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gloomygurl
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I was having a discussion with my history class today and somehow we came to the topic of Vampires....The teacher asked if some people would act different if they ever met a real vampire...Some said yes and some said no....Majority thought that they were foul creatures and that they would stake them if they ever got the chance to do so....IT really made me mad...But my question is how did people get the wrong impression about vampires?

Either the way that most think that vampires are just no good and rotten ~grins evily~

Or how do they think that vampires are weak and can be overthrown if they ever show their face??

It was a very good debate...I actually wish that you were all their to join.....




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like so many things we people tend to make things out to be evil or wrong.people do this when they dont understand whats before them.they say it's easyer to kill some thing you dont understand then to deal with it.there for we give them titles lie evil or there just bad and so forth but thats just my opion



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it is the media that makes them out one way or another and people follow that picture like sheeps!!!!!



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07:27:46 Oct 06 2005
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You knwo, many just say that only because it's "Politically correct" to do so, nothing else...



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But my question is how did people get the wrong impression about vampires?>>>>simple answer:Cause they believe in the fiction books and movies steryotypes..

Also if there was someone who knew the truth,would you think that he/she would say it in front of everyone?Absolutely no,cause people are narrow minded about this subject and if someone said his'her opinion in public everyone would call him/her mad and laugh at him/her!

That's why I shut my mouth where vampires are discussed in real life.I feel very angry inside and want to shout at their ignorance,but I better keep myself calm!

Not everyone is ready to know the truth.Not everyone is open-minded enough,it's the brutal truth,what you have to care of,that you know what's true and what's fake.



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09:02:40 Oct 06 2005
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People hear things from other people, and are usually misguided from the real truth. That's what my school was like...the problem is that no one has the true honest facts down straight.



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10:59:31 Oct 06 2005
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most little kiddies know about vampires through the old stories... dracula for example and nowadays through movies...

everyone does it... even on this site.

nobody knows everything



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i think the public at large is generally misinformed about many things, not just vampires, but we have movies, and books, and yes even myths and legends to thank for the hideous mask that has been put on Vampire kind. I also think that there are too few of us to be able to change the narrowmindedness of the general population... perhaps one day that will change...until then it is a sad society we live in where ignorance is considered bliss.



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13:05:09 Oct 06 2005
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You cannot understand something motives its evil, like Satan, like Vampires and like murders who had just killed for killing.



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13:05:58 Oct 06 2005
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Everyone thinks of vampires from film, and most of them are rotten.

Nobody thinks about HLV's etc because thats just not cool enough.

We can't go around acting like everyone else is a different and dilluded species to us, as really they are interested in just the same fancy movie paraphonaelia that everyone else is.



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15:06:43 Oct 06 2005
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Well I have courted Death for years so would be unlikely to discourage contact between myself and a "real vampire" but really just like anyone or anything else...
If I do not like the person or thing then not going to waste my time ....



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15:11:21 Oct 06 2005
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I have a q.... how did vampires get tha wrong impresion of vampire slayers?
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16:30:34 Oct 06 2005
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It's a mix of things

Hollywood has brought upon the cloak and dagger element.. the black tux, the hair, the skin...

Famous books brought across the romantic element. The saddened vampire, lost for eternity, seeking his place.

History and people's conceptions of the times brought on the undead mass of zombie like evil ...



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I heard is also from the bible that they get the wrong impression. Though I think there are different types of bibles. I don't know. I don't read the bible.

But if anything I wouldn't mind meeting a vampire and talking to him/her. Just as long I don't get bitten by one. Then I would be pissed.



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Yeah even if you search the internet most of the info would be the same even in dictionary.com:

vampire-

1. A reanimated corpse that is believed to rise from the grave at night to suck the blood of sleeping people.
2. A person, such as an extortionist, who preys upon others.
3. A vampire bat.



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mujst agree.. well as time passed by everyone started building notions..about what vampires are and where they came about... all of the reasons may be true.. but they have been seen by society as being wierd and bizzare...maybe cause the anemic persons in the past looked very pale..they were seen different by society and as we all have noticed towards..these years..difference frightened society... so these * wierd people* (including witches) were just pushed apart from society and were considered as bad,...and dark..



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20:39:18 Oct 06 2005
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Yeah as usual :Humanity fears the Unknown.



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20:40:45 Oct 06 2005
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unfortuntately..it`s so sad...



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Opilia
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00:43:05 Oct 07 2005
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It's not sad, just human nature.. if you weren't it, or didn't know about it, you'd be scared too...



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I like meeting new people. Labeling vampires as Good or Evil or holy or unholy would be the same as saying a person is differnt because the color of their skin or the creed they believe.

People are people, no matter their ilk. And I would welcome the opportunity to meet a real vampire, as I would welcome the opportunity to meet any new person with a differnt perspective then my own.

Ambrosius



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01:07:51 Oct 07 2005
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Hmmm. Thank you everyone for your input..



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i think that most people got the wrong idea from movies



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You can't blmes movies for the actions of someone when they kill ,they say...that movie or that game made me do it.What about the 1000's of others that watched or played ...they never had those thoughts.



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06:49:04 Oct 10 2005
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I agree with you totally...Good way to put it........



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I agree with you totally...Good way to put it........



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we are portrayed in what one could consider a very narrow light. The public perception of us is that we all are fairly rich and live in expansive castles where we sleep in our coffins until nightfall, when we go out and feast upon the living!

Another perception of us is from a more modern look- we all wear leather and we all are basically white people (which is untrue; vampirism can affect anyone of any race or ethnicity; its a universal thing that could even apply to animals if an animal managed to 'catch' vampirism)


In reality however, we vampires can look like anybody. Some of us, (including myself) may wear leather and wear black or listen to alternative music or whatever you can possibly throw at us, but really, we could be your grocer, your neighbour, your school teacher, even your significant other may be one of us (atleast they may have some strain of vampirism; different for each vampire)

Just my thoughts.



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07:59:34 Oct 10 2005
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people have issues wiht anything different than themselves.. not just vamps. I have been treated oddly my whole life. I went to see AC/DC and Rod Stewart all in the same year. I love old Black Sabbath and the Monkees. I can't be put in a box so people either laugh with me or at me. Only thing is I really don't care what they think anymore so if they don't like me.. let em. Same with vamps. If ppl want to act like they are evil let them, their loss



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08:06:00 Oct 10 2005
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the people with the most kindness and virtue may not always be considered "normal" or "hip" but it truly is their loss, as the people whom you'd least expect to extend the branch of friendship and understanding may dress alternatively, think alternatively, and with us vampires specifically, be an alternative state of life, or unlife, depending how you look at it.



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09:05:29 Oct 10 2005
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It's not just the movies that bring about the wrong image...

It's the sterotype...

and the thing about steretyping is that it's based on what you normally get when you see something... So becaue bad news makes better headlines, everyone knows the worst case senario..



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this isn't very difficult.... look at the common media.... most fiction shows/portrays vampires as being killers, hunters and evil doers.... even vampires like Lestat are portrayed badly... unless obiously you've read the whole thing... and then you know that evena vampire can change! But still people who just reach the surface... get the face value of the situation.... reaching the bottomline that vampires are bad! People who talk well about them well... are the ones that know better.

Think about it this way, have you ever known a vampire as portrayed by the media as being good? Most people don't even believe that they exist... because they expect to meet what the media presents... at the end of the day the media is what is F**king us up the A**e



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09:36:05 Oct 11 2005
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I agree.........



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10:50:20 Oct 11 2005
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I think they get the impression from hollywood just like everyother vampire impression



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I think that when people are in public and the subject of vampires comes up, people tend to just agree with what the majority agrees is right and sane. Like most people (people obviousy not on this site) think that vampires are hideous creatures of the night that kill and have no heart, and are just pure evil. *smirks* Ok, well I like the evil part, but anyway! They don't know the truth about vampires and what they are ACTUALLY like, they just judge on what the majority THINKS is right. which is actually wrong. I really wish I was at your school when you were having that discussion in your history class because that would have been interesting to hear what other people had to say about vampires, especially more people like us. I for one am not going to go around saying I believe in vampires and that they are awesome and I want to drink blood and whatever else I think. But, I'm also not going to just agree with the majority of ignorant people out there that just don't know any better. I'm not going to be a sheep if that's what you want to call it and just follow the flock :P lol.



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I agree with inside and yendor



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I agree that people pick up their perceptions of what is and isn't by what they read and hear through the media, of all types, not just books and movies. Unfortunately, not only does it give rise to the negative perceptions that you discussed, but it gives the wrong positive impression to people who think that being vampiric is equal to being rich, beautiful, forever young etc. The fact of the matter is that history is rarely written by the people who were actually there, but by people who wish they had been. The only person who knows the truth is the one who WAS there, and they rarely talk.



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Exactly RedQueen.



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The reason the Vampires are given a " bad rap" is because books and movies make them out to be demonic creatures of the night bent on sucking human mortals dry of every last drop of blood... For most, myself included, this is simple not true.. There are the occasional few that asct the way these books and movie potray them but for others like myself we would not harm a souls and just want to carry on our lives as though nothing had changed.



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True, true...Although, When I asked someone about vampires and what they thought about them and where they got their impressions from....I was answered with this...

I believe that vampires are and can "act" like normal people, with emotions and the according..But also they can be very violent when they have to..."

The unnamed also stated that where he got his feelings on vampires is from books...And he also agrees that in movies, they do tend to make things up and profile Vampires in an evil catagory, because really, nobody knows what they are about and do not know what they are capable of.........

Now, that is coming froma mortal...What do you think?



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That it is good to see someone who's open minded.



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I just do not trust anyone as far as I can throw them.. And for a mortal to be that open minded... It makes me wonder..



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deathnitegrl
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Well am open-minded even though am a ''mortal'' if you want to call it that way-_-



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I've only got one things to say:

NEVER be afraid of the dark; be afraid of what's in it.



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i wish i was there to put my two cents

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People make assumptions, it is a necissary part of life, and unfortunitly they place bad assumptions upon people without the knowledge of what or who they reallt are. I am sorry you had such a bad experience.



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i think it is the people who were scared of the vampires that started making up rude accusations



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soem vampires only feed on those you took a life themselves so we take a life who had taken one too



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Yeah sounds like it was a good debate.



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i wish i was there for it



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FoLlOw ThE wHiTe RaBbIt.....



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anjelica
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some people are afraid of things they don't know.



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FoLlOw ThE wHiTe RaBbIt.....



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lol@ blackrose..



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I agree with all of you and wish that you were all there, our debate would have been the best and would have never stopped..At least that is how I see it.



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i really think the controversy over it is half of what makes it so interesting to me. :)



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if something/someone is different then they are automaticaly different... or at least thts what the majority of the population believe...



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meh I agree with my buddy Kraven81



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once again instead of people trying to learn about something, they would rather fear it or try to destroy it



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Echo
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I suppose that the main thing that makes this such an interesting thread, is that nobody can sum up a real vampire in one sentence, andhave everyone agree with them, therefore there are so many reactions...



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TV AND THE MEDIA IS TO BLAME on this one evryone watches tv but all they show is the vamps as bad guys that is wrong we need to change that



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I think, like I said before, that the media should be tortured. Just cuz they think we are sooo horrible...

But before they die *grins evily* I think that they should know that, just because we can get a little dirty.....somtimes...that we can also be okay...I mean don't cross our path and we will be okay, right...Well unless you are crazy and deranged at all times...


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well lets see...bloodsucking creatures of the night that have no soul and no compassion for "humans" as i have heard said on vr recently and consider mankind beneath them.
and no...tv and the media are not to blame...i guess in ancient times the anchormen where to blame for their nightly bashing of vampires...oh wait..there was no tv or media then.most people couldnt even read...so dont blame books and the media for the actions of individuals that claimed to be vampires that have commited atrocities.throughtout time and history...vampires have ALWAYS been foul creatures of the night.



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Ugh....



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Well the myth of vampires arose from a man in transylvania, or someplace like that, might have been romania, but anyways. This man was attributed to leading countless virgins to their death. he would lull some innocent girl to his abode whence he would brutalize them, toss them on this bleeding table, where he would cut the wrists and the back of the ankles so they would bleed to death, the blood pooling in vessels wich he would usually have a glass of their blood before taking them outside and placing his victims on a tall stake in the air where the vultures and carrion eaters would feast upon their bloodless bodies. It was after the town had had enough that they went to his house and stacked him on one of his own stakes and left him. Thus the idea of stakes through the heart was the only way to kill a vampire. But it was because of this "vampire" the one true and pure blood, as is soi said in hollywood, that this evil has been spurned, that all vampires deserve a wicked and untimely demise



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well i guess YOU believe that being a vampire is all pretty and a wonderful thing.thats good...just remember why vampires are famous...the most well know who actually lived was vlad(the impaler) tepesh. so ugh on you.you mean to tell me you seriously dont think vampires are "foul creatures"...thats what attracts me to them. the fact that they are callous,calculating,and ruthless killers of man,woman,and children alike and who's only fear is sunlight.~grins evily~



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well straight...you seem to be describing Vlad Tepesh...or dracul,dracuila(sp?)or dracula...whichever.the man was truly a brutal force of nature.he never lulled anyone to his abode.he would have feasts where while he was feeding he would be having people disemboweled,decapitated,and skewered on spikes...and yes he would drink the blood.So unless someone has a direct link to his bloodline and I dont think anyone has or ever will...they can't claim to be "pureblood"
Vlad was a foul creature...would you agree with that aspect.infant's killed,their mothers,servants.



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Vampiric folklore was around since Sumerian times mind you...



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and if im not mistaken yendor...their reputation back then were of ghoulish,foul creatures.



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i mean...like i heard a few times..."what? You dont like rice....how can a billion people be wrong"
with saying that let me say this. since sumerian times...before the time of christianity...vampires have been said to exist...and be considered evikl,foul creatures of the night whose only purpose is to FEED.so because people on vr say "they blame society for "judging what they dont know"...well,obviously everyone you ask about vampires does say the same thing pretty much.



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ur teacher must be a real jerk;)



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well...if he had a healthy debate with his students then why is he a jerk.I mean if you think about he did what he felt was ok.to have an open-discussion.I mean really...how many creatures LIKE their predators.none.you dont see field mice hanging with boa constrictors do you.same principle. and todays media doesnt make vampires look bad.the people potraying vampires and commiting murders saying they are nosferatu do.so lets stop bs'ing ourselves with this"why are we misunderstood?" melodrama.so people judge...OH MY GOD...THEY DO? when did this happen...oh wait ,i remember now...since the dawn of time.people on here want to portray vicious vampires and act like an immortal but the first sign that people actually take what they say seriously then everyone's in a rage because"they are judging me without knowing me"
grow up.



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i believe people think so low of vampires b/c of the way the media potrays us. Ever since I have let it bw known that i am a vampire people look at me differently as if i am going to kill them and i blame the media for the VampirePhobia that is sweeping this planet!



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are you serious.the media and movies if anything has glorified the vampire culture and turned into an acceptable way.buffy the vampire slayer,angel,the little vampire(disney people....disney) so stop blaming the media,movies,because it isn't like vampires popped out of nowhere only in the 20th-21rst century.thats like a fat person blaming Mcdonalds because they gorge on 3-4 big macs a day and have a coronary(sp?)maybe the people act differently towards you because maybe you've acting the wrong way towards them,i.e. being rude,arrogant,acting better than them.and you telling them you are a vampire(why you would is beyond me...some practices are best kept private.)just made it easier for them to dissassociate with you and have a reason.or maybe...they just are ignorant and a worthless mound of flesh.For every lie that is told there is a bit of truth to it.For every fable told a hint of actuality did exist.vampires are killers of the night with an insatiable hunger/thirst for blood.
blame anne rice then.or any vampire novelist for that fact for vampires being portrayed negatively...blame the vampire for being what they are.killers who feed on the living.



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I think the very fact that vampire "stories" have lasted for centuries is a pretty good indicator of the influence the vampiric lore has in society.
I merely smile when some of the misconceptions are discussed in my presence. Why fight a battle one can't win. When true knowledge is desired, a search will take place, as will my part in it.



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Yes again it goes back to peopel fear what they cannot explain...... and people [in a certain religion] have made them evil so therefore to the majorty of the world they are evil..... *evil grin*



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all i can say on this subject is people are going to think what they are going to think. no one else can make a person see what they dont want to see



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that reminds me of the "Questions of the Universe" class that I took last year. It seemed in that class every topic was fair game- the "school rules" didn't really seem to apply. We talked about sex, suicide, love, controversial marriage situations, rape, ALL sides of all the issues. We had really religious people, realists, pessimists, ...... people with all sorts of different belief systems. When we discussed these things I was always an active participant. Vampirism is a really touchy thing, and I wish someone would have brought it up (me or a friend of mine would have most likely)- but my teacher didn't seem to like that prospect. We were supposed to write an essay on something we researched throughout history in his History class (I had him for both classes) and he wouldn't allow me to do research on vampires for it. The only reason I could imagine why he wouldn't is that with vampires, it's not all hard facts.... but that topic would have been a lot of fun discussing.



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the media...movies are the woarst...lol they never show the kind side....just blown out of popotion myths....



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lol that was suppose to say porportion...lol and i still think it is spelled wrong...lol



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Look Lucious, or however you spell your name, I was not intending to say ugh as a way of telling you that your shit was messed up...I am saying that not ALL vampires are ruthless, cold blooded killers, I mean I can understand that we have our times, indeed we ALL do, but then again there are those who don't go about every act violently, and YES the media and movie makers lie about us because they don't know everything about us, so please do not get cocky...



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think of it this way...people with nothing but misery in theri lives tend to blame others for their faults in life...movies,music,TV,games...THESE people need to stop bitching and moaning about how sad their lives are and do something about...not kill others for it



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Hmm, I think I get what you are saying..



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i agree with you darkwolf



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thank you



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wish i was there too



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It would have been good if everyone was there like I said...



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People watch movies, hear legends, and stories. Of course, people are also ignorant.



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Now see your view on things sounds pretty good to me...



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When it comes to the Vampire issue...people fear what they don't know...as I said in my article on member articles...Vampirism is a diease...but like all blood disorders,it can be treated and not feared



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May I ask how it can be treated? I have never known of a cure....



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not a cure persay...but treated like enemia



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Hmmm. I have never heard of it before...That is interesting..



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I read it in a science magazine afew years back



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Hmm...Seems as though you know a lot..



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I just like to study a little bit about everything



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Hmm, maybe you can teach me somthing one of these days.....



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it all goes to the topic of the movies again; people see stuff in movies and other walks of life and do not look over the point of being a vampire; they see us as foul things that drink blood and try to make others one of us but they do not see the truth; we are from foul and i don't think people need to judge us if they do not understand; someone out there one day will take a stand and tell these ignorant people what vampires really are like; but until then people are left with the image of the stereotypical vampire;



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ok gloomy...let me see if I'm understanding you correctly. So what you are saying is that not all true vampires have an unquenchable thirst for "human" and all the depictions of vampires since before the time of Christ are all wrong. As far as my "shit" being all "messed up". Maybe you should think a little before you make such a ridiculous claim. No-one on this site is a "true vampire" Hello....we are all human, we can walk in the sun,we don't live forever, and as far as however iI spell my name. I seriously doubt you are that ignorant to really try to insult my s/n "gloomygurl"(?)
let's keep it on or about the topic please.As far as me getting cocky the comment wasn't veered towards you personally.So please get over yourself. So for centuries...let me rephrase...aoens(sp?) vampirism has always had one depiction of vampires...killers.Damned corpses that feast on the blood of the living. If I am wrong please show me something reputable where an actual TRUE vampire does a nice thing....idk, maybe work for unicef.So let's just agree to disagree shall we gloomygurl. Stop trying to egg me into a confrontation,pm me if you wanna discuss person attacks against me.otherwise,I'm sticking to my views when i say the movies glorify vampires now in a better perspective than in the past. And yes...ALL TRUE VAMPIRES ARE KILLERS. (true as meaning rising from the grave) Unless you know a true vampire.



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The reason why our view of vampires is so twisted, in my opinion, is because what vampire tells its own story? And what average ignorant pleb believes it?

When you tell a random person that you drink blood or feed off the energy of another, what do you THINK their reaction will be? Fear, confusion.

Vampires have long had to stay in the shadows. And even still, they do to a certain extent.

Stories are told by those who do not understand and those who seek to tell a good story. Old wives tales. How many real life "Interview with the Vampire" type events do you think have taken place? Not hardly enough.

If you cant understand something, you should mystify it, right? Make up somethign even more incredible so it may be dismissed as a tale.

Hollywood took advantage of this. If vampires werent the supernatural creatures they are portrayed as in movies, how could they compete with Terminator? :P



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and who would really care then. Good point. But what about in ancient times when people had the disease to feast on blood and an eye condition to where it hurt to be in the sun. Wouldn't it be feasable that in those times they were ridiculed if not hunted for being vampires and if so...wouldn't that account for certain "vampires" to be forced to kill and attack lets say a villager because there was no understanding towards medical conditions back then. Or maybe they are real and were such extreme killers that they were hunted and went into hiding only to be seen in the shadows taking victims in the night?



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Your idea is very feasable and in fact there probably were such cases.

Vampires have been persecuted, surely, just as witches or any other individual under attack for being misunderstood.

I'm glad you brought this up. But in my opinion, the fact that they were persecuted and needed to take extreme measures to survive, would not mean that vampires have any supernatural powers. In fact, most characteristics of vampires are weaknesses.

Or, maybe over time, the medical condition that classifies a vampire, has become less severe over ages. But as far as I know vampirism cannot be passed on to a child. So it wouldnt have to do with heredity.



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ok..here's a thought that might piss some people off...how about this theory of incest . that would give them freakish strength(sorry bout the term everyone...retard strength)
and lets say that due to this kinda gene manipulation or crossing of same dna their mental capacity diminished to a primal aggressive state...lets say a banished couple accused of being vampires that are just albinos with an allergic reaction to the suns light procreates but the offspring is not allowed to be amonst people.Incest was an acceptable practice quite some time ago.mutated dna with a lacking mental capacity.
now in sever cases of people being allergic to the sun their skin blisters and peels of ina metter of hours sometimes quite sooner(friend in school was severly allergic to sunlight) back then there was no Cure or shot for it. and if untreated the skin will continue to look like a peeling burn blister.



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I am not taken aback by your theory, but rather, applaud you for your innovative thinking. I had never thought of this.

And it is completely possible that a freak dna mutation due to incest would endow someone (who happens to be a vampire) with unusual and above average strength. Or.....maybe agility?

I would like to delve deeper into what I mentioned in my last post. To the best of your knowledge, can vampirism be PASSED ON to offspring?

I know that some are born vampires, because it is an actual medical condition. Im talking about if two vampires mated, does that necessarily mean they will have a child vampire?



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Is particularly directed at you, Lucios. My question, that is. However, anyone may chime in....



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The people in your class that said we are foul and evil... They watch to much T.V. They read to much. If they ever meet an actual vampire they would probally p..s themselves. Here they are in living presence of the "undead". I am sorry I am laughing to hard. What they fail to relize is that we can give them another life or we can kill them. They could not overpower us. No matter how hard they tried.
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"If they ever meet an actual vampire they would probally p..s themselves."~celestial

and why would they piss themselves is vampires are portrayed falsely in journals,movies, and the media. I hope you are just poking fun when you claim to be a vampire and I'm hoping you realize what we(the VR community) is a form of rpg.Because if not you just helped prove my point about ignorance.
well...I would think that if it is a disease and that if ut is "contagious" I don't see why it wouldnt be transmittable.Alcoholism and drug addiction is hereditary(sp?) So why not an addiction to blood.



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Hmm.....anyone else have a thought to that? Vampirism as a hereditary trait?



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In addition to media perceptions - people are also going to tend to have their perception impacted by social and religious groups as well. If you're taught that something is the work of "the devil" - you're not going to have a high opinion of it.



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Which is why I strive so much to not be ignorant, hahaha....I've actually done my fair share of educating these types of blindly led people.



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as with almost anything most people base there opinions by movies they have seen or storys or what they have heard from other people.
Sadly to few people take the time to get the true facts and make and informed opinion



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yeah...



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i agree with stormwind



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The problem is that people don't stop, look, and listen to themselves... If they did, who knows what there hearts could truely find...



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that in which people dont understand is thought of as being evil in many cases. people choose not to look into the beauty of vampires, so they choose to believe things movies say or that of which is evil, morbid and foul. but what they dont know is what lies in the darkness holds the "brightest" light towards beauty.



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PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF WHAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND AND SEEK TO DESTROY IT. THEREFORE THEY MAKE IT OUT TO BE EVIL SO THAT OTHERS WILL JOIN IN THE EFFORT TO DESTROY WHAT IT IS THEY FEAR. A JUSTIFICATION



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are you smoking crack?
where in the history books do you ever read of vampires being beautiful...and please don't say Anne Rice.Since before the time of Christ there have been accounts and reported vampiric activity and not one has it been said "what lies in the darkness holds the "brightest" light towards beauty."

you are a shining example of the arrogance and ignorance that makes people feel the way they do.Unless you find beauty in bleeding someone to death.




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i think its basically down to ignorance. If people dont want to learn the truth, they wont. they'll believe what they see in movies or read in books and think the most rediculous things.Noone wants to learn more about vampireism or any faith which they deem evil or wrong.In some cases they jst believe what they see because they cant be bothered to find out the truth.



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vampire
1. A blood-sucking ghost; a soul of a dead person superstitiously believed to come from the grave and wander about by night sucking the blood of persons asleep, thus causing their death. This superstition is now prevalent in parts of Eastern Europe, and was especially current in Hungary about the year 1730. "The persons who turn vampires are generally wizards, witches, suicides, and persons who have come to a violent end, or have been cursed by their parents or by the church," (Encyc. Brit)

http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Vampire

But I guess every one is ignorant and only the teenagers who know everything are right.Because they're all TRUE vampires...right?



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Or maybe they just want to believe their OWN truth...like you say...it all boils down to ignorance and how far you truly are willing to research "facts"



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and by the way...movies and "fictional" books are the only ones to portray vampires as beautiful,romantic,and enchanting creatures with souls.Historic accounts of vampires recall them as babysnatchers, killers of whores and drunkards in alleyways...but I guess thats part of their "beauty" now isn't it



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i think the whole reason is because of the whole story about dracula. 2 years ago we talked about it in my history class and he told us all the vampire stuff was based on a guy in romania who was rich and would like stick rods up people asses and it would go out their throats and all this other crap.... and he wore a cape and black blah blah and his name was something like dracula....thats what i think



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i think that humans just grew jealous of the vampiric power and so thought them evil



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and that would be my opinion in which you dont know the full story behind. you making comments on what others say is more of the example of arrogance. i'm not talking of the actions of a vampire showing the beauty. i'm talking about the being within whom deals with the certain things on a daily basis. and for you not knowing experiences a person has had and their reasoning therefor dont prejudge somebody by one opinion they hold.



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and as for this "only the teenagers who know everything are right.Because they're all TRUE vampires...right? " no that wouldn't be right. because as a general statement teenagers are stupid as hell and think they know all but they dont because most of them are assholes who dont wish to respect those who actually know what they are talking about.

and. back to the beauty. depending on whom you are as a person your opinion on beauty and death is completely different than others. i welcome it and look for the beauty in which it posesses. others do not it all depends on your way of thinking and how you wish to live your life. we live to die as i think.books about vampires such as written by anne rice only give those who dont really want to learn the truth of the creatures a story line to believe in. then there are others who look into the history. and see what they have done in the past.



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I believe that makign comments in response to what another individual says is the concept of a thread, OneFinalGravenResponse. Differences of opinion are not uncommon, you know. Maybe he was a little rude in his response, but you needn't be so defensive.

I understand both your points, and albeit miscontrued at times, they are both right.



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Now, back to the topic...



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