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RavenEyes
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Okay, this is a little complicated, so bear with me please.

My friend once told me that, in a dream of hers, she realized it was a dream and so woke herself up. The thing is, she didn't actually wake up: she "woke up" into another dream! The same thing happened in this new dream, so she "woke up" into ANOTHER dream! This happened seven times in a row until she woke up for real.

She was willing to just cross this off as an odd experience, but I am curious as to how this happened. My personal theory is that she was ascending each level of unconsciousness until waking. I am not sure if that makes sense, so I was wondering what your thoughts were. Maybe someone else in this site has had a similar experience?

Thank you all in advance for your responses!




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never that many times but i have thought i had woke up only to be told i wasn't my roommate told me i was still laying in bed but i actually thought i had woke up it toook me a couple of times to actually wake up it is wierd though



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Wow , it does sometimes happen to me , it is kinda cool , but sometimes frustrating. The kicker is when one actually wakes up for real !
This usually happens when I am sleeping hard or am over tired. Sometimes when I think I am awake , am not, and try to come to terms with the reality before me at the time before I make any moves, if this makes any sense....... I have a hard time explaining this , and I am kind of wondering myself. Maybe it is dreams overlapping , or one dreaming of waking up....so it maybe just part of the same dream.



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I tend to be in agreement with Stabb. I don't think it's so much a "rising through 7 levels" as a represenation of something else. And a lucid dreamer usually is able to see their dreams clearer. It would be interesting to see what happened or what was experienced each time your friend "woke up".


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Foreverseeking
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Stabb666,

That is a good way of looking at it....makes alot of sense.



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Your post proved very interesting to me, There is dream state at the REM level.. From what I know, it is not always possible to dream in stage 1 & 2. I have had similar when I have woken in my dream.. I put it down to being part of my DREAM. Your friend may be becomming more aware of her sleep and ergo, able to 'steer her dreams'. dreams and the sub-conscious fascinate me.. here I have included the levels to 'normal sleep'

During a normal nights sleep a sleeper passes from the theta waves of stage 1 and 2, to the delta waves of stage 3 and 4. Delta waves are the slowest and highest amplitude brain waves. There is no real division between stages 3 and 4 except that, typically, stage 3 is considered delta sleep in which less than 50 percent of the waves are delta waves, and in stage 4 more than 50 percent of the waves are delta waves. Delta sleep is our deepest sleep, the point when our brain waves are least like waking. Consequently, it is most difficult stage in which to wake sleepers, and when they are awakened they are usually sleepy and disoriented. Interestingly, delta sleep is when sleep walking and sleep talking is most likely to occur.

Besides these four basic stages of sleep, another, unique, stage of sleep exists, REM. This stage gets its name from the darting eye movements that accompany it (rapid eye movement), as indicated by the EOG. Interestingly, it is also characterized by a sudden and dramatic loss of muscle tone, which is measured by the EMG. In fact, the skeletal muscles of a person during REM sleep are effectively paralyzed. This stage is also, associated with a unique brain wave pattern too, in that during REM sleep a sleepers brain waves demonstrate characteristics that are similar to waking sleep, a combination of alpha, beta, and desynchronous waves (see Figure 1). Most importantly to psychologists, this is the stage of sleep most associated with dreaming. When a sleeper in a research lab begins to exhibit the physiological indices of R.E.M sleep, and they are awakened, the great majority of the time they will report that they were having a vivid, story-like, dream. During other stages, on the other hand, they normally do not report dreaming.

In a normal night's sleep, a sleeper begins in stage 1, moves down through the stages, to stage 4, then back up through the stages, with the exception that stage 1 is replaced by REM, then the sleeper goes back down through the stages again. One cycle, from stage 1 to REM takes approximately ninety minutes. This cycle is repeated throughout the night, with the length of REM periods increasing, and the length of delta sleep decreasing, until during the last few cycles there is no delta sleep at all.

More info can be found at;

http://web.umr.edu/~psyworld/sleep_stages.htm



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TheatresDesVampires
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I've had a similar dream, but it only went up to waking up in 2 different dreams did I really wake up. And even then I didn't know if I was awake or still dreaming.

I'm not sure what or how it's caused, but lucid dreaming as Stabb mentioned, does ring a bell with me.



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I think lucid dreaming is a very interesting concept. I have only once been aware of the fact that I was in a dream, and it was quite invigorating.
I have since watched a film that provided me with some new ideas in regard to this topic. It is called Waking Life, if you have not watched it, you must if you are interesting in philosophy and/or lucid dreaming.
It basically suggests that we are hardly aware that we are awake or dreaming when we are in an awake state, let alone when we are dreaming. So basically if we learn to be more aware of our waking life then we can learn to also be more aware of our dream life and more lucid dreams. I am not sure if at some point the lines will begin to blur and waking life and the dream life will become not so different.
I personally cannot consider myself so sure that we aren't in some higher form of a dream when we actually think we have 'woken up'. But I won't start that debate.



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I've woken up into other dreams before and I really thought I was awake. It's not really an uncommon experience.



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BillytheJust
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Might be more important that she remembered her dream as opposed to figure what these levels are. There are no different levels. There are different kinds of dreams, like lucid, and different states of consciousness but not "levels." Make sure the dream is written down somewhere.



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stabb makes the most sense. probably just waking and drowsing. over and over.



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Sonneillon
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Wouldn't that be scary, waking up and finding out you're only dreaming again? Sounds like something off of A Nightmare On Elm Street movie.



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xtremehate
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Minx touched on this very well...

The different levels of sleep that are measured by REM do allow for different experinces. One technically does not truly reach the dream state until REM 4, but anything is possible.

As for me, I have not experienced a dream that I actually realized that it was a dream and woke myself up.



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lucid dreaming, sort of.
there's stages of sleep- and in lvel 2,3, some people dream before hitting REM sleep.



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that in particular has never happened to me but there is something that has kept me boggled...i'll be dreaming and when i wake up i'm in a mix of the real world and the dream one. i have seen people from my dreams laying in bed with me. when i take another look, they're gone. i would practice astral projection on a regular basis to vent, but because of some personal situations, i had to stop. and now this happens. someone once told me it was my brain, soul, whatever, wanting me to project again.



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When I read the question I immediately thought of the film Waking Life that Slainbaby mentioned above. It is as he describes. I recommend the film to all.

I will not get into the debate of whether it was a waking up through levels of consiousness or just a different level of REM. I don't know. :)

I do agree with Billy though. Keep a record of the dreams you have. Without a record it is difficult to determine what exactly happened.



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that sounds like a perfectly logical theory



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Stabb deffinately has a point there are many times that it has happened to me as well. Most of the time with me it ends up taking me to a different part of the same dream as though it is skipping about with it. That is just how it usually does with me.



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BloodHarvestBride
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Have you ever been in a sleep and you woke suddenly with a jump? Could that be from suddenly jumping through the levels of conciousness you think?



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i have had it happen many times and in one i dreamed i had actually got up and was in the shower before i woke up into another dream...



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I guess the worst would be not to panic to be able to keep control of the situation and to be able to focus on what is happening and why along with the realising we are in a dream for a reason and nothing in there can hurt us.



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RavenKnight
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I have had dreams like that but i have never woken up that many times, and i couldent tell you what it means...



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i have had the same thing happen to me were i was dreaming aqnd thought i woke up. later i was told by my girlfriend that i stop breathing and my eyes was wide open. this has happen to me sevel times and cant exsplain it.



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I have done the same thing over and over, exspecially if it is a bad dream. I kn I am dreaming and I force myself (whilst in the dream) to wake up which I tend to roll over or move slightly and start another dream. My wife has been awake sometimes while I do this and she can tell I am having a bad dream but not once have I physically woken up.



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I`ve never expereniced this before
ive heard about it though. its not nessercerly, ascending, its just exploreing differnt parts of your mind.



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I've never actually woken into another dream before - sounds interesting, maybe I should become overtired and try it some time, that would give me a chance to catch up on some college work, lol.

Though seriously, this is interesting, if it is how you describe "Waking up into differing levels of conciousness" then that would determine they were unconcious,l or getting there at the least.

Illianos.

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What Stabb points out makes lots of sense... I've had some dreams but not like waking up and falling into other... but falling into the same... over and over again... and when it's a nightmare ... it's horrible...



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Repeative Nightmares Are Something Totally Different...Repeative Nightmares Are When Something Tramuatic Happens In Your Life (I.E Childhood, Military Life, Or And Other Experiences) That Is So Tramuatic You Dream About It For Days Sometimes Years On End...

For Example....

Soliders Experience Repeative Nightmares Frequently As A Result Of PTSD (Post Tramuatic Stress Disorder)...The Horrors Of Being A Solider (Especially Those Coming Home From Iraq And The Ones That Served In Previous Wars) Are Very Painful Cause Of The Deaths Of People Our Soliders Are Giving Their Lives For And They Are Protecting Our Country And The Country They Are Stationed In...

Most Soliders That Experience Repeative Nightmares Wind Up On Some Very Anti Psychotic Drugs Or In A Mental Hospital Due To The Nightmares Cause Of The Things They Saw

I'm Not An Expert In Repeative Nightmares Or Solider Life....

I Have Had Repeative Nightmares Before But I've Learned To Conquer Them Through Learning And Conquering My Fears Or What Not



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