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The word Vampire (Vampir, Vampyre) has oblique origins, but researchers and scholars for the most part agree that it can be traced to the Slavic Tongue. There have been continuos debates however, as to its etymological sources.

The word may have come from the Lithuanian wempti ("to drink"), or from the root pi ("to drink"), with the prefix va or av. Other suggested roots have included the Turkish uber ("witch"), and the Serbo-Croation pirati ("to blow"). Associated forms developed from the Serbo-Croation term, such as Vampir, Upyr in the Russian, Upior in the Polish, and Upir in the Byelorussian. Some scholars prefer the concept that upir is older than vampir, an eastern Slavic name that spread westward into the Balkans, where it was adopted by the southern Slavs and received vigorous circulation. The word vampire (or vampyre) arrived in the English language with two 1732 publications: the March translation of a report by the investigators looking into the case of Arnold Paole of Meduegna and the May release of the article "Poltitical Vampires."

Vampyre is a variant spelling of vampire that endured into the nine-teenth century, and as you have witnesses through out the net, it is still exercised by many today. "Vampyre" is closely connected to the Latin Vampyrus, to john Polidori's title for his short story " The Vampyre" (1819), and to the works of experts of previous centuries, including Zopfus, Rohl, and Ranft. As the word Vampire came into more common usage with the translation of such Eastern European names as upior, upyr, vampir, and vapir into English, vampyre became less common.

Through out the Vampire Community, you will come across spelling variations of "vampire". Some feel that "vampyre"is superior to "vampire" because it has a more aristocratic flair with a dark, elder essence. Sometimes the simplistic reason for use of "vampyre" is the admiration of how it appears, nothing more. But often, I find that those who expend "vampyre" are dismissed as a real vampire, and looked upon as a role player. This assumption is made because many role players have adapted the spelling of "vampyre" when referencing to their characters of the game. Others flavor "vampire" over "vampyre" because it is more modern, or because it differentiates "vampyre"(immortalmyths) from "real vampires" (human blood & energy drinkers). Many writers prefer"vampyre"or"vampyr" for their literary creations, using it to differentiate their undead from either the fanciful cinematic variety or a more violent species of vampire. In the end, it is up to the individual of how they would like to interpret either spelling, since one meaning for either "vampire" or "vampyre" is not set in stone.

What are your thoughts in contrasting these two words?

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interesting information



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They are only words...However you say it...Its still the same...A rose would smell as sweet by any other name



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Thank you for the info.



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Cool reading and info! Thanks!



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Echo
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Great information, but personally it has never concerned me whic one I feel i am, its too trivial a matter, but knowledge is always nice.



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nice info



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WOW. thanks for all the great info!



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fangtastic information. well done.



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good thread my brother



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It's very interesting, thank you.



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Interresting.....



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very interesting.... i like it



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thanx I CURIOUS TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE

ANY ONE HAS SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO ADD?



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Hmmmmm.... Interesting..



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*applauds LordSeth*

Well Done!



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very good info Im alwyas up for learning



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very interesting



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Echo
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So I take it that NOBODY has an opinion on this...



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Echo indeed it would seem that way.

through out "studies" and research online or through books it seems as though vampyre was used for those who were "true" vampires. and vampire was used for those once human whom were changed. though in actuallity it would be hard to tell. for authors each have different takes on things.

to some people vampire is its true form and anyone who alters the spelling is one who is not a pureblood. but i suppose it would be however a person wishes to think of it. making it hard to really make a difference between the two spellings and if they truely do have altered meanings.

but like it said vampyre or vampyr is used in novels and the like to alter that of the vampires of the cinema. so it really is hard to say. because we all know how authors like to alter truths of vampires



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Thank you



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good info, but, i'm really not sure...



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hmmm it really does seem like nobody is opinionated on this topic



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good food for thought



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i agree with darkdefiance!!!! and also>> very intersing and incredible information



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rayzin
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thank you for the the word its always fun to learn some thing new



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LadyDarque
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Here's my thought..:
I may be a little bit simple, but I sort of laugh when I see people write 'vampyric'.. because honestly, I believe whatever is written in the dictionaries and the thesaurus. I know there is "vampiric" in there somewhere, but I don't see vampyric anywhere.



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Very interesting information.

If I may... DarkDefiance.... If you're going to quote Shakespeare, make sure you are quoting it properly....
It should be:

If we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

Sorry. I think of Shakespeare as a role model and I get bitter when his words are jumbled or said incorrectly.



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I think that the word vampire was originated from the count Vlad.And everyone knows what he did for his Empire.(I had to write that with a capital E)

So Vlad and empire,therefore

vampire

Even tough it is said that vampires have an older history,I still believe it originated from there cause he was the first or most famous(I may be wrong) who showed it in public.

However I still can't find an accurate info,so I based this just on my opinions,but finally I got it out of my chest!



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Hello Love, fancy seeing another of your threads lol.
Anyway since everyone has their mind made up to be "indifferent" because no one has opinions, I shall shoot you one.

I use "Vampire" because I don't like what Strigoii Vii and other "houses and orders" have turned the word "Vampyre" into.. Vampyre just says Role player in the very essance of the word to me.... that and I know for a fact that many of the folks in allot of the "Vampyre" houses today are a bunch of roleplayers themselves and half ass practitioners.



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The word vampire today is just used for the movies and books to impress people,that's why when they hear it you see that funny expression on their face.



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Vampire, Vampyre, Strigoi Vii, Conditioned, Damned, Kindred, however you wish to put it, it all leads to the same thing. We are those who cannot function properly without gaining Life Energy from those who can regenerate it normally.

Yet, personal preference, Vampyre or Conditioned is what I use.

- Sin (VII)



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Very interesting information



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kind of like "theatre" and "theater"



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interesting... pointless... but interesting



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very interesting.
most take the spelling ,"vampire", as the modern, and, "vampyre", as the older or european spelling.


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In honesty, I dislike both terms...it matters little to me which way it is spelt.

The term conjours up too many pre-concieved notions in peoples heads for it to apply effectively in such a generic fashion to this culture which is made up of very specific sub-sections.

Both should be reserved for movies, books and games- fantasy.




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MARIUS
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well put Stabb.....



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MortalitaslAnimus
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Hmm Well it seems Stabb beat me to it. It is a word, plain and simple, as it does bring up too many images from movies and books. Even though I use the word I don't really like it.



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One spelling nor the other bothers me. Everyone has an ego and I suppose some will feel a little more elite using one spelling or another. That's fine by me. It's human nature....or vampire nature :)

One thing for sure, I like vampire/vampyre much more than sanguine or sanguinarian. In fact, I detest sanguine or sanguinarian. For me, those words conjure up people playing at vampirisim. I think of the Courts in NYC, the Black Veil, and posers.



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Morrigon
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Maybe it's almost the same as "women/womyn"? neither of those really bother me...



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nice info :) thanx, but in Lithuanian is so such word "wempty" (to drink) there is a word "gerti" to drink...




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very imformative
but i already had look it up an i must say i prefer the "vampyre" spelling better



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kool information ^_^



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Interesting...



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Very informative. Thank you. I don't have a true preference as to which is the correct or whatnot. I usually use "vampire" though.



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interesting



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very interesting information



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i really dont have a preferrence, since i pronounce them the same, but in general, i use vampire because that is what i was first introduced to.



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either way is good for me



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i say..."plasma-challenged"



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great information



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Very interesting information



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great info thanks



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thank you that info is very useful.
by the way i like vampyre i just think i looks kooler



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I have always used Vamprye myself.
The spelling Vampire reminds me too much of the Hollywood stuff. Like they did to 'Voodoo,'
The info you gave however was well done.
Thanks.



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i do believe its spelt Vampire. but that is just an opinion of my own. at least that is how i have always spelt it



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Thanx for the info..



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yes, i agree with DarkDefiance but thanks for the information



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ok so who sid to try to write a book just questions



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plasma challenged....heehee.



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yeah?



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im amazed... thanx...



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Vampire: Term referring to either fictional vampires, folkloric vampires or modern "real" vampires (energy and blood).
Vampyre: (also "social vampires", "sanguines", or "vampire lifestylers")Term referring to human beings who live in the tradition of the fictional vampire. These people go to various different extremes, anywhere from merely dressing like a fictional vampire to sleeping in coffins, having night jobs, building "vampyric families", etc.



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thank you for the information though i like the idea of vampyres the one true being is the vampire



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thank you for the information though i like the idea of vampyres the one true being is the vampire



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nice info... thank you... needed to know that...



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Interesting info.



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I am a little late here but I agree with Lady Darque



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djsquared
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Thank you for the info. Interesting at best



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firedragon
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very inforative ty lord seth



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hellsphreak
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Vampire, Vampyre, Umpri... It is all the same thing to me. The name is a mere alteration according to each person's preferrences.

Though, "Vampyre" does seem a bit flaky. The only place that it does NOT seem flaky is in a book... Polidori's book, "The Vampyre."



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hellsphreak
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Eh.. **STORY.

As in, Polidori's story, not book. It's not even 7AM here!!

*headdesk*



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Very detailed info and they're both the same to me as well.



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xtroublex
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Yeah these threads are few and far between.



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That is very interesting information....



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BlackVamp
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I say that it shouldn't matter how the names are spelled ,but really it should matter how you carry the name....



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that's really intresting. i've never really thought about the different spellings of the word vampire. it does make alot of sense though. thanks for the info
Jessie m.



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ZuberiUrbi
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i agree..the spelling shouldnt be a major decision..but how you treat the title its self



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Sarah
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I must do some research on this one again for i do not completly understand.....if i get any other info i shall post it

Interseting what you have said though

~Sarah~



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The difference between vampire and vampyre is the same difference between magic and magick (in the sense that both words are technically accurate, and the differences are open to interpretations, which vary from person to person. And the last thing they have in common is this: Don't EVER use the wrong spelling in front of the wrong person if you have ANYTHING to do for the next hour!)



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SomnolentSimacrulum
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I always thought people replacing i's with y's was stupid. We don't speak old english, and the majority of the people who do it don't even know it. Either that or they're Renaissance festival dorks. It smacks of ignorant pretentiousness or dorkdom.



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tweak
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interesting information but thank you i didnt know most of that



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PrettySamantha
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21:29:35 Oct 04 2005
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how about both



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zilverscale
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Both...

Which ever one suit you :)



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CannibalBoy
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ooh i learned something today...



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gothicmanwhore
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09:43:59 Nov 10 2005
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vampire and vampyre are the same although they may look different they sound the same and mean the same it is really up to you how you would like to spell it. And thanks for the knowledge you have givin me!



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SirVeza
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interesting bit of info, thanx



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secretnightsilence
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Im glad someone posted this. thanks for the info



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jtavarez50
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good info...and think maybe it's the same like in the case of "theater" and "theatre"...I don't know though



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RAGEtheSOLDIER
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very informative...



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VampiressCherry101
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i found that really interesting but a fair bit to read, though i don't mind exercising my mind. very acurate too. true very informative aswell. love to read all this and give my opinion.



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interesting but um they just words..lol



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....really interesting info....



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RavenBelmont
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Either way is fine.



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opheliadrowns
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personally, to me, a word is nothing more than a group of letters that people give meaning to...spell it one way or the other, the meaning is still the same



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great info...but i beleive that no matter how you spell vampire...or what you call a vampire...it is what it is...there is no changing that...



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lucioswolfe
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Potato... po-tah-to
does is really matter



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does it really matter*
sorry folks



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it dont too me...



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Your like a vampire encyclopedia, I read your thoughts anytime. Again some really interesting shit.



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15:57:08 Nov 14 2005
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very interesting information... makes you think about it and others words that are the same but have different spellings...



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Zakash
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I didn't know that. Thanks for the info.



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i never knew there was difference till i seen this thread and decided to look it up and see ...
thank you for posting this thread it is very interesting to read about....
here is what i have found out..
as i am either i am not sure if this is correct or not but it does make sense to me....

The term "vampire" refers to psychic vampires, blood vampires as well as supernatural, undead vampires such as seen in fiction. A "Vampyre" (also known as a social vampire or vampyre lifestyler) is someone who simply mimics the life of vampires and enjoys the sense of "bonding" created by the vampyre community. It is also noteworthy that there are hierachies within vampyre "families".



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very interesting things to know



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RavenBelmont
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I really don't see why it matters.



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RavenBelmont
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Does it?



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i think that both r right if u think about it.



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RavenBelmont
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Exactly.



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good information i enjoyed the thread good work keep it up i love to learn new things



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XrazorbladeprincessX
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you did your research and thanks for the info



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personaly i dont care which way its spelt...which ever way strikes me as better in the situation is the one i use



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jdenoyon
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Hmmm... Interesting! I never knew they each had a different meaning, though they sound the same! Now if I'll only be able to ~remember~ which is which...



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actually i prefer Wamphiri ;)



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LadyAmandaofNoctemAeternus
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01:20:32 Nov 15 2005
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depends on ones birth



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just a thought...there are also different spellings for the word "witch": Witch & Wytche



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Kiros
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I have always been partial to "vampire" as opposed to "vampyre" for no other reason other than the conventions of modern English has "vampire" as the proper way to spell it. That's my argument pure and simple. But, at a more personal level, I tend to see those who use the term "vampyre" as pretentious and trying to create an atmosphere that wouldn't have been there otherwise. I believe someone had previously stated this as a more aristocratic approach. In any case, it conveys, in only my opinion of course, that the person using it is trying to create a false identity of arrogance and hierarchy.

In the end, such trappings seldom hold any use.



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very interesting information. i was wondering if there was any difference between the too for a long time. although i did always use them interchangely



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Zale
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I belive the word vampire is used to define younger generation of vampires. take the charecter frost from blade for example, bad example but the only one i could think of when typing this. Frost was a young, wild, and crazy vampire same as the company he kept. Where the word vampyre is used to refer to older more refined and settled down generations of vampires.



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RAAGIOSL
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Here's something that Michelle Belanger said in her book "The Psychic Vampire Codex
" A thriving community of self-aware psychic vampires exists hidden beneath our mainstream culture. many of these people refer to themselves as "vampyres", using the alternate spelling to differentiate themselves from the vampires of folklore and myth".

I would have to agree with this, I am part of that subculture and I would rather be called a "vampyre"



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lil *bump* good discussion here :)



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it doesnt matter to me but you obviously did alot of research ill give you that



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Here's something that Michelle Belanger said in her book "The Psychic Vampire Codex
" A thriving community of self-aware psychic vampires exists hidden beneath our mainstream culture. many of these people refer to themselves as "vampyres", using the alternate spelling to differentiate themselves from the vampires of folklore and myth".

I would have to agree with this, I am part of that subculture and I would rather be called a "vampyre"




I agree with this , I to use Vampyre for the same reason.



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honestly i think everyone should listen to stabb666...so far every thread he has posted on he has left very useful input...he really seems to know what hes talking about...so im gonna have to agree once again to what he says...but i dont beleive the spelling matters...



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I agree with Stabb, for the most part. It matters little to me how the word is spelled, because it's just that: a word.

Generally speaking, I spell it "vampire." However, there exists among us an elitist group who insist that it be spelled "vampyre" to disassociate our culture with that of Hollywood, fantasy, and role playing games. I used the word elitist because I believe the view to be just that: elitist bullshit.

But, to each their own, I guess. I'm thankful to have not met anyone like that at the Rave thus far.



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