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We have all read the books, we've all seen the movies and heard the stories. Vampires, kith and kin exist. Does that mean the same for Slayers?

I have my own views on this, but I would like to hear from my VR friends on this. . .

Some sample questions:

Do they all look like Van Helsing?

Are they all just mere mortals?

do they have "special" abilities that allows them to detect the supernatural?

I have never encountered one myself but i believe fully that they exist.. in the same as that to this day witch hunters still exist.

my personal opinion on the matter is that slayers more than likely would be practicers of witchcraft in some way (no, im not dissing that, i myself am a proud witch/wiccan), as it would account for ways to track us, or create charms to bind our powers.

on the idea of wether or not they are human, i cant say. id like to believe that our own kind wouldnt turn their backs and hunt us, but in todays judgmental society one cannot say

not all hunters hunt for sport or pleasure.

sometimes they can be used as a measure of control.

i am sure they are real, as far as "powers" it would depend on the hunter they like all of us are individuals and we could no more predict what they look like as someone trying to predict when the world will end

Yes... "Slayers" (i.e., dhampirs) do exist. Dhampirs, with rare exception, are female and usually work in tandem with men belonging to the oldest and most fanatically bloodthirsty group of assassins known on this planet. The "dhampir" is able to discern the vampire though usually is not the one to actually do the slaying, which task usually belongs to the men with whom she works. The "dhampir" is of the Rephaite bloodline and, thus, possesses the same "dark gift" characteristic for which the Vampire is historically known (... and has nothing whatsoever to do with sang or pranic "feeding").

Usually, "dhampirs" are raised in extremely religious environments, trained by fanatics to hate their own kind and, thus, seek their own bloodline's extinction. Only through the instillment of such self-loathing through the brainwashing via such fanatical religious fervor (of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic variety) can these Rephaite children be so murderously turned against their own.

In modern times, they are identified and "recruited" for such brainwashing at an extremely young age, culled mostly from Eastern European and Russian orphanages.


- Upir'

Very interesting.

Question: Do you believe Slayers and hunters are the same?

Slayers and hunters are not the same...

I've known a hunter, and not all hunters "slay" their victims. Slayers could be mostly known as vigilantes and/or just murderers.

A hunter, as a matter of fact, may stalk, prey on, expose or in some cases end the life of another. Hunters enjoy the thrill of the chase, can be for religious fervor, or revenge.

or for hire, in my experience. for money, favor, etc.

you hope they are doing it for money, it is truly scary when they are killing because of a fanatic belief

Agreed, money has been involved, but that is found far and few between.

Sadly, in my experience, even if asked, some won't do it for money, moreover, the challenge or for the favor.

but it still not out of the equation...

I think more people would kill if they knew that they wouldnt be caught

Time to pop the perverbial roleplay bubble *POP*

Not to step on your toes Upir, my friend...

Upir mentioned that "Slayers" do exist, while in some instances the church did hire individuals who past certain tests back in the day to take care of vampires of folklore, I would like to see some records of actual events where slayers were sent out to destroy said folkloric figures.

Whether or not the church still does it to this day is unknown since most of the stuff the church does in context is always kept under wraps from the general public.

Now onto hunters:

There are such titles as hunters... they are real, they do exist, they are physical manifestations. most of them are mental, yes. Some of them have committed murder to innocent individuals whom the hunters thought were actual vampires.

Such an example is:

Police say man believed woman to be a vampire -

"Lockport Police Det. Capt. Richard Podgers said, 'Well, he made some utterances in his confession, thought she was a vampire, and just wanted to kill her.' "

Referenced from here

As you can see, the "hunter" syndrome does happen in real life.

Then we have another example (just bear in mind that the "slayer/hunter" scenerio is the same thing in this context. Just because roleplayers take things too far more often then not, doesn't mean they are any less dangerous of actual criminal mischief or acts thereof):

"Dear Steve,

Ok so like I said I would write you this letter... Its been making me a nervous wreck even thinking of writing it... I Don't exactly know where to start off... All I can say. is in these 'letters' I'm writing to you. you may refer to me as Lynne.

O.k number one question Everyone who knows about me..(not many) is 'Why dont you kill me when you know I am a vamp?'

answer.. Well, first off (steve should know what im saying here) you have obvioulsy not tryed to harm anyone infront of me..(believe me infront of me is a wide area) anyhow, back to what I was saying.. I am here to protect the innocent.I do not care if you continue to be yourself as long as no one gets hurt on my watch.

Question number 2 How do you do it?, Your so small...

Answer.....Please dont think small framed people cant be slayers.. that as a vampire would be the number one mistake. and not a very good feeling one either.just trust me on that....

I opened my self up to Steve one night by crawling into his room (even though he had hacky ( a very large blade as a picture on the referenced site notes) that he coulda tryed to kill me or I coulda killed him with it..)and I awoke him and told him that I am a slayer. because I thought i could trust him.(boy am I glad I was right) Been best friends since.

I really dont know what else to write if I get questions or comments Trust me I will respond."

Referenced from here

Even roleplay machinations move people to write letters of discouragement or admittance to premeditated acts of voilence, should be taken as seriously as any other threat out there.

The site even includes an accusation of how to spot a "hunter", whether the conclusion is true or not rests on the individual. But again, I would take all people who claim to be either "slayers" or "hunters" seriously because things like the first link at the top could be the outcome.

It's all fun and games until something fatal happens.

FateUnseen: I agree. On the other hand, I think there would be less violent crimes if the ones performing those crimes understood that there would be swift retribution.

wsoulshroudew: i agree with you as well. the role playing scene has taken the world over, through many forms. but then again, man has been doing that for a loooooong time. it's the ones that have trouble with thier grip on the current reality that take things too far. i was a role player for many years, and i've see a great many things from a RP mindset, the imagination can be astounding! I also saw people so caught up in the "game", either it was hard for them to discern one reality from the next, or they just didn't want to accept the one that didn't suit them.

sometimes slaters and hunters have this problem.

I would also like to mention: i understand that this is VR, but slayers and hunters are not exclusive to vampires. there are all kinds of slayers, all kinds of hunters (I think someone touched on this before). For every species, genus, race, (if you will) there is a "hunter class" for them. it's all part of a balance.
of course, this is my belief. . .

True modern-day vampires aren't the monsters of legend. So I don't think there are any legit "slayers" out there. No sane ones, anyway.
Just the same as there are some crazy folks who believe that they are the monsters of legend, I'm sure there are some crazy folks who believe they need to kill vampires.

To answer your very, very first question in this thread, no, I don't think they all look like Van Helsing, rofl.


As Memoir mentioned before me, the "vampires" of today are nothing like the monsters of old, so I doubt that there are any of the old-style "slayers" about either.

Granted, I could be dead wrong, but I doubt I am.

no, i seriously doubt you are wrong. like everything else, i must assume slayers and hunters have evolved as well.

Ok stupid question, what exactly is a slayer?

From my perspective, a slayer is a hunter with full intention of killing their victim.

Since we are not living in the Middle ages, I believe anyone who would claim these titles to need to be picked up by the men in little white coats. I do read articles where people have killed others because they are impressionable or sometimes have mental illness and imagine someone is a vampire of fictional accounts. They commit murder or harm someone. Especially these days, one sees headlines of people of this ilk. It's sad but true.

There have been accounts where modern vampires have kidnapped people and drained their blood using syringes, however unless in self-defense or the defense of those they care about I can see your point. Just had to be difficult.

I would have to agree with Upir and Soulshroud on their individual points...much of any fanatical pursuits of such hunters and slayers is utilized through religion-based ethics that if followed to the extremes...as sited...turns into madness and you end up with people falling off the deep end of what they deem as right and wrong in justifiable death regarding those they target.

Question is...what of hunters/slayers who have passed on through life untrained and not brought up to believe in such ideals if one is to follow the definition of the slayer as described by my friend Upir? Considering that, I'd say that Slayers do not look like Van Helsing ...unless he's wearing Victoria's Secret..o.O

As stated before, i agree with issuing self-love jackets to those who take things past the deep end. it's behavior like this that gives people like us a bad rap. unfortunatly, it happens though.

I am considered a hunter by my kith and kin outside VR. I am not considered a slayer. The definitions, either by "webster's" or by society a mutually exclusive.
I also understand that I don't know everything. With that said, I wanted to see how others, (namely you) see hunters and slayers, and whether they were seen as separate or the same.

Thank you all for your input. I have learned much.

~Waylander

Interesting post.... question and answers were well read..

i for one know there are hunters and slayers and respect them for what they do. do i like it? no but i respect it. as he said, it keeps balance and balance is much needed just as white needs black, night needs day and so forth.

sadly some merely think they are a hunter or slayer but alas find the hard way they are not... and yet few can be truely taught and others are born with this gift.... and make no mistake it is a gift they are born with and given just like many of us are born with gifts though we might find them to be a curse from time to time.

"ESSE QUAM VIDERI"

I was a "hunter" as well, but that time is past and people grow older. I found it easier to teach others respect and patient. One's that are awakening are easier to teach than those who've been in it for year... I leave the hunting to younger people nowadays if the occasion ever called for it.

There is many misconceptions of on both sides of the topic as there is misconceptions between people and vampires.

I think some hunt for the pleasure of it, and some hunt because they feel they need to. They perceive that which is different as a threat that needs to be dealt with. It almost seems to be certain sense of prejudice in society that no one is really safe from. The ones that hunt due to spiritual beleifs I could actually respect.

You are a hunter of Vampires Waylander?

I hunt whoever or whatever my High Priestess tells me to. I haven't hunted any Vampires, though. Most of my hunts have been non-magicals, (or muggles for you Potterites out there.)

However, I am no slayer.

Ok...I have a question for any slayers...

Do you hunt vampires in order to slay (kill) them, and if so, how do you reconcile that given that killing anyone for any reason is wrong (public law forbids it) in our society?

I simply do not understand this so thanks for any answers given :D

Yes...good question Sulks...:) I also would be inquiring to know if any of the Slayers out there know Buffy and Angel...;) Just kidding...:P

Waylander, if you hunt nonmagickals and such...yet you are not a slayer..then do you collect bounty on what you track down?

hmmm...o.O ...thoughts of the Repo Man are coming to my frazzle-rocked mind...@_@

i believe they are of exsistance cause i know somewhere along time ago i use to have dreams i was a slayer and hunting demons to fight for my right too live....

i contentiously had the same dreams over and over but then again i don't know if it was real or me trying to help the guy above me, in battle...
thats my thoughts on this,

I was reading earlier today about the Dhampir of Balkan folklore and considering what I read here and there on the web, dhampir is literally translated "vampire's son" and were considered to be quite ugly to look upon. Women considered descendants of vampire fathers were called Dhampiresa. The Albanian transliteration is interpreted as one who "drinks with teeth."

If Dhampir/esa are considered the hunters/slayers of vampires and their families, regarding the descriptives given, I can only wonder how much of what is made available to the general public on the topic at hand is not entirely altered by the centuries of changing cultures influenced by religion and politics of each age? How much does anyone really know much less can we cite from confirmed sources that are not exaggerated by superstitious villagers? What if all that we suppose, discuss, or propose is nothing more than a well-worn urban legend from 1000's of years ago?

Slayers have that "I don't give a shit" attitude. And that's fine, but when you bring in the destruction that they make - that's not okay.

They are basically racist. Killing beings that aren't necessarily 'human'.


I believe in revenge. But to harm someone or something just because they are different?... That's not cool.



Dolor*

No, I do not collect a bounty on those that I hunt. I have a Master, (my HPS) and I hunt who she tells me to hunt. My path does not allow me to make profit for what I do. I hunt only, no violent killings or destruction. I have met those who call themselves slayers, but I do not associate with them, for many reasons.

Merry Meet
Both exsist. I may only be a 13 year old. And newily awakened at that. But vamipre blood has always run through my veins and it is because of that I have been hunted befoe.
On the note of wether they are super-natural mortals of just ignorant humans wanting a thrill. Some are dangerous others just stupid
Hunters, or slayers I see no difference. Both are out to kill my brothers, and sisters so I'd say they deserve death more than any one else.(No Offence To Anyone.) But anyone who is willing to Attempt to kill a Vampire child deserves death.
I may be young but I'm smarter than many slayer & Hunters. After all I'm still alive.
I believe they were created out of fear. For what is stronger and out of a humans control its instinct for them to elimanate us. Where's the pride in that?
Merry Part

ive met a couple, they are real, they usually are religious fanatics, and frankly not very bright.

in my experience tho, they arent very dangerous, just irritating.
~W~

Regarding this posting

" News Story Link "

On a serious note in order to adequately answer the question of Slayers you must have the proper perspective.

People who claim they are hunters, vampire slayers or those who go around to message boards saying this are just lonely kids looking for some attention.
Anyone who really went around murdering people... and lets face it that is what we're talking about here - wouldn't advertise that on a message board, profile, email messages, or public forums.
So if you have run into one it was because he was trying to kill you!!
I'm not sure how many of us can say that they have endured that experience but I betting it's close to none.

So in the end all of this analysis of Slayers and Vampire Hunters is for the most part nothing more than rumors and speculation based on hearsay...

A mental masturbation for the excessively bored.

Do you feel better, Severus... after that mental masterbatory excercise in common sense?

I deeply believe that if we exist, then they must exist. I personally have never met one or care to but I have seen historical vampire slayer kits. Quite funny, but it brings the question-ability that they are out there.

Sarcasm is my natural defensive system... I apologize if I offended anyone for simply expressing their opinions on the topic, that was not my intention.

I was simply aiming for the clarity of what is real and what is truth. I believe you should only speak that which you know to be true, even if it is only a personal truth. Way to often the VR Main Forums are use to fulfill personal goals and agendas verse real debate and conversation.

What are you apologizing for ~Severus~? Your post was valid and with merit.

I was just laughing at the mental masterbation statement.

Ok, slayers/ hunters.... My personal experience is thin in this area. However I do know of people who have had threats and one had her house ransacked by some loony toon. I've run across some who claim to be hunters, I tend to ignore them unless they threaten me personally. If so, "911? Yes there's some nut here who threatened to kill me, thinks he's a vampire hunter". Next to arrive will be the guys with the white coats. Problem solved.

Now if the idiot pulls a weapon, In Virginia you have the legal right to defend yourself if under attack. You have the legal right to use enough force to stop an attack. Plus side to living here is that you can carry a gun openly, and you can get a concealed permit as well (provided you take a course, pass a background check, ect). That alone tends to be a BIG deterrent to causing problems.

As far as magickal means, they are welcome to use them. I've known some people in the Pagan community who have used a few binding spells, but I've not known them to actually attempt to harm any of my people (Septum Civis). We make it a point not to harm others and we only feed off consenting adults, that takes care of a lot of problems and most hunters would rather go after those who do harm others.

It is rather amusing about how many actually take this crap seriously... real slayers? Come on... you can't expect me to believe that their are actual slayers for vampi/yres do you?

Hunters maybe, you know... the mental cases out there that police departments have on file for killing people who they thought were vampi/yres. Maybe... take a knife and stab someone once through the chest plate, they will die... not a vampi/yre. Anything staked through the heart will die, duh.

But if anyone actually believes this crap, is just as naive as those who think there are actual 200+ year old vampires out there, i.e. one Lord Desmond Beckwith, who claims to have been the model for Anne Rices Interview With The Vampire. Give me a friggin break people!

*exiting fantasy world in ...3 ...2 ...1*

Not all hunters are mental cases. . .

at least that's what the voices in my head say. . .

my thoughts on slayer i'm not sure if is myth i'm not sure of anything i really wish to think is real but i have not seen one so therefore i don't think they exist

I've had doubts that they really exist,although I was told there is actually a secret societe of them somewhere in the US.

Unfortunately slayers do exist, and as sad as it is, they do also kill people like you and I. Most certianly its always because of ignorance and intolerance, its the fact they believe individuals with our condition are creatures of pain, suffering, abominations not meant for this world.

The truth is, we, like them were born into this world as any others, unfortunately with a deficiency that has rendered us with a lack of essence. So in order to keep ourselves from wasting away, becoming weakened, we must find our own means to survive.

Them

there will always be those who will seek to destroy what they do not understand.

they see themselves as defenders and heros.

Us

as vampires and outsiders, slayers give us something to focus our fears on.

something that is stronger than even a vampire and is determined to kill vampires is the stuff of scare stories

mortals have their bogey man and we have our slayers

Fear, I do not fear slayers, I do not fear death. Death is the next step, the next transition before the rebirth to continue the cycle once more.

The way you make it sound its as if we are different than man, than slayer, when in all, there is only a few differences that separate us from the others.

As there are others who are aspected for animals and mythical creatures, we are aspects of a defect within the spirit that causes us to suffer.

I have my own personal beliefs on this, after years of study, understanding, views change differently.

We are them, they are us, in this, there is no true difference other than the fact that they are willing to kill another living, sentient being out of fear, hatred, misunderstanding, instead of understanding the true depths of the reality.

- Sin

that's also a matter of perspective; the "reality" part. no one being is in the same reality. you see things differently from me, me from her, her fdrom a cat, etc. it's the combinations of all these perspective realities that weaves the fabric of existence.

and some people are just plain nuts. . . .

Where is the need for a slayer of vampires? I mean,if vampires are not slaughtering people left and right,and even asking permission to get blood these days,where is the threat ?
Truthfully,it does not add up in this day and time to have slayers out there to slay someone who does not need slaying.

Killers, Slayers its what have you in regards to these sort of individuals, yet regardless there are individuals like that in this world.

Yes,there are people like that out there and they are a threat to everyone.

What I am not understanding is why people on websites such as this go on about their fear of Slayers and having to hide, but I see the exact opposite actually happening.
There are hundrreds of forums where self proclaimed vampires talk openly about it and make their claims openly ,while working and researching hard to find anything that will support their claim..or, I will say beliefs.
So why the fear now? Is it really a reason to hide simply because someone might not agree or believe?

As for any slayer being immortal? My answer is a resounding no.They are no more immortal than the ones they supposedly hunt.
As far as any special powers? Again,I would say no.No more than any one of us who are empathetic or whatever.
I think when people stop laying claim to being something other than human,much of the controversy will diminish.

Special powers are inherent in all people, its basically through the direction of ones will and mental focus, one can find a way to manipulate the energy of the world around them in subtle ways.

However other than the devotion, dedication to unlock such potential, Hunters, us, and other individuals do not have anything special.

The only true thing that is immortal is the soul, the body, is simply another form of clothing in which at the rise of the moon, we shed, only to ware again upon the rise of the sun.

- Sin

Thank you for taking the time and thought to answer.
And I agree for the most part,but I still cannot find anything that makes a Vampire a Vampire.They really dont do anything special or different than many other people.
As far as energy manipulation and such.
So Im not sure what makes someone believe they are one,or how in reality their bodies "change".

The difference in the aspect of Vampyre in the manner of those like us, is the fact that its a spiritual diffiencey that we endure. What happens is our connection to the spiritual connection of life does not properly give us the energy we need to feel 'proper.' In this we suffer hunger and like anyone who suffers from hunger, the more primal aspect comes to light when we feel as if we are starving.

In this people learn to manipulate energy, emotional or other, to help keep us from falling a part or suffering our own dementedness from letting go.

A spiritual deficiency? That's almost an oxymoron...@_@

Severus...they deleted my tease earlier in the thread..no insults were taken...:)

Anyhoots...o.O I have found in my own observations of spiritual zealots...whether or not they operate under the guise of Slayers, Vampires, Werewolves, Otherkin, Humans...oh wait..don't forget...Pastors, Preachers, Teachers, Priests...the Taliban...the Knights of the Round Table..Robin Hood and his Merry Men....o.O Hold on to your hats...



I shall take a moment now to thank God that I never fell for that most genuine of anecdotes in my youth..."You have epilepsy..that means you're possessed by the Devil...we will pray for your healing...O.O" or...how 'bout this one..my all time fav'...:D "The T.V. is the Devil and will drag you all to HELL!!!!"

I remember vaguely shaking that man's hand as I left the services...who asked how I liked the sermon..I simply replied..."uh..tv is the Devil?...surely you don't believe that..if you'd like to meet him for real..come on over..he lives with me and my mom."...@_@

As for Slayers..are they real?...are they not?...the answer to that question shall pervade in debate as long as the ongoing squabbles regarding "real" vampires, weres, and otherkin.

okay..now that's weird...o.O the one statement I made in the midst of my above contribution was simply this...

"The only deficiency in spirituality is ignorance."

My Covenant and many other main steam covenants and Hiouses don't share in an ideology where Vampirism is seen as "spiritual deficiency". A defect which requires us to feed... It is in fact the opposite. Our consciousness is awakening to high states and thus we are consuming more energy than our physical bodies produce. The need to feed on alternative energies is in "the imbalance" and not any defect of biology.

and I concur with Ocean... No threat will eventually translate into no need. The slayer is a skill and trade craft that is in decline.

Wither you believe what I said or not, believe that each has their own understaning and beliefs on the manner of what we experience.

As for you Hawk,

Believe what you want, but don't insult yourself. Try reading through Tantric guides, Hinduism, Buddhism, try reading through some of the more spiritual texts that have been in practice for nearly ten thousand years which out weigh more than most of the religious texts that date back for three thousand years.

At that point, then understand this world is simply an aspect of a pain in which we must endure until we are truly awakened and re-unit with 'God,' regardless of the face in which it presents to us.

Try? Insult Myself? hmm..you have me confused as I was merely alluding to the fact that religious zealotry is often based on self-induced ignorance of the pain of others in this world, regardless of however many ancient tomes you claim to have gone through. It matters not, neither does the face of God as the Creator puts forth its Presence through many aspects in the hearts of every sentient being.

What part of any of this has to do with religious zealotry? You believe in one thing and voiced it, so has everyone else along with I. Each of us a different perspective, all I ask is that before coming in and pretty much telling everyone they are delusional, to take in the fact that there is more to all of this than what you throw out there. Some of the oldest texts and even current ones speak of souls disconnected or even awakened enough to draw upon the world.

That isn't a religion, its a thought, a being, a manner in which many awaken into, only a few truly accept what we we are.

- Sin

Sin,how would that be exclusive to vampires though? Or a symptom?

Some times we awakening by accident, other times we awaken by a choice. This choice comes to us in dreams, in meanings and idea that come from things foreign, yet familiar all at the same time. Accident is mainly through some measure that the soul either has gone through some sort of event that touched it, leaving it hurt, in pain, or in some other aspects, leaving the person in confusion, wondering what has occurred though never truly knowing what happened, or even having the connection of what they truly are.

Not sure if I'm explaining this to the full of my ability, just have a lot going on around me that isn't letting me focus. Anyways this isn't meant for here, this is meant for the awakening thread. If you wish to talk more we can do so in private or form another thread.

O_O you're right..it was for intended for the awakening thread.Forgot which thread I was in.

And your explainations are fine.Thanks for the effort.

Its fine my dear, no worries.

Im not able to comment on what everyone else is dealing with but my take on those who claim they are huntard or slayers but where I live they are very awakened delusional of course and either have or can get a weapon at the drop of a hat so take what you will from this

"What part of any of this has to do with religious zealotry?"

Really? Hmmm...I suppose the advent of "slayers" who hunt down and kill identified vampires or other targets of choice has never been utilized and channeled through religious zealotry?...I think you've missed my point entirely Sin...that or you missed the boat, as it set sail a while ago.


"You believe in one thing and voiced it, so has everyone else along with I."

What, if anything, do you even know of what I believe? Don't be so self-righteous.



"Each of us a different perspective, all I ask is that before coming in and pretty much telling everyone they are delusional, to take in the fact that there is more to all of this than what you throw out there."

Excuse me? I don't recall calling anyone delusional..however at this point as you've gone out on the limb to accuse me of it, the more you rant on, the more delusional you appear. Caution to the Wise, my perspective has its own points as do yours, which I have not disputed. You are correct, there is much more to all of this than what "you" have thrown out there.


"Some of the oldest texts and even current ones speak of souls disconnected or even awakened enough to draw upon the world."

You may be surprised at what's on my book shelf, don't assume with such a haughty attitude that I know not what you speak of...or should I remind you that arrogance, especially with a Lady is NOT becoming.


"That isn't a religion, its a thought, a being, a manner in which many awaken into, only a few truly accept what we we are."

Again, never called it a religion, I was speaking in general terms in reference to past historical events..which...as you should know in reading such elder texts as you proclaim. I don't appreciate your tone sir..not one bit.

Oceanne,

As with so much where the Vampire is concerned if defined by fictional stereotype, not much regarding the Slayers makes any sense if vampires are so defined. Whether viewed from the blood-sucking viewpoint (where are the wizened dessicated piles of drained corpses?) or the energy-feeding viewpoint (no evidence of any of this being real, either), the evidences for any such definition of "vampires" is spurious at best and... as you pointed out... without any such actual threat to Humankind, why Slayers?

However, if the actual origin of the Vampire is as the male descendants of the "Fallen Angels" with the singular attribute for which they were anciently vilified and slaughtered, then the more modern stories of Slayers throughout Eastern Europe makes perfect sense. As quite explicitly alleged in the Book of Enoch (ca. 100 BCE) and as recounted as occurring at various times throughout the Old Testament, The descendants of the "Fallen Angels" have been under a perpetual death sentence ever since they were falsely demonized by the extreme misogynist and anti-sensuality religions of the Middle East more than 4,000 years ago. The reason for such is self-evident: such descendants, who were the "mighty men as of old, men of renown" (Genesis 6:1-4), prove the falsehood of the foundations of these same Judaeo-Christian-Islamic religions that have always vilified sensuality as evil and Satanic, and vilified women as weak and inherently prone to "sin." And without such a foundational view, these religions lose their power and authority over Humankind. Thus... this unique race of men pose the single greatest threat to the stability of these religions and the power structure upon which all such are founded.


- Upir'

As always Upir, exceptionally accurate in the history I was referring to earlier that was considered unrelated to the topic at hand. Thank you for posting a more concise commentary on my own thoughts regarding the historical and realistic hunters of the hunted if truly there is a version of a Slayer to be considered...their hunt for particular targets would most certainly be fueled by religious zealotry within the Islam-Judeo-Christian biases against those not conforming to ideals and standards outlined in their concepts of sin, sexuality, and gender-specific roles.

Thank you, dear Silverhawk. It is especially rewarding to see you here again, as well. Have been so incredibly busy that I have had little time for VR. How I hope you have been well and safe where you are given all the news I have heard from your (literally) neck of the woods, as it were.

With respect to this topic, you know my thoughts well with respect to the vast majority of those here. And whether intended or not, yet there is indeed much delusion here... self-delusion perhaps most of all. And to ensure that I, also, do not fall prey to this, I also state that I do not yet know whether there still are at present such Slayers actively working in the world, or not. However, the historicity of such ancient and medieval Slayers up to about the 19th Century is well attested.

Thankfully, religion has since lost much of its power both secularly as well as religiously over the minds and lives of its believers. Thus, it is likely that such Slayers and those who use them might be as rare and seldom employed as are Vatican-sponsored exorcists. And, also thankfully, most of those claiming to be such Slayers (as evidenced here, for example) have no clue what it is they are hunting given the extreme popularity of the Vampire as defined by fiction and pop culture. Thus, let them play their roles and enjoy their fantasies. All they will find are the many role-playing and/or "lifestyle" vampires of the Modern Age, both of whom have nothing at all to do with the actual Vampire of history or the original Church-sponsored dhampirs who hunted them.


- Upir'

I think they all look like Buffy and Faith.

I know slayers are real. I've seen one. I think they all look like regular humans and, if they have any 'powers', they don't have many. Some probably only target vampires that they've seen hurt people, but some have a hate for vampires, possibly for no reason at all.

I believe that they are real, but mostly deranged people who don't really understand what they are doing and have seen one too many "dustings" on Buffy.

There are probably other more stable people out there who know about the community and disagree with it, but they probably would not go as far as to kill some one, expose them, yes but not kill them.

Thank you Upir.As always,your historical accounts are spot on.Good to see you back in the forum.

As for everyone,good posting.It is always nice to hear all aspects of a subject even though I might not agree.
While I know slayers were about back in the day,to meet one now would be like meeting a..yeah,as LF put it, a Buffy.

I cannot for the life of me wonder why anyone would want to be a slayer unless they are a slayer of beliefs and that to me makes them a terrorst

I do have to agree with LordBaalNox on that one.

But Slayers exsist, and they can be anyone, and look like everyone else.

If vampires exist, then slayers do also.

If we are talking about the immortality of the soul then that can never be slayed

And isnt that their point LB?To liberate the soul?
Glad you brought that up.")

I have heard tales of slayers, however I believe they are no threat as long as the vampire does nothing harmful around them, however I may be wrong.

Merry Night
This is my second post on this thread and many more view point have appered. I agree that the immortality ona soul never dies it it's just reborn.
Why slayers we'll never know because vampyres are not foolish enuff to drain humans of blood so on that note why are they around I have to theiroys Hate and stupidity.
Do they exsist yes I've been hunted twice. And no they are not as agile or talented as vampyres though they are stuborn.
They look like regular humans with no realy distinguishing marks. The second one that attacked my was through my dreams but when he appered he looked like an office worker, and trust me I wasn't prepared for that.
Blessed Be All Till Later

If there point is to liberate the soul Oceanne they are mistaken, the soul takes human form to learn lessons that we cannot make without the body. Once the body is "slayed" the soul will progress to another path, maybe back to a new body maybe not, either way it will continue to learn but this is just my opinion on life so its only worth my thoughts others will probably disagree

Thank you LordBaal. But isnt that liberating the soul then? By slaying it,thus releasing the soul from the decrepid body of "Vampire?

As according to the death of the physical body, the soul will shift from the physical world and transcend to either Heaven or Hell depending upon the weight of karma in which we had accumulated. From there we wither suffer or gain rest, and eventually are reborn again to this life, to seek again, to live again and to find where we are to continue from here.

Odd that everyone speaks with such clarity and certainty. Much like the wayward Reverend who predicted the rapture that never happened. I would like to see more postings"welll I think" or "I have reason to believe"
For myself, it is just best guesses based upon two years here , two world tours and some very strange encounters...and yet I still only offer my best reasoning based upon science and what I know to be fact . As for human slayers...one met me at a backpacker in Nelson.N.Z.
I believe she tracked me via Facebook(notoriously insecure) from Sedona, Arizona. I was kind and honest with her and she was not aggressive but when I found her 12 inch blade it was time to let that one go...she troubles me no more but did turn up here for a while. She will probably read this...Hi...

certianty is all based upon the perspective of truth in which we view. I, for myself, know how my soul travels, I do not need others to believe, if anything, to simply understand my facet of truth in which I follow.

As for hunters, never ran into one, however I have dealt with more than just hunters, dealt with people trying to kill me simply because I was american.

In my experience, hunters like the ones described in previous post, DO EXIST. Each and every generation, genus, species has this counter-balance naturally. Slayers? I don't know so much about that. I would have to say Yes, but that is based on mere speculation. Educated guess. Hunters exist. I am one. However, there is a difference in Slayers and Hunters, as also stated in different posts.

Furthermore, again referring to earlier posts, am I deranged? Do I have some sick and twisted perception of reality that allows me to think the way I think, act the way I act? That, as stated previously, is a matter of perception. No two beings have the same perception of what some regard as "reality".

So, one might ask: Are you a vampire hunter? That would be a loud and resounding NO. I'm not even a vampire myself. I associate with vampires and others with a like-minded people because I find it more comfortable to interact with those that don't hide from what they are, or think they are. People here, for the most part, say what they think, and that is appreciated by someone like me.

I dont believe in vampire in that context Oceanne, i'm not decrepid and have no reason to be slayed or liberated, I find life liberating and to have it taken from me before ive learned what I wish to learn would be aggravating at the least lol

LOL I know you arent decrepid LB by any means..I meant as in legend and stories.There seems to be a fairly good mix of it in this thread and it is hard to zero in on the context.
When I hear "slayer",I cant help but think of days of old when the vamp,well,he was considered pretty decrepid back then.Or something from a film or book.

I wonder if slayers have an awakening?
and if they remember past lives do they remember languages and math.

So annoying one has to start again, algebra and french..oh shit, slay me now...

Slayers? Hunters?
What are we immortal bloodthirsty creatures of the night! HAHAHA

I am human, so if you are a vampire, listen to this. If someone stabbed me in the heart would the stake, would I not die? If someone cut off my head or burned me alive, would I not die?

So please go back to your role play BS as said above!

I tend to agree with the post above "Slayers" don't seem to pose a threat to most people, for the simple fact that in our society, it is illogical, is a human going to kill another, then site their victim being a vamp as a reason? Unless their going for an insanity plea, I highly doubt it ;)

Excuse me for stating the obvious but I really don't think they want to get caught, folks just go missing. Cops will never call something a murder unless theres blood and a smoking gun...reason(It costs a fortune in manpower and setting up an incident room, let alone 40 detectives) so when people go missing ...they're just "missing" simples!

i dont think that they have special abilities i think that they jus train really hard like in the gym and doing karate and things, but i think they could all be human and that they can b man or women.

If Slayers really existed it best serves them to be normal as anyone else, or they risk discovery and none of them woud like that

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