstood", and "distanced from everyone else".

I think FS was making a joke dab. I think you take things way too seriously.

I called fallen star on a tirad aimed at another post. So now there is a "perhaps fallen star was making a joke."
see how that just doesn't jive. while I notice more and more that it is never the topic that Fallen star contributes to, but always a retort to the post of others.

I find this to be consistant with many who profess to be vampires. There is no initiative involved. There is more insinuation of "bashing" then there is presentation of their convictions.

Too often post with direct inquiries to individuals who profess to be vampires are ignored, yet any one who presents a reason why they do not subscribe to the idea that vampires are anything but fictional, get insulting replies. Is the forum really a place to Joke about calling people stupid?

I think that what is will remain. I feel that this is a cultural fad that will pass, but as previously stated; what is will remain. I'm just excited to see what other cultural fads will rise and fall over time, heheheh.

In some ways and in most places, it's still considered taboo.
I think that for the younger generation, it is just a phase.
They want so badly to grow up quick and fit in with the older generation that they'll pretend whatever they can just to get what they want.
Then again, I could be wrong.
That's just my opinion.
Opinions always leave room for improvement and my ideals aren't set in stone.

Fallingstar stepped in Hamster poo.
*laughs*

I think Jamie's opinion reflects this society quite well; you'd be wise to take note of it.

i agree with everyone i think we are coming close to belive in the unseen and what we thought we all saw when we were kids more people today belive in vampires and allens and yes ghosts but we do have a way to go still

Where to begin,
I am not hre to profess anytrhing, I am what I am.

Black pupils are boring, for society girls using deadly nightshade to dilate in order to snare a victorian mate.

Dab likes to use his interlect to show his superiority and thats fine by me.Your knowledge and method are not in question merely your wisdom.
Judge that which you have never experienced with caution my friend, tread lightly for you tread upon your nightmares.

Fallingstars eyes do go black... I've seen them. Until you have first hand knowledge it's wiser not to scoff. :)

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