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passiondragon
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I really need to see what the majority feel on this subject.
Now, i know there are alot of people on this site who say they are vampires and the likes, this is cool.
However, i notice that there are alot of people on this site that have relative things like trust issues, depression, self harm issues and the likes.
I myself am one of these people and thanks to this site i have found people simmelar to me, victims if you will of depression and the likes.
Id really like to see if others share this oppinion and id like to know there thoughts on the site.
Vampire Rave or victum support?
Either way, this site has helped me and others realise that we are not alone in our issues.




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Octavia
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I have found that there is a lot of issues like addiction, depression, and self harm in the gothic community, and it's nice to have a place with people you can relate and talk too without being judged.



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Nobody's ever alone with the issues we have. Is just the matter of knowing someone who has them. There could be people with issues that has to do with depression or something else. I don't know for sure, but I think not everybody here has the same problem.



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there are problems like that in every community its just part of life



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deathnitegrl
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Hmmm...I think it can be both,it's just how you use it.

A lot of people joined this site cause they felt lonely and wanted to find people who share their same likes or just to talk with someone,in that case it would be a victim support.

Others are here to learn more about vampires.

And there can even be more reasons.

It's just different for everyone.

In my case it is both,I mean I already have friends where I live but wanted to meet people from outside my country,to see if they share my same opinions,had my same expiriences etc...:)



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Octavia
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18:48:43 Oct 03 2005
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Very true, but it's still nice to have people who can relate to you and help out.



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18:49:39 Oct 03 2005
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Oh yeah want to add something about depression: every can have it,whatever sub culture you're in :)



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18:52:15 Oct 03 2005
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that is what communities like this one are good for, you will always find like minded people with either same interests or issues



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18:54:11 Oct 03 2005
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Too bad this site wasn't around during my self harming emo days in Middle school, this place sure woulda helped me...



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i found an understanding. after i came here, i realized that i need to work through my grief, and not by cutting. although i still cut from time to time, it is not as bad, and it was because other i saw what other people felt, and that some overcame.



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I'm not usually a person that asks for help, but here i find people that I very easely talk too, and sometimes, just talk is a great help. I don't feel judged, and that's a big relief. Yeah. I like it here. Becides being a big source of information, makes me feel comfortable, like I can be myself and i don't have to get defensive because of it.



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I think it can be both, we get here because we are into vamps and we stay because we are into the friends we make here, friends who help us to get thru the dark days and to hope for something better.

Either way it is a good thing and a valid use of our time to reach out to each other.. I agree with Stevie Ray Vaughan. He said that this world is full of pain and the best thing we can do for the people we love is to help them. Sometimes that means helping ourselves so we can be there for them. If this helps you, it did it's job



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I have to go with both too. It's this kick ass place where we all like to congregate and just bullshit around, but also a place where we can have serious discussions and help others through tough times. So it can be labeled as a support group of sorts and a fun place to simply hang out and have fun, among many other things.



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I would say it was both...its a place that feels like home and family.....we are here to support each other in times of need....



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Well it's both especially for me. I've been into vampirism since I was a teen. I also suffer from depression and have met ppl here that have the seme feelings as I do and that I relate to on a deep level, much deeper than my real life friends because they dont understand it nor me sometimes. That's not a bad thing at all, I feel just because I cant hang out with a lot of my friends here doesnt mean we cant be close and truely care about one another. I love all my friends here and are there for them when they need someone to talk to and they have been here for me. I'm so happy I found this site and the wonderful ppl I've met here.



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22:07:39 Oct 03 2005
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there are alot of people that will help u out watever situation, we are a community, we are all here for each other watever the need



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ZuberiUrbi
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i cant honestly say since i am new to the site..but depression does tend to set in now and again and its always nice to know that you are not the only one going through it



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just when you think you are all alone in the world....you find a cool-f'ing site like VR. Its been better than therapy....however, a nice thorazine drip would be really relaxing, but I'll definitely settle for some of the friends I've made on VR :)



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Call me wacky, but I don't see this place as being a victim support. The reason I say this being that in most of the posts and journals I've read, the writer doesn't actually claim to be a victim. What they do is what they do, and they talk about it here because here they will find people of like minds. Out in the "Real World", you say the tiniest thing about hurting yourself or someone else in any way, even in jest, they're ready to call you psycho.

I speak from experience when I say that if you mention to someone about your secret desire to give your cousin a vivasection using a rusty butterknife, the people will back away from you, slowly.



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CannibalBoy
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22:45:16 Oct 03 2005
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I love this site!!!! i love the ppl on here and i feel like i can talk to almost everyone here



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22:50:48 Oct 03 2005
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Yeah it definately makes you feel comfortable on here. Obviously you can't get on with everyone. But my close friends on here are like my angels, and you know who you are.



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00:57:47 Oct 04 2005
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i would say it could be used for both i know i use it for a support area because i have people too hear me out and tell me advice on my situtations so thanks for letting speak ( or type)



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NonMortusEst69
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01:32:28 Oct 04 2005
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Most individuals think that depression is just around what most of you call...'the dark scene'....Which is misleading

Depression, loneliness and so on can be found everywhere.....



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as to the posted question is seems both but i do have depression, anxiety, and self harm stuff so yeah



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Echo
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02:43:08 Oct 04 2005
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I hav often had chats with people who ask for help, as I'm happy to listen and try to help others out.

I don't personally like to share my personal issues, unless I REALLY know someone... but even then, I usually keep these things to myself.

I think its great that people find suposrt here, I just dont personally think its something I often feel comfortable with.



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passiondragon
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17:32:16 Oct 04 2005
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Shit, im really impressed with the amount of responces regarding this.
So it seems the majority find this site both for vampires and victims.
I have to agree, there is quite the community spirit here. Although not everybody can get along here, there are enough willing people to form a community. And as i read, alot of people willing to help others with there problems all be it from there own personal experience. I must agree that i too prefer to help than be helped but thats just me.



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STABB666
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Whilst I appreciate the sentiment expressed here, it must be said that there are very few trained counsellers or people with the kind life experiences that enables one to provide balanced and objective advice.

Please be careful what you say and to whom, as I know that I have been guilty of putting my foot in it.



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passiondragon
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Hmm ,by all means i am not advertising that you all must instantly trust someone on this site, that would be silly. But there are enough honest people on here that are genuine helpers.
Needless to say, yes i agree that you shouldent just jump at the chance to get help,there are false people on here too. caution is a sure way to trust.



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heh...i lub this site ^^ my friends here help me w/ my trust issues and all that stuff.....o.O thats why i've been here for about a year teehee...^^' i lubs all you that help meh...its like therapy without paying anything! yay! lol



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Very good advice Stab.



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im not a vamp but itd be cool



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Well life sucks and then you die, but, what if it just kept going on for eternity?

That is rather how I feel. Just a bit darker than most of the world around me so am attracted to the other dark beings which also have a tendency towards bringing part of the darkness inside themselves into their own lives and those they touch,

yeah I know insane psychobabble
I shush



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Echo
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23:29:59 Oct 04 2005
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STABB has a really good point... proffessional help is always a good thing.



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neneka
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yeah but most the profesionals i went too well they ether tryed too stick me on drugs or tell me i was lying so trust my friends opinions more and i agree you should get too know someone before you tell them everything that is personal



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Echo
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23:46:34 Oct 04 2005
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Well, maye you just didn't find the right person.



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zilverscale
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lol rave on!!!



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I love the Rave because there's a lot of people that share similar interests to me. Some of these people feel more like family than my own does.

I've never met other people with Hematodipsia before I went on here, and now I know a bunch that share my "sickness" and we support each other.

It's kind of like... terminal lonliness. Like AIDS patients, you find others that have the same thing and become uberclose through it all.

Or maybe I'm just an emotional trainwreck and I need to shuddap.



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Echo
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No... I think you have a good point.



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I think for some people its Vampire Rave and for others its victim support. But noone should go through bad things without some support of whatever issues you might be going through. Yes there is alot of people who have problems, but at least they are open so people who are shy know that it will be ok. I probably made no sense with this but I knew what I was trying to say I just dont think I did it to where you can understand.



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danzig1330
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Perhaps so many feel comfrontable talking with ppl here about their problems is because for the most part we are strangers who won't meet and can press the block button on anyone we no longer want to talk to.



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I think people come to the Rave to find others who society view as strange....

Even the most hardened loner needs those who they see as Peers. It's nice to be around people who don't judge us because we are different, and will help us when we need it.

The Rave is not victem support..... it's a family, perhaps the best family some us have.

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this site does help those who feel like one of a kind



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deathnitegrl
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Professional help well....I think it's helpful if you someone who cares more for you than to his money.

But some might be here just to find a friend and yes support each other.



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passiondragon
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You see, i find it helps in 2 ways on this site. Firstly, you dont know people you try to help and hence have an un-biased oppinion. I for one feel more comfortable speaking to people on this site because i know (with the exception of a few) i am never going to meet these people and they will not openely judge.
Another point i think would be good to make is that, alot of psychatrists and councellors have rarely been in the situations there helping to deal with and in some cases can make it worse, this is my oppinion from experience.
I think to sum it up, this is more of anonymous group therapy, and i find that it helps me more than any psychaitrist.



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deathnitegrl
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Exactly.Ifact I believe that when a person tells about her problem with someone that passed trough the same things or is passing,it feels more comfortable.

Cause from what I believe support can also mean friendship:)



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That's one of the things that the news stories and such love to dwell on... I mean lets face it, we do a lot of silly stuff sometimes... :-) And when you find other people with the same set of issues you have it can be unsettling (That's my personal opinion anyway) but yes, I agree with you. I myself suffer from depression and a few other things...
I find a lot of people on their profiles say the same thing...



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I myself am not depressed, just into vampires, but I have noticed the same as you.



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well everyone of us at a time or another feels depressed because we r all humans...and we all face certain dificulties in life..well but we have to try and find that inner force inside of us..so we can carry on:)



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well this is vampire rave first you look at any goth website and you will come across ppl with depression it seems like its a thing that comes with goths but not all like myself have deppression issues I am in very much control of my emotions if I really have ant



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I agree , there are problem like this in every community, and this is a community. It's just that from the moment you log on to this sight you feel comfortable. Comfort alows us to put down our walls and express our feelings, especially the ones we usually repress. So it's no suprise people with problems are relating to eachother, they are finally comfortable enough to talk.



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Yes, i think there comfortable enough to express themselves through pictures, writing and in general, there self perception, a profile is alot about how people see themselves, others sometimes see things differently.
Someone posted a paragraph mentioning how most goths are depressed. I think it is quite the different situation, i think alot of depressed people turn to the gothic culture to express what there feeling regarding there depression, im not saying all goths are depressed or all depressives are goths. But the two are linked sometimes, im really a prime example of the circumstance....sadly.



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Problems with emotional distress, self-mutilation, feeling alienated, and so on is not just strictly limited to the "goth" community. The problem exists everywhere; it's just that those who aren't "emo-goths" tend to keep it to themselves.



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LordActon
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i agree with octavia



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I think the thing about the goth community that is so appealing to someone that suffers depression is that it makes their affliction beautiful.



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deathnitegrl
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I hate it when the gothic scene is labelled with depression,but it's true that a lot of teenagers when angstish tend to like this scene.What I hate is those who pretend they're depressed just to show how ''gothic'' they are.

If that was the case,then my mum was was a goth 10 years ago,cause she suffered from depression -_-



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The whole goth thing has been around for a long time....Hell, I was goth 25 years ogo, except then we called it new romantic. and 20 years befor that it was beatnick. But I do agree people shouldn't belittle a real disorder by pretending to suffer from it so they can look cool. I just meant the community appeals to those already dealing with depression because they can hide their real pain within the beautiful broodiness of the tortured soul persona some goth subcultures embody.



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Yes,I know I got your point moon:)



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Just as with any society, or community.. you are always going to have those people who are genuinely afflicted with various maladies, and then you are going to have the ones who afflict themselves for attention, and again those who do it just because they have no other form of self expression... I think that Vampire Rave, as a community sees the whole gambit of these afflictions from those who really have issues to those just looking for attention.. either way , a community is just that ... a place where the members help each other out... emotionally.... but i agree that you have to remain safe when talking to people who you do not know.. your vulnerabilities make you easy prey. The vampire rave gives people who other wise have no outlet for these issues a place to voice them , even if it is just in a profile... It also allows others of a like mind an opportunity to come together and discuss like issues of vampyrism and other occult issues that normally would not be voiced in other communities... So i believe that The Vampire Rave is just that, and that expressing our internal issues just an added bonus.



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passiondragon
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Thank you WillowshadowfoX, i think you have probably summed this whole thing up perfectly.
People come to this site, obdviously due to the vampyric context, alot of these people will find out that there is an added bonus of a very open community regarding there issues or problems.
I must state though from a few messages before. There are people who for instance self harm as an escape and there are those who as said do it for attention.
I believe this is just two methods of dealing with whatever problem is at hand, in effect, those who do it for attention are just as equal as those who dont, the common ground that ties them is the fact that to do something like that is a result of problens or issues with in the person, i dont think they should be penalised for craving attention.



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joshatemi
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05:20:29 Oct 08 2005
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Yes I do believe that you are right. There are a lot of people that are trying to still find themselves, are depressed, and so forth and so on....



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tool1991
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06:32:37 Oct 08 2005
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Very well put, I have gotten over many things since I joined, my small srug problems, cutting, failed suicide attempts, and being constantly depressed. This is like my home in a sense, and also having met my bf here, it has a place in my heart.



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passiondragon
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23:45:40 Oct 09 2005
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Hmm, Vampire rave, victim support and now a dating agency!
I must admit, i found someone special here too, her name is Joanna and i love her very much (everyone, awwwwww)
Anyways, thank you all for contributing to this.



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NonMortusEst69
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00:05:55 Oct 10 2005
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*agrees with hellsphreak

Beside what I stated before there are problems like this everywhere. That’s life, deal with it or Stay crying for attention!



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passiondragon
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19:48:48 Oct 10 2005
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Hmmm, this is the turning point where some people here cry for attention to others on the site.
And some people get help dealing with there problems from others here.
Sometimes people need help with things, its a sad fact of humanity.



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the666inside
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23:15:37 Oct 10 2005
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Yeah i joined this site to hopefully meet someone i could hang out with or something of the sort. I have been here for over a year now, still no luck. I guess i am just that lonely



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deathnitegrl
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23:20:56 Oct 10 2005
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A comunity site can be used in different ways cause we'r different people even though we can find a lot in common.We are all different and this even affects the reasons why we're here.

It's the same with problems.Everyone deals with them in a different way,so yeah unfortunately we'll find people who we won't agree with their opinions/behaviour like a lot won't agree with ours.

People can cry for attention everywhere,and everywhere can mean even here,but most likely here there can be people who are helpful more than any other place.



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deathnitegrl
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23:22:11 Oct 10 2005
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And yes it can used as a date agency since some search for love here,if that makes them happy let them do it.



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theblairwitch
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23:58:49 Oct 10 2005
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IT has been both for me and i intend to love this site more and more everyday. i look at it as a support system and more. a meeting place for all kinds.



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LadyRavenBlack
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00:55:09 Oct 11 2005
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Well I see it as being both, thats what it is for me. I have some issues that Ive found others with the same problems that I get along with very well. I am a vampyr and I have friends who either are vampyrs or are interested in vampyrs. This is just a very wonderful place where all kinds can come to and find someone who is just like them.



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Kraven81
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02:51:42 Oct 11 2005
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I myself have had bouts of depression, self anxiety, lack of self confidence, And all those other things... I have also helped alot of people on here and have been helped by others on here as well. I think that every needs a shoulder to cry on at least once in there lives and if they said that they don't then they are full of it.



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Requiem
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04:36:39 Oct 11 2005
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Length. =)



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