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It has always been said that silver or nickle have affect on vampires.Do you think this is just Hollyweird or do you feel there could be a solid reason the metals affect Vamps like they do?If so,why?

well i think that the silver is just hollywierd but the nickel is real.most human beings bodies cant handle nickel especially large trace amounts of it.one would think that if a human body cant handle it neither would a vampires body

I agree with the nickel part but not the silver part.
Silver being a resource at that time used by the churches, it was thought to be gods money and with it being holy silver could be melted into weapons which would slay the vampire.Since it was holy and of god obviously it could slay the undead.

I think alot of this is Hollywoods version of destroy vampyres. But do we truly what will effect Vampyres so to say. By books parchments tales that your ancestors told.

At one time, silver was held as a pure metal by churches; perhaps that is where that legend used by movies/novels came from.

Nickel can cause more harm to bodies. It is used as a filler with gold and such. I know I cannot wear 10 karat gold because of the higher nickel content than in 14 karat gold.

I concur, Silver was one of the Holy metals, so it was thought to be of "God" or pure. lol
But nickle as stated by others can be highly toxic to all.

Nickle being harmful to people doesn't mean they are automatically harmful to vampires..so that I disagree with. Silver..I don't know. Seems a bit too far from the holy trail to me.

I think that it is just fiction and movies... I don't think that silver can harm a vampire although I'm not sure about the nickle part.

i think that is all hollywoods doing

I think its all hollywood. Yes nickle causes issues but its in everything. And pretty much all of the vampire killing methods would kill anyone.

Silver = werewolve killer as the story goes.

Right,You think it could have stemed from the 30 pieces of silver that paid Judas? Is this what makes Silver holy?

I think if you shoot/stab a vampire in the places the legends say it kills them at with anything, they would die. Silver bullets or plastic caps.

Good point Oceanne.

I am wearing silver ring and nothing happened to my body.

VampireSimon -


If I'm not completely wrong, I think that's supposed to go through your non-existing heart. And are you a vampire or anything but human for that matter? I think not.

To answer your question oceanne.
Silver being expensive more so then rather then now.There was few places who could afford to use silver the church was one of them.So since the church used silver more often then most it was thought holy and pure. since it would not stain easily.At least that is what I have read about it.

Right on RR. I've read something very similar.

as for nickel I know it can cause poisonous side effects, However I have never heard of any myths revolving around it with vampire.

Left third finger's vein goes direct through heart.That is where I am wearing at it.So if silver has anything to do with my body,it already happening.

vampiresimon the whole silver aspect is when the silver is introduced into your blood stream. Yes I know for an un dead vampire some think that redundant since their blood is coagulated.
For a living vampire less alone anyone else introduced with silver in their blood stream would get sick as well.
As for anothr reason from one of a popular myth, Silver used by a priest blessing it as they used it helped focus the holy energies into the silver piece so the silver would become more a beacon.

I had also never heard of nickel in regards to vampires either. And indeed a good point RR.

I never did that into my blood stream so I cannot answer on that one.

Colloidal silver preparations are used medicinally. They have anti-bacterial properties. ie. Silvadene is a cream preparation used in wounds to prevent infection - most specifically it is used on burn wounds.

So silver does have the "power" to kill little critters, at least.

That would be medically treated silver not silver in itself which is what would have been around back in those times.

So I do not believe they had that form of silver nor the knowledge to incorporate that as a use.
However so much knowledge was lost during the dark ages so who is to say what truly was around before then.
Also Simon I would say on personal experience with silver from people proclaiming vampires, they talk of irritations irregular skin color to the area where the silver is set upon.

I have never heard of Nickel in connection with vampires and I have heard about silver in connection with werewolves only, but that only from Hollywood movies.

Thanks,razael,I have abnormal skin color on my left third finger.

I had never heard of nickel either and also only in holy wood movies had I heard of silver being used in bullets for werewolves.

I honestly don't know but I am drawn to silver like a ferret ;it's overwhelming sometimes!However ,I do feel it is worth looking into so I will get back to you.

It's all Hollywood mumbo jumbo as far as I'm concerned

Yes,I am familiar with Silvadene...silver sulfadiazine.Used normally at about 1%.
something like that?
Gold and other things have been used for medicinal purposes ,that is also true.
But Im wondering,why Silver is considered holy,besides from being blessed by a priest or something.
Nickle alloy is poisonous sure,but it is also a good conductor.

Silver nitrate preparation was also used routinely as drops put in a newborn's eyes to prevent infection from occuring after passage through the birth canal.

I would be interested as well what makes Silver so holly.

The legend that Vampires could not cross silver is very similar to that of the witch not being able to cross silver. The origin of this being, in this time in history, silver was a very precious metal; almost as precious as gold. The poor and middle class normally did not own silver jewelry. However, in poorer parishes some of the priests did have silver crosses. Silver reflects light, God is light, light destroys dark, Vampires are believed to be dark ... hence a Vampire could be destroyed by silver.

I gathered this information from this website( Im sorry my html abilities are low).
http://www.geocities.com/vampiricstudies/mythorigin.html

Thank you Razael. That I think explains it very well. I had somewhere on my tongue that it was rare and somehow that's why it was thought to be holy, but couldn't explain it much.

the nickel i have never heard of harming vampires, but may be true.
the silver however, i have never seen a reason why, but in quite a few vampire themed myths, especially christian based ones, i have heard of it being effective, although i guess that could be for the reasons stated above.

right,antibiotic.
Actually that could for now stand as a train of thought because it is an antibactirial and and fungal..Doesnt hold water because on the virus aspect tho..but thye didnt really know that back then.

Nice post RR. Thank you.I will check that out.

Metal have an effect on humans, why not vampyre, my understanding is that vcertain types of metal absorb energy better than others such as silver. Thus take a peice of metal that has absorbed energy from its surroundings and place it on a vampire, if its positive energy it will give positive energy to them, if its negative, well ya get the picture.

all i know is silver dose not work

Wonder why it has been professed to work then.All this time.
I do like all of the explainations,but are we perhaps pver looking something?

I think that that is just hollywood talking. But there are several people who are allergic to certain metals. LIke me I can't touch nickel.

I think it's mostly from Hollywood, but based on actual folklore. If you research on it, some of the old beliefs on killing or disabling a vampire included silver and nickel.

it has been said already why so im just gonna say yes im pritty sure that it would 'cause the whole toxic and god things

Its just Hollywood. If vampires have any weaknesses I don't think a metal would be one.

The silver theory is just an old belief used by the religious to control levels of fear in the common man.

I think it's a combo of the location of the wound and the metal. everything has nickel, but when it is not diluted and is put right into the heart or other vital location, it has a more serious effect.

Keeper -

But vampires are supposed to be dead, right? Therefore they wouldn't have a beating heart.

What about the fact that it is the best reflector of light known. ...??

doesn't have to be beating to still be a vital location. Who really knows for sure. I'm sure if you look hard enough, for every possible right answer, there is something that will say it is wrong.

But in most cases, wouldn't it be the brain that would have to be affected by the nickel?

Yes KK,and its all just speculation anyway.

Does it really matter? It's not like anyone is ever going to break some historic miracle posting on here. I'm just trying to gain level and support my baby. :-)

Silver does reflect light nicely, but that has little bearing on what it would do to a member of the lore. It's shine is why it has been used widely for holy relics, like crosses. Silver itself is just a metal, unless it has been blessed - and ~any~ object can be blessed. Blessings do have a power, if they are performed properly. I've seen some "holy" objects (even within churches) that had no power...

I think it matters on the style and intent, like dealing with any kind of metal.

However what I find, exceedingly odd, is that my skin will break out, blister and peal away where I wear what were once high quality silver rings. It could just be a change in my body chemestry, but it started almost a year ago, when I wear rings i have had for 5 or so years, that my fingers breakout, and the flesh peels off. Its quite revolting and painful. But just one of those things, can't be certain of.

Contact dermatitis fo sho..or...maybe youre a vampire! O_o

So the consensus is that it is because the silver has been blessed?

No KK,but its fun talkin about it...and fun to use the imagination.You support your baby,I'll support my brain. :D
So anyway.what about the fact that Silver attatches itself to some viruses..and in fact,Vampirism really is caused by a virus,like the V5..haha you see where Im headed?

in some myths dracula was judas and the punishment for the silver he received was hes punishment

Yes,that was what I was saying earlier,you think it has something to do with that?Judas?

jdenoyon,you might not see a bearing at this time,as to why ,but I see a very distinct one.

Its highly possible if you buy into judas was a vampire after he tried hanging himself.
Although Ive only heard him a vampire in 2 instances
1. dracula 2000
and
2.from some deranged mental aid guy.

I think its more likely as previously stated metals have certain elements to them that make them a good conductor
So silver being one of the purest metals its possible that its more about the conductivity that silver perhaps had when possibly affecting a vampire

Yes,I leaning that way too RR. as opposed to the whole religion aspect.
there are some attributes that make it interesting,the fact that it reflects light,it attatches itself to viruses/kills micro organisims and it is one of the highest conduits..there seems to be some legit reasons why it could actually work.At least so far.

Yes if you want to negate the paranormal for it and use more scientific aspects proven of silver.
It would be rather easy to see how it would since some vampirism has been projected as a virus which attacks the blood stream and body of a person which in turns slows their life and causes them the need to feed pending on the version of vampires.

What Im looking for are paranormal things that can be at least back up by science.For me,it gives them pretty hefty substance,Because I believe they are one in the same.Both looking differently at the same thing.
But even if it cant be,it doesnt matter,its still fun doing it .I really think peeps make their mistake by hardlining one way or the other and discounting what another point of view would have to offer.But Im getting off track here...Just looking for some reasons that silver was chosen as opposed to lead or tin or brass.

And right RR on the Virus thing too.But then,the peeps didnt know that that would have been the reason it was supposed to kille them or repel them.At least not during the time period when much of the folklore came about.It could have possibly come from a much earlier period.And if that is the case,then there are all kinds of possibilities to explore.

I believe I stated earlier in this thread however might have been a different one.However During the dark ages a lot of things were lost it could goto say that. alchemists knew of silver's properties however that information was lost in time.And some of the remaining doctors or alchemists of that era remembered or held rumor to silvers properties.

I think that silver would hurt vampires for the reasons most of the people above me have stated . The church blessed there holy relics and service items . Most of which were made out of silver .

Thank you all for the info about the nickle that i never knew .

My opinion it is all Hollyweird.Nickle or silver doesn't bother me.Actually no type of metal does.
KA

Ok, I have a few questions/comments here.

First of all, silver is not inherently holy! It is only holy if it has actually been blessed, and been blessed properly.

Secondly, I have actually never read of vampires having problems with silver. Werewolves, yes, vampires, no, though I imagine some vampires, like people, are allergic to silver.

Also, you say "So anyway.what about the fact that Silver attatches itself to some viruses..and in fact,Vampirism really is caused by a virus,like the V5..haha you see where Im headed?" Would you mind adding a link so I can read the scientific evidence about this? It does sound intriguing!

I have never heard of silver effecting vampires. Werewolves yes. But not vampires. The only place I have ever read anything similar is on other threads here within the past 3 years... although I don't remember anyone else saying that 'it is said'... those forums just mentioned how it works on werewolves and then started playing with the idea of it working on vampires...

I have yet to run into any myth or legend where silver defeats vampires. Unless it is a silver stake through the heart... in which case wood works just fine.

I do think most of it is made up from hollywood . However it might be possible for some of them to be allergic as well as humans are . It was a good point to post

I dont believe that vampires are affected by any sort of metal

Only since it seems apparent either this post was missed or over looked however here is the link stating things dealing with silver and vampires.

http://www.geocities.com/vampiricstudies/mythorigin.html

again sorry my html isnt good enough to hyperlink it.

In my opinnion Vampires should not have any problems with various metals and their properties, only if those are trusted trough their skull, than they might find them selfs to be in a slight problem.

Other than that, I believe they are completly immune to the properties of any metal.

jdenoyon, I do understand that you meant silver needed to be blessed.Personally.I dont think it has anything to do with that..or religion for that matter.Thanks tho for the info.As for the link for V5,sure,heres a link or too.

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/156/3782/1610

http://jvi.asm.org/cgi/reprint/74/7/3011.pdf

I would also like to say that there have been a number of testimonies here that silver doesnt bother them..Thaz kool,but might I point out that there is a difference in wearing Silver and having it introduced internally.
Now,I have found some stuff that I think some of you might find intesting regardless...
And this could in theory be applied to a dead vamp or a live one.Everyone knows what happens when silver and magnesium are mixed correct?
Isnt this what we always see or hear of what happens when shot by a silver bullet or whatever?They blow the hell up.
In the human body there is Magesium.It is very important to our good health.Now if the vamp was undead,all the blood and fluids dry up..everything becomes concentrated..get my point? But hey,its crazy yeh,...

Or could it be the whole reflective thing? Silver is the most reflective metal on earth,Vamps cannot see them selves in mirrors..Could it be,that there is something to that aspect? Who knows,just another aspect to look at.
Mirrors are made with silver.

And I have found some evidence that this notion of silver goes beyond hollweird.But I really fdo need to solidify that yet.

It was said that a Vampire could only be killed by a weapon or bullet made of silver, and was equally effective against vampires, as described in Eastern European folklore. This had given rise to the term "silver bullet," which is used to describe things designed to cure or fix a wide array of maladies..

so maybe,there really might be a little something to the properties of silver and its affect on Vamps beyond shiny and blessings after all?I mean,enough to be a contributing reason that gave rise to the notion that Silver kills em.

I like the statement Oceanne made about it's inherent ability to best reflect light. I wonder, what is the chemical, elemental composition of Silver that allows it to do that?

Someone else stated that Alchemists and doctors of former times knew these properties - why not now? I'm sure that even if they were lost, there are plenty of studies being conducted on the vibrational frequency (as was discussed within the thread regarding the Nature of Magic and gold), as well as reflective qualities these metals have, in modern times.

The nickel, however, Oceanne you will have to enlighten me. How does that fit in? Everyone else seems to be only focusing on the silver.

Basically it adds strength and up the silver's ability to withsatnd high temps.
Also,Nickle has an electrical property I find interesting when looked at in this whole context..plus,something else I find interesting..namilngly ...you guessed it,sound.nickle has one of the highest sound qualities around,and when blended with Silver?...

And right WB.,the alchemists and a select few knew ,but what about the peeps who didnt..things get twisted and lost as it passes from mouth to mouth,or percieved differently.Resulting in the loss of the original secrets..

All of this is based on folk lore and artistic liscence from recent authors and screen writes.
The first Vampire stories have have been retold with new twists and ideas to make them fit in with modern times.

As far as the whole Judas thing, I had never heard that. It kind of goes along with my JC & the 12 being vampires theory. Not that I really think it, but anyone can add their own ideas on what is and was. This is definitely how the myth, legend whatever was born.

True.
So the whole silver thing came later you say?

I believe the myth of silver with vampires started at the rise of the dark ages in the area's in which spouted the most myths.Places like Romania, Germanic, maybe even Italy or Europe.

However it probably does have more to do with the reflective properties of silver with in itself.

math equation

Vampire + Light = death
Silver = reflect of light
Vampire + Silver = death

I read that link that RR gave as to why silver would kill a vamp to be straigh forward I was not impressed... that link revolves all around the religous belief of christians. I feel the same way about vamps not reflecting in a mirror. PROVE to me that vamps do not have a reflectiona nd then maybe I will take this into consideration. Untill then I am not willing to base things on vampires from someone else religous belief.

I am going to look at the link Oceanne put up now and see if it is more convincing.

um... ocanne.. would you mind translating the contents of those links into english? Science is not my high point.. however I normally understand scientific referances I find on this site... but those pages are just insane, can you stupid it down for me?

the link I provided had nothing to do with religious aspect from what I noticed.However I did not provide it for religious purposes only to find some myth leading to if silver did affect vampires.
Wasnt trying to convince anyone on that.

on top of that find me a vampire who is immortal and will bust into flames or just start sizzling due to sunlight.
LOL.Over all its a myth which is what oceanne asked about.Regarding silver and what makes it do such things.
I also have been looking up more links
I will post as I find more useful information.

A silver sword could kill them i suppose . Maybe it just makes people feel better to think there is an easy way to kill what there scared of

o thanks lol... ur right I guess it would be a myth. It just bugged me that all of them on that site were traced back to the christian belief. With the whole god being sun, fire, light, moving water ect.... and vampires not being able to touch any of them simply because they resembled god.

They even found a way to connect garlic with god... I was like 'what?' and made funky eyebrows at it. lol

Also from that point of view it states that vampires are evil, and really good and evil are in the eye of the beholder.

So... I'm hoping she can stupid down that scientific talk for me so that I can understand it without spending days bulldozing my way through it... I just don't have the patience for that and it is obvious that she knows science talk.

As do I lol.So I follow it rather easily,

as for garlic, it was used as a purification technique, to help ward away evils.So it doesnt surprise me that since majority of the Christians of that time era converted from a place that used garlic in that sense that if carried over in some areas.

I think garlic just smells bad when theres a lot of it. I think that, in certain amounts, it could make ANYTHING go away. I mean I've seen dogs run away and also people because it smells so strong... but I wouldn't say that it's because they are evil and can't take the purification abilies of garlic.

It tastes rly good in small quantities though...

So are there anyother myths of other metals hurting vampires ?

and just to add I know many of you on here stated your opinion that its hollywood based however most of these myths hollywood took from older sources then movies.So it can not be hollyweird made.

as for myths there are an abundance of myths revolving around vampires.

One of the weirdest ones I will try to find a link to this one however for the time being one of the weirdest myths about vampires is that during the blood moon vampires are not allowed to feed from women along with its the only time they are suppose to be allowed to actually take a mate.I believe the reason had to do with the blood of females being unpure on that specific night.

I've heard that before... but why would thier blood be unpure on that night?

be cool would love to learn more about that rr sounds thought provoking

like I stated the only reason I could think of it being unpure is a vampiric superstition amongst themselves maybe the moon showing as blood is a omen to them not to feed upon the ladies for that night.

hmmm... some things are myth for a reason I guess...

That one stretches my mind. lol

I believe it is holly woods doing ,

I've actually never heard of that, I've only heard of silver harming a werewolf...So I'm guessing it's Hollywood.

Those links simply tell you the nature of the V5 virus,per request.

I think,as I had posted early on in the form of questions,that if anything,the reason Silver was chosen for either wherewolf or Vampire repellent,is threefold.
One,it is the most reflective metal.
Two, because of its resonance.
Three,because can act as an ant-bactirial,anti-viral -and anti -fungal.

In other words,I guess it could be a form of light resonance bullet,when taking into all the aspects of silver .

Just remember that almost everything, be it silver, nickel, garlic, cooking salt, can be harmful (even deadly) to people if the dosage is right.

As for vampires? Never met anybody I couldn't kill, so there's no empirical reason for me that someone who believes himself to be a vampire should be harder to kill than other people.

This thread has been automatically closed for length.

Part of the reason I lean towards my conclusion..

Introduction
How does light interact with matter? This was the question
Michael Faraday tried to answer through his examination of
metal colloids. He was the first to show that metal particles
many times smaller than the wavelength of light nonetheless
scatter and absorb light strongly, such that even dilute solutions
exhibit bright colors.1 As an inventor of the dynamo, Faraday
would have been intrigued to know that the collective oscillation
of conduction electrons within metal particles enables scattering
and absorption of light at a particular frequency, giving them
color in the case of silver and gold.

http://depts.washington.edu/gemsec/publications/pdfs/Xia-Ag-JPCB-Feature-Article.pdf

my blood has stayed pure so idk

my blood has stayed pure so idk

Silver was not a traditional protection, "Iron" was the metal of choice. Iron shaving around a baby, iron necklace for yourself, or placing iron around your home was thought to protect you from vampires.

I'd say fiction!
On Iron, I've heard that it will repel evil and mischievous faeries too.

I guess I will check iron out a little.

I don't believe that metal or silver would have any effect...I just think it's more of Hollywood weird!

yeah, I think so too!

I beg to differ.I have found some pretty amazing prperties in silver.Not only that,there are things it does or causes too.There is a reason,more than hollywood that peeps put in belief silver and why they feel it is a blessed metal.

M'lady, who thinks?

What I mean is,I dont think it is fiction why they would choose that paticular metal.Silver fits the bill if ever a metal did as far as that goes.

okay, I see/understand the angle in which you are thinking/coming from.

Kool.But truthfully? It no more sounds like fiction than shapeshifting or any of that stuff.You know,that makes me think too.There are alot of things that remain unexplained ,maybe it could be partly due to the fact that when an answer is looking us in the face,we refuse or cannot see it.

M'lady, who thinks?"

Please clarify?

i really think this is a holywood myth... considering that we are real vampires, or modern as i like to call us... silver or any other metal has no effect on us... now, i´ve also heard about nickel, but not in the form of some accessory...

I don't think that silver hurts vampires. I have heard that some kinds of wood are better to build a stake with than others.

Just more hollywood crapzilla...

your very response, dear sister.

"There is a reason, more than hollywood that peeps put in belief silver and why they feel it is a blessed metal."

Just a challenge for those always simply stating its hollywood rubbish try to find topical things with silver that isnt older then hollywood there are tons of myths,legends,and rumors on silver that predates film era.This is not to start drama or any issues.It is simply to enhance the minds stake of the topic.

exactly!
why is it considered holy? what makes it so?

I Believe That A Cross or Silver Would Hurt The Vampire Only On The Amount Of Faith That You Have On The Whatever You Believe I Believe FAITH is The Key Not The Items Themselves......

So why isn't gold used? It's a good conductor better than silver in that it doesn't oxidize, has a higher melting point, a higher tensile strength and good reflective qualities. Gold is most often used as a symbol of purity that is why most wedding rings are gold. Most of the myths and legends that I've read about silver was for a werewolf not a vampire unless it was in the form of a holy object like a cross. If the vampire had been Jewish in life would you then need a star of David made of silver? In the legends only beheading or cremation killed a vampire a wooden staked just paralyzed them. In some areas it was common practice to stake any corpse to prevent it from rising. In some cases cold wrought iron stakes were used. In areas where a vampire was thought to be active they would behead all that were buried and in extreme cases exhume entire families and behead them all in hopes of getting the right one since it was believed that a vampire went after his or her family first. I never came across the legend of them not being able to cross silver, but have heard the legend that they could not cross running water. Dracula was a work of fiction and therefore could not be Judas. Judas hanged himself there is no hint anywhere that he arose after that.

I know nickel was used as a base in most metals

sheer and total Hollywood rubbish. I happen to love silver.

i would agree with the nickel but definitely not silver, silver from what i understand is for werewolves.

All Im saying,is if there would be a metal that could stop a Vampire IF they do exsist,it could very well be silver.Or Gold.But I am addressing silver right now.
Taking into account the things I have heard kills or stops a Vampire or werewolve,Silver could in theory ,indeed do it.I can clearly see why it would have been chosen.As I have stated,it is because of its ability to kill virus,resonate ,reflect light even in the most darkest of places and it can even stand on the fact it was cheaper than gold.
You believe that it is nothing but hollywood?Find the hole,so far,I havent been able to.
The use of silver to ward off things goes back to The Sumerians .
And if it is just a case of hollweird? All I can say is that someone did their bloody homework on the science end of it.
I am looking at iron too ,so far,not even close, although it does have a couple of attributes,it cant compare.

Please,someone proove that this Silver thing started with Hollywood.You make you staement but have yet,post anything that would back it up.

I read alot of books and never have seen anything about it -- I believe it's just hollywood ..

First account I can find..3600 BCE.

I dont think hollywood exsisted then..could be wrong on that tho.

Also,as I have stated before.
"and was equally effective against vampires, as described in Eastern European folklore."
The silver bullet.

I think its false all the way. Vampires are not real. its all made up to make movies like u said or maybe to just have some fun like vr. i dont want to get noone upset at me its just my opoion and everyone is different.

I would definitely go more with the thought that a specific metal has no affect on a vampire (given vampires are real, and even then, what constitutes a "real" vampire is highly debatable).

And considering the traits of so so called Vampire and werewolf,proove silver would not work.Wherther it be the Christian aspect ,magical aspect or scientific.Not too much to ask is it?
.This isnt the meaning of life were talkin,its just "stuff".So state your case.Who cares if we are all wrong or right.

Okay, so here we go...

I look at things generally from the scientific standpoint.

Metal aversions typically arise from allergic reactions, although aversion also exists in the way of metals that are corrosive/radioactive. Also, are we talking about alloys (e. g. sterling/britannia/mexican/etc. silver), or something like fine silver (99.9% silver), or does it matter?

Anyway, on to my point. Let's say vampires are real, no questions asked. Why would they be averse to some metal (silver, aluminum, nickel, whatever). Does the metal give them itchy skin? Does the metal have gaseous properties that, when inhaled, make the vampires crazy (e. g. lead in lead paint)? If this is the case, what makes the vampire so different from a human?

The same thing goes for so-deemed werewolves, which may be defined scientifically as those with Hypertrichosis (Wikipedia Link) or Clinical Lycanthropy (Wikipedia Link)

Nice post..I dont know if you read all of the posts,but there are several reasons I have clearly stated why it would bother the Vampire and even destroy them.If you would like to see scientific data,and more medical articles ,which I really tried to spare everyone from, then so be it.

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And almost forgot.Nickle is very commonly used as an alloy.

RazielTheReaver,dont worry about peeps getting upset,no one is.It is really simple... proove it.Proove what you say is true.
It is very easy to post one's opinion.I just like to see ones opinion substanceated, so I know what made one come to the decision they have.No big deal.

I will side with those who say the only reason silver has an effect on a vampire is because of the socalled religious influence.

Personally, if one ignores the physical properities of nickel, I would say that silver has NO effect on vampires whatsoever.

It makes for some cool scenes and effects in "Hollyweird" movies, but that's about it. :) Of course Hollywood got something wrong in which wood is as deadly as metal... um... I don't think so. lol

ok Jens,thats fair enough,but I say proove it.Lets get beyond opinions here.

and yet I can reiterate what me and oceanne has stated already which many seems to have ignored.

If you want to say its holly weird back it up.Other wise it seems your just adding a minor post to help your ratings which is rubbish and ruins a thread as so many do constantly to my opinion.
If you say its hollywood prove it, do actual research and find where silver doesnt predate hollywood on effects, Yes I put a link up which predates hollywood it is christian based but it predates film industry.If i can do it I know all of you can.

silver being a holy and religious instrument has been played out in both the movies and the myths.the truth is silver probably has no effect on vampires at all.however nickel is highly poisonous as i have said before and yes it does effect any body,even an undead body.

pyramidhead do you have any links or websites to back up silver not doing anything to a vampire? Im just curious as this topic is highly of interest to me.I have posted links stating silver affects vampires from myths.You also stated that the myths were played out, So any links stating a counter measure to silver not affecting a vampire? I would like to read up on a place if there is.

Right PH.But heres the catch.ANY forign object that is introduced into the body is going to do one or three things or both..get infected locally,Go systemic by way of toxicity or tthe object will move through the body,many times surfacing someplace quite far from the original insertion.
Now,since it has ben said,that Vamps are superiour,it would be assumed that your normal metals ,lead included(Which,besides Mercury,is one of the most poisonous of metals) do not affect them.So what is it that would allow it to?
Look at the divine aspect..Silver scatters light and produces colour more than any other metal.The light I refer to is known as white light.White light has always been associated with??? Yes,god or the divine,what have you.
Lets look at the medical aspect.If Vampirism is indeed a virus,what metal,that is somewhat affordable can have an affect of a virus.Silver.Its proven.It is a killer of microorganisms.
Lets look at the spiritual aspect.
As far as Im concerned,the spirit or soul is a form of sound.Or vibration(And I have many things that would lend credence to this)Silver is a very resonant metal.
Religious aspect.If it has been blessed by a priest,then the conductivity and ability for the metal to hold a divine vibration,or the voice of God,could also be applied to Silver.
Magical aspect.Same as the religious.Only a mage or witch puts the "energy" into the metal.
Thats just the very basics.

Actually,I am going to ask at this point that anyone who does not have something to contribute other than their opinion,refrain from posting.I cannot tell you to,because the forums are freefor all.HOWEVER,I am very well aware of,and ALL for,the standards being kept as high as possible when posting,so please,I ask you.post something worthwhile that we can put our hands on.You know,like that opinion of yours backed up by something?
Thanks guys.

This is a great subject you know.One worth the disscussion.Please,if your gonna call bullshit,then get ready to back it up.Cause if you dont,I will.Or I will blow apart your opinion with the evidence contradicting what you have posted..It is as simple as that.

Dented Skies
Rusted minds starring deep into hollow thoughts of feeble concentration,
A backlash of Dust coughing Illusions from my sights,
In my Path of awakening Lust of survival creeps along my sickened fate of meditation,
Disolution filling my Cries the Darkened howl Pouring from the skies.
Scars of Lust dripping on my Tongue,
To eat your SOul until our time is Done.

Please,would you mind translating that for us and how it pretains to the subject at hand?
Thanks.

Im no dominar however I think that poem would be best suited in your journal

since we are discussing legends it would be impossible to prove 1 way or the other. If we discuss "real" vampires and werewolves then it doesn't matter what metal the bullet is it will kill them. As for me personally I can't wear any metal that is not high quality silver or gold. Not only will my skin react to it it will attack the metal and damage it for example even if it is a high quality plating my skin will cause the plating to come off even on one guaranteed for a lifetime. The only other metal I can sometimes get away with wearing is stainless steel but it has to be someplace where there is body hair so there isn't complete skin to metal contact. For example i can't wear a watch that has a metal band but I have to wear one that has a metal back and that part has to be on the side of my wrist that has hair. The fact that I have to wear one with a metal back me be related to my problem with metals that are plated. If I wear a watch that has a plastic back it will quit working in a day or 2. The metal back puts the watch at the same level electrically as your body where a plastic back tries to insulate the watch. The reason I say the two are related is because most plating is done with electricity. I have been electrocuted several times and usually it barely phases me. 110v house current just tingles. I've hard 25,000 volts from a tv picture tube go across my heart that would have killed most people, that did more than just tingle. I'm not sure exactly if my body has a lot of electricity in it or it just handles electricity well. Some of that may play in your conductor theory all though they didn't know what electricity was then. If you look though at the things said to stop a vampire they would stop anyone. I like the one about the stake in the heart though you put the stake in the heart of a suspected vampire and he "dies" if you remove the stake and he stays dead he wasn't a vampire.

This is a very good point Wolfie.
But it can also bring up another point as to why silver...and gold,are considered pure.
Thanks,grest post.

lets stick to siver and or other metal in relation to the Vampire or werewolf tho.Not myth in general.
Thanks.

Why they keep saying it is hollywood,it is a myth because that is all they know about,they only saw hollywood movies and read novel.

one thing that has been said is that a silver cross only works on a vampire if it is held by someone that has faith in God, that it is actually the power of God working through that faith and not the metal or the item itself.