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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1321751/After-New-York-UFO-sightings-explain-mirror-image-El-Paso.html

Following the recent post that 'You were wrong?' about Alien evidence being credible.
It seems our little Green Friends agree with me that it is high time mankind grew up? Or perhaps this is a clever distraction?

While I have seen unidentified lights in the sky during the day...that did not move or float anywhere...the fiasco in New York reminded me of a scene from Ghost Busters. ;)

As for El Paso's recent experience, there was also one two years ago in my old hometown, Stephenville, TX, that the military chased down but could not catch up with...hrrmmm...top-secret military experiment or aliens..or both? Who knows...:P

http://www.stephenvillelights.com/

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4142232&page=1

stephenville? heh...small world.

i really do think that enough is explained by natural phenomena and military experiments to explain 99% of what is seen in the sky.

look at an f117 at certain angles and it really really does look alien.

that said...there is still that 1% left...those may just be someone with a mental issue...or...maybe there is something more going on.

i do hope they exist tho...it would be interesting.
~W~

Then Why do they keep conducting military experiments over towns?
The Chinese had a BUZZ two months ago they said was an airplane in trouble; The photo's were again rather odd.

I think this is the disinformation service"the factory" in High Gear trying to smudge the Testimony of the servicemen two weeks ago.

I am very clear on the facts; Governments declared they had never gagged anyone and now we know THEY LIED.
Question is WHY erm like you don't know.... / /
Chortles ( ; ) ==~~~~

actually im from mclennan co, but i used to get over there alot.


as i pilot, i can look at a map, and know that its hard to totally avoid towns, even it places like nevada.

also some of the weird movements can be because they see a plane head on at a far distance, then when the plane turns, it looks like it is standing still, then suddenly just shoots away.

and i did say that not all things are accounted for. i just prefer to err on the side of what we know rather than what we hope we find.
~W~

I'd like to think we aren't the only living things in this vast universe. But I fear if we aren't then we are probably the youngest and therefore the most primitive ones out of the group.

it is hard for me to stomache the fact that we are the only race capible of thinking and being aware. the galaxy is far to vast for there to be just the human race. call me a freak a quack what ever i really dont care. but i will say that many of the sightings over the many parts of the world can be accounted for by the government and what not doing tests on new planes and what not. but then we have to look at the many things that are seen in the night and day time skies that we just cant explain away as mere trival nonsense. but then again we also have to take in to account of the people who see such things are they truly all together there in there minds or are they well for lack of a better word kinda of stupid about things in the world.

My firmest belief if that if there is intelligent life, their smart enough to stay away from us (and yeah that is a quote off the legend Grissom off CSI)

But I wholeheartedly agree.

I think that if any species did master space flight and such, us as humans should be about as interesting as counting sand in the Sahara.

I mean we are still children in every sense of the word.

So explaining strange lights in the sky?

We study dangerous animals as well, to see how they can pose future harm to us.

There has got to be something else. I mean we have humans, animals, plants, why couldn't there be life elsewhere? And who is to say they are shaped like humans at all? Maybe the life on other planets is nothing more than Microscopic particles that are able to think and feel and react like humans here on earth.

I don't know. I'm tired.

Namaah: "...And who is to say they are shaped like humans at all? Maybe the life on other planets is nothing more than Microscopic particles that are able to think and feel and react like humans here on earth..."

well said. I always wonder why we imagine life from other planets to be anything we would recognise. Surely it is possible that we would never comprehend what the alien lifeforms were even if they appeared to us. Im all for alien lifeforms being matter of an entirely new concept. If that were to be the case, perhaps we would never know.

Perhaps they mess with us and laugh at our efforts to find out? Perhaps they are here with us all the time? Perhaps.

UFOs either come from America or the Fourth Reich in Antarctica.

What is the "Fourth Reich"?

As so very well evidenced in such wonderful books as "Fingerprints of the Gods" by Graham Hancock, it seems highly probable that we have been visited anciently by intelligent humanoids from other worlds or dimensions or from other times who taught our ancient ancestors and jumpstarted civilization on this planet.

Earth's primary founding civilizations all contain the same closely parallel stories of humanoid visitors, almost all of whom were described as being Caucasian in appearance with white or yellow hair and with light-colored or blue eyes who came down from the skies and taught the proto-Sumerians, proto-Egyptians, proto-Native Americans, etc., such arts and sciences as were foundational to establishing a civilization.

All such civilizations began in or about 6,000 - 4,000 BCE in both the Fertile Crescent area and Egypt, and as discovered only since the 1990s, also in Caral, Peru. In all such highly disparate founding civilizations, large pyramidic structures have been found that were central to their respective religious and secular governments and culture. In China, also, equally enormous pyramids have been found in even greater numbers dating anywhere from 1,500 to 500 BCE (we still know little about these more-recently discovered and officially acknowledged edifices... nor do we yet know much about their origins).

In Sumer, these Caucasian-looking visitors were called the Anunnaki (Sons of the Heavenly Prince), in Egypt they were the Shemsu Hor (Sons or Family of Horus), in the Palestine area (home to the oldest city yet found, Jericho, that is dated to 8,000 BCE) they were called the "Bene Ha Elohim" (Sons of the Gods; Genesis 6:1-4). Throughout Central and South America as well as the Pacific Islands, similar legends exist in all such of ancient visitors arriving and teaching them the same or very similar subjects necessary to basic Human civilization. And... again... we see in their wake... pyramids.

Yes... I guess this could all be coincidence. But, really, how likely is that?


- Upir'

Upir: "..Earth's primary founding civilizations all contain the same closely parallel stories of humanoid visitors, almost all of whom were described as being Caucasian in appearance with white or yellow hair and with light-colored or blue eyes who came down from the skies and taught the proto-Sumerians, proto-Egyptians, proto-Native Americans, etc., such arts and sciences as were foundational to establishing a civilization..."

Ok. I have read about this. I have always wondered though if these 'humanoids' were simply folk who travelled about imparting their knowledge to the uncivilised masses...and why not? If there were a race that were already capable of teaching others about more civilised ways of doing things, then it stands to reason that some of their technologies , the huge structures, pyramids etc, and their wisdom would be learnt and therefore kept by those that they visited...Im a little reluctant to accept that it has to be visitors from other planets though. I do accept that many of these claim that these visitors came from 'the skies' but there could still be a logical explanation for that, one is that the folk they visited were so in awe of them they assigned them 'godlike' status?

Pagan, I greatly enjoyed your reply and the skeptical intelligence evidence in such. :)

You're correct that, perhaps, it is possible that such persons were indigenous to this planet and simply traveled around imparting such knowledge. The question, of course, then becomes... if so, where did they get such knowledge given that prior to their appearance such knowledge would seem not to have existed on this planet, thus requiring their appearance and dissemination of all such?

Additionally, recent DNA research into the genetic origin of blue eyes in Human beings reveals that while green and brown eyes have existed on this planet since the advent of Homo Sapiens more than 300,000 years ago, yet blue eyes have not and only began on this planet in the relatively recent past!

According to Dr. Hans Eiberg of Copenhagen University, the trait of blue eyes appeared suddenly out of nowhere approxiamtely 10,000 years ago (8,000 BCE) somewhere near the northwestern shores of the Black Sea. And while his only explanation for this is a sudden appearance of blue eyes at this particular geographic location and time is due to an inexplicable genetic mutation, yet in personal email correspondence with me (during which he was kind enough to send me the entire research study in .pdf form), Dr. Eiberg admitted that the only other explanation for blue eyes on this planet would have been should a small group of blue-eyes visitors suddenly appeared in the area and begun to mate prolifically with the local populations. And, of course, this latter explantion is exactly what we find in the accounts of such visitors in Palestine, Sumer and Egypt.

As pointed out by others in criticism of Dr. Eiberg's explanation, had such a mutation occurred in a single individual as he theorized, the likelihood that such a recessive trait would have survived beyond a few generations is extremely unlikely given that there would have been no other blue-eyed persons to mate with so as to attempt to perpetuate the mutation. As we all know, dark eyes are genetically dominant while blue eyes are not.

Regardless... the point here is that these visitors were reportedly blue-eyed, as depicted in the artwork of the Sumerians and the Egyptians in addition to their descriptions as written down. And, in perfect evidence of this, Dr. Eiberg has concisely traced the genetic record of blue eyes prior to this same explosion of civilization attributed to the appearance of such blue-eyed individuals who then began to marry wives and have children by them.


- Upir'

Upir: yes, now that does makes sense to me. I accept that the 'blue eyes' gene is less dominant than brown so I can believe that it would mean that these persons must have originated elsewhere...hmmm...I still wonder though, if that simply means that the intelligent race were reluctant/unable to appear for whatever reason, until they did? Sometimes we dig deeply for answers when all the time, the truth is a simple one. Of course, that could also mean that they were from another world...

I will need to read more on this before I can reason an intelligent argument, but thanks, I am thinking on it :)

Oh come on guys it's not hard. We keep saying the old Vamps are blue eyed(albeit a bit luminescent). Funny thing is .......
Wot again!
Oh sh*t, just been told to shut the F*ck up.
Rewind- Aliens never came here, they never influenced or helped man, they never did it with us and they definitely only travel in our plane of existence. I have a few Russian friends who will sing from the same song-sheet.
(with a terrible accent) He Hee.

Once again, AlieNation hath spoken! Apparently he considers that all that is needed to completely settle any discussion is for him to opine on the topic at hand, fling around a few disparaging remarks spiced up with a few asterisked swear words and... the subject is closed, the issue entirely concluded.

'Twould be nice were he to actually consider including with his acerbic remarks at least some evidenciary information in support of his position, as have the rest of us.


- Upir'

Just to touch on that controversial topic about eye colour.Upir stated much,and as usual,spot on info.but to add a bit more for those who still insist that red or black eyes are the telltale trait and evidence of a vampire or alien.As we all know,eye colour can range from brown, which is the most common,to gray which is considered the least common.By gray,I do not refer to blue eyes that have a grayish cast to them in certain light or conditions,which is not that rare in blue eyed people. But true gray is extremely rare. There are other rare genetic incidences that do in fact produce the really unusual eye colours of black, red, and violet.(My daughter has true violet eyes) Eye color is an inherited trait influenced by more than one gene and there are three main elements within the iris that contribute to an eye's colour... (1)melanin content of the iris pigment (epithelium). (2)melanin content within the iris stroma and (3) cellular density of the iris stroma. In eyes of all colors, the iris pigment epithelium contains black pigment called Eumelanin. Colour variations among different irises are normally attributed to the melanin content within the iris stroma. The eyes of albino may appear red and sometimes milky blue under certain lighting conditions.This is due to very low quantities of melanin. True red eyes (without certain lighting conditions) exist in albinos of course,but they also exsist in a few non-albinistic populations.True red eyes are really rare.I would say as rare ,if not more so than gray.From what
I understand there are about 20 or 30 people in the world with true red eyes ,which as I stated above is not caused by vampirism or alienism,but caused by the complete lack of pigment.So really, to use red or black eye colour as a basis of fact for Vamps or aliens is ..well,its not really good evidence to consider.Now if a person has odd shape pupils ,like a lizard or something,I just might ponder where their ancestors came from.

Oceanne, now that's what I,m talking about no bullshit.Apologies to Upir but I get frustrated and it comes out as talking smack, mostly just me winding up the fish that choose to bite.
On the issue of Alien eye colour, my brother is grey my sister green/blue my father brown my mother green. I am mixed green/brown but I have seen Hazel eyes do some wierd stuff. In truth I have seen Hazel go to blue/tiny flecks of black and then glow during sex(Upir~do you know of this?)
I was once asked /interviewed for a day or so in N.Z. about my linage so this is very interesting to me.

Odd-shaped pupillary openings in the iris are usually due to trauma or surgery. As for albinism, not all albinos eyes are "red"...perhaps true in animals, but not always in humans, most often they are light blue and all human albinos have very low vision and nystagmus or "dancing eyes." You will not find an albino that can see well enough to drive or operate machinery of any kind legally.

Simply enough, if someone claims they are a vampire because they have "red" eyes from ablinism, assuming they're not visually handicapped, they are full of it.

My eyes appear gray most of the time and sometimes blue, (depending upon the mood and the influx or "rush of blood" to the iris tissues) but under a slit-lamp microscope the striations of the iris muscles are "white." A dilated fundus examination would reveal a very "blonde" fundus (retina) and I exhibit less pigment in the back of my eye as well as in my iris tissue than an albino...yet my eyes are not "red."

What's my reference for knowing this?...Chalk it up to 15+ years of experience as a Certified Tech in Ophthalmology and Optometry.

One of the recent sightings was 10/17/10 in Richmond Va, which is near to where I live. The thing that interested me about it was that around that time I was at work when I heard a loud Boom. Sounded like a bomb went off. My jobsite is a good distance from the nearest bases (Camp Perry aka local version of Area-51, Yorktown Naval and Cheatam Annex), so the idea that it was "night traning exercises" doesn't fly with me. The boom sounded like munitions going off. It's possible that they were detanating a bomb underground (for whatever reason). Still the idea that the strange boom in the night along with a UFO sighting back to back? Any connection?

That could have also been a sonic boom .While not permited over the content,they will do so in a state of emergency in attempt to get somewhere fast.There are incidences everyday where our pilots have to address or invesigate things going on that shouldnt be ..Plus,you're near a Naval base..things go on all the time that have nothing to really do with "night exercises" or UFOs.

A common occurrence that is reported U.F.O. is hot air balloon night flights, this is because the charging of the balloon creates a cigar shaped light, and when a small group of balloons are on the horizon it can appear to be one object zipping around.

Well they do not want to go away; this TODAY!
First China/then USA now UK, guessing Asia is next; at least they are not racists.

Today over Rotherham U>K. I think you can see these are No Balloons my friends.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3194707/A-UFO-hovers-over-rooftops-in-Rotherham-Yorkshire.html

Then again the blue-shift and seeing in the dark is also real; taps his nails, erm fingers.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2263881/Cat-boy-stuns-doctors-in-China-after-Nong-Youhui-is-able-to-see-in-pitch-black-with-blue-eyes-that-glow-in-the-dark.html

Well speaking from a scientific view, life on earth is alien, having traveled here as micro organisms millions of years ago. So this be the case, well science has already stated there is life elsewhere. But I prefer not to think that one day they will come harvest us for food and natural resources because we call them funny names and don’t like their big eyes.

And from a religious veiw-god has many worlds of creation, this being the most wicked of them. Hence again another veiw stating life elsewhere.

An, it is one thing to have a disease that might affect ones eyes like the cat boy...But...
And yes,we very well might have been visited by aliens at one point but honestly, Tapedum lucidum ( tapeta or mirror cells) which is what causes a cat's eyes to "glow" or any kindof bioluminesence is not found in human eyes.So Im not sure what youre suggesting .

ok...for all those wondering why eye color changes or pupils look strange or anything else regarding the eyes including "mirror cells"..please check it out on the following, doctor-recommended website. We use it all the time and it is rather informative, so please, check it out folks..:)

http://www.allaboutvision.com/conditions/eye-color.htm

Honestly i'm not sure why this topic exists.
A bunch of people saw lights in the sky and called the police. That's basically all that happened here, and this argument probably belongs as a minor point in an ongoing debate as to whether or not aliens exist, it just isn't strong enough to be THE debate itself.

"Peter Davenport, director of the National UFO Reporting Center in Washington DC said at the time: 'It had the flavour of a cluster of balloons in my opinion'."

That's taken directly from the article AlieNation presented, as well is this.

"But those objects turned out to be nothing other than wayward party balloons from a school in Mount Vernon.

Angela Freeman, headteacher of the Milestone School in Westchester said she was astonished at all the attention her decorations caused: 'It was just a freak thing. Frankly, I'm shocked by it'.

The cluster of balloons were apparently inadvertently launched when a parent bought the balloons in for a celebration at the suburban school.

'The kids had an engagement party for a teacher, and a mother brought four dozen balloons, and she's coming through the door. It is very windy in Mount Vernon. Suddenly, 12 of the balloons let loose,' Freeman explained."

If we shout "aliens" every time we see lights in the sky that are really far away and indiscernible, nobody will take us seriously when we see them for real. You de-legitimatize any point you can make in the future with things like this.

although not as technical as some of you write. Ive still not seen any military or scientific explanation given for the lights in the sky over phoenix...a formation of lights that flew slowly and low enough that people could see reflections on the bottom of the craft, a craft the eye witnesses say had to be about a mile in width, that didnt show on sky harbors radar, that the military had told air traffic controllers they new nothing of...

a ship so big in the air yet made no noise is not technology we have. This was seen by thousands of people, and even got an arizona politician involved with asking the government for an explanation (although she was made fun of)...

'although not as technical as some of you write. Ive still not seen any military or scientific explanation given for the lights in the sky over phoenix.'


See this is how cycles begin..

Anything Science says is rejected by the alien Craft community, it has to be all about their adopted predetermined conclusion, never mind that all the money these self titled "alien craftoligist" make goes to them, and not to actual research. So the Burden is on the Alien Crafty-Ologist, not how I distingish UFOlogist from Alien Buffs, nbecause it is about time the Alien craft olist step, and stop grafting off UFOology.

Cabrion did you look at the link I posted (above) to the Rotherham sighting and its similarity to the Belgium craft tracked by the military and photographed in 1990.

Oceanne I believe eye bio luminescence is caused by energy flowing in reverse along the optic nerve from the back of the brain.Personally I think many of us feel this positive feed back when the brain is Lit up(particularly Vamps) and feel it shooting along nerves and disipating through the extremities such as hands then fingers...such a Rush! ; )
Energy flow can be mastered, some can create sparks, or so I hear.
Alien DNa, possibly?

Actually ,it is caused by tiny plants called dinoflagelagellates GN that by day,about 90% of them obtain their energy from the sunlight.The other,such as we find in lightning bugs etc.. is caused by
four different chemicals.... Luciferin, Luciferase, ATP, and oxygen that are all combined tp produce light.Do you believe that Vampires have this ability ?

GreenKnight/AlieNation
i believe you missed my point.

I'm not going into the pros and cons of whether we have alien visitors since some swear by it and it is known that most countries give out misinformation. They are afraid of panic due to fear and/or religious fanaticism. Certain groups blithely have claimed the generic term "god" to be understood as one particular one because they have taken ownership of that word.

I personally believe there are no religious factors to whether there is or isn't aliens unless someone chooses to make it a religious moment. If I was a visitor far in advance of the cultures I found and knowing the history of how people related to the unknown I am sure they would have gotten worshipped as gods. I know if I was studying a place far from home and I could monitor what is going on there, if it was Earth, I wouldn't land. I have seen an UFO in broad daylight. It was silent and if I hadn't looked up and screamed my brother who was right there wouldn't have seen it.

I can say that my last husband's cousin became a Delta pilot and he didn't believe in UFOs until he saw them and not on just one occasion. Most of these pilots will talk among themselves but they don't report it because just like people here the skeptics make them feel like idiots. Who wants to jeopardize their jobs, be ridiculed or even almost called a liar to their face? It becomes interesting conversation and nothing more.

I guess if anyone knows its this dude, my money's on him being right...

Perhaps they are keeping a watchful eye over the smelly monkeys? The meteor in Russia has some strange parts.

The meteorite’s crash took place a long time ago, in the summer of 1908. An enormous volcanic ball rushed over the sky with terrifying wallop and thunder-like sound. All the citizens were frightened to death and scared to move out of their houses. A flight of a “flamy alien” ended up in an hour in the deserted taiga area. In a matter of seconds an explosive wave spread for 40 kilometers, devastating everything living around it.
Many years later that a Siberian scientist set up an expedition to the place of the meteorite’s crash. They searched carefully through the river banks and found unusual quartz boards. Mr. Lavbin states that such solid stones do not exist on our planet Earth. He told of an experiment that was done on the crystals: scientists tried to put some of the same drawing that were on the stones initially with a sophisticated laser machine.

How surprised they were to realize that the laser (that usually cuts metal objects into pieces) managed to put just some faint stripes, barely visible. The stones, have an entire system of different lines and circles on them. Scientists suppose that the stones used to be a part of the navigational system of a spaceship. All stones united form a map, which they could have used to cruise through the Universe.

In 1908, the UFO is thought to have hit the meteorite that weighed over 1 billion tones. If the meteorite fell down on Earth, all the people would have been dead, extinct. Scientists believe the aliens had interfered and put their lives on the line to make sure there isn't a direct impact with Earth.

((http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/24-03-2008/104631-tunguska_meteorite-0/) make sure you note where you take stuff from. Plagiarism is a bitch)

it seems everything i can find on this is from the same website =/ other than it being mentioned in a blog once
if anyone can find other stuff pls feel free to bring it forward.
Really interesting stuff AN, good find ^_^

The question of other life forms being in the universe aswell as visiting here is something that cannot be denied anymore.

Discovery channel came out with ancient aliens

Alex collier and his multiple reports of contact

David wilcock and his recent evidence

1942 military documents that reveal aliens in the earth

multiple amounts of articles that are released that state over 100 million other planets that can inhabit other lifeforms.

The first three can be found on YouTube

gentlemen and ladies has anyone read michio kakus physics of the impossible? It's a very good book that covers alot of the sci fi ideals and brings them to reality. It's great

Oh it came back on Sunday and they now call it the Dudley "Dorito"...
(I think the factory are in high gear?)
Great story and facts as requested ; )
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1330563/Dudley-Dorito-UFO-spotted-UK-skies-time-3-years.html

I personally think that the universe to too vast to have just one little planet in one tiny solar system to have life. Of course life exists out there in the universe.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/03/arkansas.falling.birds/index.html?hpt=T2

Falling birds and dead fish, bad weather ? The cause of death was hitting something hard and several loud bangs were heard and why are they wearing radiation suits?

"It's completely indescribable how many birds were here. I've never been anything like it," said Melissa Weatherly, a Beebe resident.
Blackbirds do not normally fly at night and it was not immediately clear what caused the odd behavior. Loud noises were reported shortly before the birds began falling, according to the game and fish commission.
"The birds obviously hit something very hard and had hemorrhages," said Rowe.

Com on...

to think that in all the possible habitable planets in the vers...

isn't it just a bit naive to think we are the ONLY sentient beings out there...

not to mention just a bit arrogant...

Glad you agree this today...
Websites devoted to our unconfirmed interstellar neighbours have often posted evidence of abducted sheep, or bizarre mutilations of cattle, pointing the finger directly at extraterrestrials.
A forum member named 'Devil Johnny' berates his fellow forum members for trying to come up with a logical answer, and - worse still - accepting the government's explanation.
He says: 'I'm not saying the alien conspiracy is true, but I'm saying people need to start thinking on their own. You sheep are the reason the Holocaust and every other evil dictatorship happens. You believe anything a man in a suit tells you.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343819/Secret-CIA-government-testing-birds-fish-deaths-Arkansas.html#ixzz1A4VrvGLs

#1. That new site looked about as crediable as the Weekly World News

#2. I was literally just in new york for a while & aliens/floating lights weren't a topic of conversation - unless I was at a rave.

These two factors lead me to believe that ppl in the uk need to figure out what a 'hoax' is & a little program called photoshop - or stop reading tabloids.

Oh & that pretencious genius Stephen Hawking scientifically proved the existance of life on other planets...I think he's a little more crediable than drunk rednecks, tabloids, & doctored photos/videos...any one out there read about that??
this thread reminds me of 'Mysterious Mysteries' from Invader Zim...

Also I believe certain mushroom spors can exist in space (dormant of course). That is actually the running theory for how we got 'shrooms.

There cannot be a definite answer at this point in time, and the best course of action is to accept the possibility that there Might be life elsewhere in the universe, but also accept that if there is, they aren't here, unless everything we know and depend on is lying to us horribly.

Then there is the arrogance that we would be so intresting to another life form that they would dedicate their whole pursuit of travel (Think how advanced it would have to be) to come see us. So who is being arrogant now?

Life .. read bioforms may exist in other systems, why not let that be phenomenal, why exasperate, and fantisticalize everything to the "What if.. no they have to be.." I mean really how taken can people be by hoax after hoax, and all the declassified revelations accounting for previous UFO?

I agree, I think its high time man kind grew up and got over their superiority complex. Regardless of evidence and facts, we can't be the only planet in an infinite Universe with life on it!

But is it not a superiority complex to assume that same race is so desperate to come to this planet?

Is it not unduly assumptive to state that the only possible reason an extraterrestrial species would come to Earth would be one born of desperation?

Ancient accounts from all over the world reported that they were visited by celestial beings who had come to "watch" (observe)... hence their frequently being referred to as "The Watchers" (e.g., Book of Enoch).

I am personally in the camp that such Visitors were in fact terrestrial, though far more advanced then the visited.

So many factors are involved in galactic, or even planetary travel.

Does any one on here actually read real books or scientific journals?
I mean this discussion is like arguing the earth is flat...there's already well thought out and documented scientific information about it.

I know reading real reports isn't nearly as interesting as floating lights, photoshop & accusing public leaders of being part of an invading force - but you might actually learn something from them.

I've read a few... even co-authored a peer-reviewed scientific study published in one of them.

And, I believe... correct me if I'm wrong... that Professor Stephen Hawking might have some experience authoring a few studies, articles and even books of his own that were perhaps just a bit vaguely scientific in nature. ;)

And while he, like me, does not forward any wacked-out ideas of the David Icke ilk (thank heaven!), yet he has personally concluded and publicly stated that in his opinion there is sufficient evidence for him to conclude the probability of life on other planets.

Thus, it is quite possible to follow and even author the content of scientific journals and still opine in favor of the existence of extra-terrestrial life and, therefore, an equally studied opinion of the possibility that such extra-terrestrial intelligence might be aware of us here and, perhaps, have visited us for whatever reason.

Yes... the speed-of-light universal speed limit might seem to us an insurmountable obstacle. Yet, as has been pointed out scientifically and mathematically, were it possible to warp space, one could well achieve relativistic speeds in excess of light speed without violating natural law in normal space. This concept was NOT concocted or invented by Gene Roddenberry, creator of Star Trek. Instead, it was he who borrowed the idea from theoretical physicists. Thus, the theory is based on solid science. Therefore, just because we at our current level of technology cannot yet travel in such a manner does not mean that a more advanced extra-terrestrial species could not have solved this persistent problem and developed the technology to do so.

And, having personally witnessed a "flying saucer" performing in a manner no Earth-made craft has ever been able to perform cannot but sway my opinion that such a technology from an extra-terrestrial source has, in fact, been achieved.

Now... as for world leaders being, in reality, bulbous-headed, grey-skinned and/or reptilian aliens bent on world domination... well, that's just utter Icke nonsense! Well... with the possible exceptions of North Korea's Kim Jong Il and, say, Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. ;)


- Upir'

Oh? Cool..where were you published?

I don't know...my roomba does some strange shyt, so do those think geek toys. To say we can't make a craft that does that stuff & more is short changing a race that compulsively invents ways to destroy itself.

Also flying saucers are quite impractical given their design.

I know 2 people that claim to have had close encounters of the f*cking crazy kind.
One says the aliens talk to him on light waves from the stars
The other claims to have had mental sex w/some sort of space being

Wish I could read what I was replying to while writing this

I will remain in the Advanced Class of terrestrial humans camp. Why as The MonsterYou adore points out short change our own ranks.

Can UFOs possibly be humans from the future? Maybe we achieved these things in the far future. They have time travek And they are here for some mission.

I agree that the idea of advanced Humans either from the future or otherwise as yet unknown on this planet are two additional possibilities... though the theory of time travel seems far less a practical possibility than faster-than-light travel.

(TMYA - The study I co-authored with Drs. Beverly Whipple and Barry Komisaruk was published in the Journal of Sex Education and Therapy [Vol. 23, No. 2; 1998] following the scientific study, itself, that was conducted at Rutgers University. My name is listed second of the three, which as anyone knows who professionally publishes, indicates the ranking of authorship.)


- Upir'

Aliens here on earth...here they are...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/braco-says-he-can-heal-with-his-eyes-12549408&tab=9482931&section=1206833

BRACO is a strange looking fellow from war torn Croatia, he has a thousand mile stare. No doubt from seeing half the people he grew up slaughtered.

This stare is now worth $8 dollars a hit and folks are queuing up to pay. I do love the way they've dressed him up like Jesus its flaming hilarious.

OBTW the weird aliens are the ones watching !

OH dear what a can of worms. Well I believe that life is out there in the universe, what kind I don't know haven't had the chance to build my space ship yet!

As to whether we have alien visitations I can't comment as I am dubious that aliens would come to this far corner of the universe just to check us out. Mind you NASA did send that probe out there with an invitation so who knows.

So is there life out there yes... in what shape or form no idea.

Have aliens visited this planet, maybe once or twice to check us out on their way past to some other destination yes I think so.

Are they aliens on this earth, well I have met some questionable humans so possible.

I think it's crap. Do you know how many weeks in a row over the last 3 years that I spent outside in the field in El Paso? And never once did ANY of us see a UFO or moving lights or anything like it.

Just because we don't see them doesn't mean they don't exist. There are many things that no one can explain on any level.

Braco on the other hand to me seems like a hoax.

I never said that they didn't exist or that I don't believe. I was just stating that the mirror image thing is crap... in my opinion anyway.

In a way I can agree. Unless the aliens have better technology now then they did in the 90's I would say that part I don't believe. But I will not say on weather I believe or not though. Cause as I see it they are things out there that can not be explained or seems like something not from earth. But all living creature human or not has some purpose for being there.

having read much of Von Danikens work.. and seen the film [[narrated by Shatner]] I do believe.

and

at sixteen I saw a UFO

tho as to the clip.. **shakes hand**

am in three minds about that...

People see what they think they see, not thinking outside the box.

http://www2.nbc17.com/news/2011/jan/12/couples-video-catches-possible-meteor-flash-ar-688960/

For instance we all remember the fish and bird deaths in Arkansaw.

Now two weeks later all is forgotten and a "meteor flash" is seen.

Oh really? in the same area ?

Now thats what I call a coincidence.

coincidences, or happenstance fellow?

Anyone who wishes to try and rationalize real world events to "most sightings", need to watch "The day before disclosure."

A little searching and you can find it for free to stream.

Its pretty long and will blow your mind.

Essentially bringing together evidence since the ramp up of sightings etc just before WW2 and the discovery and use of atomic power.

ive seen unexplained lights and ships in the sky ,,,but till i see a lil green man face to face ....i wont belive