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What does anyone know about the Incubi? I'm not really looking for the religious they are the devil sort of thing, but just if anyone has experienced anything or knows alot about them.

An incubus is a demon in male form that lies with sleepers, especially women, in order to have sex with them. Basically, its the male version of a succubus

"In Western demonology , an incubus is believed to be a vampire-like male spirit or demon that disturbs the sleep of women , often subjecting them to nightmares or unwanted sexual intercourse that drains them of life and strength . Incubi (from the Latin incubare, "to lie in" or "to lie upon") were thought to press down on the chests of women and to be particularly fond of seducing/crushing nuns and other women committed to the celibate life . The incubi were thought to be able to father children who would be born as witches or demons or to be hideously deformed .

The female equivalent of the incubus is the succubus, a female demon or spirit who is said to disturb the sleep of man and initiate sexual intercourse with him. This demon is quite similar to other female vampire spirits such as the mara and the mullo . Unlike the incubus , whose attentions are typically horrifying to women , in some cases succubi attacks were not always unwelcome , and the only evidence of their nocturnal visits was extreme (although sometimes fatal ) fatigue .

The incubus/succubus is similar to the vampire in that it attacks its victims night after night and is sexually insatiable , but it does not suck their blood . In vampire lore , a male vampire was often believed to return to his wife or other women seeking sexual favors ."

The above information come from The element encyclopaedia of vampires .

My boyfriend is an incubus. Basically, incubi, in my experience, are vampires who feed primarily and expertly through Dreamwalking upon sexual energy.

Does a sex dream indicate an incubi/succubi influence, or is that just another name for what Plato called appetite and Freud called id?

In other words, do the sex dreams come from within or from without?

Does whether or not the dreams are orgasmic or not mean anything?

Is self-flagellation related to sexual demons and the desire to vanquish them?

Had one visit me when I was like thirteen havent been the same since.

Steve you had an incubus visit you, as in you had an encounter with a Male Demonlike sex predator?

There's a man on you-tube that got done doggy by an Incubi , he was totally mortified , does happen .


Does a sex dream indicate an incubi/succubi influence, or is that just another name for what Plato called appetite and Freud called id?

In other words, do the sex dreams come from within or from without?

I think that's it's perfectly normal to have sex dreams and i'm sure most people have them , enjoy them and think nothing more of it . These dreams i would say come from desires , sexual repressions that sort of thing , but i'm no psychologist . I can only speak from my own experiences.... Umm ? i'm not sure i should be divulging this in a public forum....No shame ! . Compare a normal sex dream to that of one instigated by a incubi and there's a distinctive difference . On the one hand a normal dreams can can bring to the surface deep desires and wants that will play themselves out through the ramblings of the subconscious . They can be quite vivid erotic and pleasant and one can become quite aroused , teenage boys for example having increased sexual apatites are prone to wet dreams . Sexual desire is deeply in-bedded in us , it's why we fantasise , masturbate , dress up when we go out , so were more alluring to others sexual appetites , it's in so much of what we do , dreams of sex are perfectly normal .

Visits from an Incubus on the other hand are quite terrifying . They can manipulate dreams just like the entity know as a Nightmare , you may be having a quite normal dream and then things take a disturbing twist . "Hang on , something's trying to f**k me" , there's no desire there , quite the opposite it's very disturbing . They also have the ability to hold you in the dream , so even if you have become aware of what's going on and want to wake up often it's very difficult . There's a definite feeling of being the victim , of it all happening against your will (unless you've embraced the dark side), . That's the difference between a normal dream where your for-filling your desires and a Incubui dream where it's using you to for-fill it's . Allot of the time they come before sleep , or there presence in the room can wake you from sleep . In these cases they share allot of similarities to the Old Hag and Mara , in that they bring the feeling of terror and an inability to move ( paralysis ) before having there wicked way with you.


Does whether or not the dreams are orgasmic or not mean anything?

If your having an orgasmic dream it means their doing it right , or you need to go out and get laid .


Is self-flagellation related to sexual demons and the desire to vanquish them?

Umm...? I've never tried to get rid of them using masturbation , i cant speak for any one else .

this is my own thought but...

i think incubi and succubi are human vampires that are feeding on another by way of astral projection.

another possibility is an actual undead vampire...a ghost risen from its grave to feed on the energy of another.

~W~

I totally agree with lord wolf , it is possible to astrally project and feed like this , i think upon death these human souls might even be able to sustain there existence solely on the astral plane .

There's different breeds of creature out there in the astral planes some are totally not human in the slightest . Their demonic or something that's entirely alien to the human race .

scary stuff. What measures can one take not to attract incubi or succubi?

This happened to me a few times. I had been using astral projection and later that night i knew something had visited me. All i remember was something pressing my throat, just enough so i could breath. I was extremely drained the next day. Certain rituals such as banishing rituals work to protect from energy attacks, even simple things like dreamcatchers are supposed to be helpful. Extra care should be taken when on the astral plane. If anyone wants more info on banishing or protection rituals please feel free to pm me.

Mind have deisires and it travel with the help of engine and mouth is the engine of mind. once it got astral rise, it tend to fall again and again on astral plane to fulfill its desires, and if they are sexual, the person becomes the beast and start searching the end, once he or she starts searching, the mouth gets the mind to either dream plane or astral plane where he or she feed on the source. this is if sexual feeding, on astral plane is called incubi or succubi feeding. by this energy they not only get teh pleasures of sex but sucks others energy too on the astral plane. you might have dreamt sone oen having sex with you in any of your life time.

Actually it doesn't require one to have protection rituals to keep them from coming to you. Incubi sounds to me like a form of psychic vampires. Or maybe just humans outside of the body getting a good energy refill on their outter body journies and it turns sexual because let's be honest, everybody has sexual desires and tendancies. Maybe the energies flowed well together that night. Who knows. The point is, i used to have "visits" too and those stopped after i demanded out loud for them to stop. I claimed my place, made my demand very clear, and never had that problem since.

very intresting i think i had an attack similar to what was said cause some nights i can't wake up even while having a sexual dream and it turns out to scare me but since it only happens once in awhile i honestly don't know but is it possible to wake up with marks on your body and can they turn you into one of them if you are bitten?

As I see it, we have two options here. Either we can concoct all sorts of ghoulies and ghosties, fantastical demons and "vampires" or even astral-projected predators around us craving our "energy," etc. Or... we can simply do a simple online study of "sleep paralysis" and its hallucinatory offshoot, Hypnagogia, to scientifically understand what's really going on in all such cases.

perhaps but you never know whats out there but we can hopefully figure out what causes psychic phenomenon but i still say there are things out there we can't explain

It's been my experience, especially at sites like this one, that it's not so much that all such can't be explained but rather ... folks don't want to try to explain them.

When the conscious meets the sub-conscious in that grey area between being asleep and awake, it is quite common for the mind to not be in complete control yet of the body... in much the same way that often when asleep and doing all sorts of physical activities in our dreams yet only rarely do such translate into actual physical body movements. This is due to that necessary disconnect between the subconscious dream state and the conscious state. Were this not so, we would wake ourselves up everytime we did anything in our dreams as our bodies would actually be doing it, too. This explains sleepwalking to some extent, for example, in those who actually do act out their dreams physically as they are asleep.

In any event... sleep paralysis occurs when the body is waking up yet has not yet reached the stage of wakefulness when the subconscious relinquishes its control of the body back to the conscious mind. In that strange not-quite-there-or-here state, neither the conscious or the subconscious is in control of the body's voluntary muscles. And it is in THIS state that we arrive at what is called "Sleep Paralysis." We are technically awake... yet the body is still "asleep" and does not respond to our mental commands as it still thinks we are dreaming and, thus, does not react to our mind.

It is this that can cause a person, who is still semi-awake and semi-dreaming, to imagine that such paralysis is caused by something holding us down and preventing us from moving. And with our dream-state still in twilight activity, still hovering on the horizon of our consciousness... we are easily susceptible to its imaginary dream-state "reality." Hence... we can quite vividly (just as in dreams) imagine that we are actually being held down by some dreamed ghost or demon or vampire or whatever else we have imagined.

This explains exactly why we never experience such "incubi" or "succubi" or any other such ghosties or imagined beings when we are fully awake or... for that matter... fully asleep. We only experience such paralysis and the imagined cause(s) of any such ONLY when in that twilight zone that overlaps both wakefulness and sleep when sleep-related paralysis and our overactive dream-state imaginations are at their peak.


- Upir'

Upir, the problem with that it being "sleep paralysis" is the fact i have been fully AWAKE whenever i had the visits ;)

As everyone knows, anecdotal always trumps empirical... at least at sites like these it does. ;)

Granted it may come as heresay but it doesn't make it any less true. :)

There are many ways to get rid of an Incubi / Sucubi or any other creatures of a similar nature . One of the best ways is to create a mind space that's separates you from their control , any simple chant or saying that you can concentrate on will allow you to gain conscious control over what's happening . Sometimes this separation is enough , but sometimes secondary techniques are called for .

One that works well for entities that feed off fear is to use love . Use the chant to create a separation from it , then loose your fear of it , open up and flood it with love . If it's feeding off your fear and you have none it becomes powerless .

Another way is to fight them off , this isn't done physically , but astrally . Someone above said " if they bite you , you become one " You can if you choose to , the real advantage of having continued exposure to astral creatures is that soon you begin to learn how they operate . Their mere presence in the room can trigger a self defence mechanism in the form of astral projection . While in astral form you can fight them on their level . There are a myriad of offensive techniques at your disposal , your really only limited by your mind . I would advise against fighting them if your not a violent person , because sometimes they will try and fight back .

Another way is to assert your dominance over them . Wholeheartedly command they have no power over you ! .Raise yourself above them , use the big voice , make them feel small , show them you have no fear and they won't mess with you .

Well calling them ghoulies and ghosties wouldn't explain what I have experienced. Nor would it explain the bruises, scratches, and soreness that I've experienced after waking, and other things I won't get into here. I've never felt held down or afraid, though.

While the explanation of sleep paralysis does have its merits, the fact also remains that there are those of us that experience what I would term "waking dreams." However, the intrusion of the subconscious mind while the conscious mind is still operating...entering the twilight stage as it were and "sharing" control over the body is somewhat..as I've read on my own and heard...rare.

However, being on both sides of the fence as it were, sleep paralysis does exist and can account for many of these type experiences. However, astral attacks do happen Upir and often they happen to people who have no idea how to deal with it or defend themselves.

Moonbubble and ChasedbyWolves...great advise all around, I concur.

As for my first experience of such an attack, I was 16 and spending the night with friends. There were three of us in the room and I was asleep on the floor. I woke to the distinct feeling of another entity reaching down inside my body and pulling me up out of my body. I also remember how it "hurt"...I was being pulled up and out...I at once spoke and commanded the entity to release me at once and to go back where it originated and not to come back. It dropped me like a hot potato and I had the sensation of falling back into my body, with a bounce.

I was definitely wide awake at that point. I look at the time and it was just after midnight. Thoroughly shaken by this experience, I sat up and just started praying for protection of everyone in the house and having done so, felt at peace and laid back down to sleep.

I woke the next morning and fully remembered the whole "dream." ...I was completely prepared to chalk it up to such and went about my usual routine and got ready for school.

Once into full-swing of the morning schedule, I was stopped at the ringing of the period bell after World History class. A young man I do not ever remember seeing before that time or after...stood in my path as I tried to leave for my next class and confronted me.

He asked me, "So, how did you sleep last night?"
I looked at him oddly, I'm sure and replied, "what do you mean?"
He answered, "You know exactly what I mean. My friends and I tried to rip your soul out of your body and sacrifice it last night to the devil. I just want to know what you did to stop us."

I was shocked to say the least because he described exactly my experience from the night before...not sure how to respond, I answered truthfully and he just hmpphed, pursing his lips and walked away. I never saw him again....never knew who he was.

That has always stayed with me simply for the strangeness of that confrontation, however, I share it here in this thread as purely an example, that while many dreams can be explained by sleep paralysis, some dreams that cannot must take into account all other evidences that may be present to contradict the experience as merely a dream to begin with.

As for the separation of the subconscious and conscious mind...I'm not so sure that I'd agree with there being a definitive line between the two. Science likes black and white..and I often like it too, but I live in the Twilight 24/7 due to my epilepsy...have my whole life...even while on medications. Many anti-seizure drugs affect the consciousness in much the same way the seizures do.

I've had too many experiences of such astral visitations throughout my entire life to count, to the point that living in this Twilight Consciousness is the only thing I am at peace and quite familiar with...to be without it...for me...would be a nightmare.

Thank you very much Silverhawk for putting in your story and explaining it in great detail.

It truly is difficult to put here our experiences with such things without getting some sort of scientific mindset feedback, which in some way that is amusing to see here, tend to gang up together against the more spiritualist ones, trying to explain away how THEY believe it REALLY happened, but that's merely the ego speaking and their diagnosis in which case isn't needed here esp if one isn't open to accept in full detail of one's unique moment that has no relation to said diagnosis.

I'm sure there are quite the many psychologist and scientific minds among VR, but one cannot make such assumptions without a full review of said person.

lolz..kudos...I am not opposed at all to the scientific side of it though. Upir makes an excellent point on sleep paralysis, however, due to my unique, epileptic experiences...I do not agree that there is a dividing line between the exacting control over the body by either the subconscious or the conscious mind. I literally have experiences that would suggest both my subconscious and conscious mind overlapping and "coexisting" in a sense...that for me, individually, I have experiences that defy a cut and dry explanation.

However, for the classic hag experience, sleep paralysis fully explains and encompasses the phenomenon, but it does not explain experiences where one has other physical evidence that contradicts such an explanation. That is specifically my point here.

All that we experience as individuals must be considered from different perspectives and weighed with intelligent deduction, it is part of the investigative process. Simple and even complex explanations have their paths of realizing the truth.

The murder of an old man occurred in a neighboring parish. It didn't make any sense whatsoever, murder never does, however, upon investigation the answers that came forward from those personally involved in the shooting were astounding. The man was shot and killed over a flower pot.

The point is, did the flower pot instigate the shooting itself? No, of course not. An argument over ownership of the flower pot did however escalate to murder. What am I saying then? One must consider every lead of evidence in order to obtain the body of truth to explain any given situation. Just because you wake up unable to move from a dream, does not mean you are being held down by the hag...it could very well be sleep paralysis. However, if you wake from dreams with little recollection of what happened but you have physical evidence of an actual attack such as bite marks, bruises, bleeding or other, then one must investigate such attacks further beyond the explanation of sleep paralysis.

What are the possibilities? In a realistic sense, it is not unknown for women targeted by individuals to be gassed during their sleep and then raped, only to wake the next morning with physical evidence. In a spiritual sense, when one is awakened during such a physical attack and you find no actual person there to "see"...then you either had an encounter with the invisible man or one with the paranormal or someone traveling the astral plane.

I never would have assumed my personal experience was anything but a very strange dream however real it seemed to me around midnight at the time. It was the events of the next morning that would put the chill down my spine when my attacker made himself known to me. The only thing I cannot, for the life of me, bring up to detail...is his face. He was taller than I was and wore a tan trench coat..but I have a very vague image of his face and he stared me straight in the eyes. I remember his expressions and every word he said, but I could not describe him to anyone beyond those few details.

I cannot explain it away to satisfy even my own deductive reasoning just as I cannot explain why someone would murder an old man over a flower pot. It just doesn't make good sense to practicality.

Nonetheless, such experiences do exist and continue to occur...it is important for such individuals...the victims of such attacks...to know that they are not alone.

True... for as long as people have either over-active imaginations, fears, superstitions, beliefs, subjective physical and/or mental conditions that distort the perception of reality, or simply desire to decieve for whatever purpose... such anecdotal accounts, always devoid of any empirical evidence whatsoever, will indeed persist. But is any of this evidence of actual supernatural causation or, instead, the subjective mindset and perceptions of those claiming such experiences?

It is precisely for this reason that only through careful and scientific consideration of empirical evidences can one hope to navigate through the morass of subjective anecdotal accounts that abound around us toward a better understanding of reality.

I fully understand and appreciate that such a view as this seems to most here both narrow and closed. It is disappointing in the extreme that such a view could possibly still exist in this day and age... yet for many, their desire to believe or to be believed trumps all else. Nevertheless, hat does not change the fact that ... just as with UFO photos constantly being debunked by the truckload as either deliberate hoaxes or natural phenomena poorly interpreted by ignorance revealing only one or two that might be legitimate... only through such careful consideration of the evidences can we hope to likewise avoid the even greater "truckloads" of equally erroneous accounts and perceptions around us constantly clamoring for acceptance.

Again I point out... throughout history any time a people have let their subjective anecdotal accounts trump actual empirical evidence and logical consideration, the results have always been both tragic and oft-times horrific.

Whether such be past cultures that tore out Human hearts by the tens of thousands or threw virgins into the mouths of active volcanoes or committed other like horrors and atrocities in the hope of appeasing non-existent "Gods" of nature, or tortured and burned "witches" at the stake based SOLELY on the same sort of anecdotal "testimonies" being offered here now, any time we permit ourselves to take such accounts as actual evidence instead of the dubiously perceived second and third-hand accounts that they are that are additionally and generously flavored and influenced by subjective preconceived beliefs and superstitions... and motives... we run far afield of what might be the facts of the case and the truth of the matter. And when we do this, we open ourselves up to being decieved and duped by our own carefully cultivated and encouraged ignorance. And this is precisely what ultimately defines ... gullibility.


- Upir'

I've never had any experiences with spiritual sexual predators. I am familiar with what some believe to be psychic vampiric attacks, which did not happen during the time of sleep. As I said before, I was fully awake and had not been to sleep, and there are cases where I have been awakened on a few occasions by sensing them in the room. It's all energy related and some mechanism inside of us that can sense when something is "different" energy wise around us. Animals have this same kind of sense but we don't toss sleep paralysis on them or are we going to toss that label on them as well? lol
Like I said before, each case for each individual is different therefore no one HERE can make a final case of someone's experiences without a full review and no one has the right to say, "well since what you say is heresay, it's unreliable." Um ok at the same time, your opinions can be unreliable to said case. I'm open to suggestions from others and their opinions but it is simply that....opinions.

I don't think anyone is here to find the next witch hunt. I fully appreciate your candor and objectivity though Upir, however, in reading the beginning of this thread, I believe its' intent is more in focus of sharing known information regarding sexual, spiritual attack by entities known as incubi.

While the terminology has spread out to encompass all sorts of things over the centuries dependent upon the concurrent religion, social economics, politics, or other superstitious riotings...the incubus/succubus phenomenon goes further back into history than the stake burnings of France.

It is outlined in Hebrew Kaabalah and I've also read several passages in the Dead Sea Scrolls regarding their own lore regarding such sexually deviant spirits attacking their victims at night. They were none other than the first-born Nephilim, offspring of the Grigori who took to themselves wives and bore their own descendents. According to that account, the Archangel Michael (Mikhael) disposed of these first-born when the Grigori were ordered chained as punishment.

According to these writings, the spirits of the Nephilim, having no place to rest having been released from their physical bodies, were cursed to roam the earth, fulfilling their lusts thereof upon whomsoever was unlucky enough to attract their attentions.

That is the folklore...however, as with all folklore, there is a kernal of truth and personal experiences that continue through the generations. Are we to say that we are all subject to such a game around the campfire as telling the secret from one person to the next? If that were so, the story would change over the centuries..would it not?

Yet the notion of attack happening to individuals that cannot be explained by sleep paralysis or mental illness, continues to be very real as an experience to those who know it first-hand, such as my own...or those that the author of this thread is much hesitant to expound upon simply for fear of being considered somewhat "crazy" or perhaps "misled."

Sometimes, the best course of deducting a personal experience of unknown causes is to put it out there and see if anyone else has heard, read, or lived out similiar things for themselves. It is the sharing and input from others that helps the individual to perhaps find something new that can be tried to alleviate their symptoms or oppression, whatever they may be.

Many an abuse victim suffers at the hands of their attackers and often can suffer deeper damage not seen on the surface of the skin...such things are not always seen, nor are entered into evidence, but it does not eliminate the fact that such things happen.

few years before i got married, I even did not see female thingies except albums and video cassates that sort of matters I experienced after marriage. but one dream I saw, in the garden nearby a tree one female rushed me and lifted her gown to intercourse with me.

that opened my eyes in surprise and could not see more than that. that was weird dream. this much experience i did have sexual part in my life and did not encounter any sexual person in my dream. Coz i think when person astral it do not concern sex.

From what I read, Silverhawk, the poster of this topic is asking our views on the explanation and/or origin of sexual dreams and/or attacks sometimes attributed to incubi/succubi... and it is specifically to this question that I addressed my response.

There is a real physiological/psychological condition directly related to the nature of sleep that causes conditions while waking that fully explain those seeming paralytic-like conditions that are interpreted as "attacks" that are erroneously attributed by different cultures to incubi/succubi, demons, ghosts, etc.

venumstings i like what you said " when a person is astral it does not concern sex." . I have to agree sexual exchange happens on many levels with Incubi . They can have a very physical effects forcing you to move physically and leaving marks on your body . They can manifest genitalia to such a degree penetration is felt even when fully awake and conscious of what's going on . There ability to manifest on the physical plane can be very strong .

There's a whole range of different stages of lucidity ranging from being almost awake to deep dream in which the Incubi can operate , these would be far to complicated to explain , as each Incubi has it's preferred method of doing things , and each victim will experience visits with different levels of awareness . The majority of visits happen during these stages .

Astral sex with a Incubi can be done via a pure energy exchange without the need of penetration or genitalia . The energy release of normal orgasms pale in insignificant's to the energy released in these astral encounters . There is no awareness of any kind of body , only exchange via energy and emotion .

Moonbubble-----you said exactly what I could not say, more or less. I explained the bruises, scratches and soreness...but the physical feeling---while i was awake----is almost indescribable. Only then, when I was aware, did I try to do some research.

Upir----my original purpose for this thread was to get people's opinions, experiences, and suggestions. I wanted to see if what I have been going through matches what other people possibly have. Without getting into too much detail in a public forum, there are some things I can't explain.

and as I said before, I've not been afraid, nor felt held down. I tried talking to it as a friend suggested, and it's seemed to block me, where I don't remember anything, but I still wake up sore and bruised. So I don't really know how to explain that.

Sleep paralysis does exist Upir, I am in agreement with that, however, as Moonbubble explained...the encounters that are at the heart of this discussion are those that go beyond simple sleep paralysis. Even in my own story, I was not paralyzed in my sleep...it was a conscious interaction. Sleep paralysis explains the hag theory..being held down or having a weight upon the chest and being unable to even move a finger. The experiences described here are fully interactive.

The difference between sleepwalking in a dream and accidentally hurting oneself and the interaction between the sleeping or conscious person having an experience where the interaction is not just seemingly real, but is real...when once the incident is over, the person attacked exhibits defensive bruising and/or wounds, and bleeding for no other apparent reason.

This is the incubi phenomenon where as the succubus phenomenon upon men is usually welcomed and enjoyably seductive, the incubi phenomenon is typically reported by both men and women as being violent and akin to rape in many instances with much the same psychological and emotional trauma related with such.

The experiences vary dependent upon the nature of the attack. Some can be very sensual and pleasurable while other instances are not. This is one article I found that reviews the history of incubi/succubi fairly well:

http://www.isisinvestigations.com/demonarticles/paranormal_glossary_Incubus_Succubus.html

I don't mean to be incredulous, Silverhawk, I truly don't. However, I do have a mind that explores and compares explanations given with the logical likelihood of such being even remotely possible. And where your and others' explanations are concerned, they simply... to my view at least... do not seem viable.

I have been physically attacked in my sleep such that it left bruising. And the result of such was that I ... immediately woke up and instantly knew who the attacker was and, thus, exactly how such wounds occurred.

From what you and others here are stating, however, we are to believe that someone can to an even greater degree be physically attacked and even sexually violated to the degree that "bruising and/or wounds, and bleeding..." occur while the person is asleep and remains asleep and entirely unaware of the "attack" such that only upon awakening and discovering such wounds are they left with "... no other apparent reason" to explain the wounds except to attribute them to supernatural entities.

I happen to personally know someone who claims to have been a victim of such an incubus-style "attack" as you describe, Silverhawk, yet additionally claims to have such difficulty sleeping that she cannot even have a ceiling fan on at night or, in most cases, have another person sleeping beside them in bed. Yet, she claims to have slept through such an attack without any paralysis yet also without awakening and defending herself or otherwise able to immediately react to and identify the actual nature of her "attacker."

As I have stated here and previously, for just such a reason as given above, anecdotal accounts are inherently dubious where no other evidence is available given that it is impossible by such accounts to know the full story, including the myriad subjective interpretations given such an account by the teller thereof.

Does this invalidate all such anecdotal accounts? No... I'm not saying that it does. I'm only pointing out the fact that all such anecdotal evidences are inherently dubious by their very highly subjective nature.


- Upir'

As regards the point made eariler in this topic that a possible explanation for such incubus-style attacks are the spirits of the Nephilim ("fallen angels"), let me point out that while such an account is found in the Book of Enoch (Ch. 15), yet this book... as I have previously had to point out... was written literally thousands of years after the events it claims to so minutely describe. Additionally, its account directly contradicts the Book of Genesis that was, itself, written several of hundreds, if not a thousand or more, years earlier than the Book of Enoch. It is exactly for such problems that the Book of Enoch is not considered canon by either Judaism (the religion of its origin) or Christianity.

One of the main purposes of the Book of Enoch was to directly demonize these holy Sons of God (as Genesis Ch. 6 specifically calls and reveres them) by changing their name to the Nefilim, meaning "The Fallen Ones," and thus re-writing history to have their righteousness perverted into seeming evil, instead. Thus, there is absolutely no evidence at all earlier than the Second Century BCE (again... literally 1000s of years AFTER the Sons of God were here) that these original teachers and benefactors to Humankind who visited Earth anciently had anything but the best of motivations given all they taught our ancient ancestors in many places around the world.

The second purpose of the Book of Enoch was to use its libelous invective to likewise demonize their descendants that still lived on Earth so as to further justify their unjust persecution and slaughter... both of which continue to this day.

Let's carefully consider, please, against whom we shall continue to express such racism and bigotry to the degree that even nightmares or, perhaps, delusions are blamed on these Sons of God and their descendants, as well. We would do well to recall that Genesis 6:4 (again... written hundreds if not thousands of years before Enoch) specifically praised these Sons of God and their descendants, describing the latter as "...the mighty men as of old, men of renown" that is additionally interpreted as "the heroes of old," and not evil demons or spirits or any of the other false and reprehensible names given them in the centuries since... including the more recent demonization against them as -- Vampires.


- Upir'

No racism or bigotry was intended as I recall stating the Nephilim being the source of incubus spirits is seriously Judaistic (and later in Christianity) "folklore."

As for the other, the conscious state of the mind itself is in constant shift and growth depending upon each individual. Just as in the physical body, where some may work out their muscles to be tone and fit..others may not be...the same is true in developing conscious identity and spiritual strength. Our qualities, I believe, are multi-dimensional and being such, we are susceptible in affect on differing planes and alternates of life/death dimensions...as energy has an inherent place in all things and transcends all mediums.

Not all things are readily explained thoroughly by science...but science is quickly catching up, especially in the arena of the neural consciousness. What I and others here are stating is within the much debated grey areas regarding consciousness in projecting one's subtle body upon another and "feeding" from it....aka..."psychic attack"...except in this case...there is physical evidence of such an energy exchange in the remains of soreness, bruising, etc.

We could go into length regarding pranic energy and the like, but this thread is simply for discussion of personal experiences...not to be confused with the laying down of concrete facts. In a multi-dimensional space, not all things are tangibly resonant to our subjective senses.

upir:

im saying this with respect (but also with a smile)....

sure we can conduct a study on sleep paralysis....

or we can discuss the possibility that ghosties, ghoulies, long legged beasties, and things that go bump in the night are real...


i know which is more fun! :c)


i enjoy dabbling in the paranormal....i do find it to be fun.

i enjoy dabbling also in psychology....but i tend to do that in a different environment.

anyway, its just a thought, your mileage may vary.

if ever i meet you on another site, ill be happy to have a long discussion of very rational explanations for a number of phenomena.
here, ill be sticking to the long shots, and looking in the dark dusty corners for shadows.
and enjoy that thrill if i see one.
~W~

I am agree with Honorable Moonbubble as my conscious says this is possible. One rise through the thrust of engine ( mouth) and rest to exchange of energies. It can lit the fire in other kin too.

I have tested the consciousness touch on the Crow and my study was successful that crow caught my consciousness and tried to find out who touched its consciousness and came to that rod for three time to know the conscious effect again and again. third time i left the crow and next time crow was not curious and did not come to know the cosnciousness again.

I believe that is a really our sexual subconsciouness taking over while we sleep--

Thank you Thedarkx for that simple statement of reality. It coaxed me into posting what I had prepared yesterday after reading the posts, than last night decided not to add being that it seemed to be taking a different direction......and seemed to be becoming personal rather then a rational discussion.

And - as always Upir - thank you for the bright spot of intellectual reasoning and fascinating historical references. Simular to you - I partake of VR because of my fascination for mythos in general and the romantic draw of the Vampire mythology is one. And I enjoy following how the mythology, fears, and evil induced works of fiction and film followed the beginings of something that was at first, was beautiful.

During a time in my life when I was under a massive amount of emotional stress I had a period of intense dreams and dream disruptions. There were a few in particular that really rattled my chains and ended in a waking dream of sorts which was a bit on the freaky side.

With the first event as I was slowly waking (I don’t recall what the actual dream was) – it was very early morning, yet still quite dark…I thought I heard voices in the other room, and breathing and panting near my left ear….I laid very still, not wanting to move, felt I shouldn’t move…then it seemed the breathing near my ear was moving away, away, then gone. The house was still – no sounds.

The other event followed a vivid dream. In the dream, I was sitting with some female friends at the table in my family room, near a large sliding glass door. I saw something run past my sliding glass door but didn’t see what it was…a friend at the table said it was Satan and that he would not enter unless we allowed him to do so. I saw him pass the sliding glass door again and noticed that he was rather handsome which in the dream, seemed to surprise me. The women at the table held my hands tightly – to calm me and that is when the dream began to flip from a deep dream to a semi-waking dream. I thought it was early morning after the sun had risen because I felt warmth on my face and could see what appeared to be a lit room behind my eye lids as I laid on my back. My hands felt as if they were being squeezed – held tightly – and I did not feel I could move. The light and heat slowly began to fade and shift …………the weight on my hands loosened…As I became more alert I realized the room was actually still dark, and rather cool (it was winter) and my hands were by the sides of my head, palm up.

Now – having related those two dreams to a few friends (and I was rather religious at the time) interpreted it as Satan trying to get to me and my family. And the warmth I felt on my face the time after that, was Christ – who came a few days later bringing His protection, I even then as a very devout Christian scoffed at their interpretation and felt they were over valuing (religiously) the events.

Common sense told me I was 1: under a lot of stress causing 2: rocky and restless sleep patterns and both those situations 3: caused my brain to be over active at night, trying to wrestle with the stresses of that period of my life and process things subconsciously to work through it.

I DO very much believe our dreams can give us insight to ourselves – it is our brain on its own, doing its thing, without the shoulds and shouldn’ts we place on ourselves in our waking hours. No spirits going after me – just me and my brain doing it’s thing.

One of my kids actually has sleep issues – we didn’t know what the explanation was at first and she was rather puzzled for a long time till we were able to properly diagnose it. She would wake with bruises – and things knocked off her night stand. She would wake and not be able to move, which was terrifying for a 15 year old. She had narcolepsy – not so severely as to cause her to drop to sleep in an instant – but a constant state of sleepiness. And sleep patterns that caused waking and REM to cross their wires….which caused the sleep paralysis – the body was waking and staying asleep at the same time. The thrashing in her sleep was caused by the sleep disruptions in the brain – which caused the things being knocked off her night stand and the bruises from thrashing into the wall or bed posts…yet NOT waking her up because she was so deeply asleep.

It is easy to blame the unexplained on the supernatural. But from my experience – that isn’t really the case and discounts the marvelous ability of the brain and our subconscious.

A most excellent post Ziva, thank you for sharing..:) Being epileptic, I can relate to that as well, however...how does one explain interactive consciousness with another entity...not necessarily a spirit or ghost...? As preposterous as it may sound, if all else empirically validated is accounted as not being the source of such an attack, then is it not plausible to take into account non-empirical data to draw more than one conclusion, suffice it to say, even perhaps a solution to the problem at hand?

For instance, I read even just today at my work... a report from NASA regarding the objectivity of depth perception and the ability to operate a fork lift based on empirical findings of loss of color vision and one eye being more dominant than the other. The cold-hard facts of science dictate that there is a deficiency in the workman's vision, however...based on non-empirical findings as found in a close study of people with such determined ocular short-comings, it was founded well within the law based on that research... that although the workmen observed who exhibited certain visual limitations, they them to be no more accident-prone than workmen who has perfect sight, color and depth perception. This non-empirical evidence helped to set a standard of measurement that allows within limits of the law of what is acceptable before becoming too dangerous to work a forklift.

So, here too...we have empirical information regarding this phenomenon and non-empirical theories and findings based on personal experience as well. Neither is right nor wrong nor weighs more heavily towards being accurate vs impressionable, but perhaps in sharing all the ideas regarding this topic, the author of this thread and others will have a good base to explore their options and draw their own conclusions based on their own gathered evidence.

Again, Ziva, awesome addition and thanks for sharing your story too..:) I for one am interested in others' experiences as well, no matter how far-fetched they may sound, this is after all the place to discuss the occult topic of incubi/succubi. ;)

well, while i think there are certainly and most commonly mental issues of one sort or another, as well as inspiration by dreams, what i am saying is that i dont rule out potential supernatural reasons as well. the nature of the supernatural precludes collection of empirical data.
so while 999 people that experience such phenomena are prolly experiencing completely normal explainable things, that 1000th person may actually be experiencing something extraordinary.

my thought is that if someone is suffering from such visitations, one should of course visit a doctor and try what modern medicine can do to help, but if all else fails....perhaps trying out solutions for an actual incubus might yield results.

~W~

folklore has pointed the way to the discovery of new animal species.
its pointed the way for new medicines, new discoveries in archeology, and gods know what else.

all im saying is that a belief that has lasted for untold centuries might have a basis in reality that is even deeper than simple physiological explanation.

just a thought, and of course your mileage may vary.

~W~

Wow...what I had started as a simple question to hopefully help explain and have others share their experiences has turned into something else entirely.

I am not religious, in the Christian sense, which is why I asked for no bible stuff.

So we can believe in ghosts, a mythical man in the sky, animal spirits, we are on a vampire site, and believe in transfers of energy....but we can't fathom the idea (except for two fo you, maybe 3) that something else could exist.

As far as in my dreams my sexual nature coming out, I find that very untrue. I state again, I was not paralyzed, or held down. I was not afraid. Various other times I have not remembered my dreams and woke up with the scratches and bruises and soreness----all over.

I respect others' opinions, and I wanted to hear others' experiences and explanations, but I didn't really want to hear that it is all in my head because I dream about sex.

Ziva , just out of interest did they provide her with medication that prevented such things happening again ?

Is there i big diffrence between a sexual vampire(male),
and an Incubi?
I've had a visit from a sexual vampire,
but is there a relation between the two?
Vampires are know as demons themselves,
so i wonder.

An Incubi is a sexual demon ,but as it draws energies from you via sexual interaction it can fall into the definition of a vampire . Psi vamps that are incarnate and feed off sexual energies can also fall under the definition of an Incubi .

I think there's a definite relationship between the two . I believe a human soul once disembodied can continue feeding in this way . A soul can distort and become almost demonic in nature without the moral boundaries of material existence to keep them in check .

Thank you, ~Upir~ for ending that unwarrented "witch hunt" that some of the threads respondants instigated with their "vampires, dream walkers, sexual predators, oh my" babble.

At least someone try to come up with a reasonable explanation as ~Upir~ did with his "sleep paralysis" post.

Better then a "spanish inquisition" of sorts.

My theory other then sleep paralysis, is what could cause such paralysis. Perhaps, a dream was so real it invoked a certain energy manipulation to where the individual was being held down by an unknown source or some where along the line, a night terror engulfed them to the point they actually saw some sort of entity above their face, on their body or at the foot of their bed?

Okay....sleep paralysis is exactly that..."paralysis"...the experiences being discussed in this thread are not described as being "held down" and "unable to move."

What is being discussed regards any knowledge or information regarding incubi phenomenon...aka..sexual experience on a spiritual and/or physical plane of consciousness with another viable entity or other intelligent, consciousness.

Far-fetched? Maybe...but then again...not everyone would agree either that 90% of physical orgasm is found within the power of the consciousness...or within the soulish realm of the mind.

My guess would be that any excuse for a non consensual encounter with something that wasn't there could make anyone think twice, if such a venture were true. Might freak the rest of society out.

Could be caused by a poltergeist as well. Think of that? Has been known to happen on several different occasions.

Incubi, I can say is the most wrongful "creature" accused of doing "stuff" to women. Just because you go into a trance during your sleep and have a dream of sexual "adventure" doesn't mean was an Incubi. When you start knocking the door of the unknown, the resident of the unknown will open the door to you. Demons, poltergeist, ghost, and probably Satan himself will come to you. Also, the influence of narcotics can affect the senses and make you believe, something that never happen.

or maybe its just the subconscious playing tricks on you

My point was not to insinuate that all such experiences are "in your head," if such is interpreted as meaning that all such is either psychosomatic or as a result of mental deficiency or illness. If my replies have been misinterpreted thusly, my apologies.

My point is, as I believe I stated, that anytime one deals with perceived "events" on the periphery of consciousness, between the dream world of fantastical sights and sounds and events and the awake world of life itself, there is that twilight grey realm halfway between dream-state and consciousness where it becomes often next to impossible to tell what is real and what is dream.

I have had many experiences where I have been half awake and distinctly recall having done things or seen things (e.g., looked at the time on the clock, turned the alarm off, received a telephone call, spoke to someone and had them reply) and only after re-awakening and then checking my phone or the clock or asking the person to whom I thought I'd been speaking and only THEN realized that, despite how REAL and un-dream-like the events that had occurred in that "twilight" world seemed... none of it had actually happened.

Now... had my recollection been of something fantastical... no doubt my memory of such an event or events would have seemed just as real to me. Yet, they would have been just as unreal as were the previous incidents described.


- Upir'

As per ~Upir's~ above post... might also explain my all mighty night terrors, of seeing things when I am half awake and thus jumping from the bed to fight them away.

Last time it was a huge spider on my ceiling. Only to wake up with nothing there.

i also live in twilight because of medication that i take however being that i have had bite marks on the side of my hand and have a scar because of it and i am not saying i bit myself however i was parcially awake when i was bitten but i was also dreaming at the same time. the thing is i was able to move when i got bit not just that i recall the entire situation where in the dream i came out of a forest in my back yard ( which btw i live in the city) and the sun was rising and i was in a dress when i came inthe house my grandmother said you're late for school hurry up and get dressed i got dressed and went to school while i was there i met some young man and a young woman and then it turned into a nightmare where at the school there were electric fences a pool and a lot of young adults while i was there i realized that i was waking up and still dreaming at the same time back to the dream all hell broke loose and the three of us made plans to escape we finally get over one fence and we are at the pool all of a sudden this vampyre or incubi needs to feed and i tell him to go ahead and feed on me after that i fall into the pool get out and escape the school. i have two marks where this creature bit me and when i got up about 7 am there were two puncure marks on my right hand that i know i didn't bite myself while asleep and second i woke up more or less refreshed cause i fed as well but what is even more odd is i haven't been in my grandparents house all that long when this happened and two how does someone wake up refreshed when they've been attacked i'm just wondering if i have become a full vamp or sucubus because of this i honestly don't know cause the guy in my drem was a vamyre

it seems that the pryor post to this thread have answered your question...however I did not see
the explanation of night terrors this is where a person becomes totally paralized with fear then there is a weight that is felt upon the chest...many people believe that their life is being sucked out of them...I believe that night terrors could be contributen factor to incubi and sucubi

the thing is i still have scars from my attack and yes it is quite scary incubi or sucubi can cause night terrors as well as nightmares as a child i had horrible dreams and sometimes woke my family up and they didn't know what i was screaming about and as i grew older these drreams grew even more sexually violent to the point where i did not know where i was for at least 2-5 minutes and finally when i came to my full senses there were brusies and even scratches that had not been there before which at first i thought my cat had scratched me but then they were in places where i know my cat wouldn't scratch and my cats at the time did not go under my covers and still dont so that ruled out the cats and the fact is that i believe that whatever the creature wether it was incubi or sucubi has followed me over the years cause there are times when i take naps and have felt that someone was in the room and when i would turn to look no one is there i have had this happen wether someone is home or not and i have had it follow me while out for walks or just meditating on a book or just sitting there relaxing i don't know if this has happened to others or not but it has happned to me today as well while i was taking a nap i felt something touching me and later when i was out for my meditative walk i was in a semi trance and the hairs on the back of my neck stand up and while i was walking all these dogs stated barking and growling not that usally do when i'm out but it was unsual and at that time 2 something touched my hair but that is what happnened this week

my experiances have been pulling of my hair. real breathy whispers in my ears. seeing black formations dart thru walls and bed shaken...only once my partner woke up with severe scratches and a knife flew out of the sink accros the room and planted itself into the back of a chair he normally sat in. I know my enity is attached to me cause it is with me no matter where I move...just wondering if the spirit deamon what ever you want to call it did not like my choice in partner at that time period

maybe but i know my entity is definetly attached to me that is for sure as for doing things like thowing a knife out of the sink into a chair that i have not had happen although it could but my entity has attacked my ex fiance through a dream but other than that i have heard a wisper have been touched by it sexually and not just that but have woken up with small scratches in places where i would not let myself touch except maybe a lover such as in between my thighs but also i feel it around even while i am awake as it follows me whereever i go or it will make itself known by let my cat chase it or let my cat paw at it when nothing is there so i honestly think they can be attached to people as well because of certian experiences i have had such as when i turn off the light at night even though i get up once in awhile for a glass of milk i will see a shadow not my own but one with bat wings even though it is clearly dark i not only sense it but feel it while i am downstairs in my living room and sometimes it will wisper something that i can't hear or understand so i think what ever i do it seems to watch and follow

I mean no disrespect, but your experiences you sited reminds me of a show I once saw that was based on a real account. It was of a woman who had a form of sleep disorder that could also I guess be a form of another personality.
She was a sleep walker and had been told that but she didn't realize she was a sleep 'screwer' too. She'd even go down the corner to the local bar and pick up random men & have sex with them in random places. She would only have foggy dream like memories of it and the tale tell things to her body after.

Though I seriously doubt that is your thing it just reminded me of that.

I don't have any experiences with the spiritual aspects of Incubi or Succubi I only know the human 'psi vampire' version.

My ex room mate was a succubus. Of course at the time I only thought of her as a drama causing wh@re and I'm certain she didn't know what she was. It was only years later after reading on various things did I discover accounts just like I'd seen with her.

Everywhere she went ppl got stirred up, drama would start over the littlest things and she'd always be in the middle of it. She seemed to thrive off it. And at the end of the night she'd take home one sometimes two guys and screw them to near unconsciousness. She on the other hand would be up all morning afterwards baking, cleaning and dancing around the apartment. It was mentally and sometimes physically exhausting to be around her and if she didn't have some of her wild party/sex nights for a bit she'd have severe lows and act sick/drained.

Also sounds like a classic case of Bipolar Disorder...;)

..but I found everyone's posts interesting in recounting individual experiences...although as others pointed out earlier in the thread, not all such incidents can be correlated directly to an incubi/succubus spirit. Sometimes, such attacks...if not related to a sleep or mood disorder...can also derive their origins from other possible sources of psychic and/or paranormal entities/attacks.

As in other threads I've posted before...journaling can often times help in uncovering patterns that you may not otherwise be aware of in your dreams, your waking experiences, and conscious ones. Such discoveries can help an individual experiencing such night terrors or other unusual, unexplained and non-empirical evidences find triggers to such events that can lead to simple and effective solutions and present a tangible lead of information one can use to help in their personal situation.

Also, this might sound a little strange but the mind is capable of many things.
If you are dreaming of certain things they can have physical results on your body.
I often have very intense dreams that sometimes leave marks on me after waking.

The first I actually noticed was when I was a teen. It was after I had dream I was a classic vampire and sun burnt me. -I'd awoke in a closet under the stairs at a strange house and came out to look around. The light hurt my eyes a lil and as I made my way up the stairs to continue searching the house I crossed some beams of light as I ascended the staircase. I paused and my heel got a quick flash of heat. I pulled it up quickly and was puzzled so I slowly extended my arm into the light and held it there. The sun was very warm, then hot like I had been laying out in it a long time, then my arm became tender and sore as if badly sun burnt and I yanked it away as I woke up from the pain.- no one was in my room and nothing was there to hurt me. I drifted back to sleep and woke later pretty much forgetting the dream until later in the day when I was asked why I kept absently holding my forearm and if I was hurt.
It's like a sunburn but I hadnt been out. It was actually just barely flushed skin but as I thought about it I remembered my dream and figured it had to have been from that.

Since I have had others typically when I have dreams of fighting for my survival. I will wake with faint scratches, or bruises where I got injured in my dream. Also my emotions in dreams are very strong and real after waking as if a lost love was really my love etc.

The injuries I explain in either two ways. 1. its my body using an already injured place in a dream and I had just not noticed the sore place before. OR 2. My mind is physically manifesting dream injuries. Which is a pretty scary idea.

If you typically have intense dreams maybe something like that is possible.
I'm sorry if I missed any other accounts but someone above me mentioned journalling I believe.
It's a good idea and particularly keeping a dream journal. And maybe work on learning how to lucid dream.

Being basically crazy myself, I'm always one to try to explain something as a possible mental issue before seeking external causes. I like to analyze things and decide first if there is any possible way I am creating these things and if I can make them stop on my own first.

With mine I worked on lucid dreaming and now I'm pretty bad@ss in my dreams and rarely get hurt. And if I do, I'm in a lucid state and can tell myself I'm only dreaming and I'm not really injured. Right now I can't remember the last time I woke up with a mark or injury.

that could happen but i have had experiences where this entity has caused damage to others not just myself as of this morning or wherever you may live this entity of mine when i walked into my room knocked a whole bunch of my photos over and not just that but a statue of the egyptian goddess Bastet that i have it literally went flying to the ground only after i walked right into my room even though i can walk heavy sometimes it is unusual for that to send things flying at me and not just that but i felt scared for a moment and it also sent a bowl that i use to bring food up into my room to come crashing down on my foot and seriously i was totally awake when it happened i had just walked into my room so yea it caused a little drama but since i know i was awake i have no reason to believe that i had walked to hard on my carpet floor so i dont know we will have to see what happens next

the entity that i have has of this week been very active but so far it has not gotten to wild and out of control but i never know when something is going to happen even if i try but then my family has had some strange stuff going on where they don't know if something has happened cause i usally am the only one who see's what happens and i am the one who cleans up the mess before anyone of my family notices. but if they notice something i am the one who gets the blame and then a fight starts which once in awhile i am involved in but other than that i so far have not had anything super bad happen

lets strip all the veneer away, and look at what we might have if indeed an incubus/succubus does actually exist.

we have a spirit (a ghost perhaps) that takes energy from a sleeping person in the form of sexual energy.

now i personally do believe in ghosts, and i think its safe to say that most people that are a part of this site also believe in them.

from that point, how difficult is it to get to using life energy in the form of sexual arousal to "power up" the spirit?

as ive stated previously, most cases of "incubbi" attack are probably the result of sleep paralysis, but all? i dont think so.

there wont be any definitive answers found here, but i do think it pays to keep an open mind and occasionally allow yourself to just say hmmmmmmm.

i agree to keep my eyes open however being that i have been attacked and i was not paralized in any way i know what i have felt and seen and not just that how does being wide awake and have it attack you make it sleep parlisis and not just that how does being wide awake and have it haunt you and your family during the night or when you take a rest from the daily grind in the afternoon that is what i want to know

Sounds more like a ghost/poltergeist with a high amount of energy and activity...o.O

I agree with Lord Wolf as well...not all instances are attributed to sleep paralysis but can be linked to other spiritual/paranormal phenomenon that can be documented properly as empirical evidence.

There is also a poltergeist phenomenon that is caused by a person's own energy field...if things are consistently flying across the room when you are around...it could also be that your own energy is attracting and moving objects.

Levitations of such nature can appear random or occur with conscious effort. I believe there is a game out on the market that uses a head set (o.O...thoughts of my first thread regarding EEG brain waves to command interfaces comes to mind) that while worn, the user can move balls and other objects and levitate them on the game field.

Other than that...if it is truly a ghostly encounter that you believe is haunting you...then investigate your environment further and rule out other causes that may be increasing magnetic fields in the areas these instances occur.

Identifying an entity properly also helps in dealing with it effectively...just depends on what you are willing to accept in the relationship of your unknown..o.O

that is a good idea however i have had this entity for years it has been attracted to me ever sense i was born perhaps that is why certian people in my family hardly ever come near my room when i am in it lol

speaking of entities....in another thread someone mentioned the movie "the entity". it is supposed to be based on actual events, and matches up rather well with some accounts of incubi.

there would seem to be some interconnection here.
~W~

Mines also been around since i was very small , and there have been others that have come and gone . I think many of them can fall under multiple categories . The main one that's been with me from childhood could be called a incubi as we've had numerous sexual encounters , also a he could be labelled a poltergeist because he moves things and is fond of making loud noises . Most of my encounters with him would fall under the category of Hag or Mara attacks , but he also operates in dream that would make him a nightmare . So his abilities are numerous and he favours different methods at different times and for different purposes .

I think different entities have different capabilities in the same way that humans do . One human might be very physical an athlete for example , or one might me very academic and intelligent , or even a very creative or artistic person . They would all have very different methods of thinking and doing things . As do the entities that reside within the astral . They each have preferred methods of getting your attention and feeding , some preferring to feed from fear , others sexual energies , some like being mischievous and knocking things over . Each one has it's little idiosyncrasies and subtle behaviours that distinguish it form the next .

i agree with you there moonbubble cause mine has been with me since i was a toddler and even now it comes in dreams and not just that it has knocked things to the ground as well as speaks to me through telepathy but more than that some people consider me to be a sucubus cause i feed off of peoples sexual energy but i only do that if the sex is consented to but that is a whole different story but even with my entity i sometimes get energy from it as well it helped me stay awake today which helped cause i didn't sleep as well last night due to haveing a procedure done yesterday morning and i am still in a bit of pain but different entities do have different abilites

I agree they can definitely give you energy , there presence can raise your vibrational frequency to astral levels . Also while in astral form you can allow them to occupy part of your subtle body , or maybe it's me occupying him , either way this gives a massive increase in energy and perceptional powers .

The thing that fascinates me most about these entities is how they interact so subtly with the human psyche , especially in dream states . I'd love to hear how they interact with you in dream , or even how you become aware of their presence and the effect that has on the dream . This is one of my main areas of study at the mo .

usually she will literally just pop in i am not kidding you and i can feel her when she is there cause the air in the room changes although she hasn't been around in about almost 48 hours i do know when she appears in my dreams once in awhile cause i see her bat wings before she appears and yes sometimes she will cause my dreams to go haywire but that is only when i am not listening to my own sixth sense so other than the usual things i tend to do my stuff when she is or isn't around but yes i have a reason to believe i am a sucubus because not only is there a lot of drama when i am around but i also feed off of sexual energy even if my entity is not around so i think this entity is kinda watching my back lol

This might sound weird but i'm convinced that mines teaching me to be like it . I can get out of my body and visit others and hag them consciously , but this is also happening unconsciously as well now . I can't stop myself if i'm not aware that my astral self is travelling . I've had several successful reported hits on a friend , so i know that the lessons are working . I'm currently working on pulling people in through dream . I think of them strongly during dream , focus in on them , and then hag them . As soon as i'm out of my body , i get a wild delight and a insatiable apatite to feed , but i often mess it up due to my inpatients . My entity is trying to teach me to enjoy the subtitles of individuals , and to effect their psyche's and energetic bodies to get the most out of them , this is the real art of these things . My next phase is to drag them into dream and learn the subtitles of dream manipulation . As i'v been a puppet of my entity for the last 30 years , i understand how it's done , it's just maintaining the focus and will to get me there that's the real challenge .

well i have been like a sucubus for about 8 years now and like i said my entity hasn't been around in a few days lol i guess now it is just my sucubus self and speaking of i have a former frind who is a demon and she said i have demon blood and she said i have wings so in my veiw i could be a sucubus and not even know it

Some beleave that incubui & succubi are one in the same. Rarely taking material form. They prefer the astral plane. And more likely to visit your dreams and feed there. But I digress onese a incubus has had sex it will turn into a succubus and that seems to be the cycle.
However it seems that only in modern history, that visits from these being are deemed a bad experience.
Due to the sexuality surrounding these encounters, it seem only fair to say that certain religious groups, would want one to think this experience is bad.
Thinking about, Dreaming about, or just plain enjoying physical plesure, is just wrong in some eyes. (poor Bastarts)

Astral, incubi, succubi, meditation, reiki, aura seek, devotion, etc. are kind of exotic rise, nothing else.

I do not rise to feed on. I do meditate...
I can send good energies... This why is the Japanese are great reiki and exotic masters.

I go along wih the myth that incubi/succubi are fallen angels, and that they are vampires.

the thing is i have fed off of energy of others either with or without knowing it but i will say i enjoy sexual energy as a way to get the energy i need sometimes without it i get very sluggish but that is just the way i am lol i guess i need that energy after all but we all send out energy no matter what type it may be reki or meditation it still uses energy

incubi is male demon, who atack woman on the night.even I have read the some wizard born of a human and incibu.
succubus is the female demon,it seduce young men...
it really interistin the mythology of this demons.

The incubus feeds on your life force as you sleep (a sort of Psychic Vampyre. Most people believe that all Incubi or Succubi feed only on sexual pleasure but this is not always the case. The term Incubus comes from the Latin, incubus, or "nightmare" and they prey on humans while they sleep and feed on there fear or pleasure. Incubi or Succubi are also very possessive and may kill the persons partner or those in the way. Most are summoned but this is not always the case. As long as you are aware of what is going on there are talismans you can wear to ward them off as well as salt around your bedroom as well as your bed may work depending on there strength and your faith against them. Not all Incubi or Succubi are harmful but they can be very possessive of those stealing you away from them.

If you've a fear of something like this visiting you then persorm a protection ritual before sleep and visualise yourself having a good sleep, being protected and getting up refreshed. That may help.

I have had incubus-like experiences that I believe are due to astral projection. I was asleep during the first few encounters, but later, encounters occurred while I was awake. I have even experienced a ghostly figure that I could feel. So, I do not think it is a bad dream. I have a friend who is adept in astral projection, and has claimed to be a Mara. I believe he is responsible for these experiences.

i also believe i have some sucubi blood due to the fact that i do feed off of sexual energy and some times drama but the entity that i have has been around and causing more drama than my own self cause just recently i have been in a bad situation with my grandparents and right now i don't know what is going to happen next but since they have been overly dramatic i probally have fed off of their energy and then they either a get hurt or b cause even more drama and then someone gets hurt even worse so the entity i have may be contributing to the drama so that i can feed and it can too though i think it is going to get even worse if either they or i am not careful

There is more than one legend concerning the incubus and succubus. In one in particular since I did the research some time ago, some believe it is one entity and after the female form that manifests and collects the semen, it transforms (you could call it shapeshifts) into a male and impregnates females to create evil spawn that it can control. There isn't just one story or necessarily two entities but then again their might be for all anyone knows.

Yes they do think sleep paralysis has something to do with this but most often they connect that to the hag. The scientists have one idea and the paranormal researchers have another and who knows if either of them are correct completely. Let's face of it, no one knows the nature of reality. I have waking dreams from time to time but more like waking daydreams one might say. Can I prove it, no. I would have to be involved in a study where my brainwaves were being monitored to prove something was happening and beyond that it would just be my word.

Sweeping answers and saying this scientist says this and that one that is not authoritative because very often there are camps and for everyone that says one thing another says something else has been my experience. I know that Monroe felt that those adept in going into the astral could shapeshift there. At least that was what he felt from his own experiences and a lot of researching. Maybe this accounts for some of the beliefs in certain beings that come into our dreams or invade our waking space. Who knows, after all, all of it is merely conjecture.

thing is half the time i am awake when such things have happened and i usually know when it happens to pull something on either me or one of my family members and once in awhile i will see my cat chasing or pawing at something that is not there not to mention i honestly believe it is courting me in a way that i am not sure how to deal with and the scary part is part of me wants to join it and the other part of me is trying with all the strength to keep myself from actually joing forces with it and not just that it probally is what caused my grandmothers accident last tuesday night after my grandfather and i went to sleep the next thing i know is i hear my grandma banging on the wall and i went down to see what was going on and when i got there she was on the floor with a dislocated shoulder and needed to go to the hospital after that my dreams have been where i have been in Hell and working for the devil and not just that my last one was where i became the bride of the devil which is definetly not on my to do list and not just that my ex was a groom for a she devil and his family let that happen so i'm a bit nervous because no matter how many times you put up a protective boundry it will fight it and what happens then who knows

All the dreams are your subconscious trying to reason it all out , sounds like your having a bit of development . You have to figure out in your own mind what you want from this , if it wants you to be a companion you have to wear the trousers , at least in the real world . This is your material life and you govern it , they may guide you , but the final decision is always down to you . You have to make it clear that if he wants you , he protects you and your family and gives you what you want , and in turn you give him everything he desires of you . You have to be resolute in your decision to take up this path or it will chew you up . Don't think or theorise about things too much , you will drive yourself mad , document everything and keep a rational mind . You may never know , what it is , where it comes from , why you . We're not here to learn everything in a day , take things as they come . It's capable of showing you the most amazing subtle things , i'd say get in there ! , not many have the chance to experience these things fully and willingly .

my posts keep getting deleted, but i am not receiving any messages saying why, so i take that as a sign that they were all simply mistakes.
If you have an incubus/succubus visiting you and you can guard your soul, what's the worry?
i'm fairly certain they were made up by the church though... so your chances to meet one may be slim

some men are like incubi they get energy from the orgasms of woman, they feed off of it, to me its the same as I feed of orgasm of male, like a succubi, an incubi can look like any man, as they need to seduce in other to feed on a stronger energy, as a willing one will be stronger then one that resists

i agree with moonbubble you never know why it chose you in the first place and maybe writing a journal may help and if it chose you for some reason you should at least have a choice if you want it to change you however i really had no choice due to the fact that my energy appeals to this entity and it is always around my house somewhere in one way or another in some ways i think mine is teaching me to be like it because i get a high not only from sexual energy but there is also the fact that some drama gives me a high as well and when i get the sexual energy i literally have a high of energy for about a month and then if there is drama at home i get a bit of a high at the same time however i try to avoid negative energy in the first place but not all incubi or sucubi may agree with that notion