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ShaolinWicca
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Who here is interested with the Nephilim, a race a powerful beings born of Angels and mortals? It is said that they had the power of Angels and the free-will of mortals. It is assumed that they were the beings who mortals worshopped as gods such as Zeus, Ra, Odin and such. I'm not sure if I believe this but I for one am very interested in the concept.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim




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well from what I have learned after my researches the Nephilim did came from the angels and the human femal, but beside the fact that they had great streinght were kind of giant as they were extremly tall compare to the rest of the people, and had the free will from both human and angels, but due to the unatural way of the their making it made them unatural and perverted, violent and agressive, spreading violence everywhere and death.



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thats kind of confusing. im def interested in learning more, my only question would be ... how is it possible? angels can not reproduce.



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The Nephilim are a myth The Idea comes from the bible It is said and i did read it and I will frase it my way.That the fallen ones deceded from heaven found lust in the daughters of man.Pro created they yada yada they tought man the secrets of magic and so on and so forth.God was not happy with and the angels came down from heave and slaughterd these giant men who were 50 feet tall.Ok back to real Life here good movies to watch are the new series Fallen wich was on last year and starts a new seson tonight on the abc family chanel for those who have cable and are intrested in the story of a Nephilim who is a redeamer for the fallen and also the Prophecy movies.In my opinion No the Nephilim from the bible do not exist but it is possable that super natural beings have procreated with people.The myth and legends had to start from some truth.



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the nephilim from the bible did exist, but they were about 8 to 9 feet tall, in a population fo an average of 5 feet tall, making them giant, they got destoy because they spread violence and killing, for the other beleif or info out of the bible, I cannot speak, but I do wish that since I respect those who know, that they shall respect the one I know very well, that is in the bible. (studied it for 17 years) anyhow. As for the reproduction part , yes by taking a human form they could reproduce, and yes it was out fo desire sexual for woman that they left heaven to go heart and have sexual relation with human femal.



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Ahh,the Nephilim.Indeed. Yes,I believe they were here at one time.I do not believe that they were 50 feet tall however although in the story of David and Goliath,I understand he was a pretty big dude..But even so,its quite probable that yes,many legends and myths as well as all these so called hybrids.. ie: Vampires,Wherewolves and the like derived from their visit here,and from what I have learned over the years,much of their story is supported logically and scientifically.Now whether it is all spiritual,I dont think so,as I really believe that all magick,supernatural beings and dimensions are all science anyway.
LOL .And God said"E=MC2 " then their was light.



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Well thats cool that you studied the bible for so long I do not belave the bible nor of god so to me this is a myth but a good story none the less.I strongly belave that there are still supernatual beings procreating with man to this day.But this is not a religious discussion so i will not get in to it any more.



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And God said"E=MC2 " then their was light.


Good one .......LMAO



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Crymsonraven..dont be so quick to count this a purely biblical or religious topic ok?
The bible is merely a historicle record of things based on the perceptions of man at the time.Whether one believes in God or not doesnt matter..it is only a name ..What he really is remains to be seen and there are many options open as to where he came from and what he does.
Take Jehovah for instance..to Christians,he is Christ.But if you did much deeper,there are some things about him that I think you might find pretty amazing.According to that,he is not Christ at all,but in fact an older Elohim.



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Jeeze,excuse the typos.
hehe CR..you like that huh?Honestly,I coined that a long time ago,and I stand by it bigtime .



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ty for that info i come from 3 religiouse back grounds so I stay out of it all.But to many people make things religiouse one min.Then the next Say they do not believe in god so I just did not want to turn the Nephilim Story In to a debate It is a wonderful story and the conceipt that man could create with angels is amazing things that happend in those days were very neat we as a society lost the ability to talk to gods.And that would of been something Amazing to do Is to talk to gods.



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I never said about religious talk, I mearly say that if you want to use a book, or info from a source make sure you take the info, not bits and pieces to mix and match your statement, that you beleive or not its fine.
As for the other source I knwo there is info from egypt that some being mated with human femal and created beings similar to nephilim, to many characteristics so it could be that each country do have their own Nephilim, I mean it was said that out of mortal and "deitiy" from egypt there was born some being, powerfull, strong tall, and that made the God and Goddess of egypt unhappy and pissed off causing their exil or punishment.



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Nice concept, but I highly doubt they exist. Like most things in the bible, they are just a really good imaginary conception.



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Yes,I believe they were here at one time.



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Good stories none the less and sure the bible is a great source for stories not much on info though that is up for the person who reads the books to do the search.
Egypt has wonderful stories written on walls and in every culture there are 1/2 man 1/2 angels And with so many stories one begins to think it could be true? I can not waited till science finds a 9 foot skeleton with strange bone structure



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They were believed to be fallen angels is all I had remebered on them and that they were big....here is link I found on them that explained alot.

www.pantheon.org/articles/n/nephilim.html



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Yw. I understand completely..and I dont blame you. .But think of it this way maybe...What is God REALLY? What are the Angels REALLY? And what is the TRUE deff. of supernatural....Personally, because of what I know of genetics,physics and history etc...I am led more and more, as the years have gone by that these Gods and Angels..as well as Demons are but products of a sortof Cosmo science genetic if you will..stuff that we cant even hope to discover or understand as humans..at least not at this time.
You know,man has more genetic variations that almost any other creature on the planet.Now,normally,that kindof thing just doesnt happen in nature,as far as natural evoloution..something ,somewhere needed to help that along.JMHO.So yes,this conversation can easily be taken and kept out of the religious context to a pretty good degree..



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And yes,what the bible does for me,is substanciate that fact that the Nephilim could be real.Look at Genisis..David and Goliath,Noahs ark...all kinds of stuff in there.
Yet,on the other hand,look at geometrics,math and physics..Chemistry,and microbilogy..there are many correlations that support one another in the bible and in science.
And another thing..if people of that era saw what we do and have now...they would have surely thought us as Gods.



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CM,I do understand your perception too.And as you know,there are many accounts in the bible that can support the exsistence of these creatures..although they might not end up being purely supernatural.and by deff. alone,look at the word supernatural...you get my drift?



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I will tell everyone right now too.This is not a religious debate for me.I can present many things that can lend support to the exsistence of the Nephilim.I m not on either side.. religious or whatever and what I say is based of facts and other stuff that I have found.I have respect for both sides of the coin.



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Those interested in this- may also be interested in the ABC show 'Fallen'. They are playing 3 back to back episodes on ABC Family right now :)



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Fallen? I have not seen this.Thank you for that info.



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21:33:27 Aug 05 2007
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Well, like all myths they are usually open to interpretation. Things change over hundreds of years let along thousands.



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One more thing before I get off my soapbox here...Take a look at the Sumerian codex.. have a peek at Microbiology/hemotology...then physics . in that order...this story goes much farther back than the bible.



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Yes they do Unigon. However,when one starts to find hard scientific evidence to back up certain aspects,it certainly helps eliminate the bullshit, and starts to paint another ,more solid picture altogether.



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i cant really say i recall hearing anything of this sort of thing but i would love to hear more about it



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I never saw the term of the nephilim being related to supernatural, for me being supernatural implies "powers" or abilites that a "normal" human" could not aquiere or have naturally, I think... then again it could indeed be consider supernatural, but I think it also would impy paranormal or spirits, demon or other related conexion so , maybe we could consider them half supernatural, I think, but then again this is open to debate as if it is supernatural or not. Sorry I think I confuse myself



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No,BloodLust, they cannot..But on the other hand,look at how we manipulate genes and repoduction today.Sterile women are empregnated all the time now.Who is to say that,if we ever become that advanced technology wise,that we couldnt be doing the very same thing to other hominids or primates on a different planet that is naturally inhabitable or has even been Terraformed. I can with confidence say that if we ever go to another planet where the inhabitants are in a developmental stage as we supposedly were when these Nephilim came,they would alomst sure as heck think we are gods. Just food for thought.



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'Nephilim- being half man half angel... the soul of man and the powers of an angel.' As just explained on 'Fallen' :P

It's a great study. Do some research and I am sure you will find a new passion.



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It truely is a great study, Stories I tell.But I dont think Im going to take away much that comes from a teli series. :) Although Im sure it is fun to watch.



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I wrote this article a couple years ago for a class I was taking at the time. I did extensive research and not only given a excellent grade, but was also asked to submit it to the campus online library.

Check it out...

Nephilim



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My dear sister,you wrote an excellent paper. :) And I have said this before,if anyone wants to really get into this,feel free to message me.I would be happy to share some of what I have to help you with your research.



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Of course the show is absolute fiction... I am just saying- watch the show and get interested in the idea... from there I am sure it will spark the desire to learn more.



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"When the sons of god, would come into the daughters of man, and have childeren by them. They were heros of old, and Men of Great renoun." From Hebrew Text.



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Stories I Tell I posted to watch the same
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Ok back to real Life here good movies to watch are the new series Fallen wich was on last year and starts a new seson tonight on the abc family chanel for those who have cable and are intrested in the story of a Nephilim who is a redeamer for the fallen and also the Prophecy movies

ok also would like to thank Oceanne
for shareing her knowledge also want to point out most of the studies I do and i am shure she she has done is off line.GO to an occult store look for books on the Nephilim I found some books with many stories and diffrent pictures.Some refrence them as childern of the fallen and makeing them out to be evil as earlyer stated.Some have made them out to be mans judgment since they have the heart of an angel and soul of a man.But i am not sure we or any one really knows exactly what we are up against when it comes to dealing with such supernatual beings.



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I see what you mean StoriesITell..you're right.



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You're welcome and I agree with you too CrymsonRaven.
Yes,much of my study has been offline like yourself.



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Why can't they exist? How could you prove if they did or not? People believe half-breeds on earth to keep the balance?
Many things exist that no one can explain, so why not half-angels and half daemons too? I don't know , but it makes you wonder and think about things doesn't it??



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but can we define them as supernatural beings? Lets say we say they are not fiction but had or are exisiting. Supernatural imply alot more then size and streinght,..I think..so are they or not supernatural? I wonder



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But lets say they do exist would they not be both physical and supernatural? They would have the abilities to do things beyond the scope of reality would they not?
Where no one could see what they were doing.



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Hey,that show is actually on right now..and it isnt as cheezy as I thought it might be.Good call SIT. If anyone wants to tune in...



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contrary to popular belief Nephilim were not giants. the bible only says that they were giants among men. it doesn't mean that they were big, it only means that they were extraordinary.

when they became willful God destroyed the know world (that means the middle east, not the entire world). God killed off most of the nephilim and made all of the remaining but 10% come to heaven. God left the 10% on earth to tempt man to sin.

the theory that nephilim were the gods of old i.e. Odin, Zeus, and Amon etc. is only a theory that i came up with years ago, but it is one that i believe is possible.



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Allah , Jehovah , God . Whatever you may call him . Destroyed the Nephilim in the great flood .



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Or so it is said.Here is something rather interesting for those of you who are just begininng to have a look into this...
http://xfacts.com/sumerian_culture.html
If you need more,let me know.



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Another ..
http://www.crystalinks.com/sumergods.html



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That...is very interesting.



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here is some more. now these are just things I am throwing out here for you.I have my own beliefs as you will yours,but will not go into mine right now.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/anunnaki/anu_16.htm



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more...
http://sexagesimalsystems.org/ISIS.htm



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http://www.angelfire.com/home/thefaery/hafgan.html



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I do not believe they were the gods people worshiped, i think they were just giants, and they may have had powers...



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How do you think they might have aquired their powers ? I would like to hear any ideas you might have.



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Oceanne that's a good question... I would be interested to know that as well. I've never heard of Nephilims before



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I had to go back and watch Prophecy again because of this thread...

The Bible is not the only mythological source on record for stories of this type of being. And lately I find these things linked with heretofore unlikely words like Atlantis and Vampires. (note how many angels get "staked" in those movies...coincidence?) Overall the legend is of another race of beings interbred with the humans of the day and their offspring were not only tall but had exceptional abilities that were equated to magic. There was a post in the forum not long ago with a link to a piece on Atlantis, and the word "nephilim" flew in that lecture more that 20 times. Might be worth finding and listening to/watching in regards to this topic. And there are certain modern vampyric sects that do seem to be tracing their "lineage" back to another race of beings from ancient times.

Something to think about...



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to me they were tall, mean crule and assassin, violent creatures not meant to exist, creatures that should have never existed. But this is just my opinion



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Emeleth? Did you not see the vids above?



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hm interestingly enough, i just got done watching the history channel about that and a series called 'Fallen'. it was about a nephilim and the redeemer. Im not saying its all true but its a very interesting concept. But no, i m not really sure they exist.



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Fallen isn't about a Nephilim and a redeemer He is the redeemer.I had mentiond that earlyer in the post.



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Yes, and that is where the twist is..And it pretty much stuck to the biblical concept except for that little tidbit..
Eh,while they did an ok job with it,all it really tells ,is part of the basics.
Take it or leave it? I'll leave it.Thanx



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Hmmmmmmm not just a show on TV



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there is a TV show called "fallen" It has to deal with the fallen angels and there are nephilims is the show it is a great one you should watch it sometime ...........



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Hey CR,what do you think about that?
Nephilim=redeemer



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I have heard of it but don't personally believe in the concept.
You have listed Norse gods and Greek gods and I am assuming you are referring to the Egyptian god when u say"Ra"?
You lost me on your train of thought, did u mean mortals that worship all the gods?That is a massive group of ideals and religions.



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Ocean I love that show Fallen Found one corny thing on it though lol the angel swords of fire lol but the wings are cool touch and the graphics are good.I love the Prophecy Movies then again Their vursin of and i said that with slang Are wonderful I thought of angels like that before Christopher Walkens became one
I love Gabe hes a classic.



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Nefilim (Fallen Angels) were the First True Vampires of History

Shortly
following the First Millenium C.E. (A.D.), the
mortal descendents of the Fallen Angels (the
Rephaim) found their sexual gifts again the
source of rising persecution reminiscent of
the persecutions suffered by their "Watcher"
ancestors, anciently. This time however, they
found themselves regarded as supernatural not
as "angels" or "demons,"
but instead -- as Vampires:



"...in
the puritanical words of the Book of Enoch
these corrupted souls
(the
progeny of the "Fallen Angels")

are also destined to become the damned, who
will 'take no food, [but nevertheless hunger]
and thirst'... in East European folklore,
as well as in popular romance, there are likewise
supernatural denizens that drink blood yet
can 'take no food, [but can nevertheless hunger]
and thirst', and these are, of course, nosferatu
- vampires
."


"Romantic
writers, for instance, became transfixed by
the stories of the Sons of God coming unto
the Daughters of Men
, and began to feature
these devilish characters in their poetic
works. A little later, Victorian painters
started portraying this same subject matter
on canvas. One might even be tempted to suggest
that the Book of Enoch was a major inspiration
behind the darker excesses of the so-called
Gothic revival, which culminated in such literary
works as Bram Stoker's Dracula, in
which the eponymously named character is himself
a fallen angel
."


-
excerpted from "From
the Ashes of Angels", Collins, p. 21,
1996
  (emphasis
added)


 



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CR,LOL funny you would say that about the swords..I thought the same thing.
AS for the Nephilim=Vampires? I have thought that all along and am certainly going to check out that profile..right now actually.



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Nocturnis..you have heard of the Annunaki? I have reason to believe the Nephilim and the Annunaki are one in th same or at least somehow related.



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UpirLikhyj,thank you.Thats pretty much it.



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As re: the Nefilim-Anunnake connection: lest we forget, the myths of Genesis including the Garden of Eden, the Tree of Life, the Great Flood... and in between them all... the account of the Fallen Angels, all have these accounts have their origins in Sumerian legends. And why is this? Simple... Abraham was, himself, a Sumerian! He was born and raised in "Ur of the Chaldees", which was the capital Sumerian city of Uruk.

Thus, these "Fallen Angels" were indeed the Sumerian "Anunnake," no question about it. In fact, their original appellation, "bene ha elohim" (Sons of the God[s]) matches well the original meaning of their original Sumerian "Anunnake," which means "Sons of the Heavenly Prince."



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Bingo



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This was actually a very interesting thread and ended up reading all the posts here. I reallly believe it was a myth though.



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I also believe it to be a myth but I am very interested in it. I've studied the Nephilim since I first saw the movie, The Prophesy.



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Thats kool Gwendolyn and Unigon..And I am not going to argue that point because everyone is entitled to their opinion.But I would like to ask what it is about the theory that has made you decide it is a myth?And why,in your mind it would not be a possible event.Because for a mere myth,it certainly has one hell of a foothold throughout human history.



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i thought this articule to be intresting and might have some information u hadnt heard before

http://www.nwcreation.net/nephilim.html



The Nephilim were an antediluvian race (pre-flood) race which are referred to in the Bible as giants. They were reportedly the children born from the "daughters of men'', and the "Sons of God''. It is most important to note that they are mentioned almost simultaneous to God's statement that He would destroy the earth by flood, and it seems from this association that their affect upon mankind was one of the primary justifications that brought the destruction.

Genesis 6:1-7
1 When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal ; his days will be a hundred and twenty years." 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown. 5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. 6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. 7 So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them." NIV

The Sons of God

Nobody knows what the ''Sons of God'' were, but the most obvious interpretation is that the Nephilim were a hybrid race between two distinct but sexually compatible beings. Many believe the ''Sons of God'' were fallen angels who corrupted mankind. The ''Sons of God''' are clearly distinguished from the daughters of men. This suggests the ''Sons of God'' were either not born on earth or simply righteous men as opposed to earthly. We can only speculate, but as angels are not biological organisms, they are not likely to be reproductively compatible with humans.

Another logical interpretation for the ''Sons of God'' is they were other created men. It is largely assumed that Adam and Eve were the only humans created in the beginning, but the Bible does not describe every person on earth, nor even everyone that was important to God. Only key individuals or situations are included within the text, and we can not say with certainty that God only created one pair of humans.

The phrase "sons of God" used in Genesis 6 is “bene elohim”, which used apparently only three other times in Scripture and in each of the other cases it is found in the book of Job which is accepted as one of the most ancient books written. Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

And Also Afterward

In Genesis 6:4 it is said the Nephilim were on the Earth in those days - and also afterward. This seems to clearly imply that the Nephilim were also on the Earth after the flood of Noah. Although the Nephilim are only mentioned one other time in scripture after Genesis 6, during a false report brought back to Moses by the explorers of Canaan, this reference would suggest that the Israelites were familiar with the Nephilim.

Numbers 13:30-33
30 Then Caleb silenced the people before Moses and said, "We should go up and take possession of the land, for we can certainly do it." 31 But the men who had gone up with him said, "We can't attack those people; they are stronger than we are." 32 And they spread among the Israelites a bad report about the land they had explored. They said, "The land we explored devours those living in it. All the people we saw there are of great size. 33 We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them." NIV




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Thank you rubyragar.Yes, that is the basic story that we see time and time again,but there really is so much more to it than that.I would strongly suggest anyone interested in this subject to really have a look at UpirLikhyj's profile and website.I have to say it is extremely informative and is some of the best information out there as far as I am concerned.



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I watched the fallen.. thought it was very good.. anywyas back to subject.. I guess i depends on ur religious beliefs.. the Nephilim where mentioned in the bible ..
So if you beleive the bible speaks the truth then they must have been real .

heres the link to a site which shows the scriptures that mention the Nephilim

http://www.trmichels.com/ChristianGenesis.htm#_Toc141052911



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I believe they were here at one time or another.



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Only heard of them vaguely as 'Fallen Angels' but i'd need to do more research into it. It's pretty interesting and the feedback is great to this.. I suppose like one sec can't member who but thins can change over a period of time and stories can be mixed up especially after many hundreds of years about these Nephilim.

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Most of which u mentiond are Gods, and powerfull, Odin is the father of the God of thunder THore, Odin is the one who rules azcar, Azcar is the place where thore came from God of thunder is the one with the hammer, . The goddess are hectictie of lust , She is said to be older then all of the Gods and goddess put together, The Goddess of love is aferditie, not sure of spelling, . THe first wife of adam which was considered to be mother of all demons, .



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yeah man i guess dude i agree i think



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I believe they do still exist. I think that this is still something most need to read upon, and for the most part CM.. they were looked down upon as tyrant leaders.



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umm thats kinda confusing lol.



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u are the coolist i have been studying on them and the fallen for a yeear now what do u want to know i so believe in them they are just amzing
come and chat i will tell u anything u want to know



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Just stay with me on this one... the early christian sects believed that there were two gods... REX MUNDI (god of the earth) and the god of the heavens... the god of the earth created man as a slave race devoid of soul and doomed to die ("My spirit shall not live in man") and unable to reproduce... the god of the heavens (referred to by some of the sects as the god who is far away or which does not come near) took pity on this form of man and revealed to him the secrets of reproductive sex (the apple being symbolic of this revelation and woman was naturally at the forefront of this leap forward) so that he might live and reproduce... however, rex mundi was angry that his creation had been corrupted and sought to destroy the nephilim in the flood... the flood was only partially successful but rex mundi vowed never to flood the earth again... the nephilim were left to fend for themselves and are hunted by the sons of jared...



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That's an interesting twist on the Bible.



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This is a very interesting topic. I've only run across this a little bit, so the information here has been very helpful.



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Daswolf makes an inciteful point... the truth is that the Bible is a twist on the texts that is drew from... the apple story for example was twisted by the early church fathers into a justification for excluding women from priestly roles as they were the cause of man's downfall...



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Very well explained uzziel.
I am with nfa on this one. I believe that they still exists just like the existance of Arcadians are still around.


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Good point Uzziel....but also to add that women have a mense cycle every month and the old church looked upon this as a state of impurity, so if a woman was in the middle of a "Priestly" matter if she had her issue, the whole ceremony was nullified and had to be repeated at a timely cost....not good.



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Ok but wait this was about the Nephilim......Time and Space, Distance and degree, a thousand years as a day, Sure they are real and still exist, they are more or less eternal depending upn your understand of time and space, distance and degree. Everything has a beginning and an eventual end, if it didn't end to SOME degree it would throw off the balance of time, so a thousand years to us may be only equal to a year at another location is space and time, what may seem eternal to us is only because of our understanding of time and lack thereof of space/time. But other entities existing, inhabiting the Earth along with man, having had a hand in the fashioning of man....our concepts are, to say the least, guided and directed by men who would rather profit off of our misguided direction, than rather tell the truth as simple as it is, and as profound as it is.

www.1anunnaki.com pretty interesting stuff.



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I will have to research this for my self as this is all fascinating.



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All the king's horses and all the King's men.couldnt put Humpty together again..
Ever wonder where that came from?



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An intrerstin topic must learn more



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Imagine with me a story.

Not a true or false story, just a story.

In this story you are one among many. How many, well just pick a number a number, it can be any number that you are among . The number is not real or the issue. It to is imagined. That is how it truely is. Lets for the sake of the story pick the number 144,but we could add zeros infinitely to behind the fours, this is not the point of the exercise. In the beginning this number 144 makes a plan to know that which it is. The plan this time called for division, which means too see with two. When you are one two was interesting and seemed to be a way of knowing what you as ONE is. The process was to subtracts from itself half, leaving 72 to know itself or more accurately what the whole is. This was to be accomplished be the mirror of what it was not. I say half but this to you should understand too is not real. It could be one ten thousands of the whole it really is not the point in reality.

In reality you perceive that you are part of one of the two pieces, you are part of the 72.

And there is 72 in the other.

Both are the whole and the pieces are the whole. Nothing at this point as really changed.

One is One still no matter how many pieces it is made of. Remember we are only imaging this possibility together.

We are one. One is ONE. All are equal, in truth equal does not exist yet. Equal does not exist till we subtract consciously a piece that is consciously separated. The two pieces are still one because one is one and can not be not one. One is what One is. So the two pieces are still one but now equal can exist because the possibility of perceiving a part as less then the whole, which in truth it can not be. To know what equal is you subtract till you get one not equal to the other in perception. But this is not so in reality it is only in perception. Now you have a perception of what equal is not. All of what we perceive as knowing is by subtraction. this was the process that mind chose in this experiment. What is known, is known by what it is not and named by its characteristics. This process of understanding in the mind gives a clue to the reality of this story. Image with me a story.

Here Before I continue the story I feel a need to talk about Individuation.

Individuation is simply total Separation from Unity, the whole. Individuation is the opposite of Unity with the all and it is the opposite of One.

Individuation is I divided to

know one.

Separation from the whole into individuation is done in two ways. One path is Idealized Individuation is Self god realized Creator. You are all things and all things are in you. this path is A(one) mirror image of the whole and a path back to the whole in and through this perception.

The second path, is the unite or collective path, let's call it the Hive-Mind. Hive-Mind is devoted to one. That one could be a King, a Guru, a Sage, or a Draco Queen or One God.

Unity by Collectively agreement or Collective Unity by placing One at the top. This is the Hierarchical view, evolution falls into this view. These are the two paths to perceive Unity when divided from The Whole. These are the two perceptions of individuation from the path of perceiving that which it is not.

This may have lost you so I will return to the story. Imagine with me. One segment of the whole unite as a collective in unity. And one segment of the whole 7 unite in a collective under one at the top.

The first of these paths search what it is connected to the original Whole, it searches what it is through a connected, part of, perception of the whole, therefore an internal source within the whole.

The other group searches by external sources for that same answer from a divided or cut from source place. It search for what it is for the method of that which it is not.

Remember Both are the whole and as the whole can not be any thing but that whole because One is what it is. The first group that stays connect to the One and Remembers the plan and that was part of the plan, a type of fail safe for the plan, an insurance.

But far into the division of what it is not it becomes a challenge to remember that which it is. And you begin to identify with that which you are not. Back to the beginning. Let us imagine.

You are one of the 72. Your group makes the choice to perceive unity as a collective.

This group disappears from the other group of 72 leaving it to carry out the experiment.

But that group that was left or cut off remembered in the beginning that there was an other group that was part of it self. This group became known has Paa Tal. The Paa Tal became a distant memeory, a vague myth, as the Serrated group fell into that which it is not. The Paa Tal is the name given by the other 72 for the Other. An individual piece of that energy memory is known as Patah. Which from their original understanding was Pa

Ah, X is the place sign that fixes Paa and Ah or where Pa meet Ah. T is the fix symbol for the place which has always represented the Heart. TheChristian Cross is a hidden symbol for the body place that is the portal. "X" marks the spot. In the later Christian Churches the T had a P like piece at the top of the T, this was further symbolizing the center, the heart. Pa is a energy or vibration of the separate or male. Ah feminine or is the vibration of the heart conneted to the whole. Patah is the vibration or information energy of Whole, or Unity.

The 72 Known as Paa Tal is a collective that unites with/ through the heart of the suns and their systems or bodies and then spinning heart centers of galaxies,to the birthing of new stars. This group as a collective consciousness connected to the spin of unity, assembles to the highest unity as a collective that is possible. This you can think of as 11 dimentional awareness, and at this point in the story of the 72 known as the Paa Tal the collective realizes an error in the original plan, that to turn the universe, the story, inside out you need all the light of the original template. This meant that at the end of time all of the original light needed to unite in the process to create a new template or story.

The light of the original hologram is what you need to alter to create a new template for a new hologram. This meant that the Cut-off ones needed the return to the One. And that the time line for the Cut-off ones ends with energies that can not find their way back because the process of knowing self by division goes to the point of creating life with not soul. this is the process known as cloning. Dividing a piece and replicating it without the connection key in place. this time line ends without the return of the energies to One. this would create a reality that the part would never unite back as in the original plan. It also meant that the Paa Tal would not be able to end the experiment and begin a new story.

This would be the endless story and that was not the original intent in creating this unfoldment.

The 72 that chose to experience individuation through collective unity guided under one.

External self individuation, unity under one, this part divided and divide to know that it was not. The part that was cut off from the individuation as a collective in unity, lost through division the knowledge of connection. They the lost tribes separated and divided and lost the Key to the portal, the portal of the sharable, the portal to collective perception of unity not separated. The farther down the path to knowing that which it is by that which it is not, the farther away from the possibility of perceiving not being separate it became. Truth became that which it is not, not that which it is. And if in truth you are One then all else is that which you are not or all of it you are or both of those two.

These cut off from time, which is cut off from immortality, Are known in the histories of the ancient texts as the Seraphim, Sera or "Cut from", phi or the "spin to unity", um is "them" or Said clearly, Them that are cut from the spin of unity, Seraphim.

The other become in history the Ophanim. The Ophanim are them, O or whole collective that inhabit the spin of unity, phi. These are the angels or Lords of time. This other became the Lords of the key to the portal of time ,which is immortality. For The Ophanim to correct the fabric of this time line, the time line that leads to the golum. The soulless ones, the ones created from cloning and artificial methods that don't give the pressure squeeze, the information-energetic that contain the key embedded then activated. This leads to an energy that can not find, and does not have the tools to find , its way back to unity perception, collective unity, back to remembering the ONE.

To remedy the over-sight the ancient ones, the Paa Tal make the choice to return to this time line this sector of the Galaxy and place the key on the lock and aspect of them selves incarnated into the other game to act as a remembering of the old or other way.

Deep into the heart of forgetfulness the Time Lords came. Deep into the lineage of the Draco Queens and the heartless ones came the energy of Patah. This would be seen as the Winged ones the Aku which in very recent history was the lineage of Tuthnmoise the Pharaohs lineage of the Sun Gods that Amomptep the first Aknahten father bred with Joseph's daughter, Miriam, is the Draku, Anununaki, N'ibiru, Chaldean, Semite, Lineage.

This Cultural lineage that is Joseph, son of Jacob, that breeds with the high Aku the result is Aknahten.

In Egypt before Aknahtens grandfather there where 72 gods in upper Egypt and 72 gods in lower Egypt.

Aten was the name for the one God that was about all other Gods. Aknahten had 17 years to anchor his reality into the grid of consciousness and create a new priesthood based on one god the symbol for was the sun. The old priesthood of the 144 did not like the idea of loosing power but more important was that they the old priest were invested in the old system right or wrong does not apply. Akenten just for the record was Moses and left Egypt to save blood shed and make it easier to begin the new living house of the sun. IS-RA-EL. EL is the Symbol for God now but then it was the symbol of remembering the phase shift off the x onto the wave of unity spin, which is Phi. This is just a vibration of remembering the return path to the other.

The spark of life fell ensouled in to the other with the added ability to feel strong emotions with the ability to feel extremes from moment to moment. This gave choice.

The ability to chose what you felt changed the game for the other. This meant that you could chose not to be in the garden part of the tribe the collective, you could choose a different path.

The plan was if you could feel the longing, and had a quick large spread in the ability to feel. You would after some time of experimenting chose to look for the key to the portal.

Hidden in the pool was the key, hidden at the lock so that only when you realized that you needed to look at the place that was the lock would be the time that you found the key.

The key is the key to the portals of time. there waiting for discovery was the key to the spiral that connects the all to the one. To the spin of unity. Hidden in the power that was destruction was the power to liberate.

Hidden in the power

was the key to freedom.

The Time Guardians hide the key at the heart of everything and when the focus was brought to the Heart it would start the vehicle that allows for travel in time or dimensions. This act it was seen would cohere or order which is to heal time itself. For time itself when in unity spin is aware and it is only this time line aware that can complete the turning inside out and create a new template for a new creation for a new experience.

Self aware dimensions are choosing to return to collective unity. The fallen equal are playing out their part of the story. playing their character. There knew they could not reverse the process but they could keep the focus of emotions on the fear and they could attempt to kill any of the lineage of the winged Ones. All wars on the planet are about in the past and at the present about the extermination of the Quetzal's the Bird Tribes.

the energy of the external other at a local level is the energy that asks you to place you energy, attention, power outside of yourself. Asks or feeds the belief not to trust your self.

The priesthood is a prime example of this. the priesthood tell you that

if you wish to

speak with god you need them.

the energy is "I don't trust myself."

The ones that empower and say that go within to the heart of the spin are the messengers come down from the Time Lords, the Ophanim, the other that began as a memory called the Paa Tal.

The other of the other that is the ONE and can only be the ONE. We are at a point where the only ones that could push us to remember is ourselves. We are creating the burp that will sort the sharable. This is death from one perspective but from the other it is the Beginning.

The Serrated one learn other and see the Paa tal as other not part of the the same. The Serrated Ones learn Fear that which it is not and fear Other holding out because it was to learn that what it is though the method of that which it is not. the perception of the Serrated Ones are to hold out till love finds a way to bring them in. Can you Image.

note: Orion is the separated piece from the Alpha Draconous the lineage that is this sector. Lyra is the birthing place for the local drama of the solar system and the fight for local real estate which is the time galactic wave corridor. the portal which was not understood was self - aware. This fight for control and for spin in the form of gold continues but the Time Lords that have always been there unseen are now recognized as the ancient Paa Tal. And the Memory when it akcure can not be unlearned or unremembered. And the simple act of remembering the beginning sorts back to primal cause behond victimhood. Before the rape to the agreement to be the rapeie and the rapor or the Raptor or the Serpent.

To the cause that began the story and the illusion of separateness. To the desire to know Oneness.



Love is the substance that is the spin wave generates. Love is the field that unity is. The Energy emanating from ONE is the energy we feel as love.

This felt as emotion in the body at the heart is the key left for you to start your vehicle to return to unit back to One.

Adawi, which is Cherokee, messengers allowed the Nephilitic or

fallen branch of

the Seraphim to cross breed to get necessary DNA for ensoulment which is

to remember

ONE.

All Atlantis is of Seraphim lineage.

5 MU and WU are the two root groups.

All galactic life forms are form the Draco 72 other lineage. Note:7 The fallen race divided again and again in separated paths but are all considered to be under or the property of Alpha Drak Queens. this is their territory historically. Till the possibility of free will or free choice was introduced by the messengers of the Ophanim. These are the Angels and the messengers of them in the Essene Order were known has angels. The head or David was an angel.

They that dreamed consciously where named after the Joseph. They Joseph on High at the time of the Crucifixion of Jesus was his brother James.

The nunnery for the Essene brotherhood was the Miriam's named after the first in the lineage that was Aknahten mother , Joseph's Daughter. They where Levites.

That lineage is alive today and the Miriam of the tantric knowledge where Magdelan.

The Magi were Shiddis, they had women partners that were Mary's, and all that completed studies through that lineage where Mary's or Miriam. The center in Jerusalem was the Tower. At the tower the Mary's completed studies of Isis or Ishtar or from the most ancient Innana. Which was the lineage of the name Anna or simply Ann. Ann was Mary's mother and the mother superior was a Anna to all Mary's. James had a daughter that was a Anna and these women were for Royal weddings. Trained in the high art of tantra and holding the DNA of the lineage of the original Miriam. Note:9 The house to carry the blood line of Moses is well dispersed through-out the world and the great melting pot for this Gene pool dispersment has been and still is the United States of America, and this is one of the purposes for its creation.

The war for this key territory is on going. And the High Draco Queens now that the Paa Tal have returned to make things right but have lost compassion because they have lost heart and the pain of sorting the sharable from the unsharable. They lost through artificial means the means the tool of death. Which is a tool to rapidly sort from the whole of intentions that you hold the sharable. They lost the Key to the Portals of Time and the Spin of Unity. They are claiming their territory and are creating chaos and fear as the only way to maintain control on the hive mind. If you are doing any thing from the intention based in fear then you are feeding the Hive mind of the Fallen Ones, The Original Other.

The Leaders of the hive are always Queens because the power of the Spin of unity is total feminine in nature. Totally open, receptive, Allowing, this is the energy of compassion.


Food for thought.



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So who are they?

The more I look at the metrology handed-down to us from The
Anunnaki, the more I notice the geometric resonance involved in the NUMBERS
used for the 'distance' and the 'time' units.
The number 19 ....
the "S" position in the English alphabet ... is related to Phi,
via the SINE of the Hoagland Tetrahedral Latitude (from the equator)

as in .... 19 X SIN 19.47122601 = 6.333333333 ....
where Phi = [(Square Root of 5) + (7.333333333 - 6.333333333)] / 2.
And where 7.333333333 arc-degrees is the DNA "un-zip" angle.

Now .... what if we divide 7.333333333 by SIN 19.47122061 ?
(7.333333333 / 0.333333333) = 22.

There's the number "22" ... the number of original letters in the Hebrew
alphabet. And number 22 is the "V" position in the English alphabet.
And a so called master number in numerology.

Add 19 + 22 .... we get 41.

Now .... look at the "order" ... graphically .... of ... "DNA" ...
we have ... 4 .. 14 .. 1 .. Or ... graphically .... "4141".
DNA is composed of a double-helix. If one helix is .. "41" ...
then a double-helix is ... "4141".

"S" .... the 19th letter (English alphabet) .... the coil shape of the
helix ... and the SINE-wave shape if we rotate the "S" by 90 degrees.
SINE of what ?

SINE of the Tetrahedral Latitude .... SIN 19.47122061 .... 0.333333333.
Add the 19 to the 22 .... the 22 letters in the original Hebrew alphabet
or the 22nd letter of the English alphabet ... "V".
The letter "V" shows an "angle" ... a symbol for "an angle". This could
refer to the importance of GEOMETRY ITSELF in terms of
understanding DNA and related matters.
Adding the 19 and the 22 .. gives us "41". Let it represent one helix
of the double helix of DNA itself. The numbers and letters speak.

Science or divinity...or both?



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I guess my point to posting that,is to let you know,that in order to really research this subeject you really MUST go far beyond the bedtime stories...and do your homework in the relating subjects..namingly(once again) Geometry(sacred),quantums,math, genetics etc...
To start.



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And Kwill..your post on women and the church? kudos



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i bought a movie last year about something like that but it was more of a porn then informational not that i m complaning but it did descrid what your talking about to a point anyway



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Hmm too bad.Because this is not porn...its straight up science.
The story itself does however make for a good sex story.heheh What was the name of that movie again?



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