Poor STABB had some thoughtless vegetarian ruin his nice cold glass of milk by pointing out that it was "bovine lactate."
It did make me think. I put this as a comment in his journal and thought I'd add it here, too:
Those damned vegetarians.
On a similar note...if people get really bad maladies, like cancer or even just the snot-productive varieties like flu, do you ever visualize those illnesses in the meat? Like, especially the rare meat? I mean, do you think they check the animals that thoroughly before butchering them? And even if it does cook enough or is species-specific so you won't get ill, does the idea of eating a steak of a cow with something mild, like a yeast infection or maybe early renal disease kinda gross you out? I wonder if we could look at it under a microscope after it's cooked, like a cow autopsy, would we be able to find traces of the disease in the sliced morsel?
It's a good argument for kosher meat =)
Milk is kinda gross... but.. mmmm... I'll have my hamburger with a side of ecoli please!
Who knows, maybe they roll the meat in poop to add extra flavor.
You and me be in the same damn boat about the Moo Moo tit cream. EWWW!!!
Well, that certainly wasn't enough to make me stop loving a rare steak, lol. I tell them all the time he better still be mooing at me when they bring him out on my plate. But what the heck...we all have to eventually die of something, lol. Poor Stabb.
To be honest, if I spend any time at all thinking about where meat has come from, I get grossed out. I can squick out over the smallest things. I do know that if I ever found a cancerous lump in a steak I was eating though I would likely end up painting the table a whole host of colours and be banned from the restaurant for all time.
Yargh, I need to get this image out of my head or I will end up vegan before the end of the month!
If we all stopped to think about where our food comes from we'd never eat anything! Take eggs for instance - essentially they're just a result of a chicken having a period...
Sometimes I think you think too much lmao
Sevenn took the words out my mouth ... but not the meat.
I loves me some dead cow.
Spring water .... falls from the sky through man made pollution, onto mud, dead animals and wotnot .... eeeeewww
Lets talk about fish
So, I'm at work and I hear a little sound. Someone has sent me something on Skype. Well, looky here, Ockham has sent me a link. Usually, Ockham is a "no click zone" until Irony previews and lets me know it's rated Joli. But I see that it's a Penny Arcade cartoon, so I click.
Must...not...laugh. Coordinator is in my office consulting with my assistant about a client and I must not laugh. I suck my lips into my mouth and and bite my cheeks. Must...not...laugh.
This isn't over, Ockham. This is not over!
Morrigon made the suggestion and it was brilliant! My profile is now equipped with pepper spray. Look out you ign'nt commenters! Thank you, Ockham. You are the wind beneath my wings :P
And he is also the wind beneath my pants...
It just so happens that I know that I'm your hero.
I'm going to hope that wasn't in response to STABB's comment!
Fly higher than an eagle, Jo.
Oh dear, such innuendo and language :-p
I apologize in advance, VR. I am angry. Angrier than I have ever been. So angry that I just substituted dry crackers for my lunch so that my nausea doesn't blossom out of control.
Remember the son and blind mother? Well, there have been hiccups along the way and they are still housed in the motel. A change has occurred in the last 48 hours and the son has gone missing. That leaves a frail, blind senior in a nasty motel without a caregiver.
I am VERY concerned that she is in danger. What if she falls in the bath tub, or something worse? i have called agency after agency. I am going to document here what my experience was just so that I can clear my head. I plan to email agency directors and congress members with what happened today. You may not want to read on.
Motel Landlord - contacted us. He is very concerned about her being there and something happening. He doesn't want to evict her, but they are only paid through yesterday. We are willing to pay for her to stay there, but as soon as agencies discover that, the immediacy of the situation is blunted.
Adult Protective Services - I call this agency, already dispatched out there last week. They have a case worker. Case worker tells me that this is a whole new case now that she is alone. Their turn around time will be a maximum of a week before any decisions could be made. I tell the details...no progress.
Social Services Director of our Parish - I call to report this situation. I am told to call the Advocacy Center who will move quickly because they have the legal ability to do so. I ask them why this can't be expedited. they tell me again to call the Advocacy Center.
Advocacy Center - I call. They are baffled. They are a legal advocacy. They have no funds or ability to intervene in such matters. I explain the critical nature of this situation...no progress.
Elderly Protective Services (New Orleans Office) - I call and have the most unprofessional social service "professional" that I have ever encountered talk to me. Her attitude is bored. My attitude is NOT. she tells me there is no housing. she tells me they have no funds. She tells me that since my client has no address, they cannot help her. This is where I come unglued.
I say: "Let me make sure what you are telling me. I want to be sure I understand. If an elderly person is homeless and in danger, elderly Protective Services will not help. Is that correct?"
Pause. She says, "Where is she?"
"In a motel in __________."
"Oh, we don't serve that area."
Elderly Protective Services (St Tammany Office)- I call. The motel landlord has already called. They have some roadblocks that I diffuse. One of them is:
"If we find her a nursing home, they'll require that she has a TB skin test and a few other tests ASAP and she doesn't have transportation." My head begins to ignite. WTF?! SHE'S BLIND AND ALONE! Of course she doesn't have transportation...that's part of the whole picture here. THAT is a stumbling block?! It should be a criterion for expedited care!
I say, "Do not let that be the obstacle to services here. I will insure that she will be taken to those tests if I have to take her in my van."
"It's Friday, nobody is going to call me back."
At this point, I tell her what I didn't want to say...I can cover that motel cost, but I believe it is dangerous. I will do it as an alternative to her being put on the streets blind and helpless, but I don't want agencies to use that knowledge to mean that this is not an emergency. I tell her that the landlord is rightfully worried about liability in addition to his concern for her safety. I tell her that if something happens, he will say that our Center knew. I assured her that I will let everyone know that we have no clinical authority and will be sure to convey that Elderly Protective Services was aware of her dangerous and emergency status. She said she'd call us back. We close in 25 minutes and I have heard nothing.
Meanwhile, frightened, sick, lonely, blind old lady sits in a motel room wondering if her son is dead. Wondering what she should do. She has called police, emergency rooms, and everyone she knows. This is uncharacteristic of him. We have known him for years. We are frightened, too.
This is unconscionable.
What about the state ombudsman office? It is who we call when Social Service Agencies do not do what they are supposed to do.
In my opinion, if most of those who work for the aformentioned agencies really cared, they wouldn't let 'red tape' stand in their way. It's unfortunate...
I pray that a quick resolution is found for the family.
Although I have no advice, I do want to say that I read, and I empathize. It's horrible that something like this happens but it does. Daily. Everywhere. People like yourself, however, are making a difference. And that in itself is a wonderful thing. Even if you might feel at times as though what you are doing isn't making a dent, or that it's futile when no one else is helping, you, in a sense, are helping this woman keep her faith - in herself, in goodness, and in humanity.
Keep your chin up beautiful person, your fight is difficult, but you are bringing good into this world through your actions and I applaud you and your efforts.
Thank you, Elemental. You are correct. That agency is served through the Advocacy Center here. I called them.
The larger the organization, the less they care about the individual and the more they pay attention to the "rules" they created.
The less they care for the little people and the more they focus on covering their own asses.
It's a terrible situation.
Have you reached out to any private sector help? Someone with a caring heart and reasonably decent sized wallet that might be able to help her immediately? A large company in the public eye who wants some good PR perhaps?
Thinking of all concerned.
There are no words. The attitudes of the "people" you have mentioned here are fucking criminal, and I almost hope that the extremist, hellfire n brimstone Christians are right just so that they can spend an eternity in unspeakable torment for this inhumane bureaucratic nightmare.
This is, unfortunately, what happens when bureaucracy takes the place of sincere concern and that almost always happens when government takes over and attempts to provide services. Those who care about the role they should play are replaced by those who are concerned with their own political standing. Caring, helpful actions are replaced with statements which sound caring and helpful but are rarely other than lip-service.
Let us hope that her son is found safe and returned to where he can care for her. If not, the situation is bound to get worse.
I want to see more "new" tags next to my favorite journals. Thoth, you're on notice!
Kudos to Morri, VW, and birra for the most updates. You are the gold, silver, and bronze Joli medalists.
Bloodlife was DQ'd because most of his were Who's Online cutouts. Yes, the shameful "Too Silly DQ."
MORE! Feed me!
You know this means war :-p
Bring it, Cutout Boy!
I'll write something!
*grumbles and opens a new window in journal*
will you add me to your favorites again?
I really hate getting kicked off, you know.
it hurts. (not really)
The word, "babe" indicates one of two things to me:
1. You are familiar with the person you are addressing enough that affectionate terms like this are warranted. This is especially what it conveys when written. If you are NOT that close, why would you type it to someone? It feels like the internet version of someone spending a little too much uninvited time in another's personal space. Stop it.
2. You are a musician from the 70's. If this is the case, it's almost kinda endearing if you're wearing your shades and holding a trombone, but just misses and ends up being losery and weird. It hangs out there and blinks in a neon "I am awkward" kind of way. Best to just stop it.
Since when can't we embed images and links into comments???
That was supposed to be a link to this video...
Styx - Babe
HHAHAAA I love the song.
The general message here is.. STOP IT!
I have just started ignoring messages where people call me babe or baby.
I sometimes use 'baby' with certain people but I generally have to have known you forever to do that. I find it incredibly rude when people who do not know me call me things like that.
The only person I ever call babe is my girl friend and the only people I ever call baby are her or close friends and the close friends only get called that in facetiousness.
I seriously despise being called babe, or baby.
A few of you have been encouraging to me lately in my uncharacteristic "down-ness." Thank you. I've felt blah and run down and I'm dealing with a soul-sucking person who needs to move on. I finally found out what's wrong with me. I have "Ick."
Ick may refer to:
* Ichthyophthirius multifiliis, a single-celled parasite. (mmm hmm...CHECK!)
"Ick" is also a slang English term for something distasteful. (Oh yeah)
An Ick infection looks as though someone has sprinkled salt on the organism. (Sure feels like it.)
Ick/Ich is always present in the tank (environment.) Stress is the main cause of Ick/Ich. Your fish can get stressed as a result of many things. I have found that Ick/Ich seems to show up most often when I add new fish to the tank. Almost every time I bring a fish home and add them to a tank within a few days not only does the new fish develop Ick/Ich, but several of the other fish as well. Very frustrating. (Imagine that.)
They have left their happy home, and been transported to a new environment.
Beam me up, Scotty...there's no place like home...there's no place like h.... Ick.
Well...It's ok...Just don't let it happen again.
I'd like to hug you right now, and that must mean something since I don't like touching people ;)
Maybe you need to immerse yourself in your friends, the ones who mean the most to you. The people who love you for who and what you are, and without trying to remind you of why you love them.
Perhaps I should put a heater in your tank. Along with the right chemicals, it does wonders for fish. If that doesn't work I'll bring a pen and we can connect the dots. :)
The following is not here to slam this person. The two of us are cordial and I respect his right to have a different opinion from my own. I do not, however respect THE OPINION itself.
..liked the piece on copywright.
..don't agree with it, but I appreciate it.
You disagree about people taking and using what does not belong to them?
several times here.. images I've manipulated, ot created, have 'gone missing.'
I put the work 'out there'.. and that said.. when it is.. it is acquirable, as I used to do.
I was flattered.
the other part of the argument, from my point of view, is that 'they' have been ripping 'us' off for years.. a little payback is well over due.
That is your choice...so, you probably don't bother copyrighting them. I don't like the notion that anyone would feel like stealing is OK.
If my work is copyrighted, that is saying that I have put it out for you to look at, but I don't expect you to just take it without permission and use it in whatever way you see fit.
If an artist hung his work on a museum wall for your enjoyment, would you think, "I like that...I think I'll take it." How can you even defend such a position, ___________?
the same way record companies have, ripping us off.
the same way those two people did, when they acquired my work. it is there.. it's like the mountains, the birds, the vista before me.
I especially don't understand the "us" and "they" part when talking about art. You have been continually ripped off by artists?
..I have, several times. the commercialism of the creative process, by those who bastardise it for profit are alo the 'they'. people like MGM, Damien Hirst.. the bed unmaking lady.. art is/ or should be.. art.
..not business, making exhorbitant sums, for a few.
That does not make it right, _____. If I create something beautiful and share it, I am not "us" nor "they." And I don't deserve to be robbed because I created beauty.
You of all people, who rail against injustice, championing the little guy...you have allowed yourself to be poisoned and desensitized to the point that you have muddied your own perceptions about what is CLEARLY right and wrong. I'm surprised and disappointed, to put it mildly.
I noticed. but I've seen too many grey suits wearing glasses making money through the creative process, while real reators make nish.. all wrong.
You drug in an entirely different argument. I was talking about individuals creating art and it belonging to them because they created it, NOTHING about big businesses or huge profits.
You're justifying theft by using faulty logic, my friend.
think of all those nomarks.. like Tracy Emin. they're allowed to be the pretentios twits that they are, coz too many are prissy about it all.
thing is.. the difference between me and my brother is that I can create, whilst he goes to the Falklands and uses guts and enterprise to help transport people and save lives. which is more valuable.. and worth it.. ?
_____, they DO NOT EQUATE. There are tons of things that may be measured "more valuable." It doesn't make stealing OK. How can you not see that simple point?
because I learnt to draw by 'stealing'. because every artist who bases his work on anothers has liberated ideas that are not his own.
grief, in comic class we were taught there were about six original stories: so there's been a lot of 'theft' going on, hasn't there?
You are talking about inspiration, _______. Not taking someone's whole work and passing it off as your own or using it in a way the artist did not give permission for.
How would you feel if someone took one of your drawn images or a photograph of you that you took and pasted it up on a "Ban the Use of Recreational Marijuana" poster? or some other cause or usage you did not agree with? THAT is the issue. Theft. Not inspiration or any other bogus rationalizations that make you feel better because you did it. I'd have more respect for you to say, "when I did it, it was wrong...it is wrong now, and will always be wrong" rather than, "it's ok because I did it and lots of people do it...it's get them because they get us."
I cannot emphasize enough how sickening that kind of reasoning is to me. Rationalizing bad behavior does not make it good behavior. Own it and move on. I'll dislike your behavior, but at least the comprehension would be sound.
..good lord, whoever it is sounds awfully opinionated.
I'd say there's a lot more gray area than you're interpreting. While I definitely don't condone ripping off other people's work, there *needs* to be room for interpretation, lest we run down the road of paying royalties to take a photograph because a person's house or a company's building is in the frame ("You're ripping off the architect who designed it!") It is the path that leads to the criminalization of parody. Of course, the other way down that road leads to the shameless knockoffs we see all over this place, and a lack of incentive for the truly talented to create. In all things, moderation. ;)
Especially, look at your last example (the marijuana poster.) The use of another person's copyrighted works in the creation of art is a very gray legal and moral zone. All it takes is minor modifications to change it from copyright infringement to legal "fair use," and even without modifications a non-commercial work would stand a reasonable chance of being ruled as fair use by a court, dependent upon the nature of the new work. I can think of a half-dozen designs for an anti-marijuana poster that could use other people's copyrighted materials yet easily pass muster as fair use (in most places, anyways.)
Also, look at the word "steal", which you throw around rather lightly here. What does "theft" imply? How does that apply to using someone's works without their permission? It's a subtle difference to some people's mindsets, but it is an important distinction.
This is a bit wildly off-tangent from the original intent of your copyright post, however copyright always needs to be looked at in a wider context. Personally, I don't think any of the infringement that goes on in VR would be interpretable as fair use, at least not by any sound, rational mind. A crappy profile on a crappy website isn't a work of art ;)
Again.. I don't condone plagiarism at all, so don't take this as a defense of it. I'm merely trying to point out a more moderate point of view on the matter than drawing a flat monochrome line between black and white.
Dictionary.com definition of the word, "steal" Pronunciation, verb, stole, sto·len, steal·ing, noun
–verb (used with object)
1. to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, esp. secretly or by force: A pickpocket stole his watch.
2. to appropriate (ideas, credit, words, etc.) without right or acknowledgment.
I'm sorry, but I don't see your distinction.
To steal is to take (without permission); to take is to remove. While the RIAA has pushed for steal to cover infringement, it's not technically removing access from the original. Stealing *credit* for something, on the other hand, does prevent the original author/artist from receiving credit, so in that light I suppose it is workable in your context (I was hung over when I wrote that last one, cut me some slack :P)
Did you miss the appropriation of ideas...?
The concept of stealing is not a complex one. If it's not yours and you take it without permission, you've stolen. It doesn't matter what you take. (I hope you all feel guilty when you steal mints out of the jar)
This person's logic, whoever they are, is sad and as wilted as a midget's limp....ahem
Apparently just because something is on display, you can take it. Excuse me I need to go rob the local art museum.
Record companies do not steal the music. They fund the creation of music, promote it, and then profit off of it alongside the artist.
If you're flattered by a bunch of idiotic twits taking your stuff because it's "pretty" and just because the like it...You aren't making art, you're jacking yourself off.
Have I mentioned that I hate my "y" button? It is popping off the keyboard, it won't...stay...stuck!....GAH
I did miss that, actually. I am relatively certain that definition was not in the dictionary the last time I was looking the word up (many years ago, similar debate.)
However, 'appropriation' also means 'taking'; which still means 'to remove'.
To large extent, I have a knee-jerk reaction to that word in relation to intellectual property matters due to the RIAA's abuses, so to be fair, you're in the right here.
The rest of my points stand, though. Insert smiling emoticon here, for people who can still see an emoticon without glimpsing the gaping maw of terror.
I do still believe that it is the responsibility of the artist to protect their work.
Most websites feel that way too, it is simply way too much work for some sites to moderate every single one of their members, research what images belong to who, and remove those that don't belong to the person displaying them.
They will remove the artwork if the artist themselves request it.
I have seen sites that have a zero tolerance policy on uploading anything that doesn't belong to you...My personal favorite is Elftown.com
It's a hippy fantasy artist place, pretty much where I started out on the internet and where I got the encouragement to expand on my work and keep going. I do still have a profile there heh.
It is possible to moderate to that point (some websites claim it isn't). It just takes a lot of work and can create a lot of friction unless the rules are implemented from the birth of the website.
This was a bit of a tangent....sorry...
Rationalizing bad behavior is just a stupid way to look at it. You cannot say that it is ok to take other people's work because you're fine with people taking yours.
Morrigon can't get enough of Birra's journal and I can't get enough of hers. She frequently makes me suss out my own ideas on a subject. Recently, she's made an entry on copyrighted images. It's a subject close to her heart.
I challenge you all...Be proactive; take those images down! Get out your camera. If you can't do that, describe to a creative friend what images you'd like. A few pictures plus descriptive text can make a stunning profile. Cluttered is NOT better. Less is more. If that doesn't work, try a site with stock images that you can buy very reasonably. They can often be manipulated easily (darkened or photo shopped.) Give us something we won't see on every profile page on this site...take some pride. If none of that works, leave it whelpishly Spartan. At least it's honest.
It actually is not ok to use copyrighted images on VR. It IS against the rules. But because it would take a full time staff and lawyers, we have a process in place to protect the owners of artwork. This is cut from the VR TOS:
Morrigon can't get enough of Birra's journal and I can't get enough of hers.
And, I can'tr get enough f Joli's..
..have you noticed?
Yes, we noticed.
I like that what's on my page is all my own work. It gives me a sense of accomplishment.
I don't mind people using my stuff, as long as they say where they got it from.
I've had my own run-ins with people taking my property, but they were cleared up with a few quick emails.
I regularly check search strings for my poetry and filenames for my images. deviantart is actually a worse place for copyright infringement.
I just think that the rules here are clear, but really don't decide on who owns a copyright. That is for the user to claim. The portfolio simply must be one's own work, hence the title. It's not a 'gallery' for work a person might own, but for work we created ourselves.
Anyway, it's an old point to make.
I love your page and...
I like you.
I think that is a great idea. Every image on my profile is my own work and I like it that way. Ps. Still working on yours. I think I have finally finished all of your hair now:D
Such an incredibly hard day. There just are no words.
On this one occasion, allow me to say that you are wrong; There are lots of words. Some of them might even be passingly adequate. Amongst that few score, perhaps the set of them that I feel are most accurate are merely these: "You are my friend, and you will get through whatever it is. I have faith in you."
Thank you. That helps more than you can know.
Hang in there Joli.Hope things get better for you very soon.
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