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Scarlett
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06:10:46 Nov 04 2004
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How do you think it all started?




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Both have very good and realistic arguements, however, I think I'll lean more toward Creationism. My reason: I think there was a higher power, not necessarily saying God, that created living beings.



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08:41:21 Nov 04 2004
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Maybe first living bactery was created. But everything else evolved.



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11:13:30 Nov 04 2004
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FUCK EVELUTION CREATIONISM ALL TE WAY



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14:46:09 Nov 04 2004
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well. THAT was a well thought out argument. *snort*

I have thought about this question a great deal over the years, and I cannot get beyond playing the devil's advocate to myself for both sides of the issue.

The only way I figure I am going to find the *definitive* answer is to die and see if i get to know then.



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14:46:10 Nov 04 2004
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god made us all!
or what?



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15:07:22 Nov 04 2004
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I have ta go with starting out as creation, then evolving into what we are today. The human, like other species, is highly adaptable it their surroundings, and on a personal note, Gemini's are more adaptable than most! 'Course we can be more 2-faced than mosr, too :-P



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15:46:04 Nov 04 2004
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I like to think we evolved (if it was a god he has a very twisted snse of humour)



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Mordes
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16:55:44 Nov 04 2004
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if we were created what were we created for?

personally I find the method besides the point the why of things is what bakes my noodle....



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I for one am of the mind that long long ago in a galaxy far far away some cosmic being, some creature of vast intellect and entity so in advance of ourselves as to render is naught but ants, sneezed into the deaths of space and that bugger landed on earth and became man. the end.



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17:27:02 Nov 04 2004
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creationism. matter can neither be created nor destroyed. god had to set it in motion.



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19:24:35 Nov 04 2004
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Evolution I suppose since I don't believe in God or any sort of God so I'd have to go with numero uno.



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19:44:03 Nov 04 2004
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I am open for an itellligent debate.

I don't believe in creationism, or other archiac religous crap.

I don't think we evolved from apes; some lower animal species are proven to have evolved in some measure, but not us.

I don't have an answer, but I love to hear theories.



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Mordes
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19:58:54 Nov 04 2004
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saint that's energy.... matter is easly destroyed and converted into other forms of matter or even (tho this is more difficult ) anti-matter.

Tho I know that isn't your point... your point being is that since energy can't be created or destroyed it must have been placed in the system by a divine being..... the problem with that supposition however is that it relys on a linear progression of time. Which at the sub-atomic level isn't nessarly true.



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20:03:26 Nov 04 2004
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god is nothing more than faith... people made god... they made a person act like god's son "jesus" so ppl would obey the laws. stop rebeling... and then what do you know the grovment walks in and takes our money



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Mordes
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20:15:14 Nov 04 2004
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Xuchilbara that's just as dismissive as people disregarding facts simply cause they aren't in the bible. The best that can be said from a scientific stand point is that there is no evidence to conclude that there is a god. That doesn't make it impossible it just means it's beyond our ability to know at the moment. Which does mean that any religion that currently exists has to be wrong by default... because they say they know god... and by how god is defined that is impossible. But just because every religion is wrong doesn't remove the possibility of there being a god. It just means that anyone who talks about god is full of shit.

*grins* and that includes me for this rant



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Scarlett
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05:01:33 Nov 05 2004
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I applaud those of you who have responded intelligently :) I love seeing that so many of my friends have brains that are functioning



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Indeed, I agree Scarlett. Although I follow the more metaphysical aspect of things, I'm delving into the scientific part of my brain as of now. I don't belive in God either. I think it's just an ancient scandal that has surpassed us over the years, and led the church to bamboozle even more money out of us. I could go on forever about how I despise the intention behind these highly religious groups.... But I shall leave it at that. I don't like the thought of this highly supreme being creating everything there is in this world. I think it is a crude lie that reaps the faith and hope out of innocent people. It disgusts me to no end really.



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05:21:24 Nov 05 2004
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Amen, sister!! *ha ha* religious term aside...

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05:24:09 Nov 05 2004
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haha Melody, I'm not one who hides her thoughts.. I only speak the truth for it is one of the only wonders of this world that we are all bestowed with, free speech.



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07:04:56 Nov 05 2004
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i belive in both actully cuz there is both scientific and relgous evidence to back ithem both up. soo im inbetween on this one



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14:07:45 Nov 05 2004
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ohhh what a fire cracker question Scar!

Excellent choice of subject.

But I have to admit... I'm torn on this one... my heart screams Creation, my head screams Evolution...

Ultimatly, the creation was for evolution, so i guess.... both are correct.



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04:04:27 Nov 06 2004
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I think the Big Bang is pretty on-track. A lot of people don't get it. I didn't until a few years ago...

There is something else to consider. Both evolution and creation can be valid. God could have created the elements under which life evolved.. IE, God allowed us to evolve or created us to evolve. No creationist can intelligently argue against that argument.



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04:22:11 Nov 06 2004
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I found this and thought it would fit into this forum.

What is creationism? Creationism is the idea that all forms of life, and particularly humans, were independently created by a willful act on the part of a deity or superpowerful entity.

What's wrong with creationism? That depends on what form of creationism you're talking about. There are several forms of creationism, all different. None are really scientific, though not all are unscientific to the same degree.

Old Earth creationism holds that Earth was created a very long time ago, and populated with life more or less as shown in the fossil record. However, new species of organisms were created one by one over all that time, each the result of a separate creative act by the Deity. This position is a perfectly viable way to reconcile the Bible with the rock record. But it's not scientific, because it can't be falsified. Any evidence can be made to fit into it.

Sequential creationism says that Earth is old, and the major groups of fossils do reflect organisms living at different times in Earth's history. However, the major mass extinctions represent times when all living things were destroyed, and then the Earth was repopulated by a new creative act. The last extinction happened recently, after which the current animals -- and humans -- were created. Again, this is a viable way to reconcile science and the Bible -- but it isn't scientific either. Sequential creationism simply doesn't agree with the evidence. None of the mass extinctions wiped out all life. In many cases, we find the same species of organisms both before and after the extinctions.

Day-age creationism says that the Book of Genesis is accurate in describing the order of Creation, but that each "day" in Genesis actually represents a long period of real time. This position also runs afoul of the evidence, primarily because the order of creation as given in Genesis doesn't agree with the order as shown in the fossil record.

A very widely-held view is the one called theistic evolution. This position boils down to "God Created, and evolution is the way He did it." The theistic evolutionist says that evolution has occurred as shown in the fossil record and in modern organisms, but that God has guided the evolutionary process to make it come out the way He wanted. In particular, humans evolved from ancestral apes, but at a particular point in time God picked two or a few humans and gave them minds and souls, thus making them more than animals. Theistic evolution is the most science-friendly version of creationism, so much so that I often don't consider it creationism at all. Theistic evolutionists accept all the scientific evidence for evolution; they just put a somewhat different interpretation on it.

Old-Earth, day-age, gap theory, theistic evolution -- all these are simply different interpretations of the known geologic and fossil evidence -- difficult to defend, perhaps, but no more so than many other hypotheses. The remaining forms of creationism are much less pleasant: Young-Earth creationism and Intelligent Design creationism. While these two movements call themselves by different names and claim to have different agendas, behind the scenes they are connected, sharing common goals and a truly disgusting disregard for scientific fact and honest, open discussions.

Young-Earth Creationism (YEC) is the position that most of the politically active "creationists" hold. Young-Earth Creationists demand a literal reading of Genesis. They insist that Earth is less than ten thousand years old; that it and all life were created in just six twenty-four-hour days; and that the entire fossil record is a result of Noah's Flood. They claim to have "scientific evidence" for this, but in fact their "evidence" consists partly of mistakes, partly of misinterpretations, partly of old stories now known to be wrong, and partly of outright lies. YECs routinely lie about the scientific evidence, both that for evolution and that against YECism, and don't even see anything wrong with their blatant dishonesty.



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05:05:11 Nov 06 2004
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wow dark thats awesome



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06:49:37 Nov 06 2004
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ohh for crying out loud DA, do you always have to show off?

*mwuah* hehehe



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...creationism. yeah.



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15:40:28 Nov 16 2004
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Hey I just come across these things when I surf or have them in books around the apartment. Its just something to think about.



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I feal we wer created to evolve.



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god



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07:16:44 Nov 20 2004
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I am all for Creationism, when of course, one goes beyond the simple literal interpertations from the Bible on the subject.



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