I posted this to my mentorship and didn't get much of a response so I will try it with the populace:
Okay I have been thinking about this. Is is possible to psi or pranic feed with out knowing it? If so could the other person develop intense romantic feelings for you? I ask cuz all of my ex's present themselves like they are lost with out me.
Whenever a relationships ends, especially when it is sudden or one-sided, the other person is going to feel just as you describe. This is natural and common in Human emotional relationships... and has nothing to do with the supernatural and claims to any such.
It's all about "Occam's Razor": All things being equal, the simplest and least complicated explanation that matches the circumstances is usually the most accurate.
- Upir'
I must agree with Upir on this. This is very common and any claims to the "supernatural" (I would assume) would be narcissistic.
I think a person that isn't aware of their capabilities can feed psi or pranically without knowing it. There are many things people do that they aren't aware of, but the knowledge will come in time.
I can't say however that this is why your past relationships are happening as they are. I believe it may be a simple case, as stated above.
Thank you everyone. That was very helpful. I was thinking the same thing but I just had to make sure. I don't want to hurt anyone intentionally or otherwise
All people exchange energy on a regular basis... and I dunno if you would call it feeding, but when people have strong emotions for something it is common that they tend to be energized or brought down by the thing or person they are very attached to.
Like if someone you love is having a bad day how you can feel as if your energy is drained because they are in this state... or when they are happy, you become excited with them.
I would venture that what those here call "energy exchange" is not the actual exchange of energy... much less the feeding upon any such... but, instead, emotional exchange.
When someone exhibits positive emotions and attitudes, we tend to be positively affected emotionally, as well. This causes us to feel happier and to use our energy more positively, in turn. The reverse is, of course, also true. When other are negative or mean or unhappy, we tend to react to this emotionally and, thus, we feel (emotions, again) likewise unhappy, sad, angry, stressed, emotionally drained, etc.
This has nothing to do with our actual energy levels and everything to do with our emotional reactions to those around us.
- Upir'
i think its a very obvious energy exchange. it happens all the time with all of us, but it is something you may wish to learn to control...
you might try mediation, and focusing on controlling the energy flow.
~W~
Where would I look or who should I contact for learning to control the energy exchange thing or meditation practices? Any help would be much appreciated!
there are a number of techniques that work.
id suggest that one visualization that might work for you is simply seeing a faucet. when you look at a person, turn the faucet on...letting their energy flow into you.
when you are done, make sure to turn it off...tightly.
that way you dont accidentally feed, and you dont lose your own energy.
there are also articles you can find online about psi feeding that might help you.
~W~
the meditative aspect if it is rather simple.
dim the lights and make yourself comfortable.
breath deeply in...and hold your breath a moment....as you do this tense the muscles in your foot as tightly as you can, then as you exhale, relax the foot, and imagine it just going away.
do this slowly for each voluntary muscle in your body.
once you have done this, imagine yourself floating out of your body...
and imagine yourself as the center of a web of energy.
you control the energy grid you are connected into.
you can open lines or close them...
then you need to pull back, and visualize yourself returning.
this is a very brief explaination, but its enough to get started.
~W~
When you are in close proximity with someone else there is always an energy exchange. Kirlian photographs have been taken that show these types of occurances. I would suspect the loss of this exchange might have a sort of withdrawal symptom but quite honestly I think it is merely that, an emotional reaction to the loss of someone that was important to the individual. Energy exchange is not supernatural. Other cultures that are not western speak of these things very casually. Doesn't mean the west is wrong or the east correct but doesn't take it out of the ballpark as we learn more scientifically.
but really, can anything be supernatural?
if it is supernatural, that means its extra natural, outside of nature.
how can anything really be outside of nature?
i think everything has a scientific basis...but there are many things we just dont understand well yet.
~W~
People want every mythical notion to be possible, but that in and of itself is not enough, they want to present themselves as
associated with mythical notions, and claim to be experienced.
Pushing the envelop of any already far reaching ideals.
i dont take every single thing that any screen writer has come up with and claimed that its just something that science doesnt understand yet...
but true science doesnt automatically rule things out just because we dont THINK that its something real.
i keep my mind open (without letting it fall out).
after all...more things in heaven and earth than are drempt of in your philosophies mi amigo.
so while i may maintain a certain amount of skepticism, i refuse to just say the word "impossible" unless its a gross violation of the laws of physics....and even then i might be mistaken.
~W~
Ah yes the words Probability, and plausibility are far more scientific well stated Wolfster.
Mmm no the Psi's here are just a pain in the head. Very very annoying, they should watch their step.
I blame the poorly educated Mentors!
VR members are NOT a snack!
It's one thing to do this but they tend to hunt in the shadows depending upon anonymity.
Trouble is once they are identified they risk a backlash, it's one thing to feed from a human but otherkin have a strange way of
1-Locating you
2- Taking chunks back!
A Word from the Wise...you Psi's.
Yes, I mean chunks...stick to the general populous or get served. Enough said. Bows and leaves.
GK ... you talk as though you were playing "Dungeons & Dragons" and that such imagined dice-granted "powers" actually work in the real world such that others could feel threatened by them.
The only ones who could possibly feel threatened by imaginary powers are those who, well, delude themselves into believing in them, don'tcha think?
As for this forum topic, if the above is true then I would think even less a threat are those imaginary powers considered "accidental."
- Upir'
your correct dabs...
its all possibility vs probability (ie plausibility)
still, i choose to not rule out those things that are at least possible (at least in my head)
implausible things have turned out to be reality often in the realm of physics.
~W~
Emotions do affect energy levels. Depression often results in fatigue and in extreme situations a literal slowing of motor and cognitive skills. Anxiety boosts energy levels and can result in tremors, nervous tics and heart palpitations. Chemical reactions take place in the brain which causes physiological changes. These triggers vary from person to person.
I have coworkers: one is enthusiastic and even when she is in a "bad" mood she is still positive. No matter how crappy my day is if I spend 20 min with her I feel renewed and energized. Another coworker is very calm and mellow. Whenever I’m frustrated or angry 20 min with him and I'm calmer and more focused. Does that mean I'm "feeding" on them? No. I don't think that makes me an empath either.
There is something to be said about learned behavior and associations. If your exs remember your relationship fondly and associate you with feelings of happiness or contentedness then it makes sense they may be drawn back to you to re-live those feelings. The emotion triggers chemical responses in the brain that boost energy levels.
In this sense maybe you really are your exs "own personal brand of heroin"
Yes, I did just quote Twilight and now I must go commence self-flagellation.
Exactly, LM... the only thing being exchanged is emotional reaction within ourselves and between others around us... not actual "energy," itself.
It is all... emotional interaction.
- Upir'
Wow great advice that makes sense!
Don't feel bad about quoting Twilight I almost did it too.
Hey guys I didn't mean for this thread to be come an argument I just wanted some input on my situation. That's all! So lets keep it civil
Well said Loki and Upir...
I agree that emotions do affect energy levels but I don't believe that there is an actual exchange of energy per se...:)
I was thinking about this Psi Vamp thing earlier, and I thought back to the times that I really felt like a person was sucking the life out of me. And I wondered if I had been a victim of a Psi Vamp that just didn't realise what they were, I have on ex in particular that can drain the energy out of a room full of people, but then I thought that maybe he just had an extremely demanding personality. Im undecided, but I feel like I need a nap now after having to think of that S.O.B. again!
The notion science explains all is non-sense.
How about a human magnet who has been measured?
Front page of the daily mail.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1304481/Iron-Lady-The-mother-magnetic-metal-objects-stick-45-MINUTES.html
So if certain people can manipulate E.M.Forces and others can do maths that beats computers.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/archive/index.php/t-112668761.html
What happens if you combine the two?
I think the phrase "NOT PROVEN" was the phrase used for cigarettes and OJ Simpson.
I know a 15 yr old girl who is so draining she leaves her speechless intelligent friend needing a lie down!
not only have i seen the effects of accidental feeding, but ive seen accidental bonding form because of it.
if you want evidence of it, i fear i cannot help. its like knowing a song is good. cant really say these elements create a good song...just that you know that its a good song.
~W~
Yes of course I did, but I read the full article and her EMF has been measured by independents/ Doctors and verified.
Yes the article exaggerates but hey thats the media, its a bit like flying vampires who live forever.
She is not the only one, moreover if you read the other links you will see super human conditions remain unexplained the world over.
Any one who can work out PI to 20,000 digits is wierd in my books or perhaps you have another take?...
I rest my case!
Rudiger Gamm- The only known non-autistic Savant. Superhuman and Quest: R?diger Gamm of Welzheim, Germany, is The Human Calculator! At 35 years old, he can instantly solve complex mathematical formulas inside his head. Gamm can multiply higher powers and divide two prime numbers to 60 decimals - 84 to the power of 17; 42 to the power of 100; 31 divided by 61.
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Esref Armagan - "The Blind Painter"
The Superhuman and Quest: Esref Armagan, of Ankara, Turkey, is a 53-year-old blind painter. Blind since birth, Armagan is a gifted visual artist who can draw and paint in three dimensions; drawing comparisons to Renaissance architect Filippo Brunelleschi, the first artist to master three point perspective.
brb, being born with no eyes and painting perspective drawings.
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Wim Hof - 'The Iceman'
The Superhuman and Quest: Wim Hof, a 47-year-old man who lives in Amsterdam, Netherlands, is the Iceman. Hof can endure extreme cold temperatures and has broken two world records to prove it. He once spent more than an hour buried up to his neck in ice. Then, only a few weeks later, he swam under the surface of a frozen lake for more than 50 metres wearing only trunks and goggles.
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Elisabeth Sulser - "The Synaesthete"
The Superhuman and Quest: Elizabeth Sulser, of Zurich, Switzerland, is a 29-year old synaesthete. Synaesthesia is an extremely rare neurological condition characterized by the fusing of senses. For Sulser, this means the involuntary fusion of sound, sight and taste.
You are a feeder of kindness and Love. After you finished a relationship with a mate, then, the feeding also stop and the reaction is to try to be as closed as possible to you. You got something that the mates like and they need it for survival. (on their mind). Sometimes this feeding can bring tragic consequences to the feeder.
AlieNation - Yes of course I did, but I read the full article and her EMF has been measured by independents/ Doctors and verified.
If you had read the full article (as I did, btw), you would have learned that she has never been tested by any experts, independent, doctors, or otherwise. This is why she states that such testing is what she wishes for most of all:
"She said her one wish was to be tested by electromagnet specialists so she can understand the cause behind her condition..."
Yet no testing was ever done... not even for the article!
While the reporters went to the trouble of interviewing "experts" thereafter, yet not one of them bothered to actually grant her claimed "one wish" so as to prove or disprove her claims for the article, which would have been Job One on any legit reporter's things-to-do-before-publishing-a-story checklist.
Actually, "Stan Lee's Superhumans" cable series on the TLC network recently aired an episode with an Asian "Magnetic Man" would could walk around with a large ironing iron attached to his bare chest as well as frying pans and other large objects (all tellingly with a FLAT side to them). Unlike the article above, however, the reporters for the TLC series actually checked out the man's claims by having him professionally examined. And, sure enough, the truth came out.
Turns out the man's skin is unusually smooth. Thus, when combined with one's natural skin oils, it created a small vacuum when gravity attempted to have the objects fall that was sufficient to keep the items adhered to his bare skin for awhile. This explains why he always had to place the items on his bare skin instead of over a shirt or other article of clothing. Had he truly been magnetic, putting the items on his body over a thin shirt would have made no difference.
Again, people, we need to use our brains and ask questions instead of blindly believing anyone's claims and, thus, being deceived at every turn.
AlieNation - She is not the only one, moreover if you read the other links you will see super human conditions remain unexplained the world over.
Any one who can work out PI to 20,000 digits is wierd in my books or perhaps you have another take?...
I rest my case!
Unusual or even currently "unexplained" does not equate to "superhuman" or "supernatural." Savants have been known for years to have amazingly focused skills in one specific area. For some it is music, for others it is mathematics and other areas. Thus... the brain has the untapped ability to perform such. And as this is so, then it is not out of the realm of possibility that a few others who are not savants might still be able to achieve or to acquire this untapped intellectual potential. None of these are "superhuman" in nature, simply unusual and still largely unexplained.
Same with the ability of one man to withstand higher and lower temperatures than another. These are not superhuman traits but, instead, simply abnormal physical ranges of tolerances of different sorts.
Fascinating? Most definitely! But Superhuman or Supernatural... no.
VicereineOfAngels - Thank you Markus666! Thank you for the advice and actually answering my question
He told you what most appealed to your beliefs and what you wanted to hear. That's not quite the same as actually answering your question, is it? ;)
- Upir'
What I had meant was at least he was talking about the actual subject of the the thread instead of going off on some tangent that has nothing to do with it!
Thank you!
Yes... when one posts a forum topic, one learns that there will be discussion both on topic as well as tangential to it; just the nature of such an all-open forum as this.
And when, further, the forum topic is a question whose particulars strongly presuppose conclusions not at all in evidence, yes... there are going to be entries where that fact is pointed out and discussed.
Upir, I thank you for a comprehensive and logical response.
One question, how would you react if you saw something truly supernatural?
To be more specific Mulder and Scully always had issues?
How would Scully cope?
Thank you for your kind remark, GK.
To your question I have two responses. The first would be to ask you a question in return:
Assuming you no longer believe in Santa Clause and that I do, how might you respond were I to attempt defending my belief in ol' Kris Kringle by asking you how you would react if you actually saw Santa Clause... and then referenced "The Miracle on 34th Street" as an example of how others who didn't believe reacted to seeing him?
Would this cause you to reconsider believing in Santa Clause again?
Okay, that's my first reaction. My second is to state simply that ... as pointed out by the late renowned astronomer Dr. Carl Sagan... “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”
And thus, were we to encounter lifeforms and/or civilizations that were far more advanced technologically or perhaps mentally, etc., such would most likely seem "magical" or even supernatural to us... yet this doesn't make them so. It simply makes them seem that way due to our own ignorance.
I do not at all deny that there are perhaps a near limitless number of phenomena, lifeforms and forces we have yet to understand or even perceive. However, I do deny that any of these are "supernatural" and, thus, unexplainable or otherwise beyond the scope of scientific inquiry and logical consideration.
It is only through the application of Logic and scientific inquiry with which to temper and focus our emotional and spiritual faculties that we have any real hope of discerning and understanding Reality. Without Logic, we are all both naive and gullible... and shall eventually pay the price until we learn this foundational principle.
And that, I am afraid, is where I seem to differ from the vast majority here who actively seek out and cultivate beliefs in any and every imagined buggaboo and ghostie and alternate reality they or fiction writers choose to dream up instead of ... using their heads, first. I differ in that I do not choose to believe in "supernatural" causes for plainly evidenced and far-simpler and logical explanations that far better fit the facts.
And here's a prime example:
This very forum topic involves one woman's past romantic relationships where residual emotional feelings of ex's still exist, some of whom are for whatever reason having a tougher time resolving their emotional attachments to her. However, instead of seeing them as such, she has chosen to forcibly re-interpreting all such as resulting from "supernatural" pranic or psy "feeding."
Rather than recognize that her ex's are having difficulties (emotional and/or sexual) in separating from her due to any of a myriad of reasons ranging from actual residual emotional feelings to simple lust and/or immaturity and insecurity to co-dependent "withdrawal," instead she has chosen to shun such far-better explanations that would help her better understand relationships and their aftermath and has chosen to create and live in a fantasy world where "accidental feeding" by "vampires" is, instead, the true cause.
The former understanding would have helped her improve her discernment of future potential suitors and relationships with same... while the latter understanding will, instead, separate her further from reality, cause her to misintepret and misunderstand actual Human emotional interactions in relationships, and have her either considering herself a "vampire" or seeking superstitious protection from one.
And while such foundless beliefs gives her permission to falsely believe herself to have "supernatural" "pranic" abilities, yet in so openly flaunting Reality in exchange for such vanity... at what cost?
- Upir'
I find all of this information very useful indeed and I agree with what you have said Upir.
I find that a lot of this goes on regardless and it seems to me that people try to find something to put blame on for lack of a better word when these things happen...
upir:
are you saying that there is no circumstance that could happen to you, that would cause you to go "holy shite, thats some supernatural stuff there!" ?
ok..perhaps not in those words, but something similar?
~W~
Play nice, boys....
from what I understand, to feed as a psi does, you need to have a practiced technique with at least some concentration.
Knowing the limits on your own self control also helps
I am not sure that was an answer but you do have valid points.
The reason I posed the question is that researchers tend to have the stance"Lah Lah Lah, I,m not listening!
What sort of research is that?
Furthermore given this sort of approach, it is hardly conducive to some poor git coming forward and being treated like a nutter? Now is it.
It strikes me that researchers are convinced the paranormal world is "flat".
They would rather hang any "other kin" who happen to present evidence that the world is far more rounded than present wisdom believes or suspects.
A person who is capable of using their outer bodies can go around to various people and feed with, or without them knowing about it. Having romantic feelings towards them? I highly doubt it considering you wouldn't know who they were unless they willingly told you that it was going to be them and you already had some feelings in place for them. You wouldn't love a stranger without knowing them would you? Because that wouldn't be love, that would be lust at first sight. lol
VoA... u won't be able to post anything about this topic and get a positive response, because some people are extremely close minded and ignorant. If you ever have any questions, feel free to ask me :) And don't forget to ignore the people that state their opinion as fact. Very bad taste.
i actually AM playing nice lol
and frankly i think upir is as well. the reason for my question is just that he seems absolutely certain that there is nothing in the universe that he would consider paranormal or supernatural.
personally i dont consider things supernatural because all things that exist are in nature.
as for accidental feeding (for those that dont think that psi feeding occurs anyway, please just skip this post as it will go against preconceived notions), yes vampchica it can happen. there are some that practice psi feeding techniques in order to just be able to do so, and some bodies need the energy so much that they instinctively reach out and take what they need...and sometimes that can leave the donor feeling ill and out of sorts.
agree...disagree...but coconut cream is yummy.
~W~
Hun, I wasn't talking about you. It's just, I don't understand why someone would hop onto a VAMPIRE website and bash vampires. Too much time on their hands? Boredom? Hmm.. lots of reason, I reckon. However, if it was called something else, I bet people would look at it differently. No one has the right to state.. "You don't have that ability!" when they never even met the person. Saying, "in my opinion, I don't think that's possible", is one thing. But Vampyres go through enough of that crap. A vampire website should make them feel at home. This is my opinion and I am entitled to it.
sexy, we have beaten that dog to death before. my analogy is the atheist that goes to a christian site and proceeds to tell all of them that they are nuts. im personally not a christian, but i dont go to places where most peoples beliefs differ from my own, and then proceed to either bash them or grill them demanding that they prove what they believe to be true.
but there will always be those that enjoy poking a stick into the eye of anyone that believes any thing. the best way to deal is not to argue but to ignore...
then maybe just maybe those that engage in such behavior will just become bored and wander away.
sad fact is tho that if you had only one like that, they would in time just go...but if you have two or more, then they will just bounce their commentary off of each other validating each others need to criticize.
now just so im clear, i dont aim these comments at those that ask questions. at the ones that simply say "can you tell me how that is?", which i think is a valid question (altho not always answerable). i aim this at those that as sexy points out just come here to berate others or preach how only they have enlightenment and all the rest are ignorant infidels.
wow...that should have began with the words "it was the best of times, it was the worst of times" LOL
and yes, i really do believe based on personal experience that one can both psi feed, and do so accidentally.
~W~
that is so true. Hey, did you hear that the vampire endogenous retrovirus helped to find the vaccine for AIDS!!?? Ever hear of vHERV or v5?
I have courteously kept out of this exchange until now given that responding to ad hominem attacks is rarely helpful. However, now that "Sexy" has deigned to offer at least some notion of why she has engaged in such personal harangues, at least now I have something concrete to respond to... and shall.
For my part, "Sexy," should such non-forum related attacks have been primarily directed at me, I have made it quite clear to anyone able to actually read my words here that I am not "bashing" anyone or their beliefs. I simply expect that if someone makes an extraordinary or supernatural claim that they provide some evidence to back it up besides simply stating "... I am" or "...I believe" as though this very statement alone ought to trump and supercede andy and all mountains of evidence to the contrary.
If someone claims to the world that they can fly... should they not expect the world to then ask that they demonstrate this ability? And is not ridiculously immature and unreasonable of that person to then turn around and slam everyone who dares questions this ability by calling them "ignorant" for asking for such evidence?
As my profile page makes abundantly clear, I know full well that those maligned as "Vampires" do actually exist. However, my research (actual research... not belief in or adulation for fiction or vain self-glorification) has led me to some rather intriguing and controversial conclusions regarding exactly who and what "Vampires" actually were and still are.
So... no... you are in error: I am not here to bash anyone nor do I disbelieve in Vampires... as historically portrayed and defined and they actually are, rather than as fiction portrays them.
Thus... to answer your direct issue with me and people like me, it's not that I "bash" anyone; I simply expect that if you expect others to take your claims seriously, you need to provide serious evidence for your claims. And that, dear "Sexy," is on you and on anyone else who makes extravagant claims to provide.
Now... that said... let's get to the topic of this particular forum. Here we have someone who has left a romantic relationship and finds that those with whom she had such a relationship are having varying difficulties in letting it go.
This she chooses to interpret as due to her own supernatural abilities.
As so many others have opined as well, not just me, this is COMMON to relationships for purely emotional reasons that are to be expected in all such relationships to greater and lesser degrees. Thus... this is not evidence of "psy" or "pranic" feeding, accidental or otherwise.
Now... if further evidence is provided that indicates something more going on here, then I'm sure that I and all others would welcome hearing such. However, no such has been offered in all this time by the forum originator... thus, no one with any intelligence ought to immediately leap to supernatural conclusions when a far-simpler non-supernatural conclusion is so glaringly staring us all in the face.
If that common-sense Logic still makes me "ignorant" in your eyes... well, I guess I'll just have to try and live with that.
- Upir'
I have courteously kept out of this exchange until now given that responding to ad hominem attacks is rarely helpful. However, now that "Sexy" has deigned to offer at least some notion of why she has engaged in such personal harangues, at least now I have something concrete to respond to... and shall.
For my part, "Sexy," should such non-forum related attacks have been primarily directed at me, I have made it quite clear to anyone able to actually read my words here that I am not "bashing" anyone or their beliefs. I simply expect that if someone makes an extraordinary or supernatural claim that they provide some evidence to back it up besides simply stating "... I am" or "...I believe" as though this very statement alone ought to trump and supercede andy and all mountains of evidence to the contrary.
If someone claims to the world that they can fly... should they not expect the world to then ask that they demonstrate this ability? And is not ridiculously immature and unreasonable of that person to then turn around and slam everyone who dares questions this ability by calling them "ignorant" for asking for such evidence?
As my profile page makes abundantly clear, I know full well that those maligned as "Vampires" do actually exist. However, my research (actual research... not belief in or adulation for fiction or vain self-glorification) has led me to some rather intriguing and controversial conclusions regarding exactly who and what "Vampires" actually were and still are.
So... no... you are in error: I am not here to bash anyone nor do I disbelieve in Vampires... as historically portrayed and defined and they actually are, rather than as fiction portrays them.
Thus... to answer your direct issue with me and people like me, it's not that I "bash" anyone; I simply expect that if you expect others to take your claims seriously, you need to provide serious evidence for your claims. And that, dear "Sexy," is on you and on anyone else who makes extravagant claims to provide.
Now... that said... let's get to the topic of this particular forum. Here we have someone who has left a romantic relationship and finds that those with whom she had such a relationship are having varying difficulties in letting it go.
This she chooses to interpret as due to her own supernatural abilities.
As so many others have opined as well, not just me, this is COMMON to relationships for purely emotional reasons that are to be expected in all such relationships to greater and lesser degrees. Thus... this is not evidence of "psy" or "pranic" feeding, accidental or otherwise.
Now... if further evidence is provided that indicates something more going on here, then I'm sure that I and all others would welcome hearing such. However, no such has been offered in all this time by the forum originator... thus, no one with any intelligence ought to immediately leap to supernatural conclusions when a far-simpler non-supernatural conclusion is so glaringly staring us all in the face.
If that common-sense Logic still makes me "ignorant" in your eyes... well, I guess I'll just have to try and live with that.
- Upir'
From things i have read and been thinking about, I don't believe that people are actually vampires and i'll explain my thoughts here.
People naturally give their physical body energy from the earth, the sun, and the air. You are tending your physical needs everyday through eating etc taking in energy constantly.
Then you have your "outer body" which from what i have read, can be proven through special cameras. Basically if you keep your physical body healthy, you are keeping your outer body healthy too.
So why do people need to feed from others?
Well, if anyone has any experience at all as to what it feels like sharing or taking energy from another, it's like a "high", more or less. I feel that once people whom experience this , can become 'energy junkies'.
Perhaps people who are constantly getting fed from by other's doing so, creates a pattern of others whom are lacking, thus sends their outer body to go looking for energy that's lacking someplace and so on and so on.
It's just a theory of mine but I like to keep things on a more logical level and not add fantasy to everything and tag words on things to make it sound more than what it really is.
upir
while i do disagree with you at times (and find myself in agreement with you at others), i very much appologize if you interpreted my comments earlier as attacks on you.
what im far more annoyed at goes something like this:
post A: id like to find out more about real vampires
post B: thats BS, theres no such thing as vampires, and anyone that believes in them is an idiot.
you interpret vampires differently than others, but i dont have a problem with the idea that there can be more than a single creature we refer to as "vampire"
~W~
You want some proof.. you got it..
Yale University ''Endogenous retroviruses contribute to the evolution of the host genome and can be associated with disease.'' The belief that being a vampire was caused by a disease dates back at least as far as the black plague. Making this far from being a new belief, and the black plague happened long before movies were even thought of. Meaning this is defnitely not due to the latest vampire movie, or any vampire or non-vampire movie for that matter. The claim that it is just an energy deficiency problem, dates back no farther than the movie ''Lifeforce'' which was created in 1985.
http://vector.bcm.tmc.edu ''endogenous retroviruses are a sub-category of oncoviruses that include the lentiviruses. endogenous retroviruses are negative single-stranded RNA viruses in which tRNA serves as a primer for the mRNA synthesis. The mRNA is then reverse transcribed into DNA, which is then integrated into the chromosome at a multiplicity of sites, particularly those that are transcriptionally active.''
The main reason behind why real vampirism isn't as widely believed as one would think, is due to a failure of the general public's' understanding of the endogenous retrovirus which for this website will be referred to as vHERV. A majority of the general public doesn’t believe, and do not want to believe, that human DNA can be altered in such a way to create such a being.
The term 'Real Vampire' for purpose of this site is going to be used as a medical term and therefore must be separated from the 'Vampire' myths, such as Dracula. A Viral Vampire is an infected human. Though the DNA in the host human has been greatly altered, the organism remains human in the medical sense, as the number of chromosomes have not been changed. The entire human race has the same number of chromosomes. The number of chromosomes is what separates humans and animals (except for those born with Down's Syndrome - these people have an extra copy of chromosome 21 but are, of course, human). It must be kept in mind that DNA can be altered in many ways. Many endogenous retroviruses can alter their DNA to become stronger and survive even more intolerable conditions. This is what happens with the human DNA with the vHERV endogenous retrovirus.
Technically the Real Vampire is still a human. However, for sake of discussion let us think of viral Vampires as non-human or as the next step in human evolution. This is difficult to believe because many of the attributes of a Real Vampire are considered far more developed than those of a human. Strength, speed, enhanced mental and/or psychic abilities, the ability to digest human and animal blood more efficiently are but a few of the differences. The reason this happens is the basic human DNA is altered by the endogenous retrovirus. The endogenous retrovirus, which we call vHERV, is NOT the same virus as HIV. To simplify, it is transmitted through a simple exchange of blood which can later be passed on either through birth or the more traditional way of an exchange of blood.
Through birth, the child inherits the retrovirus, passed on from the mother or father. The parent may have become infected with the endogenous retrovirus from some other member of their family such as a cousin, aunt, brother, etc., and thus the retrovirus is passed onto the newborn. Rarely are both parents infected, i.e., real vampires themselves. The passing of the endogenous retrovirus to the child from the parent produces a biological vampire child. The vHERV is passed onto the newborn much the same way the other seven endogenus retroviruses that separate humans from chimpanzees are passed from mother to child. Every normal human being all ready has ten endogenous retroviruses three of which are shared with chimpanzees. The other seven are only found in humans.
According to Yale university as well as other well respected universities these are the difference that make humans more evolved than the chimpanzee. In such a child, the endogenous retrovirus remains dormant until the catalyst of the onset of puberty. The release of hormones is believed to activate the endogenus retrovirus system. Meaning it really is not a stretch to say that introducing one or more new endogenous retroviruses to a human will cause them to become a vampire, in effect giving the vampire some definite new advantages.
The effects of the vHERV endogenous retrovirus then take a number of years during later childhood growth to become completely effective, i.e. active in the system from its previously dormant state in the child's body. In most cases, the child assumes that it is just the normal changes that happen to everyone during puberty, and generally thinks no more of it. It is also believed that the blood chemical make-up of the individual is also responsible in determining if the child will be fully affected by the endogenous retrovirus and thus DNA altered. (When the exchange of blood happens, the endogenous retrovirus adapts to the newly introduced blood chemical make up, which is what allows a real vampire to take on the strengths from the one that they have received the blood from, thereby allowing it to become compatible with the new potential host.) As with Inheritors, it takes traditional vampires a while to develop the full blown endogenous retrovirus after being infected. (Most of the changes happen within the first 3 days, roughly 70-80%. The remaining changes happen over the next few years.)
vHERV is closely related to many other viruses such as the common flu virus and the HIV virus. vHERV is not the HIV virus but works in much the same way when infecting the host. Another reason the reality and cause of vampirism in today's modern world is not more commonly known, is because many members of the public or medical establishment do not know of the existence of vHERV. Why do they not know of it? Because unlike the Ebola virus and the Black Plague which have been named and dated, vHERV in the scheme of the medical world is relatively new, and not deadly. That is not to say that it has just been stumbled across in modern times but it has existed in the shadows of humanity for a millennium without a definite name. vHERV has only been known for a relatively short time, many years to be sure, but in regard to other viruses, a short time.
It has been many years now that several doctors in several parts of the USA and Europe have known about and been actively studying the vHERV and its victims. These studies have been accomplished by long range, personal, and one-on-one research with these infected people.
Why so secretive?
The same reason as with any other discovery. Once released, the doctors and researchers will gain money, fame and reputation. Not to mention grants, and the licensing of new drugs, etc.
A few years ago, it was discovered that vHERV is related to the HIV virus. We began telling people then of an impending breakthrough in a vaccine for HIV. A vaccine for HIV was discovered from the link to the vampire endogenous retrovirus. During the month of June 1998, both NBC and ABC first gave the announcement of a new HIV vaccine.
Just prior to that release, the news announced a gene, newly discovered, that lengthened the life of a fruit fly by twice its normal life span. That gene, in an insect, was gained from gene mapping, isolating, and gene construction, and the same is possible and already being done with humans. Is it a coincidence, maybe?
Now that we have that out of the way, I'm gonna say this again.. It is extremely RUDE to state that someone else's beliefs are "bs" which is what you are doing. The majority of this site believes it. Now I'm sorry, but right is right and wrong is wrong. When you make your statements, you need to state an opinion. You are stating your opinion as if it was a fact, which it is not a fact because you do NOT know for a fact. Those of us who live our daily lives in such a fashion have the right to state our opinions.. for example, IN MY OPINION.. Vampyres do indeed exist... you are just sitting there stating opinions as fact. It's not right and it makes you sound like you are abashing other people's beliefs. That's not right. It's rude and makes you look mmmmm. I'm gonna stop right here. You may think you're this smart superior being, but you're not and you're definitely not superior to me. Your research is done on pure fiction. So guess what... you're beliefs are wrong!!! How do you like it.
Granted mutations have ALWAYS been around and happening within many species and of course humans but still yet, we are talking about scientists doing research on vampires? So people are supposed to assume that because people are given longer lifespans in the change of our genes that makes a person a vampire? Come on now. Do we really wanna label ourselves or people that might have something going on a little differently in the blood as something vampiric? It makes for a nice read but half the time doctors aren't exactly 100% correct on their information and there's a LOT they don't understand or know about. Maybe it's just simple evolution. Is that so impossible to accept?
LW,
While we often disagree, yes, yet it was to "Sexy's" diatribes (of which her last entry is only the latest and, thus far, the worst) that I was responding. You have said nothing for which I could take offense, at all. Thus, thank you for your much-appreciated remarks and the thoughtfulness behind them.
Sexy *sigh!*... The only one who needs to play nice here, is you.
While your prior entry has me appreciating the effort you went to to prepare some evidence, which I shall investigate further, yet your last entry has you ... yet again ... propping up as my own ugly scenarios and arrogant attitudes I have not expressed and then slamming them down as if this represented my views. I have never called anyone's beliefs "bs," as you accused me, nor demanded that anyone accept my research as truth. However, anyone reading this latest harangue from you can clearly see plain evidence that this is exactly how you present yourself and your views.
What I said, as you can go scroll up and read for yourself, is that anyone who declares their beliefs and/or claims to others as fact without legit evidence for same cannot expect others to accept and treat such beliefs as though they were truths. If I declared that I could fly and then expected everyone to treat that claim as though it were a foregone conclusion, I would be the one acting arrogantly, would I not? And yet... as here... this forum topic poster presumes that she is "Accidental(ly) Feeding" pranically and when anyone expresses doubt of this (e.g., ... me), you slam me for daring to doubt the claimant (?!).
I have to admit I did find the end of your latest diatribe just a bit humorous given how it ends with you vehemently declaring everything I've researched (based on history, not fiction, btw) wrong and everything you have stated, of course, to all be the fact... which is so ironically (hypocritically perhaps? hmmm?) exactly what you mistakenly accused me of doing that got you so upset with me in the first place.
- Upir'
the lovely asura didst state:
Granted mutations have ALWAYS been around and happening within many species and of course humans but still yet, we are talking about scientists doing research on vampires? So people are supposed to assume that because people are given longer lifespans in the change of our genes that makes a person a vampire? Come on now. Do we really wanna label ourselves or people that might have something going on a little differently in the blood as something vampiric? It makes for a nice read but half the time doctors aren't exactly 100% correct on their information and there's a LOT they don't understand or know about. Maybe it's just simple evolution. Is that so impossible to accept?
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there is much that science has yet to come to grips with. in fact the latest physics theory has more than a hint of religious belief about it (string theory) in that it is inherently unprovable.
that said, im pretty certain ghosts also exist, but i dont think science has proven the existence of them yet (altho in the "entity" case back in the 70s they did gather some amazing evidence)
assuming you have someone that requires taking life energy from others in order to live...how does one prove that? karelian (sp) photography has shown a vampire feeding before (it looks like the donor's aura is being sucked into a drain that is located in the vampire) but most scientists dont accept the existence of auras either.
perhaps its something that someone can either just accept or not accept. seems rather pointless to argue about something of this nature tho.
~W~
and upir...
just to blemish myself with you once again...
if this website was advertised as "being for people that can really fly without mechanical aid", and the claim of being able to fly was made on it, then the aggressively skeptical person would in my opinion be out of line.
if however they made the same claim on say vampire rave, the place for real vampires, then i would say that they were fair game.
~W~
LW,
Then permit me to blemish myself, as well.
Were this a site where a specific supernatural activity (e.g., flying) were being claimed, I would think it far more out of line that people would claim such ability and then attack anyone who asks for evidence of such.
Who is more absurd? Those who question the fantastical claims of others? Or those who make such fantastical claims about themselves publicly while denouncing anyone who dares to question such?
Thus, again, I think you have the cart in front of the horse on this question.
However... such is really not the case at this site, now is it? There is no specific fantastical ability being promoted at this site, now is there?
Each has his/her own definition of what "Real Vampire" means to them. And while that is fine as it goes, yet if someone makes a claim such as, say, "Accidental (psy) Feeding" and provides as example of such something commonly experienced by all for which no supernatural ability is the cause... ought this not to be pointed out? Or should we instead enable another's delusion by agreeing, supporting and defending such an illogical conclusion at all costs and at the cost of the obvious?
I guess what I'm asking is this:
If, as in the famous children's parable to personal integrity, the "Emperor" feels he is wearing "New Clothes" as he parades around naked while demanding that we all praise his clothing... is it more out of line to submit to such delusion with lying praises of the man's non-existent fashion and denouncing any and all who dare to speak the truth of the man's true condition? Or does not our own personal integrity justify if not demand that we be honest with ourselves and also with the in-the-buff man, himself?
And finally, as you claim to be a former high school physics teacher, someone who I presume must have some appreciation for the imperative need to apply logic to any problem or question, I do find it increasingly curious ... okay, troubling... how strongly you attempt to support and encourage others' beliefs and claims even when such fly directly in the face of the facts and observations at hand (e.g., this forum topic). Such an attitude seems completely antithetical to the instruction of science.
- Upir'
LW,
I can see and agree to the way that both you and Upir are expressing each other in your thoughts on the matter. I would also like to add that I believe there are many people on this website that can attest and agree on the fact that it is very natural for all living beings to occasionally , if not constantly, share one another's energies in some form. I tend to look at things from the most realistic answers, withdrawing from the fantasy words since most relate vampire with something mythical, not actual.
About the photo of someone taking a picture of a vampire draining a person....I would like to know how said person came to the conclusion that they were taking a photograph OF a said "vampire"?
As you know most people often define themselves with labels that really do not have a true fact basis. It is just one of which is most recognized by "action" rather than what they are.
Perhaps a person who is capable of moving around outside of body, naturally needs energy to keep going about it's journey so to speak.
Let's pretend people are like a spiritual bodies "gas station". They visit, they feed off you for a bit, and off they go again. Does this truly mean they are vampire?
Not to me.
My theory is that humanity is a good source for a refill because we probably take in a great amount of energy on a daily basis. Perhaps the spiritual journeys "require" a source before going back "home".
So the question is....what if it's natural that those who can do such things, do it unaware and it's simply natural, not vampiric?
A simple question has turned into a battle over semantics. Both science and spirituality have a place in this world..side by side...I believe by history's evidence, it was once called "alchemy." The far-reaching theories that expound beyond Einstein's perfect theory of relativity is being tested even now.
In answer to the paraphrased original question..could it be possible that someone's personal energy fields be a source of feeding or perhaps better referred to as being a strong attractant to others to the point of addiction? I would say yes, that it is possible..all things are possible...however proof is often debated due to lack of plausible existence to the physical five senses.
If anyone has actually read upon relativity or quantum physics as mentioned here in this thread, much less the smashing of atoms deep underground... somewhere over there in "neutral" territory...(which, by the way, is an actual experiment to search out alternate dimensions that Newtonian science cannot fathom), would there actually be a debate over who's right and who's wrong here?
If it's so crazy and ludicrous, then why are world governments spending so much money on these "projects" to prove the existence of what is "not there?" Anti-matter, black holes, alternate dimensions, micro-universes...Adam Ant..or perhaps even the scapegoat the Hebrew set loose in the desert once a lunar year.
A sacrifice to Azazel, who took the sins of 12 nations upon his shoulders for eveyone elses' punishments in teaching the ways of war and the arts of magick....much less for teaching the evolved chimp-humans how to "write."
The very act of forming a letter drawn by human hands was considered by the Ancients a very powerful form of E=MC square....which by definition is bringing that which is unseen into physical reality by the exchange of energy exacted through the utterance of written words.
As for anyone who researches historical texts, you'll find that these ideas of alternate sciences and cultural belief systems, however far back they may date and however archaic linguistics describe, all have essential ingredients to the overall universal recipe of existence and non-existence...whether one can directly or indirectly ascertain the proof of it or not.
All that is left to say in beating this horse to death is simply..."round and round we go..where this wheel stops...nobody knows."
A great post, Silverhawk; I enjoyed much of it and the points made. Again, yesterday's "magic" is often indeed today's scientific fact.
This does not, of course, validate belief in either magic or the superstitions and beliefs behind such, but validates instead the scientific pursuit of knowledge and understanding that ultimately frees us from the premature conclusions reached as a result of such beliefs and superstitions. So long as we keep clearly in mind this fact, I believe we avoid confusing such issues with semantics.
For the record,
Opinion-
An opinion is a subjective statement or thought about an issue or topic, and is the result of emotion or interpretation of facts. An opinion may be supported by an argument, although people may draw opposing opinions from the same set of facts. Opinions rarely change without new arguments being presented. However, it can be reasoned that one opinion is better supported by the facts than another by analysing the supporting arguments.[1]
An opinion may be the result of a person's perspective, understanding, particular feelings, beliefs, and desires. In casual use, the term opinion may refer to unsubstantiated information, in contrast to knowledge and fact-based beliefs.
While one denounces the opinion of another as "just an opinion" then the logical conclusion is that their opinion is just as much "just an opinion" , and it comes down to how supported that opinion is, supported not necessarily by evidence, but at least referable material.
I thank you kindly Upir and Dabbler...very well stated on all sides. Opinions vary with the currents of change in perspective as one is enlightened with knowledge and understanding. It is however, unfortunate, that many within the populace of any formed society, base their opinionated assumptions upon beliefs founded solely upon superstition.
Superstition by all accounts is founded in fear of the unknown. However, all things...known and unknown have the capacity of being believed before showing the proof of existence thereof. The existence of anything, regardless of proof of life, is held within the creative ponderance of the intellect and spoken word, thereby bringing into account all things that were once a thought or hope thereof.
Thus, humanity has searched in pursuit of the impossible, only to discover that which the Ancients already knew of, before our time of technological advancements. It is, in my opinion, an inherent fact that the will of the heart has great influence over the dimensions of both the physical and the spiritual, thus affecting the energies and emotions of those we come in contact with.
In this, my theorized concept, the existence of both sides to this arguement are both correct. However opposite the points of view from either Sexy, Upir, or Dabbler may appear on the surface, I believe it best surmised to say that one should not be lost in besotted, blind belief nor bashed against the rocks of pure skeptisism. Instead, both sides should be weighed against each other upon the scales of wisdom. Only those that are short-sighted in their grasp of common sense and intellectual fortitude will miss the point entirely.
In light of that last statement, on the whole I must concur with Upir. While I pesonally believe that the influence of one's pranic energy can affect others on an unseen level, reasonable alternatives must also be considered and ruled out before falling off the deep end of fantasy-fiction and ruthless semantics.
One thing keeps coming up as a default.
and that is, "Well their are people who experience this, for themselves, everyday of their life."
This demonstrates personal conviction (not belief) based on alleged experience.
Once in a while an individual will honestly , "I would believe it unless I experienced it."
So this is the default of many with regards to "phenomena".
So to insist that people (who have not experienced same) are ignorant for not subscribing to same, is irrational.
If two people are in a room, and watch a pencil, and the pencil moves, without being touched by either of them, and they conclude a ghost, or PK must be the reason it moved, then sharing that experience becomes biased. anyone would ask, was their a draft in the room? was the table disturbed?
Then in the case of Vampires, comes the question.
What Model would be acceptable to subscribe to?
What resources could I read to equip myself with enough knowledge to represent the specific model.
So aside from an alleged experience involving an unsubstantiated bio current, I would be far more accepting of the physiological summary.
What is apparent is that those who identify as Vampires will hijack anything to buffer their cause.
If an effort was made to educate, rather then to impress, and intimidate people, their would be a smoother social acclamation of those who would have society accept their identity.
Yet, sadly it appears elements on the fringe of vampire idealist don't want acclamation, they want to be received as extraordinary.
So in conclusion.. They are in Fact, a Real Drain On Society.
V to get back to your question about your exes the problem is that they refuse to move on and still have feelings for you
know if only there was a cure for them to forget the feelings that they have and make them move on since would love my ex of 2 year 7 months move on and stop contacting me by email friends family etc
hmm...a good cure for that sort of obsession is also referred to as a "restraining order" with proof of harrassment...^^
well so far he hasn't discovered where living now and have been for the past year and most of my family members do not know how to reach me or where I live as we keep in contact by messenger or email
plus the idiot doesn't know that when he emails me after getting it from family members I know who it is from since he still writes to me the same way he did when we were together for 3 yrs
It is unfortunate to have to live that way, but it is even more unfortunately true of many who must, in order to separate themselves from an obssesive partner. To be honest, I'm not entirely sure how I was able to turn a psychotic step-father away from pursuing myself or my mother many years ago.
There was a period of time that I was so mentally and emotionally concentrated on his own downfall, that is was a nearly constant and daily thought process even after I was married and out of the house. As I worked through those fears and feelings, my mother has not, being permanently scarred from the terrorism he enacted upon her and me.
As it is presently, he's dropped so far off the grid, my step-father is..according to his brother...living in the wilderness and doped up out of his mind...completely lost in a sense, unable to focus on anything in particular.
A very sad, human result for anyone you'd consider human at all. However, I do not pity him. I've often wondered in the back of my mind if my own intention, my own willful heart did not have some influence of that outcome, but I can never fully say that it is so. I can only say that it is more likely, "wishful thinking."
It is more likely that his own drug usage and psychosis finally swallowed his own mind. Thankfully it affected him more directly and not those of us he abused without remorse.
I think, in regarding the discussion that has cropped up regarding this simple question, is the fact that when speaking of matters of the heart, these situations can easily get out of control.
Most often, it has nothing to do with accidental psychic feeding...but more with natural, human desire that doesn't have a cap on it. I have yet to meet anyone that truly has a sense of "total" self-control of their emotional roller-coaster. That, being the simplest explanation (as Upir suggested) is most likely "the" explanation regarding so many ex's desiring for what "once was."
In consideration, I think there are many out there that wished there was a "cure" for natural, human obssession.
asura:
the person in the photograph taking the energy was self identified as a vampire.
i suspect we may be bantering semantics tho.
others may certainly take energy and call themselves "not vampires"
considering that in general beings that take energy (or blood) from others are referred to as vampires.
we can call a cold blooded animal with a spine, that lives in the water and breaths thru gills a man-bear-pig, but most call it a fish.
still, tis only my opinion and its a given that your mileage may vary.
~W~
there is no such thing as an accidental feeding, unless you are sleep walking and bingo you feed unknowingly.
Good question. And I believe that if you need it bad enough that you will do it.
Very true Bain.
Well wouldn't you feed unknowingly if you don't know what you are?
Alright, i'm not trying to be the gasshole (that's a clean word, right?) here but i think this should be said.
If you think you've accidentally fed off of someone, you probably didn't. No more than a vibrating crystal eats a tuning fork.
How can someone not know what they are, apart from the things that don't matter, like society status?
A person knows what they need to survive, and if they don't need it but still do it, it's either a hobby or grudging ritual.
If you're doing something that you don't enjoy doing, but can't stop, you should probably seek help.
and if you do enjoy it, then why worry if you're not breaking the law?
Agreed, Cabrion. Additionally, VOA, if you don't know who you are and you don't know if you're "feeding unknowingly," why would you arrive at the assumption that you are?
And, btw, I do give you credit for not trying to claim that you do know!
And don't worry, Cabrion. In the eyes of almost all here... given that I dare to ask questions (*gasp!*) instead of dutifully believing anything I'm told... I'm considered the resident "gasshole" here. ;)
- Upir'
ah..Upir...all of this posturing is making me hungry..perhaps I'll have an accidental feeding on a Hershey's choclate bar...:)
Silverhawk... now THAT's the kind of accidental feeding I can relate to! ;)
Honest,
I only tilted the can, so I could read off the ingredients, I had no intention of pouring any amount into my mouth, but when it happened, I found it in my best interest to chew rather then choke.
So technically I am not violating my doctors order to avoid fatty snack foods.
Haha...:P oopss...between my wrappers and your can, we'll need to find a respectable waste bin to put them in...^^ Remember!!!...one must be green, even in eating or drinking..accidental or not!..lolz...:)
dabs, when the time came you knew not only that you were eating, but what you were eating as well.
to save your life.
I looked up to see whether or not it was raining, forgot to close my mouth, and drank rather than drown.
WTF, was i drinking or something?!
I still get the vibe that this thread is hypothetical, presented as "experience".
dhampir are notorious for such activity. as well as becoming familiars of various factions to learn what they may.
one parent is vampire and the other parent is human usually the male parent is the vampire
Historically (i.e., factually), the vampire parent of a true dhampir is always male... because historically, vampires are male. ;)
something interesting. In every movie i've ever seen that involves werewolves or lycans, there are Zero female lycans.
They're all men.
where the fuck do they keep coming from?
Actually, there's a lot more in common than that between Vampires and Werewolves.
One of the earliest terms for Vampire was Vukodlak, which means "wolf's hair" and meant the same thing as Werewolf. That's because the Werewolf is, in fact, simply another early term for "Vampire." Historically, Vampires and Werewolves were simply different terms for the same being.
And this explains why all Werewolves are males... because, in fact, all Werewolves were historically synonymous with Vampires, which historically were also exclusively male.
This also explains why Stoker depicted his iconic vampire, Dracula, as changing into a wolf and not a bat. In this at least, Stoker was accurately following the legends.
- Upir'
I think and have seen many ppl who do not know what they are and use their gifts without knowing so this is a possibility. The other part is more of the are you subconsciously putting things into the other person so they stay.
Upir, I understand that Bram Stokers original script portrayed the vampire as a woman.
Do you know if she turned into a Wolf? or if that was also altered by the...coughs, Church?
Blood and Chocolate had women that could turn into actual wolves. but .... come on.... blood and chocolate..... barely a real movie.
But hmmmmm i'm not sure if the 'all male' thing is based on any sort of fact or just the oppression women were under in that time-era.
Actually, this is not an example of Church-sponsored misogyny, in this case.
You see, "vampires" were historically male because that was the name given those extremely rare males who possessed the one singular trait that was originally demonized as vampiric. (And, no, the trait in question was not blood-drinking. But we'll get to that in a second.)
The reason why women were not historically (i.e., originally) portrayed as vampires is because those women who possessed this same truly "vampiric" trait were demonized by an entirely different name... as "Witches."
And the singular trait they both shared and for which they were both hunted down and slaughtered throughout history?
I'll let the historical quotes speak for themselves:
Vampires (males in possession of this extremely rare capacity):
"The vampire of folklore is a sexual creature, and his sexuality is obsessive– indeed, in Yugoslavia... he is apt to wear out his widow with his intentions, so that she too pines away, much like his other victims."
-- Vampires, Burial and Death: Folklore and Reality; P. Barber, 1988; p. 9
"Gypsies believed... vampires had an insatiable sexual appetite and would return from the grave to have sexual relations with their widow or a young woman of their choosing."
-- The Vampire Book, J. Gordon Melton, 1999; p. 616
"To conclude: All witchcraft comes from carnal lust, which is in women insatiable." The Witch's Hammer (Malleus Maleficarum, Question VI; 1487 CE)
Well then....
thank god fangirls and pretty much every stereotypical male weren't so common back then, humanity may have died out right there.
Well burn me, burn me, burn me...:P for I am such an insatiable witch!!...^^
lolz...oh yes, as for the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, thus has Eve forever been blamed for man's downfall, yet to read the original word for Adam "and" Eve, the Hebrew is Ben-ha-dam (sp?) ...anywho's...suffice it to say, in my interpretation of such scriptures..where Eve was, there too was Adam and therefore just as guilty for eating said apple...:P
Take it on the chin buster..:)
Many thanks Upir, makes sense... but why would the Church be hiding such things. Did some witches and Vamps develop abilities that would challenge the notion of a supreme being?
Religion is often about power so I can see why powerful individuals with strange abilities would have to be erased. I wonder if the bloodlines of those groups who are sexual predators have a greater resistance to diseases? Should be easy to check.
"To conclude: All witchcraft comes from carnal lust, which is in women insatiable."
- (Malleus Maleficarum, Question VI; 1487 CE)
I understand what Upir says and I agree with his point of view mostly.
However the Church didn`t extended towards East and Central Europe.It was there at first and then extended towards the west.
In letters of Vallchian clergy the vampires during the XVIth century were the ones who were cursed by the church for different reasons, not only sexual.
So I don`t think that the vampire is essentially sexual but has as a main trait the thirst for life in all it`s symbols(the Christian metaphor" blood is life" gave birth to the modern vampire myth as we know it in today form).
Still I think we are far away from the thread`s question.
Since the manipulation of invisible energies from human to another human bodies, couldn`t be proved yet with the modern technical meanings - at least I don`t know of such a prove, if you know just post it here please - noone can teach another how it can be done.
If somebody on this site is telling you the opposite he/ she must proove it.
Personally I think this kind of invisible energy(energies) can`t be manipulated with success in a long shot.
Still the research on "evil eye" may be a good way to start proving it.
If somebody could control it would be on the first page of the magazines all over the world.
So if you can`t do it or prove it to exist you cant teach another.
Also I think Love, if it is a form of energy, can`t be controlled so easy.
Somebody said in the past that love has no rules.
I’ve heard many ideals on this; Osmosis is a great term to use when asking can a vampire feed without knowing it or meaning to? All things will naturally equal themselves out if given time and the correct environment. Let’s say a vampire is lacking in energy for instance and a person vibrant and flowing with it comes into contact with that vampire. I would think that with the natural flow of osmosis an energy change would take place and a sort of feeding could take place without it being intended by the said vampire.
As per relationships people bond in ways we still can’t explain. Often people try to follow that which they are accustomed too or the norm. Often it takes a great deal of time for a person to fully let go after a relationship has ended and the circumstances it ended under. It’s normal to feel a longing for someone you once dated for a period after the breakup, but in time it should fade. If after six or seven months there is still an issue it may have something to do with a predisposition factor from the past that is causing a co-dependency.