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As someone who identifies with both Christianity and Vampyrism, I have looked in many places to find answers as to whether or not these paths are mutually exclusive. I have, of course, studied the Bible and found that it has very little to say on the subject of drinking blood (yes, it is in there, but not very much in comparison with other topics) and it says nothing at all about what we would think of as Vampyrism today.

I then began reading many, many occult-themed books on the subject of vampyrism in its many forms and was left with more questions than I started with. Arguably, this could signify that I was on the right track if my mind was challenged enough to seek even more knowledge, but that's beside the point.

So, now, I come to you, dear readers to seek your opinions on the subject. Put plainly:

1) Does being a Christian mean that you cannot be a Vampire?

2) Does being a Vampire mean that you cannot be a Christian?

I look forward to your responses and eagerly await all opinions.

I'm having a hard time trying to come up with an answer for this, because it really would depend on what type of vampirism you practice or if you believe yourself to be born, made, or whatsoever.
If you believe yourself born or if you "need" blood to survive(hypothetically) than how could Christianity condemn something you can't possibly change?

Of course, a lot of people practice mixed and even contradicting beliefs. It is up to the individual for them to decide if it's right for them.

I also agree. In the end it is up to the individual. But I know that from personal experience this does/did not work for me. but even before I was awakened I question Christianity.

From my point of view Christianity is full of hypocrites. ( no not everyone but lots that I have met ). So I do not think the two would get along very well. *shrugs* it is all up to that individual person.

If one defines Vampirism in terms of Western fiction (i.e., Vampires as blood-sucking, fang-brandishing, crucifix-fearing, Hell-destined "Undead"), then absolutely there is no reconciliation. To Western eyes, the Vampire is antithetical to Christianity. However, the Vampire is most certainly not of Western origins...but of Slavic origin (Central & Eastern European, primarily). And their original accounts describe the Vampire in terms quite different from those of fiction.

As Dr.s Bruce McClelland, Paul Barber, Jan Perkowski, Sabina Ispas and many others have pointed out for decades... the actual Slavic Vampire was not ever a blood drinker. In fact, as Dr. McClelland provides so well in his latest book ("Slayers and Their Vampires"), the first-ever definitive written reference to an actual Vampire was found in a 1047 CE document written by a man who called himself, "Father Vampire Insatiable".

That's right... he was a Christian priest. Specifically, he was a priest, scholar and linguist in the Eastern Orthodox faith working and personally known to Prince Yaroslav of Russia, son of the Czar Yaroslav the Great.

there isnothing in cristianity which says you cant be a vampire or a donor

"..... it really would depend on what type of vampirism you practice or if you believe yourself to be born, made, or whatsoever.
If you believe yourself born or if you "need" blood to survive(hypothetically) than how could Christianity condemn something you can't possibly change?"

You make an excellent point here and have shown me that I need to further clarify my question. I am speaking about born vampires, whether psy or sang, and encompassing any of the.....substrata(?) of "species" that are covered under the umbrella term of "Vampire". These, for lack of a better term, subspecies of vampire would include, but not necessarily be limited to, the following:

Incubus/Succubus/Tantric vampires
Strigoi Vii/Viu
Psychic/psi vampires/Pranic vampires
Sanguine
Elemental vampires
Astral/Dreamscape vampires
Magickal vampires

Each of these types of vampires feed on energy in one form or another and have as many similarities to each other as they do differences. So, I have clarified my meaning to BORN vampires of any of the above types that I mentioned. I don't personally ascribe to the belief in made/turned vampires, only born vampires, awakened or unawakened.

And so, to the rest of you out there, the question remains open.

1) Can Vampires be Christians?

2) Can Christians be Vampires?

Thank you for clarifying. Since you cannot change who you are as a vampire, then Christianity is not out of the question, in my opinion. If people are allowed to choose their religions, then you have a right to do so as well.
Christianity doesn't condemn vampirism nor does it say who is allowed to believe or not.
Many Christians find things "sinful" or "wrong", but they are not the ones to tell you if you can hold faith in the religion.

"However, the Vampire is most certainly not of Western origins...but of Slavic origin (Central & Eastern European, primarily). And their original accounts describe the Vampire in terms quite different from those of fiction."

UpirLikhyj, you are absolutely right on this point. If I'm not mistaken, the use of holy items or relics (holy water, crucifixion wafers, crucifixes, etc.) as weapons against vampires was a later introduction to the vampire mythos which did not originate from the roots of vampire lore as they're found in Central & Eastern Europe.

So, does this indicate that there is no basis in assuming that a vampire is damned according to Christian doctrine? In fact, I don't know of any such doctrine being in existence! Yet, likely thanks to popular fiction, the *belief* that such a doctrine exists is present in the Western popular subconscious. So, a two more questions now comes up:

3) If there is no existing doctrine in any Christian faith, is the vampire then *not* considered damned?

4) If the answer to #3 is "No.", then is it fully possible for a Christian to be vampire and vice versa without any contradiction in belief systems?

NikkiAidyn, thank you for your responses. They are well thought out and very open-minded. That is always appreciated. These questions which I have posed to the group here are of very high importance to a couple of people that I know, so I am listening intently to all that everyone has to say on the subject. Thank you for posting! :)

Number 3: a large amount of the populace would still consider a vampyre damned. Just like many believe gays will go to hell the general consences believes that Vampyres are sure to go to hell as well.

That's a very valid point Samantha. People will believe what they have been taught to believe whether or not that belief system is scripturally sound. It is an unfortunate reality of this world.

There wss a Papal Bull that specifically addresses both witches and vampires...but I can't recall what it says regarding either. Will have to look it up.

While historically they appear anathema to each other, in my opinion how you describe yourself in spiritual terms is your business. So, yes, if you profess xtianity as your path, along with being a vampire, then best of luck. However, realise that other xtians might outright reject you, forthwith, and episodes of disagreement will ensue. You may count on that.

I agree with MasterMel. Your spirituality and your religion are personal choices. You don't have to follow the "rules" of christianity unless you personally have faith in them. The only obstacles are the views of other people.

Jaxness, I did a VR Member Page on how unwise it might be to even express to church people that you follow a vampire lifestyle. I want you to imagine people knocking on your door trying to "save' you. Imagine being a couple, or single parent, with a child and have child protective services, showing up, because someone from your church, calling the authorities and told them, you are abnormal, because you stated you're a vampire.

So I advise to: TELL NONE IN THE CHURCH YOU'RE A VAMPIRE!!

Think of it as fear, envy, and ignorance driving humans. This has always been esspecally true with many religions, the church included.

I believe that there always should be precaution if you are a vampire and wish to life among people. Fearing people and having paranoid delusions about them are, of course something preordained. (Speaking towards mastermel)
People have an issue with anything out of the ordinary or what they're not used to.
If you are sure of what you are and if you're a decent being then you can always explain calmly and in friendly terms what you are.
I may be throwing a wrench into gears saying this, but most Christians aren't those that really matter and will truly accept you.
I feel like this topic has gotten way off point.
It seems like we're now talking about if Christians will accept vampires..
To be stunningly honest, I believe they would, despite their seemingly close minded ways.(Not meant to offend; you can't argue about that anyway;)

*wish to live

All of these viewpoints are fascinating and I appreciate them all. I, for one, would make the church be the last place I would look for acceptance given the fact that I am bi-sexual and have been living with my partner for almost 8 years now. That alone would cause me difficulty. Then to tell them I am a vampire (of any kind) ? I don't hardly think so.

But, yes my intent with my questions was aimed at the theological aspects of Christianity and Vampyrism. It seems that most here feel that the two paths are not mutually exclusive and that it is indeed possible to be a "good" Christian while also being a Vampire.

Any other comments are still most welcome.

I still believe you may be what you want although caution should be considered, when telling certain people. There could be trouble

the irony of it that a priest at mass drinks the blood of christ and then the lay people eat his body.what does that make them all?

That is an excellent point catseye. In fact, part of the doctrine of the Church is that all who take Communion are to believe in the phenomena of transubstantiation, which is the belief that the wine and bread literally become the blood and body of Christ upon being consumed by the believer and that doing this is meant to ensure eternal life through the connection that one then shares with Christ.

The similarities between transubstantiation and vampirism are very close. Perhaps *because* of this, the Church, wanting to distance itself from all folk belief and pagan rituals, declared that vampirism was anathema to the Church. Building on this idea, all practitioners of vampirism would be guilty of performing a "counterfeit version of the Holy Communion", and therefore would be damned to Hell, as would all vampires themselves. But that is just an educated guess on my part as to the origins of the belief in the damnation of vampires. I could easily be wrong. But you are all giving me great food for thought, which was the point of this thread in the first place so, thank you!

Baroness also consider that if you truly belive the wafer and wine are actually the body and blood of christ, you are actually participating in cannibalism.

That would be all too true MasterMel, if I ascribed to such a belief. I do not. I believe that Communion is a useful practice in causing Christians to remember the sacrifices that Christ made, but that is all. To me, it is symbolism.

To the Catholic Church however, the belief in transubstantiation is a serious matter of doctrine. Somehow, they don't consider this to be cannibalism or vampirism, yet they condemn both practices. Hmm.

Thank you for making an excellent point.

I'm similar to the one who posts, I'm a vampire being raised in a Roman Catholic family

at sunday school once they told me that the vampire is the devil made man and crumpled up a picture I drew of one and threw it away. Personally I've never liked the church or what they teach, being on their property has made me uncomfortable since I was little


however it is possible to do, you can be a devout Christian and a vampire. My great grandma is a vampire who's watching over me from above as an honorable member of heaven. The bible has misinterpretations of stuff, if you can connect with an actual angel then they'll support a vampire, I even have a guardian angel because demons like my energy and commonly target me. It's the same one who protected my great grandma when she was alive.

dabbler, need your comment in this question. Ahh well, Vampyrism, a topic used by some to scare kids during camping time. Christianity, a major multimillion corporation which will stand in front of anyone who can try to change the mind of it members. Vampires are creatures of the Devil, IAW with Christian believe, so, to be Christian and at the same time be a Vampire. you must keep it to yourself, because the last thing that you want, is an exorcism in you by the higher priest of Christianity.

I couldn't agree more with you Marcus666. It is that kind of behavior, and worse, committed by the Church that has kept me from darkening their doors for many years now. I am a church of one and I don't need or want the approval of the Church. I chose instead to educate myself on matters of faith and personal doctrine.

I started this thread to get people to think and to share experience and opinions. I think I have been successful in seeing that happen here. I love reading all of the different viewpoints and opinions which have been voiced here.

I was taught that the holy wafer and wine are symbols and the blood and body of christ are metaphors.

As for the topic, I don't know. Christianity can be personaly interpreted like any other religion. I can't imagine a Christian practising any type of vampirism, but then again it is personally interpreted and many modern christians don't follow 100% the bible. If they practice vampirism they have to hide it well, but that is from anyone, you can't really talk about this with everyone.

Baroness, I have enjoyed your thought process throughout this thread. Your extrapolation re: the possibility the Church might have thought to combat Vampirism as a competing and, thus,"heretical" form of blood-drinking group shows a refreshing willingness and capacity to think beyond belief-driven paradigms.

Given that demonstrated capacity, I shall venture to take such a bit further.

We know from many doctorate-level sources that there are no accounts, no evidences that vampires were accused of being blood drinkers prior to the early 18th Century...and the accounts thereafter so accusing them were all from Western non-Slavic sources. Yet, we have accounts mentioning and describing vampires for more than 700 years prior to that...during which time Christianity was also around.

So... if during all that time, vampires were around yet weren't drinking blood, then Christianity wasn't villifying them for it.

And... for the really profound question:

If vampires weren't accused of drinking blood during all those centuries (from prior to 1047 CE to the early 1700s), and only then by non-Slavic sources... then what WERE vampires really known for in their Slavic homelands?

First off, the whole definition of what being a Vampire is ambiguous at best (with the exception of Upirs references).

As to the question, I suspect a Social Identity issue, a person who is apt to spread themselves out between as many social fields as possible. This is done to fulfill a longing to belong. Desperate to respond to peer pressure (because religious conversion is indeed an example of peer pressure). So once a person feels they met their obligation to religion, they can adopt a secondary identity, one that amuses them, and provides them another (more alluring) social network, or clique. In actuality such arrangements fail... first (as stated already) Christians (and most other religions) expect devotion. So a person would only be paying lip service to the religious role, while partaking of the alter identity group.
Eventually even those in the vampire community would tire of the projections of someone who demonstrates a christian leaning. So the question becomes , why would anyone be so desperate that they would grasp at every available social identity?

One could exhaust oneself.
Unless one is seeking to be considered edgy, or confrontational in some manner, by blurring, and grafting opposing social identities.

if you taste of blood, that would seem to be incompatible since there are biblical restrictions forbidding the ingestion of blood. if you are a psy vamp, then you can follow any spiritual path you like. there is nothing biblically forbidding ethical vampirism (as long as blood isnt involved).
~W~

I have actually enjoyed reading this. I was highly skeptical at first but the answers here have been quite interesting opinions.

I believe that a vampire/vampyre can follow Christianity or any religion. I think it is based on a person's own perception of that religion. Since you are specifically talking about Christianity, if you read the occult book "The Book of Lilith" it pretty much explains that 'vampires come from the first wife of Adam' so are pretty much eternally damned.

I, myself, saw the book as an interesting read but nothing to take to heart. I know that Vlad (Dracula) enjoyed the blood of his enemies but was then turned into a vampire in Bram Stroke's novel Dracula. In his life time, Vlad gave his murderous findings to the Catholic church and was very religious. So, would one consider him damned even though his actions showed otherwise?

I do not know if blood symbolizes taking the true essence of life, or if it is supposed to be as if one is trying to be 'god like' due to his words during the last supper. I would think that taking one's life's energy would be more damning than the taking of blood. But in my honest opinion I think that it is up to the person as to whether they will be damned or not. Not because of what they are but because of their actions and what they do as they move through out their life. ~excuse my ramblings`

You all make excellent and intelligent points here. I'm actually a bit surprised that this thread has stayed as intact and on point as it has for as long as it has. I expected that it would break down in short order and that I might get a couple of good replies, at best, before the thread would have to be shut down. I am happy to be wrong about that.

I don't have the time right now to be able to address each of the latest posts right now, but I will answer each of you to the best of my ability, as I am here as much to learn as to share what I know.

I did acturally ask the church about the whole blood and body of Christ thing when I was still associated with the church. They basically said since it is Christ it is not the same as us doing it to another. And then they refused to elaborate for me... As usual.

So in my opinion I think the church is very contradictory. For example they use to tell us that God made everyone perfect just the way they were and then continued to say that one, gays were damned to hell two, we are all horrible sinners that need salvation, and bla bla bla. Can you see my point?

"If vampires weren't accused of drinking blood during all those centuries (from prior to 1047 CE to the early 1700s), and only then by non-Slavic sources... then what WERE vampires really known for in their Slavic homelands?"

Upir Likhyj, here is something I found about the relationship between vampires and humans in Slavic mythology.

These relations were divided into 3 categories: neutral, good and bad.

Neutral:
Vampires were harmless to humans, they howled and moaned at night instilling fear in townsfolk, sometimes one could chat with a vampire in a casual manner, on other occasions vampires threw curses and insults at humans.

Good:
Vampires and other night creatures were supportive towards humans bringing them money or helping with farming, they were also visiting their human families to aid them. Some describe positive encounters of a romantic nature, a kiss from cold invisible lips or even a sexual encounter.

Bad:
They were considered to be mean and harmful. They liked to play tricks on humans, luring them into the woods, throwing people into water, releasing their cattle etc
They were also blamed for bringing diseases, epidemics, fires or even creating storms and deluges. In their vengeful ways they were also family oriented - they haunted members of their families who caused them harm driving them insane and causing all sorts of misery.

A lot of valid points.


MasterMel2: still believe you may be what you want although caution should be considered, when telling certain people. There could be trouble


Faith and religion is highly personal. For eons man had made any number of religion to describe what happens in the world. Then other take little bits and pieces of that to use for their own needs.

You need to find that path that best suits your needs. That is all that religion is in the end. Though you should keep the fact that your a vamp to yourself and those you trust the most. This coarse of action is more about protecting yourself. I would hate to see lynch mobs coming down the street for the Vampire.

*looks up and snorts*. I think that would be hilarious. Crazed Christians in jeans and mini vans hunting vampyres. Oh, what a picture. Just think, the we could call the police and have the "crazies" locked up. Haha

To Dabbler:
No. My Mother is not trying to conform to peer pressure. Neither does she, nor has she ever, cared about belonging with the "in crowd". She was born Strigoi. She, like myself and her partner, does not see Vampirism as a belief, or spiritual pursuit. It is what we are, by nature. Vampirism is to Humanity, as African Americans are to the British. We do, however, see Christianity as a religion and spiritual pursuit. If African Americans and the British can be Christians, then so can we. But make no mistake. My Mother is, and always has been, Strigoi. She awakened about twenty years ago, and is very strong, and very fast, and very powerful. She is also devoutly Christian. She is very intelligent, and accepting, but she does not conform.


Vampirism is a species, and Christianity is a belief. In my opinion, the two don't clash. You may, and probably will, clash with most other practitioners who know about you, but the two themselves don't clash in my opinion.

I did actually say that Vampire is used in an ambiguous way.
By that I left it open for someone (like you) to clarify, and elaborate on the adaptation vampire.

Seidr: Great to read your post, which, largely, was generally based on the actual Slavic accounts and failing to manifest anything supernatural or even super-Human. Basically, by the 18th Century vampires were effectively demonized to the point of being considered what we might call "boogie-men" here in the West and blamed for anything bad that might happen. And Western journalists and fiction writers took it from there, focusing on the most sensational of those myriad "boogie-man" traits of drinking blood and pretty much running with that, alone.

The reality is, however, that there was one far-greater Slavic vampire reality that was far more sensational still...but ...due to Puritan attitudes regarding sexuality... could never have been written about. And this is so unfortunate because it would have otherwise revealed to the world the true nature of the actual Slavic Vampir and why he was so hatred and demonized by Christianity in the first place.

Well, Dabbler, with all respect, I see a lot of assumptions being made in your post, most of them largely incorrect, as they pertain to me, at least. I will attempt to address them here one at a time.

"First off, the whole definition of what being a Vampire is ambiguous at best (with the exception of Upirs references)."

This much is true. Vampirism itself can be ambiguous in its definitions. The particular 'brand' of Vampirism that I have found to be most fitting as it applies to me is 'Strigoi viu', a living vampire which takes the vitality of others into themselves. Many call this type of Vampirism 'psychic vampirism' but I don't feel that this term is accurate, as it applies to me, because I am not overtly or especially psychic.

"As to the question, I suspect a Social Identity issue, a person who is apt to spread themselves out between as many social fields as possible. This is done to fulfill a longing to belong."

I certainly do not have a social identity issue. I am quite clear and sure on who and what I am and I neither desire nor require the approval or acceptance of others to make me comfortable with who I am. I am myself regardless of the opinions of others, which opinions do not affect me in the least.

"So once a person feels they met their obligation to religion, they can adopt a secondary identity, one that amuses them, and provides them another (more alluring) social network, or clique."

I assure you that my identity was in place and well intact before and long after my acceptance of Christianity as a part of my life; and that is what Christianity is to me: a *part* of my life, not the sum total of it. The assumption that you seem to be making here is that a person is obligated to accept a religious identity in the first place, which many atheists and agnostics, to name a couple, would balk at. The next assumption that you seem to be making here is that a person has to adopt identities at all. That seems very unhealthy to me. Perhaps you are limiting these assumptions to the person that you assume has an identity issue in the first place. Since I assume that you are making these assumptions about me, I will assure you again that I have no such 'identity issues', and therefore, have no need to adopt any identities, be they secondary or beyond.

"In actuality such arrangements fail... first (as stated already) Christians (and most other religions) expect devotion. So a person would only be paying lip service to the religious role, while partaking of the alter identity group."

This is a particularly grandiose assumption. You really have no way of judging my devotion to my religious beliefs, as you do not know me at all. In actuality, I take my religion very seriously and pay far more than 'lip service' to it. It is a discipline, in terms of my way of life, and faith in every sense of the word to me which applies to every aspect of my life. I began this thread to hopefully inspire some intelligent exchange of conversation and schools of thought, not at all because I am in any sort of conflict myself. As far as "partaking of (an) alter identity group", it sounds here as though you are implying that I have some sort of Disassociative Identity Disorder. It is beyond me how such an assumption can be soundly made about someone you have never met, never conversed with, and know nothing about, beyond the fact that a post was made to a forum, for the sole purpose of intellectual stimulation. An alter identity group? Really? I can only shake my head and laugh.

"Eventually even those in the vampire community would tire of the projections of someone who demonstrates a christian leaning."

And now we come to it. This is apparently your opinion on the entire focus of this thread. You are certainly entitled to your own opinions, though I do think it is presumptuous to assume that you can speak for the entire Vampire Community in assuming that because I am a Christian, and only because of that, that the entire Community would "tire of (my) projections".

If you would like to *ask* me what my beliefs are in terms of religion and Vampirism, I would be happy to tell you what they are so that you no longer feel the need to make such sweeping and over-reaching assumptions which are (a) inaccurate (b) baseless and if I were less disciplined (c) potentially very insulting.

You're so vain if you actually believe I was referring directly to you.

its an emotive subject and people have very much their own opnions about it.but the ten commandments say nothing about a consentuall relationship with a vampire and her swan.neither dose the penny catacism

"Some of the earliest evidence of Ritual Vampirism comes from Tartaria in Transylvania and stems to the fifth millennium BC. Remains of a human body were found buried in a fire pit along with clay tablets upon which were inscribed the names of the ’Sumerian’ god Enki and the ranking number of Father Anu. The language was subsequently termed ’proto-Sumerian’ and represented some of the earliest written artifacts yet to be found."

From the following link:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/dragons/esp_sociopol_dragoncourt02_01.htm

you see i dont judge so there for who am i to say what is wrong or right for others but if i were to say for myself that being a vampire is ok that would not be what i believe to be true but a lie. for christians believe in a soul were very little next to none vampires i have talked with believe in souls or the after life. most believe in reincarnation. i can not for i believe we live one life and once we leave this world we do not die but go on to live like we were born to be a living pure soul but if you dont know who or what or to whom you belong to then you cant go on i dont know the end hell or just death . all i can speek of is myself and i know i will not die but live forever in a pure form that in the image of God. so there for i dont think it right that God or i are vampire. For i believe i am a child of God and not of this world . for i do believe this world is the true home of the vampire and becasue am not of this world nor is it for me but fights me all the time . then i cant be vampire even if i wanted to be , witch i do not but unlike most i dont think that my believes applie to all they are mine and i will stick by them but they are for me and some times this means that others will believe because i live it and not just say it . If you ask me how i know i am going to live forever and not on my own but with others who believe as i do . Vampires believe so strong it what they do becasue its the way they live . just as i live it not just say it. not just once a day a week but every day of the week .

I think we'd need remember this. There are people here, and in the world who are vampire and christian, living their lives, and pestering no-one. I suggest we leave them to it, relax, and remember that there are otherwise people out there who'd have no troubles, pestering you about your lieftstyle.

what became of baroness greycastle???

I think in my view point, it is possible to be both. But, you will have a conflict within yourself. The two are opposites and the sides would fight each other. Eventually, one would win over the other. The Christians per say, believe that a vampyre was made through Cain by a curse by murdering Ablel. According to the bible, after he was cursed, he was exiled. So, a vampyre, if known, would not be accepted. And, eventually, the conflict within the vampyre would drive him/her away and in another direction.

very well put , the only thing is a true christian knows this to be true that we still fight our selfs when it comes to sin we want not to give in to things that we do not want but we still do , it our human side but that witch lives within us will always fight till the very end to choose what we believe to be truth no it all makes up what is stronger light or darkness . but as for myself i know that the darkness can not put the light out but that the light can stop the darkness just by being there in the darkness. The way the truth and the light are all one in the same . and the best answer of all is love. to love others as you love your own self . if you can do this as a vampire then you will prove a good thing but it would be so hard to do for you do it all on your own were as if you choose the light you have God on your side. Cain killed his brother . it was the killing that was wrong . not all vampiers kill infact most do not most are just as the devil . he does not kill but lets others kill them self by feeding them lies . he does not make you do things like people want to believe . He only puts something on the table and makes you take a bite. just like he did in the very begining take a bite it will not kill you . but once you do take that first bite you will know what it means and know that there is only one end to it . for blood is not a thing to mess with the taking of blood is a thing that is seen in most all things as a pure taking not giving like most would want you to believe. when you drink of the blood do you give it back can you give the same blood back no . you have taken something that was not yours and now you have to give somthing back or things become unstable . it just the way it is. it was ment to pureify to take away from what was done like the killing of the frist born was ment to take something back that was taken . but that was put to an end and the end of that took one more life and in taking that life only gave back life for there was no sin there to be forgiven . but with His life that He gave . He brought us into life . HIs blood was given so that no more could or should be needed only His blood was needed to live on forever not in this body but in a body that will be given after this life . and take us into the forever.

The Jews had blood prohibitions and it pertained to food preparation. Many countries that are mostly Christian do not exactly follow that such as those that make blood sausage and other dishes containing animal blood. I don't believe the Bible addresses blood from humans. The Christians absorbed some of the Jewish writings in their book.

I have read articles that go into detail with theories that Jesus was a vampire...very interesting.

The problem I see on words like vampire is the fact that it is just words and a word can mean different things even in the same region. One cannot mix the historical superstitions into what some believe in modern times. There were other words as well for the same thing or something similar. The hallmark characteristics to identify a werewolf was cannibalism and blood drinking. Many stories like Dracula have combined the two legends.

Even words within the community are not addressed the same way in meaning. Most of the myths in Eastern Europe were introduced by various family groups of what were originally called Gypsies. Originally they thought they were Egyptian but the languages have been traced to India and they actually go by different names depending on the country. Much of their beliefs have been absorbed into these areas.

If you are talking about those who now identify as vampires then most (not all though) do not believe it is a spiritual condition. They are human but something else as well that defined the vampire term. Only a minority of those who identify with that term are blood drinkers. I don't like the term Psi (psychic vampire) either but then I look at them as feeding styles and personally for me a vampire is a vampire regardless of what way they feed aside from physical food.

Various types of faith has nothing to do with vampirism. There are so many who believe in all types of things. Many follow Wicca, some form of Paganism, Satanism, Voodoo faiths, and a great number Judeo/Christian beliefs.
The woman that ran Bloodlines International for a long time was a Christian vampire. I don't know if she is associated any longer to that group. You also have those that believe in vampire gods. So Christianity is not out of the picture because many follow that faith regardless of their vampirism. I do not believe in the idea that someone practices vampirism, that is what one is whether one considers it merely a lifestyle or a state of being. The last one fits more with my beliefs. I don't use old writings to verify whether vampires exist and especially the one that was mentioned because there are too many views on what it actually meant. So in regard to faith which is what this is about, I would suspect technically the churches would consider it anathema but most would never say they were vampires in the first place in a Christian place of worship for fear of condemnation. In my opinion, if you believe in Christianity and you are a vampiric then it would be between you and "God" and no one else.

I agree. Whether good or bad what you feed, whether it is the dark or the light, becomes stronger. It is a choice everyone makes within themselves. And this choice is not limited to vampires. Vampires have a forced lifeforbidden, how they choose to used their abilities is their choice. But, also with it comes a need to feed as well. But, what matters is where you end up, not how you got there. Feed the love and you will have more love. Feed the hate and you will have more hate. I know someone who is both a vampire and a Christian and it works for them.

1) Does being a Christian mean that you cannot be a Vampire? I don't really think being "Christian" has anything to do with being a vampire. Or you are simply banned from it. I wouldn't say about any religion that thought that you couldn't be a vampire because of their religion. Christian or not, it doesn't matter.



2) Does being a Vampire mean that you cannot be a Christian? Being a vampire doesn't mean anything. Religion like Christianity or any other doesn't mean anything. You won't actually know if you are a vampire or not. But I think if you really felt like you were, you wouldn't let "Christian" or "Christianity" involved with it. You wouldn't think of it. But that's my opinion. To me it doesn't matter what your beliefs are if you can or not be this because of being a vampire.

The way people fine tune religions and beliefs to fit themselves nowadays, I'd have to say that Christianity (or any other religion) and Vampirism could work well together.
This is a great thread, by the way, with many intelligent responses - many of which I agree with, so I won't be repetitive...lol.

i think that it depends on the belief of the person if you need it then ur god cant condemn you

well some have been confused were i stand because i am so open mided but as for it being a personal thing it very much is but at the same time if you do believe in the bible then you also believe in one church , and its not a building they are talking about but the whole people both jew and chirstian . we are both one and same in my God eye . all are same we only judge ourself when we let things of this world tell us how we should act because its God who speeks for us when you are His follower and not the other way around like most christians believe. and its not about wrong or right or what you do or what you think you are for God knows every thing about you. He made you just the way you are He knows if you are His or if you are acting a roll like so many do. For some take it to far and say that they speek on behalf of God and thos are the false teachers and leaders that paul was clear to say stay away from but it does say things clear about the hear after and that is Gods and not ours we have no part in it but what He gives us right to what parts He feels we can handle . For by this i mean if we were to go and tell the past or even the future to others then what right do we have to do this. only that witch He gives . No were does it talk of powers that be but i do be live that he is the only power we have to fear for evil has no place in HIm and should have none in us. By this i am talking about the 10 command . He did not say they were no good but paul tells us that we all have broken them. so none are able to see God. But then paul gives us the good news that its though the fact that God took on human form and suffered everything we did and more for He was a sinnless man and the only one who was but yet he died for thos sins that He did not even do. Now some were in the good book it also says there are men but very few who made their fath but fath alone . But that is such a hard road and most die for takeing it . so it only goes to show that God himself paid the price of sin so we dont have to but yet so many jews and others believe that their sin is so great that nothing can be forgiven so they go back to the old ways of believeing in a God that does not forgive and if you dont have that blood that is shed for you then the high preist must pay the price with the first born of the season . well not only was God HIs only first born son He was his only son for he only took on human from once For he like the ones who had fath whet form this earth whole and alive.

if you are sanguine then there is an issue...as the drinking of blood is specifically forbidden in the bible.
the flip side of that is that homosexuality is expressly forbidden in the old and new testaments, yet there are gay christians. each persons faith is what they themselves decide it is going to be. but let me ask you....if you are a vampire born, and if you discovered you were forbidden from being a christian, would that make you seek another faith?
one must be what one feels one is....if you are a christian and a vampire, so be it.
~W~

The first vampire in history to so declare himself openly (1047 CE)...was not only a Christian, but also a fully ordained Priest. However, there is every indication he was not a blood drinker or that vampires were considered blood drinkers when the term "vampir" was originally coined. Had this been the definition, he would hardly have so openly declared himself as such an admission would have had him immediately thrown out of both the priesthood and the Church.

Thus, it is self evident that the definition of the term "vampire" has changed drastically...especially since the 1700s... from something not at all contrary to Christianity to something quite diametrically counter to Christian beliefs.

This historical fact cannot but call into question what the actual Slavic Vampire really was...and perhaps still is.

It doesn't make sense to me that one would be a vampyre in the first place and be damned for being one before the other. -shrugs-

we are what we are....
but i have to admit, i have never really understood judeism, christianity, islam.
but of course your mileage may vary.
~W~

wow we use christian so lightly on here would you call a jhova witness a christain i dont . nor do i call a cathlic a christian . but yet i say they are a religin and they do have some good or even great points of view but its like i say to a lot of my firends on here we live lies all the time. we lie to thos we love so we dont hurt there feelings . we lie about little things like no i did not just eat that cookie to ourself . but a lie is a lie so that is why i would never say that one christan is the same as any other . It sould be that way but sadly is not . for the good book tells us to all be as one . united in fath . one fath . one God. but sadly this we do not believe in . for if we did we would not believe that money makes the world go round or any form of it we dont put our trust in God we put our trust in the money itself . thats why some say when Jesus talked about blood and taking his body . he was talking we did do this . and here is how He died for all yet we not Him who has sinned but He paid the price . And unlike some who teach the bible we are to give our lives to him . well that is a half truth and a half truth is still a lie. We are to give him what is dew and that is that even tho still sinners for he does not stop the sin but takes it on Himself there for if you truly believe in Him then you are to take up what He tought on the cross and give up your sin for the life He gave . walk not as in the same old ways but in all things renew of your mind body and soul. Now in some tv shows about vampyrism witch i believe to be so far from what people do believe . Am not saying its true but some say that if you sire you take on that person yourself mind body and soul so its not just the drinking of the blood you are taking from that person you are taking both life and death on. For sin or this body both end in same death . and nothing of this body can live on into the here after . only the soul but that is just the thing its not just the sireing of one by the drinking and giving of blood but what the vampling believes as well . To take on the powers that are not anyones to give . lfie and death are powers that man has no control over they may think so becasue they can take life but can they give it . Life is given freely but death comes with a price . and that is death from now tile the end as we know it. and even more so far more then we can even see or know any thing of. the angel of death is not the devil as most would think . for death is a power given to and then taken from . and once taken can not be taken back unless it is paid for by death again. our fath is not enough it was the act that was done and our fath in that act . for this we can not take on . how can one say death has power over death it does not life has power over death . for death is when something is given up and cannot go on of its own . but life can go on and on with out death . but not as we know it.

littleflames: If you do not consider Catholicism to be Christian, which religion is just about the oldest surviving Christian religion on the planet and undoubtedly the largest, what is it you call Christian?

And could you please clarify for us what your points are? Thanks

As far as Christians go, I am relaxed. "The cool Christian" to the youth and "the bad Christian" to the elders, haha. I live with my significant other outside of marriage, I curse, I don't go to church. However, I don't feel guilty about these things.
My relationship with God is just that, a relationship. If I'm doing something wrong, I feel guilty- that's God's way of telling me "Hey, pay attention, this is wrong"
The Bible isn't a manual for Christianity, it's something meant to be read WITH God. Therefore, I don't think the answer for this question can be found in the Bible or an overall answer can be found at all. I think it depends on the person. It also depends on the definition of vampire that we're using, and the intent of the person that has that desire.

I believe that if someone's intent is pure, and it wouldn't cause suffering on anyone's behalf, that God wouldn't have a problem with the lifestyle.

I've always felt that Vampirism is a lifestyle. You have a choice to live that lifestyle. Most people also have a choice as to what religion they choose to practice. With the different christian denominations, there are different beliefs. I don't see why a person who lives a vampiric lifestyle couldn't find a denomination that wouldn't condemn their belief system, and let them practice without judgement.

I am sure like most things, it would take time to research and visit places to see if that would happen.

In Judaism, it is a sin to drink the blood of any living thing. In Christianity, which adopts these same laws from the old testament it is also a sin. To drink the life of man is an abomination and to cast aside God. That is pretty plain and simple from both Beliefs. I also believe Islam adopts the same belief. Answer is pretty simple to me.

lets start off with the definition of vampire syndrome .



A term that has been applied to a broad array of conditions and situations that the original authors of various reports linked to some aspect of mythical blood-sucking human vampires, or the fictional Count Dracula
Lab medicine Anaemia of investigation, iatrogenic anaemia, nosocomial anaemia, vampirism A fanciful and completely unnecessary synonym for hypochromic anaemia resulting from multiple phlebotomies, which is especially common in ITU/ICU patients
Anaemia of investigation can be reduced in frequency and severity by using paediatric—2.5–3.0 mL—instead of adult sized—4.5–10 mL—blood collection tubes
Medspeak A term coined in 1995 referring to the decrease of serum proteins—hypoalbuminemia and lipids-hypocholesterolemia—which was linked to sufferers’ frequent sale of plasma
Medical history Porphyria has been proposed as an explanation for the vampire legend, based on certain real or perceived similarities between the two. The similarities between porphyria and vampire syndrome include (1) photosensitivity/sensitivity to the sunlight, resulting in skin pallor in both; (2) congenital erythropoietic porphyria is characterised by very high levels of red-brown or burgundy-red porphyrin pigments with an affinity for calcium phosphate, resulting in incorporation into the teeth during odontogenesis. Permanent teeth range from pink to rare cases of red-brown or purple; (3) madness, sober moods and depression; (4) its occurrence in royals—e.g., Mary Queen of Scots, her father, James V—and, farther east and more linked to the legend, its occurrence in Vlad III the Impaler, aka Prince of Wallachia, aka Dracula; the alleged occurrence of porphyria in George III is far from proven. Systemic lupus has some vampire features, but is not traditionally linked to the vampire myth
Psychiatry Clinical vampirism A deviant behaviour in which blood is ingested, variably accompanied by necrophilia, often in a background of schizophrenia, psychosis, sadomasochism, cultism—e.g., voodoo rituals, cannibalism, fetishism or drug intoxication. See Necrophilia
Psychology Psychic vampire A morose person who, Dracula-like, sucks the life out of others because of his/her negative attitudes. They are gloomy, self-centred and can’t be helped
Sexual health A term of art referring to what some regard as a myth of male child sexual assault, i.e, that boys who are sexually abused, like the victims of Count Dracula, will go on to bite—i.e., sexually abuse—others


being a Christian is to be born again wich in terms is to ask forgiveness for your sins admit your a sinner and accept the lord as your personal savor and live by his commandments.

now to finish up

if you read the book of Danial were it tells you the story of king neberkenezer who worshiped false idles and false gods

vampyrism is worship of a occult beleaf based on fictional creature
based of vladimere vladimir tepes wich formly noun as vlad the impaler he got this nickname how he like to impale his victumes drink their blood with bread then latter on he was called drake in full drake would be dracula that words means dragon the devil source of evil wich they consider it bram stocker latter on wrote a book about him created the fictional creature vampires.

can you be a vampire no you cant be a vampire to begin with because they dont excist

yes you can be a christian

with all that have a awesome day