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Over the years appearance has progressed from the restricted 50s, to the laid back 60, to the Mod-ish 70s.

Some of the first fashion/appearance movements where driven by very moderated social acceptable norms.. ie; standards.

Eventually risque fashion was not so risque.

So in the current strata, with the bar raised so high, do people insist on pressing forward.

Questions,

Are those who push the threshold comfortable?

Are they "let down" when no one "looks down" on them.

Are "The Squares" just no longer concerned with appearances?

Have those who pursue "shock fashion' resorted to fringe amalgamations of ideals to present along with their apparent apparel?

hollywood: "be yourself and people will love you, but only if you're unique and stand out! Be as bizarre as you are! And everyone will love you. otherwise you'll fuck everything uP!"

Idfk, also with technology people can avoid everyone who doesnt see things the way they do, successfully avoid every annoyance, until they find a website filled to the brim with people just as bizarre as them.

How much of what is deemed persecution is balderdash?

Why do people "throw" themselves out to mainstream society, and declare, "I don't care what people think of me." Then cry because they are not "accepted".

Could it be a desire to be considered extraordinary just for adopting fringe fashion, rather then developing notable chariceristics that fill a niche in society?

As if society is at a point where anything goes, but what of the complete package?

Example; Abby in NCSI, a truly fringe character, and person. yet she excels at a field.

a "socially failed" person will continue to "socially fail", regardless of the garb they wear, and idealism they adopt.

Why enable people to delude themselves into thinking it is solely their beliefs, and ideals that people reject?

How many drudging dogmatic stand-off could be defused, if people stopped "jumping" in to defend people who intentionally instigate feuds, feuds based on whimsy, and sensational interpretations of existing (some what accepted) ideals?

I think this is a matter of perception and taste and quite frankly good manners. I feel that people have lost this in a sense. I see posting in here and in the news and people have gone mad as far as I am concerned. So many people are full of hate. Many are worrying about how long they will live with various threats in the world and I think they are trying to express themselves. They are trying to get away from being forced into stereotypical lifestyles.

I am involved with things some would think of as fringe but I don't allow that to force me to dress or like certain types of things. I am curious enough on my own. It is just that even though the 50s was about marriage and family and then the sixties, actually mid sixties people tried to break away and be freer about things but it was small groups of people. Were they trying to stand out, I don't think so? They were involved in a movement that was far more open in most cases but it led to violence because when someone makes such drastic changes there are those that feel threatened.

I personally think we shouldn't worry about what others wear or what they believe as long as they aren't sacrificing people on the full moon or things like that. I know some very well educated people into a lot of things that some might think of as fringe and for years. Why some remain interested more in what has been associated to conformity I don't know or why others go the other direction I don't know but there are extermes of both. I see it here as well and they do stand out as very close-minded ideas that are rationalized against the person who feels this way to look superior. Now why does someone need that validation? It is the same question. People are not alike and it isn't to always stand out. It is an interest and a way they feel in their life and yes, they should be left alone and not harrassed.

There is a double standard that goes on these days. It is blatant and for that reason it is why some are celebrating "Wear a Big Pentacle Day." Its on September 22 · 1:30am - 11:30pm. If you want to know why, this is why some complain. They aren't trying to stand out because they are worn. Here is a link if you are interested. That's all I have to say about this topic.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/event.php?eid=110031952376384&ref=mf

My policy on this is: the more flamboyant they are, the more they need to be ignored.

it isn't necessarily that deep for a lot of people
for most people "standing out and not caring what other people think" has been declared in their mind as a desirable trait, so it's one that they proclaim because to them it's something that's necessary in order to be liked. So they're going to pretend that it's them, even though it's not, and even if there's nothing good about what individuality they have.

Lord Z, Nail on the head! Cinnamon your angle is in the right direction. I used Abby as an example because her attire is her persona , but after her person, rather then putting the cart before the horse.

Personally the what I received as goth (83'-90') was much more custom then costume as it has become.

Mainstream induction may have watered down goth, which is why perhaps Steam Punk spun off the branch.


Socially desperate people assume that just because they adopt a minority group (sub culture)that they will A: be accepted by all affiliated with that group.

and B: that anyone affiliated will take up their causes (weather petty and personal or other wise).

a remarkable Example of doing, or being something for the wrong reasons. I am seeing reasoning here though, thanks so far, I know the question is a bit confusing, but I am trying to avoid some default posts.

What's great today that people can express themselves more than any other era.

''Don't judge a book by its cover'' but looks are the first thing that attract you.

There are people who whatever they dress will attract attention, whether it's because they're pretty or seen as 'weird', funny, or because of their attitude, some, somehow seem to get unnoticed.

What's really a Goth, what's really a punk? Is it just looks and tastes in music or it has to do with attitude as well?

Since looks are the first to get attention, maybe they think that wearing black is the first step. I see this as no different as when someone wants to impress guys/girls with their looks in order to be liked, same technique, different reason, they all concentrate on the look first, and I wonder who never did this.

If a girl dresses in baggy pants she's stereotyped as a tomboy while one who wears a dress as feminine, but would that be true?

I've met people who just because they listened to a rock song suddenly they started to wear all black, but usually they're teens, they'll realize it if it's just a phase. They might feel disappointed and move on to their own path or look for another sub culture.

I can relate to this. When I was a mid teen I dressed in colors and socially acceptable and hardly got noticed, when dressed in punk and Goth clothes I got noticed and at the same time bullied. My only fault? Being a teen, finding myself and experimenting with looks, therefore I must have been a poser or a bad wanna be rebel, unrespectful kid *rolls eyes*

Why did I choose to stand out?

Because I always felt that I don't need to follow fashion, following fashion was a stressful chore so I abandoned that idea and created my style, even though it was a mixture of punk and goth, therefore seen already, but now I can say I have my own, and I feel content with it.

However I know that when people see me, all they're going to see is the black clothing, or the blue jeans and gym shoes. What can I do? It's not something I can control, unless I have the chance to speak my mind and get judged from there, and even there I could get misjudged; different people, different perceptions.

Have met people of different sub cultures and left all. Some are snobbish; some have ideals that I don't agree with. Example, I met people who don't find it weird that they wear all black and different religious symbols, but they thought I'm weird with my make-up and animal shape bag.

Thought that I could fit in a sub culture but I didn't, so I just hang out with people I just agree with or are going to the same places with.

deathnitegrl,

Thank you for summarizing that so well.

Social adjustment allows for experimentation, and expression. No one insist we all be drab, or GQ for that matter.

GQ, and Preps, get razzed by other subcultures as well.

Likely because their is an "Us vs Them" element inherent to subcultures. To over come this ambassadorships need to be arranged, those who persist with feuding begin to stand out for the plastic gratuitous affiliation they hold.

Yet if one Dresses "Out" even by fringe standards, they should expect more clashes then kudos.

not everyone is made to stand out. but for those who do, I guess you just do it because you Can

it strikes me as funny when you have people that get the tats on their face or neck, and lots of metal in their face, then they complain when they cant get a professional job.

sure, people should be judged for what they can do rather than how they look, but its not reality.

id rather be covert till i want to change my clothes.
~W~

Stand out or the strive for individuality. We as society teaches us to strive to be better in work sports what ever. So in essence society deems we be out ward to be better than others to shine in work or life. Movies only give the appearance of a fabled character not true people in society. And some of the norm do bash because of fads race religion or whatever strikes their fancy. Stand out to be persecuted or stay low and follow society in the shadows.

That element Cadre is not the whole. The ranks of every sub culture, have such individuals. They justify their behavior with sparse examples of minority groups demonizing their group.

Example:

a group of Goths are road tripping through a rural population area, on the way to a music fest.

while in town they encounter a local persons, untucked, disheveled hair, and all.. basically Grunge*. So they are in essence the misfits of their area.

among them (the Grunge) is an individual who fancies himself the Grungest.. such an encounter threatens his assumed status..

he feeds on stereotype.. "They all think we are Hicks.

Hopefully such an encounter does not escalate.. but I hope i demonstrate my point.


Eventually we are all whittled down to our individual personality..

and a mud bog personality, is mud bogged personality whether it is dressed in Latax webbing with black poka dot pink tie.. or pressed kakie and Gaps finest.

is it not essential, if one expects people to quote "Get over it, I am different!" for them to get over themselves first?


Has not society become jaded by extreme appearances?

Again Lord Zombie pretty much wraps this whole thread up.

How many faces must a person wave their flag in? Are they that narrow, and shallow, to expect such 2 dimensional responses, Embrace me (For being "So BOLD with MY Expression"), or be a HaTTA Hate,"AS If you know me."

well i think that if you want to make a fashion statement about your personality thats fine, i don't at least not until i lose weight that way i will look good, so right now while i may inwardly consider my self dark or goth, I don't wear clothes that give anyone a hint about my inner nature

Because I don't care what ppl think. I am a self made person.

So Tsunm,

In using the cliche, "I don't care what people think, I am a self made person.."

Why bother expressing that?

Please explore the topic. I think you are misunderstanding what is being assessed.

LW,

In a lesser but still significant manner, individuals that get into the Mod scene (for the wrong reasons, and without proper intent) and whine about people gazing is all too telling of their agenda.

It's our duty to perform and stand out. Without ambition we'd all be hanging from ropes of mediocrity. That would make life pretty boring, wouldn't it?

For me, at least, I continue to find it so incredibly ironic that those who seek to stand out do so in the most superficial and meangingless of ways rather than in the ways that truly count.

Why is it we feel we "stand out" most and best by how we appear on the outside instead of developing and excelling in who we actually are... on the inside?

Any idiot can pierce his/her skin and buy wacked-out clothing or sport the latest radical hairstyle. This says nothing at all about the person on the inside... and to my view. So why go to such lengths to buy (literally and figuratively) that outward persona rather than truly and thoughtfully taking the time and effort to develop the person within?

You create who you are through the values you develop and the actions you take in support of same... you don't buy it and you can't buy it.

When I see someone who has gone to such lengths -- and money -- to stand out in a crowd... the only bold statement they make to all around them is that they haven't yet learned to develop who and what they truly are and, thus, are desperately attempting to overcompensate for this by trying to project an outer image they hope will distract others from noticing the inner void within. Of course, what that same inner void keeps them from realizing is that the extreme outer appearance is what best evidences to all around them that same inner deficiency!

If one truly wishes to make a statement and stand out in a crowd... do so by your actions and the values such actions represent. That is what declares volumes to any and all around you as to who and what you truly are. Actions speak infinitely louder than words... or outward appearances.

Those who get that simple basic fact will begin to more quickly come into their own and start to be who and what they truly are. Those who do not ... have some pretty tough trials to endure until that simple lesson is finally learned.

The point to all of this is... take the time to invest in your self instead of your wardrobe, hairstyle, etc. The dividends of the former last a lifetime. Those from the latter last only until the fads change and you go from looking "kewl" to looking absolutely ridiculous.


- Upir'

Those who wish to fight the norm make strives to stand out. But many sit back and blend in. people with money or different people who wish to blend in with society stay low key. Dabbler you are right no matter the sub culture or trends people have others that they seem to bash. But I have seen society looks for the out of norm crowd and not just the in crowd.

Soccirty in it's own perverse way deems individuality and sees all others as a threat or as a goal to achieve higher. Our thoughts is mo one is better in dress looks or trends but we only look at what we would do and they should act the same and think the sane.

Also, the other side of the coin: Those who are quick to exclaim, "I do not judge others!" are usually the first to do the judging.

i kind of get the vibe that fashion was just a way to occupy ourselves. Think a bit: in a more medieval sense, who was it that could even afford food, let alone more than one outfit?

Also, one ant is just like another ant
and that's totally fine because their societies are exponentially more efficient than ours.
i get the impression that when our day is filled with trying to survive, none of this has any place in our minds.
Anyone here any gone three days without eating involuntarily?
At the end of the third day, did you want to go pick out a new scarf or just scarf something down?
Also, by that point, when everyone is interested solely in survival, you'll take help from anyone who can make that process either possible, just plain easier or more promising, regardless of what they look like. You might be even be scared of them, but if you cant survive without them by god you're going to deal with it. it doesnt matter if the bit of leather their loin cloth is is bright pink with rainbow suspenders. Which are essential when you're wearing a loincloth.
At most you just want them to be nice and hygienic.

I have to disagree with that statement a little (although, I do understand what is being stated). Simply because, I believe it can be a matter of principle. By this I mean:

If I were wandering around, lost in a desert, with no water for a week. I would not be taking a glass of water offered by a known child molester.

Granted, I would not care what the person was wearing or what style but, I certainly wouldn't be taking help simply because help was offered.


Thus, I have to agree with Upir's earlier statement that, it's what's on the inside of a person that really matters.

That's a matter of morality based from a criminal act, not fashion or social class.
But how would you know in the first place? i feel like it's something people try to hide, and most deserts dont require them to notify anyone.

That's why I stated, "a known child molester."


I also stated,
"Granted, I would not care what the person was wearing or what style but, I certainly wouldn't be taking help simply because help was offered."


But also, I have gone more than three days without eating (involuntarily) and was concerned about how I dressed.

I have also, refused offered help simply by the appearance of a person. Even though, the offered help would possibly have made things easier.

Again, I believe this is a matter of principle.

Going off of Lordwolf's statement:

tats and piercings are things that express someone.
It is not their fault that society judges them by appearance.
But taking such a measure is that person's way of saying "Fuck the world. I'm going to do what I want, when I want. If you don't like it, tough. But please give me a job! Please don't judge me!"

Sometimes statements like this have the opposite effect of what the person wanted.

For example, one of my friends in school, Geoff.
He dresses in all black, hair in the face, always depressive... and naturally he is a big guy.
He says he dresses like that because he doesn't want attention. But in reality, he sticks out like a sore thumb.

Very true you did say that. i'll have to give you that one.

But what logical reason is there in not accepting something you need when said need is offered freely?

And i wont pretend to know intimate details about your sanity, but i should think regular people would be more concerned with survival than fashion, probably going out in whatever they were wearing so long as it was socially acceptable. I can understand the thought "hold on let me throw on some jeans" but the person isn't going to spend the next two hours doing their hair and makeup, and if they do, this person is not normal in the sense of base human instinct.

"But what logical reason is there in not accepting something you need when said need is offered freely?"

Well, to answer this question: There's an old saying that I believe to my very core, "You have to stand for something or you'll fall for anything." Sometimes (not every time) you have to refuse to accept what is freely offered (even though it might help you).

Many people feel that you should be indebted to them because they helped you in your time of need. It all depends on who you would like to owe.

And maybe, I don't want to be indebted to someone who wears a mo-hawk. (This is just an example, I have nothing against mo-hawks LOL) Does this make me a bad person? Is it not my choice? Who are you to judge me for who I want to accept help from?



"And i wont pretend to know intimate details about your sanity, but i should think regular people would be more concerned with survival than fashion, probably going out in whatever they were wearing so long as it was socially acceptable. I can understand the thought "hold on let me throw on some jeans" but the person isn't going to spend the next two hours doing their hair and makeup, and if they do, this person is not normal in the sense of base human instinct."

Hmmm. Perhaps, the person is going to a job interview hoping to land a job so their family can eat.

And maybe, they do care about how they appear because it is a matter of survival.

Philosophy and logic clash all the time, though, especially in that instance. Who cares if they think you're indebted to them, there was no bargain made.


And i thought we were talking about an instance where a person had not eaten in three days, and then someone was going to go take them to get some food.
Yeah if they're going to an interview they'll want to spiffy up, but it's not really what i was saying.

Thank you Upir.

Still I am seeing post that equate to a puffed out chest, as if to
defy (through preferred fashion) all others.

The same people saying, "Don't judge me!" Are likely afraid of indifference by the general population. We (general population) get it you want to appear as you choose..) what next, where are you going from there?

"Philosophy and logic clash all the time, though, especially in that instance. Who cares if they think you're indebted to them, there was no bargain made."

I understand where you are coming from but, most people would feel indebted to someone, who helped them but, didn't have to. It is usually an unspoken bargain called human decency.


"And i thought we were talking about an instance where a person had not eaten in three days, and then someone was going to go take them to get some food."

Again, it all depends on who you would like to be or feel indebted to.

I have gone days without eating because of being broke and I can give you a LONG list of people I wouldn't accept help from even if it meant starving to death.

A potential topic to explore, altruism, and alignment.

Relative to the topic, there are people who feel it is obligatory for anyone they determine to be affiliated with their adopted subculture to side with them when they feel they are being persecuted by others not affiliated with the subculture they adopted.

But if someone you liked and would accept help from offered you some article of clothing you found fashionable or some kind of food that you enjoy, which one would you take?
Assuming you can't sell the clothing item.
And if you took the fashionable clothing, which doesnt necessarily include proper business-wear, and definitely doesnt for the majority of people, why?

A tangent perhaps best suited in form of another thread.

Though out of curiosity, I would invite a post summarizing the direction, point of conclusion to your tangent.

In that case, I would probably take the food.

But, friends can become enemies quickly in such cases.

I apologize Dab.

In any case, people who have tried to stand out simply because of fashion, usually fade. There has to be some substance to the inner person.

Lady Gaga making a statement by wearing meat clothes just makes me want to ignore her. Not that I'm against what was her point but, what about the meat that was wasted to make what she wore?

Where was PETA then?

It's all hypocrisy.

"I'll stand up for gay rights by wearing the flesh of animals but, I am against wearing the fur of animals because, those poor animals were abused."

That is a perfect example of what our society has deemed to be acceptable.

For that I say shame shame shame.

Cracked.com produced an article called "Why it's time to stop paying attention to lady Gaga"

http://www.cracked.com/blog/why-its-time-to-stop-paying-attention-to-lady-gaga/

In which they point out that Lady Gaga's style is exactly One part madonna and one part marilyn manson

i think she's a perfect example for this thread based off of that XD

As much as I gag saying it Lady Gaga has talent, though her theme is as mentioned.

The statement LZ makes,
"Such individuals fade.." is correct, yet the do so with adverse
affect on the subcultures actual adherents, as flamboyant radicals are often most seen* read spotlighted* by mainstream bigots.

They are also the element that is labeling anyone in mainstream bigots, simply because they are not embraced on the base of their "bold statement", and all the fringe ideals they Parade about in redundant script.


So I am not "bagging" on individuals experimenting with various sub cultures, as a matter of fact such insecure individuals roast trend seekers to elevate their waning esteem.

I don't dismiss elitist though, and every subculture has their share of elitist (thankfully they fly out of general traffic).

Antisocial is not an attribute that should be celebrated.

Reverse Bigotry is just as transparent as bigotry.

Met a person, before you plaster your personal politics in their face, and you may find, that although people may be offset by your appearance, they are more inclined to hear about you .. in general.

I agree
Lady Gaga is an interesting person, but she is a fashion icon. Just like everyone else, some love her. Some can't stand her.

I say as long as you are happy with the way you look, that's all that matters at the end of the day.
I am figurely goth, but I always- Always wear jeans. I feel more confident with a low-cut tee on. I usually wear my black converse with straightened black hair.
That's my style. I'm not after attention, just to be comfortable in a way that I am very outgoing and like to stand out.
This doesn't mean I'm necessairly after attention, just that I like my style and that particular style happens to be different from what most people around me are wearing.

And who ever got the power to decide what's normal and what isn't, anyways?

All about "How you feel at the end of the day."

Very telling, and completely evident in today " fringe cultures'. Thanks for anchoring the topic so well, in your candor.

I don't know about fashion sense but usually, if it fits and I like it, I'll wear it. It really makes no difference to me what name is on the tag or even if it's in "style."

The only person I want to "fit in" with, is myself.

I will never be seen wearing a tie. LOL

Very well said, lol...
Ill admit it, I have worn ties before!

Thank you, Dabbler

o.k well after reading the many valid points relating to this thread i must say i choose to stand fashion wise for 2 reasons

1. i dress for comfort because i am a bigger person.
2. because i am comfortable in the way i look and it does not bother me if people look at me oddly.

Lady GaGa is proof that if ur confident and fucking nuts
it'll catch on.... Michael Jackson did the same thing. LMAO!!

We can include Madonna in the same file.

So Gaga is an example of how to get over the "Raised Bar".

Britney took a tragic landing when she tried to Leap Madonnas
Set Bar for "Glam Scandal "

So my question becomes, who set the bar that Lindsey is trying to get over?

Honestly, I think all of the above mentioned "stars" need or needed to get over themselves. Also, society needs to concentrate on much bigger and more troubling issues.

They only serve to cause conflict where ever they go or have gone and they need to be forgotten.

As far as the topic and how they dress and why, who cares.


Dab, hats off to you on the Lohan question. She's just another Hollywood idiot desperate for attention. Such people should be ignored (as was my original point).

Unfortunately, society seems to love to feed the cravings of such lunatics.

Or perhaps she is the rare actress who wants the product of her talent, without the trappings.

Unfortunately the harm that cannot be overlooked is that such Social Provocateurs' feed the tensions between sub cultures, and main stream culture , so that people who are actually comfortable with, or indifferent to such matters will be provoked, and once social provocateurs draw fire they duck back into the ranks of moderate, well adjusted sub culture members. So sub cultures would benefit from investigating all project claims of persecution in their ranks. Jerks are jerks, regardless of their ideals, or beliefs. Shielding jerkness with such ideals and beliefs is getting to be old hat.

To me appearance is your essence, your soul...

Those that are not too social blend in

Those that laugh the loudest wear head turning garbs

Those that pretend where anything but what they are

And those that keep secrets look like anyone else

But thats just me...

So Dab, it could be honestly stated that these people just like to stir the pot to gain fame and fortune, when all the while they are truly just normal everyday folk who don't truly stand for anything?

Also, may I point out that their "talent" is probably more mediocre than their clothes.


Taint, interesting observation.

The adopted image is nothing to such individual, it serves as a vehicle to their agenda, and can be shed rather easily.

Note I am not alluding to trendsters, or those who expiriment with fades.

To a degree such Social Provocateurs mock the very idealist, faith, or subculture they merge with, by declaring to be affiliated, yet only out to serve their ego, and shield their insecurity.

When they are called out on there behavior they feign being a victim of bigotry, their false cry of intolerance.

It can almost be said that they don't want to be accepted, any acceptance is met by them pressing the envelop, or uping the ante of bizarre until someone says it is ridiculous.

Lohan has talent?! As for who set her "bar"... I'm thinkin' it's far more analogous to instead ask who dug the ditch. ;)

Sadly there was a crop of processed stars, Disney as DTV signed on their gentrified performers as kids, in the process they gave the poor darlings the impression they actually made it on their own merit.


On topic, a conversation helped me summarize the question, if not stand out, then what?

Represent, represent your subculture, be more concerned about your personality, then your group identity, and the later will take care of it's self.. people may not care for goth-ish persons, but you may be the one goth-ish person that becomes the exception.

SO people are walking contradictions. They do one thing in public and in the confidence of their homes they do something else. An claim they do it because they can. When will people realise ninty percent of the time they can do what they want because they go un noticed anyway?

i'm with DS on that part.

As for Lohan i think she's following in the shadows of Hillary Duff, the Olsens, and Paris Hilton

i am me ,i do not want or need to be what any one thinks or says i should be,for being me is just fine, i dont always look at life as some do but i am true to my self and the few friends i have ,so i feel i will go far in life .and if more just sat back and looked at things they would see ,that its not about what you want or need or who you know ,its about who you are that others see.

Yes, DS, we can "do what we want" and we might well go unnoticed. However, as Jeff Goldblum's character stated so wisely in "Jurassic Park"... "Just because we can do a thing, it does not necessarily follow that we should do that thing."

This is especially true of those actions taken, clothes worn, mannerisms and behaviors adopted and values espoused ... primarily for the sole purpose of seeking public attention. In other words, for the vainglorious pursit of "standing out."


- Upir'

People like to be the "first" at doing something.
Everyone does it... it's normal for people to want to be different... even people who are very common try to say "I'm an individual" when they are just like a million other people in their city... some people are more dramatic than others... but everyone wants to stand out to SOMEONE....whether its the person they love or are interested in.... or the world

Having read through many of the posts on here and considered everyone's viewpoints on the subject, it would seem the topic has gone astray from the original post to that of peoples individual views as to why they dress the way they do, with this in mind i feel i must ask, when going out, to lets say a private function or celebration, would you alter your normal wardrobe from something you would normally wear which is comfortable, and if so why? For what reason?

If you go into a persons closet, and find one "Goth" outfit, and that person would have people think they are a seasoned goth, then it becomes obvious that they are perpetrating a subculture.

In a lesser form it is benign behavior, in a greater form it is a sign of something potentially serious to existing social circles.

In response to your question, going out is the appropriate venue for flare attire, and costume, and custom alike are bound to be present. In such a setting a Social Provocateur risk being exposed as something other then sincere in their affiliation with the subculture, likely acting out in a manner unacceptable to the group.


Nothing wrong with representing a subculture. Nothing wrong with adopting trends. The intent of certain individuals is what is at the core of this thread.

it is as if they thrive off discontent between society, and sub cultures. it happens with Race, Religion, and Politics.

CEJ, I mainly wear t-shirts and jeans, the function doesn't matter to me. I am not too selective in attire when I leave the house as I don't go out much and I don't usually talk to anyone anyway.

Do I care what people think of the way I look?

A better question is: Why would I?

GOC you accientally stumbled upon Lady GAGA from Essex,,, she was a talented free agent, who met some friends of mine, those who beat computers at Chess in London and know the big pluggers in L.A..
They propel her...she is A Dutchy, A Witch biker -Cecile~ who worked for a millionare from Uterecht known as Queen Dutchy.Hugs hon...he heee...she wanted me in a band till she knew I was...."O laughs... they freaked out!"
P.s I have her picture!

lohan is just a lost girl trying to find her self anda placed to be wanted and i think people should leave her alone if she didnt ask for your help dont try to help her what if shes acting the way she wants to act its her life so let her live it

(Bows in utmost reverence)
I think what ever may be the fashion or behavior, should not harming self or others and for the society must accept their presence and welcome them if they are good peepal with good behavior. This will be the exact period of ancient time where different peepal from different fashion and different customs residing together in harmony.

Well stated Venom,

Tolerance to fashion is a given, as long as they harm none.

Which is why I am critical of those who adopt a fashion, and then
berate "squares".

The same individuals who twist their neck to see how others unlike them (in fringe fashion) look at them.

I stand out not because I push fashion forward because because I am partially to clothes that can before the 50's. And I am ok with that. Modesty and Manners are to be observed!

A fine example of representing a fashion. Thank you for posting.

The factor at the core of this thread are those who seek by varying degree to make others uncomfortable by their appearance.

Those who are desperate for others to revere them, rather then common tolerance. as if they should be accepted as extraordinary simply because they Dress a certain way, and claim hold fringe beliefs.

Who cares..

Bravo they found what works for them..