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The media called him a "Vampire". First, where exactly does his behavior reflect "our" society and second is it fair for the media to throw labels on criminals becuause of their gruesome acts. Claux does not proclaime to be a vampire.

The story:
On Nov. 15, 1994, officers of the Parisian "Brigade Criminelle" arrested 22-year-old Nicolas Claux outside the world famous cabaret Moulin Rouge on suspicion of the murder of Thierry Bissonnier, 34. Bissonnier's October 4 killing was one of a string of homosexual murders, seven of which occurred in October alone. The murder squad's preliminary investigator, Gilbert Thiel, believed that a single killer was responsible and was eager to get Claux back to headquarters for questioning. Claux says that Thiel, veteran of several high-profile cases, was not prepared for the web of murder, cannibalism, and sadistic acts that he had woven in his short lifetime.

The following account includes several narrations by Mr. Claux to provide a better window on a killer's life and crimes. Some of Claux's commentaries, delivered in writing, have been edited, polished, and arranged for a more narrative flow.

Claux: "Following my arrest I was taken back to the Parisian Crime Department for questioning. Unbeknownst to me, crime scene investigators were already in the process of exercising a search warrant on my apartment at 9 Rue Coustou. Inside they found a .22-caliber handgun under my bed, which they immediately sent off for ballistics tests. While they were probably not surprised to have found the pistol, they were almost certainly not prepared for the grisly scene that welcomed them.

"Throughout my apartment, bone fragments and human teeth were scattered about like loose change; vertebras and leg bones hung from the ceiling like morbid mobiles, and hundreds of videocassettes, mostly slasher and hardcore S&M flicks, filled my shelves. One can only imagine what went through the minds of the investigators as they looked around my living quarters. On one wall hung a bullet-riddled target, while across the room sat a TV set with jars of human ashes resting on top of it. Several bondage magazines were piled in a far corner, and nearby my backpack was found, which contained handcuffs, surgical instruments and duct tape. In addition to my tastes and choice of décor, investigators also discovered several stolen blood bags inside of my refrigerator."

Crimelibrary.com

so whats the question?

It is stories such as this that give the Vampiric community a bad name. As you state nowhere does he claim to be a vampire just a sick twisted person.

The questions are as stated above:


First, where exactly does his behavior reflect "our" society?

Second, is it fair for the media to throw labels on criminals becuause of their gruesome acts?

I dont see where that guy had anything to do with vampires to even be called one. Secondly it makes it sound like vampires are these psycho killers or something.

Thank you Tego, very astute of you. The Media has no right whatsoever to go flinging labels around that have no right to be used. As I mentioned, label him correctly, a monster, amurderer or freak, but they had no right throwing the word vampire into the mix.

There shouldn't an "our" label in your question.That is putting a group label...or resricition on people just like the media does.The media takes liberties on what they say and who they bash.As long as people watch te news and buy tabloid mags.The labels and "made" up storylines will preveil.They used "Vampire" to get people to react to the atory...much like you did and get more people to read it and discuss it...much like we are here.

Good point there for sure. we do need to monitor the way we put our words to prevent becoming like them indeed.

TheDarkWolf:

I said "our" refering to people here at VR as only VR members will comment. This is the purpose of the forum - to discuss, to have intelligent dialogue. Notice the header for the general forum -"Threads about Vampire Rave or of a vampire, gothic, occult, or paranormal nature". Hence the word Vampire as it read on the website.

Either way thanks for telling me what should or shouldn't be in my post...

BTW, you didn't answer the question. Thanks for wasting my time.

Don't GIVE me attitude...I know about VR and how everything works.DO NOT talk down to me like I know nothing.As for intelligence,I have more then you could ever realize.The "OUR" as in VR and the members,that you didn't mention...was referring to you labeling "vampires" as a group not as individuals.Maybe if you read what people actually say...you would learn more instead of acting holier then thou.

I answered your question..the media labeled him a "Vampire" to get more people to read the article.Weither or not he was one is irrelavant.So that people like you would comment and spread the story around for others to discuss and debate on the "Vampire" community is a topic to take legal matters with.

As far as the media goes they shouldnt label, but yet they do. Whats sad is that the media loves to go ofter things like this because it keeps people glued to the tv & it sells. Honestly, how often do you hear about anything goodon a news channel anyways? Not often as far as i can tell. I think we know that he isnt a vampire at all, just a demented guy that needs a nice crisp clean straight jacket for many years to come. People think bad about our "culture" already so all it does is just add fuel to the fire. Here on VR we know its not true, so why should it matter? We know who we are & what we arent. Besides, give the story a few days to a week, it'll die down & most people will forget they ever heard it on tv.

these stories give the Vampire community or even the gothic one a bad rep.

I think that they should have done a better job of investigation.Why should he be labeled a "vampire", if he clearly states "that he is not a vampire"? Thats what I want to know.

The uneducated will always 'fling' names, call scapegoats and unfairly judge someone based on what little they know.

Sadly, the first thing people think about are vampires when it deals with a lot of blood and carnage. Guilty by association, is the phrase that pops into my mind.

I could propose a new question. How could the vampire community deal with this, so that in future, society no longer links them with similar acts?

Very well put Jens.

Media has to 'write things out in crayon' so to speak, so that everyone can understand. Let's face it, which mental picture do you think stands out more:

Man accused of gruesome acts... etc..

or

Vampire of Paris finally captured.... etc...

hat makes no since i see nothing about him drinking blood or any behavior about being a vampire ...just a really really messed monster

Please excuse my previous tyrade. A small miscommunication before my morning coffee. Perhaps next time I will word the question better.

Jens poses the best question for solving the bad P.R. problem associated with the word "vampire." Change the name of the v. community. Something like D.N.S.F. (donors needed safety first).

tis a sad sad world when the media potrays a sick and twisted individual as a vampire.....tis a shame to take a wonderful and terribly misunderstood creature such as a vampire and make is a joke by the media

Well put Jens I think that those that live a "Vampiric" life should possibly in some way be out own best ambassadors and portray and carry ourselves in a positive fashion within our communities so that they know that though our lifestyle is "different" we are still a positive community that does no harm.

I don't think it reflects on vampire society at all. the majority of people in the world don't believe vampires or societies exist so giving someone a label is just a convenient way of shorthanding what they have done. the media does it all the time when they call someone a monster and no-one seems to care about that

On Nov. 15, 1994, officers of the Parisian "Brigade Criminelle" arrested 22-year-old Nicolas Claux outside the world famous cabaret Moulin Rouge on suspicion of the murder of Thierry Bissonnier, 34. Bissonnier's October 4 killing was one of a string of homosexual murders, seven of which occurred in October alone. The murder squad's preliminary investigator, Gilbert Thiel, believed that a single killer was responsible and was eager to get Claux back to headquarters for questioning. Claux says that Thiel, veteran of several high-profile cases, was not prepared for the web of murder, cannibalism, and sadistic acts that he had woven in his short lifetime

bettydavis2 -

I don't think that has anything to do with the 'gothic' label.

But stories like a few of the school-shootouts that have happened such as Columbine do.

I do not think he was a vampire and you're right he doesn't even claim to be one

Media really has not right to but in to some one's personal life. No matter what they have done or who they are.

its not right to throw out labels like that, but unfortunately that is what the media does. its how they get ratings and people to read the papers and such.

There is nothing in his statement that shows that he could be a vampire. He is just plain nuts! lol. The media is shameless, all they care about is their story and ratings, they will say anything to get a plug. Thats the way of the world and its never going to change.

Oh I thought you were talking about yourself and your place… which sounded cool but the duck tape n handcuffs was not so odd lol

Very unusual hobby, probably developed thanks to a horrific undereducation, wich resulted in nonabillity of expressing one self. We all know how we all lose it eventualy, containing energies, wich is not natural at all. Sometimes a person just breaks/twists under the constant pressure(especially if one has no abillity to recognise the pressure at all), and decides to alter its signature in a very drastic way. He forgot to mention the smell.

First, where exactly does his behavior reflect "our" society?

i dont think it does, at all. the only thing thats even slightly "vampiric" are the blood bags. but still, i dont even know anyone who claims to be a 'sang vamp' who has that. so..

Second, is it fair for the media to throw labels on criminals because of their gruesome acts?

no. thats really reduiculous. just. in short, rediculous. that guy might have been crazy but i know quite a few sane people who possess a few of those objects listed.

I don't think he was actually a vampire either

I don't think he was actually a vampire either

I think it was just a pathetic attempt of the media to put something as outrageous as that in a box so it would be easier to catch people's attention. Now I don't quite regret why I avoid watching the news.