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Why is it generally considered "bad" to feed off another's Life force or prana? If one feeds off ambient energy, it is released voluntarily, without any consequence to the subject, n'est-ce pas? If you feed from someone who is able to regenerate quickly and easily, by sleeping or eating a little more, what damage have you done to them?

Is it just the stigma of taking something that does not belong to you? Or does this act actually cause them harm?

When some one rise to feed on, its conscious connects the conscious of swan this is the case the inner of the swan get disturbed.

Some time the feeder is powerful and suck the energy and weaken the swan.

Sometime it damages both side's balance of mind.

I've heard of this and even met a few. I myself wouldn't want to be around someone that wants to feed off me... I don't have much energy do to a number of things, but if anyone has any to spare. I could use it. :)

This is mostly an ethical question really and somewhat metaphysical. There are various beliefs in drawing energy and various ways to do that. Some do this unconsciously. They don't know. Generally they are labeled a psychic leech. It isn't always purposeful.

Others it depends on their own personal philosophies because it is very apparent that not everyone listens to the values of the core of the community or believes in spiritual ideals.

There are those that can draw off energy just to be able to do it for the fun of it in the occult community, so don't believe it is always a vampiric. Since the idea to me of draining someone of all energy is part of myth I don't foresee anyone having the ability to totally damage someone's energy levels. I also believe what harms does it do to have a few donors that willingly allow the feedings. I think this is generally the best way or if you have a variety of ways of feeding. It's an old debate.

I believe all that will happen is the person may become extremely weakened but should gain back the energy by a rest period. Whether it is believed to be ethical or not will depend on the individual. It shouldn't be necessary to feed to that extent really. IMHO

My question is more about why this is considered an ethically bad thing to do, especially if you have a willing donor or just feed off ambient energy.

You should only feed from those who've given permission. Anything other than that is stealing and manipulation.

sheep people waste their energy anyway...so yeah not that bad thing

why is it bad? it's not.
but, is it consensual?
are you being greedy?

whats your own motivation, for feeding?

or

do you Need to, or want to?

That sould be asked, when it comes to feeding?

mm, once while i was traveling my group was joined by another among whom there was an older woman with the loveliest energy i have ever come into contact with.
I think she was the only one who knew though what i was doing, but she did not protest. For the most part people dont notice unless you take too much, whch is rather difficult because people have natural defenses to protect themselves from that precise thing

I was just wondering why it is that when i am alone sometimes i feel really drained of energy and cant get enough energy to even shower but then when some1 calls to go somewhere when i leave i suddenly feel energy ?? anything to this??

Well if I dire psychic energy, I go to space and feast the energy from zero space.

We knows there are not only 7 chakras but there are many chakras in our body and each two chakras makes the ark to stimulate third chakra.

One consciousness student can feed or recove te energy by pulling the energy by these chakras. Its like person goes into breeze and open shoulder and pull aura and happiness.

Feeding is a natural occurance that is played out every day. The act of feeding is perverted by those who fail to understand nature and how raw it truely can be.

I've been around someone who fed off my energy without my consent and it left me very drained. I personally think it is unethical to do this without the donor's consent.

well there is one of two things that people do, that i know of. feeding on blood, or energy. people can choose one over the other. taking energy is much more safe and secret then feeding from blood.
feeding from energy also has minimal risk to either person, but you need more to mkae up for the lack of nutrition. not only that some may have to feed from energy and/or do not kno they are doing it. people who need the energy can get sick or feel weak if they do not feed and when they are around people they will get back to normal beacuse they get the energy. wether they know or not

I believe regardless of the topic at hand, ethics are a matter of personal etiquette that some have and some find challenging to say the least. Subsequent ethics are usually based upon doing what is right for those you work with without regard for purely selfish interests. Managing any situation where social ethics comes into play can be a bit more tricky. In such cases, I would advise following basic protocols and respect if it's an issue...otherwise, use your best judgement.

i dont think it is effically wrong it is normal for vamps and should be respected

the question didn't mention vamps.

and, there are those who feed.. accidentally, draining one.

it is also possible to meet those who it is easy to feed from, as their energies are soo strong...

but, I still think it should be consensual.

Normally Vampires only feed from those who consent and is over the age of consent which is 18

As "energy feeding" has never been shown to be anything other than psychological and emotional effect, I can't see why it would matter whether "permission" is received or not.

Should any scientific studies have been conducted that actually record an exchange of "energy" between "donor" and "feeder" ("vampire"), I would like to hear about them. Until such time, however, I remain quite convinced that such does not actually occur.

Well, I disagree with you, having personally experienced such. But , even so, I believe Michelle Belanger was in a TV dcoumentary that videotaped her feeding and showed with infrared the energy transfer from her donor to her hands. It can probably be found on the internet!

At Isryka, Siberia, many experiments of an unconventional manner are practiced. Many class them as sheer bunkum, yet, Fedorov gave America the rockets that took them to the Moon, way back in 1903.

Just 'coz Ms Belanger and her colleagues cannot, or choose not to, present a doubter with the evidence they require for belief, it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen or work.

Like many, I can get hyped, from someone's enthusiasm: what else is that, but a form of feeding?

Angelus, what you describe (and all others, for that matter) is simply the experiencing of emotional response to stimuli. When watching a movie, listening to music or reading a good book, I also experience the same enthusiasms, joys, despairs and sorrows as I might get from a person. I can also experience all other forms of emotion both positive and negative. None of this is "feeding" or exchanging "energy." It is... feeling emotions, plain and simple, and something we all do.

Thus... I would no more be expected to ask a book or a song for permission to experience such emotions as I would from a person.

As for Michele Berenger... puh-lease. If corellian photography, a debunked photographic process used to supposedly view "auras," is the only evidence that can be found, then time to throw in the towel right now.

The fact is that energy whether kinetic, thermal, electro-magnetic, etc., is quantifiable and can easily be measured in a multitude of ways. Thus, were energy being gained by one while lost in another, there are means of being able to monitor such energy exchanges and interactions should such actually be occurring. And yet... no such scientific studies have ever been attempted by these "vampires" that could and most certainly would show evidence of this.

Ell it can weaken the immune system if done to long over a period of time but I think it's more of a common respect and ethical morals

my thought is this going into large crowds and "skimming of the top" is ok, however to just out and out drain a individual without consent i take issue with.

it is relatively common for people to not realize that people generate energy, and that often times there are things that will alter the vibrations of that energy (emotion in general). But i think feeding is a different matter, as it takes energy from other things, not necessarily a book or song, though both can help a person feel energized.
As for actual energy vamping, there's no certainty that it is an actual thing, but that's how it is for most of magick and energy manipulation in general.

Personally I'd consider that morally wrong...It's taking something very personal from someone without permission. It's not like someone dropped a quarter and you're taking it, it's something that is alive and attached to a person. Whether it harms someone or not, I'd say that it's just impolite.

energy is energy, so I would consider a good thing to take someone's energy when you take its negative one, like their anger, pain, sadness, what is causing them trouble

by doing so you feed yourself but also you releive the person of negativity.

after all energy food is only that energy regardless of its polarity.

In times when my energy is low I rely on mother natures energy instead of humans .The earths energy is free for the taking so you need not worry about draining someone.

Hmm I have something I would like to add. I've formed a very strong psychic link from feeding from someone. It is somewhat unpleasant and I do not recommend it unless necessary. I try to stick to elemental or ambient energy.

the earth is indeed a good source, sometimes just planting litteraly my hands in the gorund, in the dirt, or my feet and toes, and it ressource and renergize me

When you seriously know what your doing it can harm them but if your new to it it may draw back to you and hit you three times fold, just like fire with fireball or playing with fire and the block hits you , back to square one , or it can work and you can feel all the energy you can but in sometime is gonna wear out,

Just like plants need water, some off us need this energy, this life force... Is it right to drain a person, of course not... that would be an abuse in some way...

I think that if you sit in the middle of a park and feed off of the energy of little children, it'd be much welcomed by mothers. Granted, don't go into the ICU of a hospital and try to feed, that'd just be wrong.

There's a time and a place for everything; feeding off of energy is one of those things that need a special time and place.

I've been taken from without permission a couple of times, on surprise at that. Yes they do it, they can do it anytime, but usually feeds on those that produce a nice bright aura or show of plentiful energies being used by said person. To me, it does not matter for sometimes one lacks the energy they need to keep going on their travels, and if i have it to spare or share rather, and i know i can get it back again, then i look at it like bees taking pollen from flowers. It benefits as a whole.

Vampyre Only Feed On Consenting Swans. Swans Must Be Old Enough To Consent To Sex With An Adult, Which Is The Age Of 18. This Is A Special Thing That Should He Held High. I Don't Have A Blood Swan At This Time But They Are Sacred To Us Vampyres.

Please Remember The Black Vail,
Queen Cleopatra

Why would you consider it bad?
Is it bad for the vegetarian to eat a nice salad if hungry?
What about the man eating a nice ribeye steak at a local restaurant?
What about the wild or domesticated animals feeding upon what they may?
It is a must for any living organism to feed, no matter what that nutrient source may be.
Energy feeding, or Psychic Vampirism can be achieved through several ways, wether by physical contact, visual contact or sympathetic contact.
As long as you are not powerful enough to have Awoken the Inner Self, you have no worries of draining another of their lifeforce until death.
Nevertheless greed serves no purpose, waste not want not.
Perhaps if you are having feelings that the taking of lifeforce from unwilling donors is wrong, then you should not be doing it. No offense intended.

if we take it form animals is it going to be able to see the difference between good energy and negative nergy or will it cause harm and unable ot distinguish and then the result will be bad?

The issue in regards to taking without asking is a moral stigma. Though in this age, you know not what practices another has been part of. Energy in general and transfer aspects of one person to another, with that, even some manner of affliction which could bring about weakening you for some time, or in some cases, as a friend of mine had happened, a perfectly laid trap to counter what you're taking and energy wise 'rape' you. Leaving you drained, unable to defend yourself, even, brittle.

Its why finding a donor is important, regardless if you are based around emotional, energy or blood ingestion. Though drawing energy from the world around us, and not from people is an alternative, problem is, it takes dedication, focus and such to be able to absorb the ambient energy about us, and in order to processes it. Not many have the patients to follow such practices.

ALL feeding should be done with permission, so the person who donates may recharge themselves. I would never take from someone, without expression of permit, that's stealing in my opinion.

I have allways taken energy from people whithout asking if I could. It's wasn't before yesterday I knew what it was I did, because I just always done it.
Now I know what it is I do and I am having the same thing..
If I stop taking energy from people I know I'll get out of control and maybe just do something worse, because it affects my mood and common sense.
I never take that much energy from one person, so that they feel sick or depressed, - maybe a little bad..

Anyone who can tell me what it is that I feed? I can not see it and unntill yesterday I found out that what I do wasn't "normal".
My craving is starting to get more intens lately and i have problems controlling myself.
- Never in a million years would I have guessed that I am a vampire! - Didn't even know they excist in real life..

Anyhow, nice that you people write about everything, it helps me understand and learn.

Beth

Then again if it happens to you and make you vulnerable, a different tune might be coming from you.

Beth,

Should you continue the route you are taking, I would suggest being safe, learning protection and means to keep yourself from becoming a target. The worse than is your energy being stolen from you, and being helpless in the process to stop it and knowing it is happening.

Think of the process of being raped on a spiritual level, it will not be something you will ever forget, and in some cases, ever able to recover from.

So please be safe, last thing I wish to see is someone so new to this existence, finding out the hard way.

- Sin

Angelika,

The taking of ambient or static energy is not an issue, you can feed off of nature or a good lighting storm if need be... But you will also find that surface feeding in this manner is inadequate at best.
Those of us who do feed on pranic energy will tell you it is something that is deeply sensitive to both parties, a physical, mental, and emotional experience for both Swan and Vampyre.
The process runs deeper than just reaching into another mans frig and taking his last beer. Just as sex is so much more to a person than the physical act of reproduction, feeding on another persons life force is touching the essence of what they are. It is a shared experience an thus considered immoral to simply take by force.

Angelika asked:
Why is it generally considered "bad" to feed off another's Life force or prana? If one feeds off ambient energy, it is released voluntarily, without any consequence to the subject, n'est-ce pas? If you feed from someone who is able to regenerate quickly and easily, by sleeping or eating a little more, what damage have you done to them?

Is it just the stigma of taking something that does not belong to you? Or does this act actually cause them harm?

My personal opinion on the subject:

It is not generally considered "bad" to feed off of another as long as consent is given. It becomes an issue when there is no consent. Some consider it stealing; some liken it to rape. Either way, it is viewed as unethical because there is no consent. When you are feeding off ambient energy, there is not an issue because it is discarded. The person literally gave it away. As far as someone who is quickly able to regenerate that vital energy, as long as they give consent - they are the perfect donor.

Feeding *can* cause harm to the donor. If you take too much at one time or even over a long period of time. Many speculate that this can lead to a temporary "turning" (for lack of a better word). You know, you have sufficiently drained your donor so they now need to take in extra energy for a while. Of course, once they are back to "normal", the need goes away. Hence, the temporary.

Does this help, Angelika?

QueenCleopatra stated:

Vampyre Only Feed On Consenting Swans. Swans Must Be Old Enough To Consent To Sex With An Adult, Which Is The Age Of 18. This Is A Special Thing That Should He Held High. I Don't Have A Blood Swan At This Time But They Are Sacred To Us Vampyres.

Please Remember The Black Vail,
Queen Cleopatra

I reply:

Please remember that the Black Veil is not followed by all of the community as it is seen as outdated/antiquated/etc... Also, your quote is in regards to blood feeding; the topic of discussion is energy feeding.

Unethical or not there are consequences for every action. Me? If I feed deeply from someone I link to them. Not every link can be cut. The emotions of someone I am linked to can attack me and it's something you really do not want.

Feeding deeply is a form of unity with another, in a manner the only other form of unity you can find close to it is sex. Sex is not simply a form of reproduction but it is one of the few times in which we can unit between God and Goddess.

I think that as long as you have a willing donor it is fine. What seems ethically wrong to me is just going into a crowd to feed. I think you should have enough common decency to ask the person you want to take food from, and also you must think of safety, mass feeding from a crowd can have consequences on ones self.

i personally dont consider it bad....

i revel in it.

~W~

Blessedbe stated:
I think that as long as you have a willing donor it is fine. What seems ethically wrong to me is just going into a crowd to feed. I think you should have enough common decency to ask the person you want to take food from, and also you must think of safety, mass feeding from a crowd can have consequences on ones self.

I reply:
While safety is always a concern, more so for sang feedings than psy feedings, feeding from ambient energy in a crowd has never been considered unethical in the community. You are not taking energy without asking, you are feeding from the energy people are expelling of their own free will. There is a big difference between feeding from one person without their permission and feeding from freely given energies.

Thanks for the information. I had been told that some consider it wrong to feed on energy at all, even with permission. I agree that something freely given should not be a problem, unless the donor has not been informed of the potential consequences of such an act. As stated, illness and weakness may occur, or the linking that was described. I was asking, I guess, from a karmic point of view. Does it alter one's karma in a bad way to feed on another's life-force , even if they are willing?

Karma wise, no, since we share energy constantly amongst each other, the only difference is that we seem to not really offer it back. Now doing so to harm another, feeding into negative emotions simply to get a rush would bring about a karmic backlash, but normal feeding, no, no karma in a negative measure.

QueenCleopatra, not everyone follows the black veil, also not everyone is from the same country, in the UK the age of consent is 16 for sex, in others its 14???

I am of mixed feelings about consent, if its one to one feeding I will ask before I take but if its a party or a rave then im going to take without asking from the group as a whole so it would be impractical to go around asking everone if I can have a little of there energy.

Plus you can always feed from the elements which is freely given.

As for measuring the exchange of energy between feeder and donor using scientific methods. I doubt many feeders would be willing to allow such testing and probably because they do not care if the world knows its being done anyway. Just maybe there are things that science can not explain yet. Its been proven down through history that science is not always right, science is flawed and science often finds out things that it denied decades prior with utmost vehemency

You want something, you ask. you do not assume the right to take. In my opinion, that's nothing short of theft.

How do i stop someone from feeding/draining my energy and soul? the more they take the weaker i am and they are doing this constantly and i have no idea who it is. its get so bad to the point i pass out...

Make a protective sachet pouch filled with dragons blood and sea salt. Wear it on you at all times. It doesn't have to be a big bag

where do i get dragons blood? the only one i know is in erie penn. sorry like i have stated in my profile i had my memroes stolen and therefore need things re told to me.

Dragons blood is a herb which comes in the form of a resin which can be burned or placed in a locket or pouch. You can buy it on the internet if you just do a SIMPLE GOOGLE search

www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAyZ66wLKUw

you might find that useful, its Michelle Belenger on energy shielding. Its pretty interesting and might help.

Be it through food or through an aura, someone is feeding somewhere. In my opinion, it would be with what intention someone feeds. Are you doing it to survive or are you doing it to cause harm? That to me would be the core question.

as feeders we become predators and those being fed from are our victims/prey
like it or not it's the way things are,some have energy donors but then some just create energy in others through emotions and feed from that

There are some out there that unwillingly feed from someones energy without know they are doing it because they have not come to terms with who/what they are or have not fully coming into their full powers to be better able to control it. feeding off one's energy without concent is in fact bad as it has it consequences in which you do not know what kind of energy you are feeding off of. Some people have dark energies to which if you feed off of it, it can sometimes have an ill effect on you, making you sick. It is often a good practice to learn ones energy before feeding, and if a person allows their energies to be open, then by all it is fair game, but if a person does not know they are giving off energy, then no it is not right to feed from them.

At the beginning I would unwillingly take energy from people around my. My best friend at the time had to make herself a medallion to wear when she was around me so I wouldn't take her energy.

I only was able to take more control over it after I came here to VR. My mentor and others gave me very helpfull suggestions on how i can control myself better.

I am pleased to say that I do have better controle now. Although, being a half breed makes it much harder. My wolf half naturally has bounds of energy just waiting to get out, and sometimes I get so wrapped up I start stealing energy again.

I say take all the energy you wish, manipulate it cause chaos. You can do something most cannot, so enjoy it however you wish.

Most people can handle vast energy loss, as they can easily regain it. So to some extent I agree with Bonez, you might as well take as much as you want.

i just believe that it could affect both parties. i think this is why people think that people think bad and negative on this issue

What i don't understand about vampires, is that they want to or believe they must feed from another human being to gain energy. Energy comes from everything we are surrounded by. Perhaps if vampires would consider getting their "fix" elsewhere, then there wouldn't be such issues to exist.

Although this would only apply to energy vampires, not sanguinarians

Ok but sang vampires already have blood in your bodies. It's not like you're in a body without blood, so why do you believe you need MORE of it? It generally makes no sense at all.

But as s aang if i need something I'll have the courtesy of asking. I just won't target someone to feed from, and take it w/o permission

Interesting thread but can someone please explain how the exchange of energy is any different for a vampire, to the 'buzz' I get from being in a large crowd.

I'm not vampire yet I feel the energy from crowds of folk, or even people on their own - energy can be positive or negative to me depending on the mood of the people around me.

I'm not an 'empath' either although I am empathetic.

DivineBlood, you do have a point with many things containing energy, but it come down to the kind of energy that the Vampire can tap in to. Many find people far easier to feed from, also many find that the energy of people is stronger and generally feels better. Although there are elemental vampires, not all vampires have learned to feed that way, or want to...or can, I suppose. I always find people easer to draw energy from.

As for Sang vampires, different people claim different things, but generally if it is the energy they are getting from the blood that is why they are taking it. Its not just the blood its self, the blood is simple a conduit for the energy.

Then again there are some sang vampires who believe that it is something in the blood its self that they require that is possibly depleted from their own bodies hence the necessity for external blood consumption.

Sulks, in a way its very similar. And after feeding many vampires do get a buz like you said. But in their case it is necessary to do so as many believe that there energetic system is some how faulty and so they need the input of external energy to help them stay healthy....as they can not retain or create enough energy themselves they take it from others.

......if that makes sense?

Although it really does differ from person to person what the believe behind it is.

I must say though I do feel sorry for the poor souls that cant handle it. I wish them all the best of luck in there practice

Thanks Chalk. So, vampires need the energy, whereas I simply get a buzz out of it and don't need it to survive. That makes sense.

Yeah but who determines that it's needed and how would anybody know that everybody that claims to be a vampire aren't just doing it for the high?

That's a matter of personal choice, I believe. You choose what type of energy is required for you, then discover means ro attain that.

Most vampires rule out all other options first, getting tested for many other possible causes for the symptoms they are experiencing before settling on a realisation of vampirisem.

Many will go as far as stopping feeding for an extended period of time to test them selves. If they truly need to feed their symptoms will get worse and they will get very ill.

i do start to just feel tired all the time when i am in a situation where im unable to feed for an extended period.
its very distracting.
~W~

Then I suggest be away from people and recharge by meditation.

Yes stay away from people and maybe even walk among a wooded area and meditation out sight if possible!

To feed is to be a parasite. However, if you have good motives such as feeding to help others, that isn't bad. That's more of a symbiotic relationship.

If you're not hurting the person you're feeding off of, by all means, go for it. Sit in a park full of ADHD kids- I'm sure the mothers would thank you.

Billions of People do this every day when we interact with one another,so I cant say that it is immoral and dont feel that anyone needs any kind of permission .

I mean unless you are going to suck em skinny, like they did in Lifeforce.I personally have never heard of anyone being capable of that however.

I used to live with someone who fed off me frequently, but he could never seem to get enough to make me feel weak. He liked having me around. He said that he could see my aura and it was nearly blinding. He said that there was something different about me as if I was just a doorway and the energy was coming from someplace with an unlimited supply. I never knew what to make of it.

The way i see it is simple! If you draw energy from a someone, it will decrease it's normal state that the person is use to... it can affect the way he will act and respond around him.

When we loose energy our moral is affected, it the same as being really tired, when i'm tired, i'm usually really in a bad mood and aggressive with other... this can change the day of everyone that will cross my path this day!

Serrein

To me it is not a bad thing so long as you don't take to much. When I feed on energy I am carful to limit my dosage just like with blood. A little at a time is fine but if its some you love it's best to be causous and withhold the urge

Lately, I feel myself becoming weak. Everyone around me seems to be unintentionally sucking me dry. I wish I knew what to do about it.

The thing is that everyone "feeds" off of everyone all the time. It's energy exchanges all the way. Different people have different set ups and handle their energy exchanges in different ways. Some are more like broadcasters and others are more like suckers. Put two suckers together and things start to get painful ...

Becoming aware of one's energy exchanges is a really good thing, you can then start to do stuff about that in many different ways. It's really bad when people don't know and end up thinking they're depressed or insane or something.

I have such an over flow of energy it is crazy! I make so much of my own & then feed so im like constantly wired!

My wiccan sister even had to make a charm for herself to where because of it.

I personally would not appreciate someone feeding off me sans permission. In my opinion that's the same as picking my pocket. That's theft, pure and simple.

A lot of people are severely depressed not because they have not enough energy, but because they can't get rid of te energy they got.

Like the little guy said in "Magnolia" - "I have so much love to give but I don't know where to put it!"

So it compresses in on itself and becomes stale.

Allowing people to give you energy by dropping shields to them and taking whatever they've got to give can be superior service to many.

But they should also be ready to receive that energy as well. And, if you overload them, then you create stress and imbalance. So just give them what they need and keep your own energy in balance.

Energ aslo ecapes naturly from your bodyas you go about your day. You use up that energy when doing simple tasks. I guess thatltte bit o excessalone is ough for some people.

Yes Star,and that is what we do as social belings every day.Exchange these "energies".

Yes social exchange is in a way energy exchange However when someone juat wants to feed off others in a duplicitous manner should be ashamed

To me it is exactly the same thing Mel.I dont believe in Psy vampires .Other than those who thrive on controversy.THOSE people wear you down because they are constantly irratic. In other words,I see regular peeps doing the exactly what the psy does every day.

I have always had mixed feelings about the term psi vampire, and whether these people actually exist as a supernatural force. In the 9 Satanic Statements they warn against people who act like psychic vampires.

How can a subtle energy or people who exchange them be considered a supernatural force Mel?

Being a psi Vampire is much more complicated then you may think. & you don't have to be completely psichyc to be one.

Every creature works with the energy around them this is true, but a psi vamp draws it in not as just energy but as a force of food. It reacts different to those bodies & is more fully obsorbed then just picking up hints from the energies swirling around you.

I'm not trying to change anyones belief. I'm just setting my side out there.

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