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how many people have heard that he is "the true Dracula"

how many of you accualy believe that and if so how did he becoame a vampire?

I know he was a very morbid man that learned how to stake people alive for up to 3 days

Her wasn't a vampire.

... Naturally ... I meant he wasn't ...

ya a short srake though are f-ed up

i dont think he was a vamp, but we dont really know for sure i concider him the father of vampires

Vlad " The Impaler " Tepest was not a vampire , he was just a morbid man who impaled his enemies .

i know he wasnt naturely but sum say he was the first

well you could always google him, there is a long story about his history, he was a very violent man, but is revered as a great leader as he liberated his country from the turks on more than one occasion i believe. he was tortured as and sodomized as a small child, and later as an adult he took things that he learned as a child and applied them to his military tactics. he was also one to first use germ warfare against the turks. there is way more than i can say in just one post.

thanks but i have and all i could find had nothing to do with the legends of him as the first vampire

because he is not a vampire. that is nothing more than a myth and a story, if you want you can read the book "The Historian" that might give you the story your looking for.

Vlad was not a vampire he simply toasted dinner with their blood in his chalice never did he actually drink from hit instead he would throw it in the fire to burn it away.In his own way to show respect in a form of death ritual.

Don't think he was a vamp, just drank the blood of his victims.

true but he was about as close as a human can get

Yeah... he was one sick puppy LOL

HE had tubercillous

Didn't know that. That would explain him always having blood dripping out of his mouth

It is thought that Stoker chose the name Dracula upon finding it in an obscure history book. Previously the Count had been called Count Wampyr. Many historians link the name to a real life Romanian prince who was well known for being strict and cruel. The prince was Vlad III Dracula. Depending upon translation or perspective Vlad is synonymous with Dragon or Devil- the "a" was added to the end of the family name (Dracul) to indicate 'son of.' He was also known as Vlad Tepes (pronounced Tepesh) - Vlad the Impaler - named for his penchant for executing his enemies by impaling them on large wooden stakes. It is also reputed that he favored mass executions, enjoyed a banquet that was set up amid the dying and enjoyed torturing his victims. Although notorious for his sadism, he was respected by his subjects as he waged fierce wars against the Turks, tolerated no crime and erected several monasteries. Despite his authoritarian power he was overthrown twice, ruling only for three brief periods. He died violently in 1476, aged 45, and his body was buried on the monastic island of Snagov. His head, however, is said to have been taken to Constantinople as proof to the sultan of his death. Contrary to popular belief his castle does not exist in Transylvania. Although born in that area (now northern Romania) in 1431, he ruled the area of Wallachia (now Southern Romania).

Despite his atrocities the real life Dracula was not a vampire. In fact he is remembered as something of a national hero in Romania and was honored by the communist regime with a postage stamp. However, Hungarian Countess Elisabeth Bathroy certainly enjoyed blood and the cruelty attached to its attainment. By her own writing she claims to have had 650 victims, mostly peasant servants. She reportedly would bite large pieces of their flesh, torture them further, and bathe in their blood. Dracula

This is from his Bio -

Once again, Vlad Dracula occupied the throne of Wallachia, but things would never be the same. Even if he was officially sanctioned by King Matthias and the Church, many of the Boyars had not forgotten his ruthless ways. Sultan Mehmed II was restless in his determination to regain power over Wallachia and return Basarab to the throne. The Boyars, knowing the possible pitfalls of living under Dracula's rule, were perhaps more open to the idea of Basarab's return than they should have been. Word that Sultan Mehmed was organizing his forces in Bucharest reached Prince Stefan's ears, and he asked Vlad Dracula to organize an army to defeat the Sultan's, but of the Boyars joined him, and he found himself in a precarious position he had never been in before, undermanned, and expected by the enemy.

Without the element of surprise on his side, Vlad knew the battle ahead would be difficult. Furthermore, additional troops promised to him by Prince Stefan failed to show, and Vlad was left with just a few thousand men to combat the Sultan's army, which had grown quite considerably large. Vlad Dracula, ever the fearless warrior, fought against overwhelming odds, refusing to accept defeat, but the reality of it all was that they were outnumbered, and would eventually meet their doom. There is much speculation as to what happened to Vlad the Impaler in his final battle. Some say he died at the hands of his own men, as he was mistaken for a Turk while disguised in one of their uniforms, while others say he was killed, and decapitated, his dead body only recognizable by the vestments and medallions he was wearing. Vlad

I have up a lot on him and it says that bram stoker took his name simply because he liekd it and made dracula.... I can't rememer what draculas name was orignally going to be but it would have been a lot more lame.

I think it's cool that they wanted to call him dracula being that he was like a dragon but he was a very man who got joy out of others long suffering mysery.

From what I have read he is nothing more than a morbid human being who bram stoker named his vampire after.

so far these notions have been irelevent because they all say the same thing but in diffrent words....& he was called lad the impaler as a human until he was father of the vampires then he became dracula if anybody otherwise please give good reason

It is unclear why Bram Stoker chose this Wallachian prince as the model for his fictional vampire. Stoker was a friend of a Hungarian professor (Arminius Vambery/Hermann Vamberger) from Budapest, and many have suggested that Vlad's name might have been mentioned by this friend. Regardless of how the name came to Stoker's attention, the cruel history of the Impaler would have readily lent itself to Stoker's purposes. The events of Vlad's life were played out in a region of the world that was still basically medieval even in Stoker's time. Wikipedia

http://www.royalty.nu/Europe/Balkan/Dracula.html

If you want to know how he got his name go there and read the fourth paragraph down.

The name 'Vlad the Impaler' came from his habit of impaling his victims.

As for how he 'became' a vampire, I think it's more like he had some attributes of a vampire, like many people here.

O, that was saying how he got to be called dracula. His real name was Vlad Thepes, then he became know as Vlad Dracula or Vald the impaler. The reason he became Dracula is not as well known and not as obvious as his Vlad the Impaler name.

Tepesh was no vampire, stoker turned him into one as the book was written that way. Vlad was a hero to his people, the strategies he used to instill fear into the heart of his enemies shows true in his workings.

He if anything, was like the mayans in the aspect of the blood drinking, not sacrificing, but dining with the dead, as a consumption of their power and strength into him.

He wasnt a vampire, he was called a vampire because of his deeds. He was bloodthirsty in regards to slaughtering ppl. That is the only reason he was called a vampire.

never knew vlad had TB LOL

There is a show ( supposed true story based) Called Vlad The True Dark Prince. It is very interesting, But I saw no points to show that he was a true vampire. He was a sadistic man whom in the program seemed to feel more powerful with each person he killed.

I'm doing a report on him!lol

His name came up because he would impale people to scare his people into obeying him and outsiders into leaving him be.

Vlad was not a vampire, but a ruler with authority, by impaling his victims he intimadated his enemies on the battlefront and in his home land. The vampire myth or lore came from bram stokers Dracula. that is it. The first vampire no, many lores of people who was inticed with blood came before him. No not a Vampire.

He was just a very tormented mind...

thanks this real help and i will be sure to look in to all the sites posted

response to princesskayd1 - if you read my post it explains how the name dracula came about

XXDawnXX - if you are doing a report check out the second post link on the bio it has lots of great information on not only him nut his family too.

I believe ‘Dracula’ was picked up by Bram Stoker as not only did he like the name but as other have said, there was a real life historical prince who was certainly renowned for the monstrous deeds he inflicted upon his enemies including eating bread soaked in blood. As for ‘Dracula’s real name, it was Vlad Tepes or Vlad Dracul which translates into Vlad, son of the Dragon, as his father was part of a society known as’ Order of the Dragon’.

P.S I saw a discovery channel special:)

cadrewolf said it very well. He was no vampire, but he was historical and he was a great leader, who did what was necessary at that time in history to defeat a greater force. He used fear as a weapon. That is why he was such a great inspiration for the vampire myths that use his name. But he was real, and he was human, he was no vampire.

Excatly Shadowolf, forgot to say, he was defintley no vampire....although his body has never been found.

Polishsiren - if you please... even after your post.. shortly after as a matter of fact, there was someone who did not know the origins of his dracula name and I posted that so that they could find out. He probably did not read your because they are so long is all. I know that sometimes when I see a giant paragraph I get a little intimidated and do not read it.

First i must say i am romanian and passionate of this subject.I think I know a lot about the true Valachian Woivode.

I must be objective and say that he was not a supernatural being and the p.o.v. of Shadowfever is pretty decent about him.

You must know that the valachian medieval sources about him are very few and the majority of the sources about his cruelty are from his enemies (saxons from Brasov, Transilvania; turks; and a slave orthodox monk who hated him because he accepted to be baptized catholic orthodox).
That`s why I think not all that it is said about him (even in contemporary sources) is genuine information.

Let`s be serious, a man with high skills in diplomacy and highly educated (he knew more then 7 languages) and a strategic genius could not be just a "morbid man".
He was a personality for sure and I think that he used the fear as a weapon.

Also I must ask you to judge his cruelty from the perspective of his age and political situation, not ours in the XXI century.

The impalement was invented by the germans and Vlad learn that punishment during his Imprisionment in Adrianopole and Egrigoz (Otoman Empire), while he was young.
He was not the first who used that method in Valachia as this is stated in a contemporary letter, but his opposants(the Danesti valachian dynasty).


Some answers to my friends who posted here:

1.Darkchyld
I have seen the movie "The true dark prince" and I can assure you that is very little genuine information there about Vlad III Tepes: the movie was made in Transilvania and Valachia(the places where he lived indeed) but the characters and many of the facts are pure phantasy.Just one example: Radu cel Frumos (Radu the Beautiful death has nothing to do with his brother LOL)

2. Polishsiren
Sighisoara(the southern Transilvanian town were Dracula is supposed to be born) is actually in the middle of Romania not in the North of it.
Vlad was not burried in Snagov because there is an orthodox monastery and he was baptized catholic to regain the throne of Valachia ;)
The misterious body discovered there was not his and the legend of his burrial in Snagov is just a tale invented by a monk from Snagov in XIX century and told to the historian Al. Odobescu.

3.Pandorasbox
The name Dracula was choosed by his exotic resonance and his fame of cruelty.Stoker had not very much info about Vlad at that time.
As about Valachia(Romania of today), in 1897 when the book was written it was a very well developed country, not some medievel primitive state.We had the 1848 revolution too you know?And all of our reach people were studying at the Universities in Paris and Viena at that time ;) and Timisoara was the first town in Europe electrically illuminated in 1884 :P

If you have any questions about Vlad please tell me and I will be very glad to answer you about his person.I am sure that his real life is much more interesting then any modern vampire novel... or movie. You could say that in his case, reality beats fiction indeed. :D

PS: Vampire? No!
modern mythologycal figure "ressurected" in our conscience by Bram Stoker? DEF!!!

I got the same fear of long passages so I cut mine in as many pieces as I could ;)

This has been a very knowledable thread. I dont feel that he was a vampire, i think that he just gained knowledge from the wisdom he learned

The fear was not his only weapon.

The concept of militar bakery did not exist back then in 1462 when Vlad was attacked by the turks, so the turkish army had to survive eating and drinking from their loot in the conquered territory.
So when the huge otoman army, lead by the Sultan himself, crossed the Danube in Valachia, Vlad burned the crops and poisoned the fountains and reatreated in his fortresses. It was a very hot summer and no forests around so the otoman army begin to die of starvation and their horses died first so many their cavalry had to walk.
From time to time small groups of valachian cavalry armed with speares and bows attacked and retreated with incredible speed so they could not be followed.

What I know about Vlad... at least most of it, I found when I was doing a report on him a few years back. I still have the papers I collected somewhere because they were just so amazing I couldn't bring msyelf to throw them away.

If you read deeply into him you find out that he also hated liers and thieves and that thievery ect went down while he was in charge of his own country.

I read a story that he had a golden jewel encrusted cup just sitting in the middle of the city to tempt thieves, and that because his punishment was so severe that it was not touched until he died.

I also remember reading a story that someone passing through spent the night in the city and when they woke up all of thier gold had been stolen and they went and told Vlad and he said that he would have the mans gold returned by the next morning. By the next morning the passerby returned to Vlad and told him that all of his gold had been returned with an extra piece of gold. Vlad then told him that if he had not been honest about the extra piece of gold he would have had the man impaled. But because he was honest he let the man keep the extra piece.

Also in that campaign Vlad was the first to use the biological weapon:

he infiltrated between the auxiliary troops in the huge otoman army all the cripples and sick people he could find in Valachia and payed them to stay there and spread deseases.

...and what deseases... just think at the black death .... hm really ugly place to take that plague ;)

The story with the gold pot and the merchant was confirmed by an italian ambassador at the court of Vlad so I think it`s true.Nice story!
I don`t like thieves either :P

ya and I remember something about him knowing that an army was coming to attack.. so he implaed a whole bunch of people (like hundreds) and put them all downt eh road that they enemy had to go through... and that even though they were an army to be feared they turned around because they thought he was deranged and it smelled bad.

But he succeeded in making them go away... if I remember right he neeeded to build his army more before he was willing to do battle.

Thank you for the information . When i said morbid . The fear used to inspire , ie having staked dead bodies around your dinner tabel and inviting your enemy to dinner . while stunningly brillant is very morbid to some

ya I read about that lol.. he really freaked them out. I remember reading that he filled everybodies flask with blood and MADE them drink it and they could not make a disgusted face or anything even though the smell of the impaled bodies was all over... because if they did... he would add them to sea of impaled bodies.

thank i thought this guy was sick beforew.....damn

How sick Vlad Tepes was can't even be described in words. -nod-

Vlad Tepes Dracul was trying to protect Valachia's trade and he made special rules to protect his country against the German and Saxon importers. The violation of the rules were severe, yet so were the times of the era.

Vlad also acted out of revenge for the assassination of his father by Vladislav II and brother's torture and murder by the boyars of Tirgoviste and his imprisonment by the Turks.

It is alleged that Bram Stoker had a friend that was a Hungarian professor and this man gave him information about Vlad which gave him a model for the character, "Dracula". And the only real link between the historical Dracula and the of the vampire is the 1897 novel, plus German stories to in an attempt to blacken Vlad's reputation.

The discovery channel did a special on it a while back that was great . I'll see if i can reference it . Doru I did not know that . Great to add to the ever growing info on the man

Very well done everyone & especially thank you my romanian friend

i personally believe this has been done to death. this thread comes up at least once a week, if not every 2 weeks

That happens with many threads. there are a lot of repeats but has it occured to you that it is because new members simply do not know what threads have been posted before then joined. they just want their questions answered and people like you who have seen the thread so many times can tell them.

while i also agree, i would have to disagree, if the remember is a level 10 they must have been on at least 2 months, while i am not starting a fight i believe that, during that time if a member keeps an eye on the forums they can plainly see that its posted for all to view. I am sure that Everyone can dig deep enough to find a question about Vlad Dracula that is more inquisitive, like that the first real act of blood was not done by him but by a baron , that would bath in the blood of her hand maidens till she was later hung, for murder by her people.

lol u have a valid point. I have been playing off and on for the past 3 years so I know how it goes. It does get annoying seeing the same threads again and again. Thats actually why I quit for a while one of those times. Nothing was holding my interest.

Dragonrouge - thanks you kindly for clearing that up... after a while it all blurs and the constant repeats of this topic is getting as old as Vlad... lol

No where in history did mention he was a vampire. Bram Stoker is the one who brought that to light the myth. It was then when it became popular. He was only a man who took pleasure out of torturing his enemies, and whether or not he drank their blood was by word of mouth. A lot of what is known is not what is written down in history records but by authors and hollywood.

Very true Raveryndarkrose, he had a very sick mind, but you have to remember what happened to him and his family beforehand, added to that the pressure of trying to protect his people from the invading turks.

True his deeds were terrible but what were his contempories like?????

Remember he is regarded as a national hero in his own country and his own people should know the history more than anybody plus of course as before mentioned, the account of Vlad's deeds were written up mostly by his enemies.

this i would have to agree with.

sorry i really had never seen a thread on him

Threads on Vlad have been going around since I first joined and I am sure before. Next time do a search on a subject they have it here.

This thread has been the best and most informative on the man I have read.

Darkmaster druid,
Vlad is one of main subjects for vampirism and his importance in the modern mythology of vampirism is undisputable.

Besides sometimes the new members maybe feel not only the need, but also the desire to discuss this subject.
Also, anytime could appear new things about this subject.

I don`t want to appear rude but the threads are free, so if you don`t like the subject, just don`t read it.I think of course that it`s a very good idea to read the old threads on this subject, of course.
I`d like to know if your baron has a name and it`s a real character, or is just an imaginary one ;)

Also I want to congratulate Doru for his knowledge!You really rock man!

Also I`d like to tell you that the pic with Vlad dining under the stakes and drinking blood is a part of the saxon stories told by the saxons from Brasov (Siebenburgen in Transilvania) to make him appear like a mad man.It was a common custom in the XV century that after the battle to have dinner on the battlefield because some battle are really exhausting and the winners could not make it to the military camp.So the place of the dinner was of course pretty near to the impalements.I don`t think that he did that on purpose.

Also I don`t think that he was drinking blood because he was a fervent orthodox christian and he constructed many churches during his reign.It`s just strange that after a battle to manifest disrespect towards his enemies... cruelty in punishments yes, but disrespect... I don`t think so.

I repeat he must be judged from that era point of view, not XXI century.

Princesskayd:
You may say that the sultan saw in june 1462 thousands (not hundred) turks that were impaled on the main road to Targoviste.The square measured about 3km x 1km and the turkish officers were impaled on longer stakes in respect for their status.Respect, see? LOL

And I also think that the turks deserved that, after all there was not their country and they took thousands of slaves, even children every year(I don`t even bother to count the rest of the thievery they did not just in Valachia but also in Serbia,Bulgaria, Hungary, Greece).

So I continue to think that he was not mad... mh more like a hero.
Of course after the sultan saw that he didn`t even wanted to attack the capital of Valachia(Targoviste) and he returned home in fear.Targoviste was just a few km away though... and the sultan endured much to conquer it ... but I don`t condemn him... just imagine the view :D

I just know that Vlad was a man who had the great castles and that he would put a stick up his enemies ass. lol

I have read and heard he was but can it be justified?,I actually am going to go research now

If you want a good movie about the real Vlad just look at "Mircea" 1989, director Sergiu Nicolaescu.The movie is about his grandfather, Mircea cel Batran (Mircea the Old) and you can see there Vlad as a child :P

I think that he was the one that most people associate with Dracula as he has had the most screen play, but as for being the original, by no means do I think any consider him that.

While he is thought of in association with vampires I tend to think he was just a cruel and vicious man with an overgrown sense of self importance.

He wasn't a vampire, just labeled one by Stoker. He was a ruler who had some cruel but effective methods of war.

yeah... from what I read he was a genius at war!... and some of the other things I read also made me think he was a genius... but with the impaling thing... well... all I can say is that theres a fine line between genius and insanity and he flirted with that line.

I think he was someone to be respected and feared at the same time.

Vlad " The Impaler " Tepest was a blood thirsty warrior . The did what needed to be done to be a ruler. Vampire? No... Sick ... twisted... sadist... Absolutely...

Vlad was a man. They called him a vampire because of his cruel and sadistic ways of killing people. He would kill whenever the mood struck especially if they lied. He ruled with terror.

He was a very sick man. VERY sick. I don't think he was really a vampire. He was cruel though. I had no idea he had TB. Is that true? Anyway, I have seen stuff about him on tv before. People began calling him a vampire because of his cruel treatment of people. For instance, the impaling for which he got the nam Vlad the Impaler. There is no evidence he was actually a vampire. He just scared the hell out of people.

Very true Ceri, he did scare the hell out of people but i think that was his intention. After all, yhat method tends to be a lot more effective than 'telling' people what to do:) And yeah, he was twisted but considering his background and family history, i'm not surprised.

I think Vlad was not a vampire, but the stories came out of the fearsome acts he was conducting, impaling his enemies on stakes, and drinking their blood infront of everybody, and the way stories go, even eating their raw flesh, and dipping bread in to the blood, ect.

I think Vlad was'nt doing that beacuse he was a vampire, but to drive fear in to his enemies hearts, and with that to drive them easier out of his country.

But who knows, maybe those practices made him vampiric indeed.

From what I remember reading, it says that Vlad put up the rent on his estates etc and the disgruntled tenants just spread the rumours about him being a vampire....
it could have meant he was sucking money from them!!!

information i have found on Vlad..was that while hurt ..layin on the battle field he was bein fed upon by a very rare bird called a Stickx.I believe was the name of it..After that he developed like the bird a craving for blood.

princesskayd1

He surely liked to flirt all right! : )=
But he really was a bold man and a military genius.
He gave his famous "Nighttime Attack" on 16/17 june 1462 when the turks nearly reached his capital. He split his army in two.Disquised in a turk officer(he spoke turkish fluent), entered during the night in the huge turkish camp (with 7000 valachian riders) trying to attack and kill the Sultan himself in his tent.


The turks, confused and in terror, begun to kill each other without knowing who the turks were.


However, the camp was huge and the sultan`s tent was right in the middle of it. While Vlad`s men killed the Anatolian army, the janissares from the personal guard of the Sultan understood the situation.They shout to their fellow turks not to get out from their tents and made a defensive wall, managing to protect the sultan`s tent.
They even regrouped and counterattacked following the Voivode on his retreat through the woods.


The second valachian detachment was supposed to attack the turks from the other side but the valachian captain betrayed Vlad and that was the main reason why the Sultan escaped alive from this great attack.
The episode with the wood of stakes followed. ;)
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BLOODLIFE

Do you have a source for that?I don`t agree with that.I would really like to know your source.

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Twistedwhispers

"And yeah, he was twisted but considering his background and family history, i'm not surprised."
I see that you like to be twisted too :)
I wonder if you really know his family background or just like to spread rumours.I don`t know what you are speaking about.

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Dragonreborn

I think you are really mixing the legend with the real facts.Maybe you could give us the source of your info.

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The first question of the thread was:
He was a real person?Or a vampire?
He was a real historical figure.
He was a vampire first on Bram Stoker`s book.I like both :P

The question that seems all people know the answer is:He was a psichopath?
Many of you just say yes just because he impaled people.

I think he don`t enjoyed that very much in spite of his black humour.He was a just man who cared for his people and land.And did EVERYTHING to protect them.
And maybe if he and others like him wouldn`t be so cruel WE ALL WOULD SPEAK TURKISH TODAY INSTEAD OF ENGLISH.

Sad but true!

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Vlad Dracula... A little Bio....
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To fully understand the significance of Vlad's name, we must first learn a little bit about his family. His father was also named Vlad (II). He was appointed by Holy Roman Emperor Sigismund and the Boyars to rule Wallachia. He was also a member of a secret group of knights called the Order of the Dragon that was instated to fight the Turks. Because of this membership in the Order of the Dragon, Vlad II became known as Vlad Dracul, with Dracul meaning "Dragon" or "Devil".

Vlad II Dracul eventually betrayed the Order of the Dragon and joined the Turks, handing Vlad III and Mircea II (two of his sons) over to the Turks to be hostages and act as his "insurance". One of Vlad II's relatives went against him in battle where he was assassinated.

At this time, rulership was not passed down to a son, but was instead appointed by the Boyars who were a petty, gossipy, wicked group of people, only intent on their own gain.
Several years passed before Vlad III could make an alliance that would allow him to rule Wallachia, and when he did so, he quickly became know as Vlad Dracula, with the additional "a" meaning "son of". He was known as "Vlad Son of the Devil".

His first Easter as ruler is where his many evil deeds began. He called all the Boyars to dine with him, and as they finished eating, he had them all arrested for the betrayal of his father, and impaled on spikes around the city for all to see.
This is where he got his name "Vlad Tepes", with Tepes meaning "The Impaler".
Over the years that he was ruler, he had thousands of people impaled, as well as tortured, further earning his nickname as Vlad the Impaler.

After a six year reign, Vlad III's brother, Radu the Handsome, attacked his castle in order to kill Vlad. He managed to escape into the forest and flee to Transylvania, but his wife jumped to her death to avoid capture.
Once Vlad reached Transylvania seeking refuge, he was imprisoned, but treated well, given room to go wherever he pleased on the castle grounds. He eventually remarried a Countess and had two children with her while he was a prisoner there.

Eventually, he was sanctioned by the King of Hungary, who was ruling Transylvania at the time, to lead an army against the Turks, and being that he had so much experience defeating the Turks, this was ideal. He fought many battles against the Turks, and even tried to retake Wallachia from his brother Radu. However, he never got the chance to defeat Radu who died from Syphilis, and was replaced by a new ruler.

As time went on, he was reinstated as the ruler of Wallachia, and sanctioned by the Holy Roman Emperor to impale the Turks for God. As luck would have it though, the Boyars had not forgotten the evil deeds done by Vlad Tepes, and conspired to kill him. They set him up in a battle against the Turks that he could not win, and he was outnumbered and killed by way of decapitation.

he was never a vampyer!!! not until 1891 when he was used in a book by bram stroker!!!

Vlad Tepes was not a vampire. The use of the word was similar to another in Irish which was pronounced "Drakola". Most of what is spoken about Vlad is an Urban Legend. No one knows how much he took from his life and what he did know was at the last minute just prior to publishing when he changed the name and location so basically it was NOT based on this man, it was a mere after thought. Many researchers believe it was loosely based on many things...one in particular an Irish Chieftain named Abhartach who does have a buriel place in Ireland and is from the 4th or 5th century and much older than any Vlad tales. It is known that Stoker had read this tale and been told many others over the years. Dracula just means "son of Dracul" ...its like the prefixes in Scotland and Ireland of the same type. I recently wrote an article for Haunted Times on Abhartach and the connection to his book. Should be out now.

Very interesting post!!!

Do you think that the word "Drakola" is older then Stoker?And what "Drakola" means exactly?It could be a reason for Stoker to choose the nickname of Vlad for his character.

Some say that the character Dracula from Stoker`s book was inspired by Walt Withman (!)>And they have some arguments to sustain their theory too.

It is clear for me that Stoker`s character was inspired by many real characters.But is for sure that the valachian voivode was one of them.

Can you give us a link to your article?I`d like very much to read it.

Dragonrouge~

I've been searching for the source you wanted with no luck so far. I actually just googled it and found it by accident, I was unaware that it was something new only that it wasn't included in this thread.

If this thread gets closed I will continue to search and pm you...

Vlad the Impaler was not a vampire. Bram Stoker's character Dracula was only loosely based on him.

I remember reading that Vlad had a few wives... can't remember how many it said (maybe 2 or 3) but I remember reading that one he had for several years and that he did love her and the she hated it when he was upset about anything, so she told him that she was with child one time even though she wasn't. It said that her saying that had cheered him for days... I can't remember how long. Then after he found out it was a lie he got so upset that he had her impaled for lieing. (It said that she told him that because she knew that he always wanted to have kids....)

i have to agree. i truely do not believe him to be the first vampire. people claim that he is, but in all truth i dont think so. but yes, he was a very brutal man.

I think the very first example of drinking blood or reference to it is when jesus lifted his cup and told them to drink of his blood, maybe they became the first vampires lol

Even in fiction dracula was not the first vampire. Dracul was not part of Vlad Tepes name it was a society that he and his father belonged to so it was sort of like a title. Depending on the dialect dracul either means dragon or devil and when you add the a at the end it means son of. Stoker liked the word Dracula is the main reason he used it and the fact that it came from an area rich in vampire myths (that had absolutely nothing to do with Vlad. Vlad Tepes may be considered a hero in that region now but he was not then except by those loyal to him in the region of his country that he had dominion over. The rest of his country feared him, his king even had him arrested.

I do not believe he is the first real vampire honestly.

Wolvie, you should read before you post!ROFL

1.Vlad was not the vasal of Matias King of Hungary, but his ally.Valachia was an independent state at that time.

2.Matias betrayed Vlad not the ather way around:P

Matias recieved 1/8 of the Pope`s budget (a huge amount of money) to help Vlad on his war against the turks(1462).

Instead of that,the greedy King Matias attacked Poland... and lost the war.
Fearing the Pope, he used some forgeries(the authors were the same saxons that wrote those exagerations about Vlad you all read now on the internet :P) and accused Vlad that he in secred wanted to be "the humble servant of the Great Sultan".
ROFL
Vlad killed that year over 40 000 turks and attacked the sultan himself trying to kill him in his tent. :D

So instead of helping Vlad, Matias tricked him and arrested him.
As you see Matias betrayed Vlad!!!! ;)

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just to be sure you read this post, sorry:P

3.The people didn`t fear Vlad!
Vlad was the only one in 200 years to raise the "BIG ARMY" formed by all the peasants and little nobles of all Valachia :P
He was considered just and regarded with affection even by the bulgars:

he offered political asylum to the bulgarian peolple. 20 000 accepted and crossed the Danube just to escape the turks.
Feared, no!More liked loved and considered a saviour:P


4. the actions of Vlad were not on his personal interest , and certainly not for "a bunch of guys" that supported him LOL
And that is NOT MY personal OPINION:

The Pope himself considered him the greatest hero of his time,( even if he was not a catholic christian!!)
The monks from Athos, greece considered him a holy man!
He was a hero also for the Genovese and the Venetian republic.

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His actions were not a minor quarrel with the turks but the symbol of resistance for all Christian Europe at that time.
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Please do not just relate the lies about him but try too see all the picture.Did anyone presented here any of his reasons for what he did?On the contrary, anyone searches but the blood... just like the articles from scandal tabloids :P

He's an interesting historical figure, not much more.....It didnt start with him I believe, but got labeled by him....

I think there are a few inventions within the story of the ipaled lady too :P

I suspect that the conflict with the Brasov saxons was beacuse a love story he had in Brasov just before Vlad became the Voivod of Valachia.
There are some recent documents discovered a few years ago in Brasov about that.

That love story is really extraordinary.Unfortunately you won`t find anything translated in english on the internet about that I think.

He was a romantic lover, not a woman murderer!;))

How he became a vampire?
The saxon tales made him a vampire... and all who blindly believe them.

Dragonrouge~

thank you have been a great help and very informative

thank you all and i have defintly grasped that he was not a vamp let alone the first

what else is there about he that anyone would like to say

Nobody said it started with him. ROFL

Actually it started in Summer 4000 years ago.
But the "modern" mythology of the vampires is the direct result of Bram Stoker`s

DRACULA!

well know that it is clear that it did not start with him would anyone like to enlighten us on exactly where and how it started

Sorry, can't help on how it started, but as a side note. Vlad Dracula was one of the first lords to really demonstrate the machiavelian state, better to be feared than loved. He couldn't be loved by all, so he could be feared by all, in particular his enemies. So stories of his cruelty would have been used early on to cement his place.

thanks anyway i am sure that dude was freared by everyone that know of him

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