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I am curious to find out everyone's beliefs of the number 666.

" The number 666 comes directly from the worship practices of the city of Babylon about the time of the Bible prophet Daniel. The people of Babylon worshiped gods that were associated with the sun, moon, visible planets of our solar system, and certain of the stars involved with the practice of astrology. The Babylonians were the principle developers of astrology, as we know it today. In their worship system, they had 37 supreme gods, and one of these, the god associated with the sun, was supreme over all the other gods. These people believed that numbers in some way had power over the gods they worshiped. However, they had to create numbers that they could assign to the gods so that they could have power over them. To do this, they counted their gods and assigned a count number to each of the 36 lesser supreme gods, and then added up all of these numbers (from one to 36) and assigned the sum to the sun god. The first god they counted got the number one assigned to it, and the second god they counted got the number two assigned to it, and so on up to all 36 lesser supreme gods. Now, if you have not guessed it by now, the sum of the numbers from one to 36 totals 666, which they assigned to the god associated with the sun. They did the calculation like this:

1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 + 11 + 12
+ 13 + 14 + 15 + 16 + 17 + 18 + 19 + 20 + 21 + 22
+ 23 + 24 + 25 + 26 + 27 + 28 + 29 + 30 + 31 + 32
+ 33 + 34 + 35 + 36 = 666"


the above was taken from
http://www.666man.net/666religionhistoryoverview.html

666 just sounds evil. With all of the Omen movies, it works for me.

People tend to believe a number of things which are devoid of even the slightest of credible evidence. I think this can be counted among them. And is usually the case, the belief fails to provide any credible link to reality.

Numbers are tools. They're symbols to represent quantities and the interaction of these numbers can be of assistance in building models which may mimic reality. But numbers are still just man-made symbols and reality remains reality.

The number 666 is a symbolic representation of a given quantity utilizing the decimal number base. That same number can be represented as 1010011010 in binary or 29A in hexadecimal. The value remains the same as do at least some of the symbols. The only thing that changes is the rationale behind the symbolism and even that retains a consistent pattern.

The idea that 666 is an evil number comes from the book of revelations in the bible. In revelations it says something to the effect that 666 is the number and the mark of the beast and that at some point in the end times if you don't receive this mark on your hand or forehead you will not be able to buy or sell anything. It also says that if you do receive it you will be subject to the wrath of God. There are an endless number of theories on exactly what all that means.

not to copycat who was before me but it is said to be the number of the "antichrist" by the christian beliefs and that on the head of the antichrist this # will be tattoed on his head and he will be known by it according to revelations

o.k. here we go revelations 14:17, 18

and that no man might buy or sell, save that he had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.




Here is Wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast; for it is the number of a man;and his number is six hundred threescore six.

King James Version of the holy bible

To which I would respond; is there any evidence that the number is evil or even represents evil?

Writing something down doesn't make it so.

ah but you can't prove it isn't either. Any way it's not so much that the number is evil just that it is supposed to be the mark of the beast and it's the beast that is evil. It's from what is supposed to be a prophecy there is no way to prove or disprove it until either it happens and comes true or time ends and it doesn't happen.

the problem with revelation is it's symbolic and most people take it literally.
i don't believe the number is any more evil than 13 is unlucky

but what it really comes down to is how people perceive it.
if you believe it's evil it is
if you believe you will have bad luck on friday the thirteenth you will.
or at least you will think your luck is worse.

numbers are numbers it's what people associate them with that makes them evil, unlucky, lucky or even sexual

I think before everyone gets carried away with revelations ... the most important part is Let him that hath understanding ... there is something else to understand, it is not as simple to say "it's 666, it's the beast!"

Even so the number itself, in my humble opinion, is not evil, it is simply supposed to be a number that is supposed to eventually mark the 'beast'

mysticalchild...it's nice to actually see some measure of intellect still functioning within the forums...thanks

One of the problems with attempting to show that anything is good or evil is that good and evil are perspectives, not absolutes.

In Nazi Germany, it was evil to harbor a Jewish family and good to assist the authorities in rounding them up for the concentration camps (death camps). And while we readily see this as evil, even the Pope and the Catholic Church loudly voiced their support of Hitler's agenda, as did the majority of the German population -- even many of the most devoutly religious members.

Watch a Disney movie about a young cougar mother attempting to feed her cub and you don't feel bad about her taking a weak and sickly fawn to prevent her young cub from starving. Tune in the very next week and you may well see a story of a mother deer attempting to protect her young fawn from a vicious cougar attack and you'll be cheering for the deer.

It's perspective, not absolute.

But unless you can offer some evidence that there is anything malevolent about the number 666, or even significantly different than any other number, then to assert that any such difference exists is to insist blindly and without support.

People tend to go by what the movies & tv shows portray that number to be. But, in my opinion it is just another number.

We have been taught that it is evil, so thats what we believe. But we have no prove one way or the other

I think there is no proof that number is evil. To pagans it is not an evil number simply because we don't believe in satan. It is a christian concept.

As shown the babylonians believed it to be a sacred number for the gods. Not evil at all.

I think it is just something drummed into us to instill fear and make us behave.

666=18=9=3=1

i do not think it is evil but i do believe the negative aspect does come from secular religion beliefs and of course folklore

Like most things it is not the item, symbol or object that holds good or evil, it is the belief and faith you give that lets anything have power.

o.k. well allow me say also that i do not believe the number is evil i was simply stating what the holy bible says about it.

I would suggest that one unverified statement holds no more authority than any other unverified statement. As there seems to be no indication that the number is evil (aside from unverified assertions), it mustn't be evil.

my belif is ther number 666 can be both good or evil it depends on the way people look at it and there perseption of it.

but since we basically see upsidedown and backwards could not the number be then 999

Seems like a lot of it has a lot to do with a persons religious beliefs. Personally when i was going to church it bothered me slightly, but after stopping, figuring out my own "beliefs" it doesn't bother me anymore. It just seemed pointless to put meaning or faith in something that is just written down without any real backing...

As others have said so far, it's just another number with no real meaning or emphasis unless you give it to the number or object.

perhaps im nitpicking here, but wouldnt the original have used the number DCLXVI ?

guess i would seem odd to have a little boy with DCLXVI tattooed on his scalp eh?

LordWolf, I think it would be Greek not roman

so χξϛʹ (in numbers) or ἑξακόσιοι ἑξήκοντα ἕξ, hexakósioi hexēkonta héx, (in words)

the good folk at that time used numbers to represent people who they couldn't name for fear of revenge attacks, some people think 666 represented Nero

I'm sure 666 could be evil.
I'm also sure 111 could be evil.

But that's not to say that everything that is in the quantity of 666, has 666 on it, etc. is evil. I think it's really just the evil BEHIND the number, not the evil OF the number.

To me, 666 is just a number. For people who are brainwashed by organized religion, they believe it is pure evil, on the same note, they also believe the number 7 is lucky. The number 6 has always been my lucky number.

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True and those that rebel against established religion readily take up the "evil" number out of simple smite. Rubbing in how "evil" they are.

How about 666 to the 666 power.. whooooo now that is just down low EVIL..

Evil comes from a person a number doesnt show anything i think its just a symbol for it.

666 The number of the beast

This strange text has puzzled the theological mind for centuries, yet if you will take the trouble to add 666 together you will get 18, and I plus 8 gives you the figure 9, which in turn represents the 9 Planets of our Solar System, the 9 numbers upon which man builds all his calculations, and beyond which he cannot go except by continual repetition of the numbers I to 9.

"6 6 6" producing its" spirit number" (as explained in the preceding page) of 9 is therefore, in all truth as Revelation states, "the number of man."

The hidden meaning of this number is one of the greatest secrets of occultism, and has been concealed in a thousand ways, just as the cryptic text in Revelation has hidden it for centuries from the minds of Theologians.

The number 9 representing man and everything to do with the physical and material plane, is the number of force, energy, destruction and war in its most dominant quality. In its relation to ordinary life it denotes energy, ambition, leadership, domination. It represents iron, the metal from which the weapons of warfare are made, and the Planet Mars which it stands for in Astrology is the Ruler of the Zodiacal Sign Aries which is the Sign of the Zodiac which governs England. This symbolism was evidently well known by Shakespeare when he wrote" England, thou seat of Mars."

The number 9 is an emblem of matter that can never be destroyed, so the number 9 when multiplied by any number
always reproduces itself, no matter what the extent of the number is that has been employed.

The Novendiale was a fast in the Roman Catholic Church to avert calamities, and from this came the Roman Catholic system of Neuvaines.

In Freemasonry there is an Order of "Nine Elected Knights," and in the working of this Order 9 roses, 9 lights and 9 knocks must be used.

All ancient races encouraged a fear of the number 9, and all its multiples.

The number 9 is considered a fortunate number to be born under, provided the man or woman does not ask for a peaceful or monotonous life, and can control their nature in not making enemies.

i found this under free numerology.org

also it might be of interest that my phone number is 6666 "i tell people it is because i am one worse then the devil but this works out to the number 5

awesome post
I must say I believe the number is evil
if you give it the evil title.
I mean look at the number 13.
Is a think about belief and faith
Me myself
I am obsessed with it
I see it everywhere

are you a Family guy fan?
chekk out all the male characters
have chest hairs in the shape
of 666

thanks for the post
very interesting

not evil, per se. I think the Bible mentions that 666 is a "human" number, not something supernaturual. Thus, it's a mark of evil.

well i got this wierd e-mail years ago and dismissed it.
bill gates or william __ gates name equals 666 and www is roman equivalent to 666 and that when dos was put out the 6 line down the 6 space over and something opened a secret game and when and if you beat it bill gates was standing at the end screaming he was the anti - christ and i never personally tried it but some friends claimed it was true. and we ue a mouse and the monitor is in our face and we buy and sell items with it ... most of us cant live with out our computers ... and some say this is the mark of the beast that the bibal speaks of .

but if this mark is on the head of a child at birth um sence we normally come head first into this world the number in fact should be 999

never ha any bad exp with the number and its all talk so i believe but i do think it is kinda nifty to do the adding 1-36 trick well it does equal 666 so just a number may be but it is around us

well i think that everyone thinks that is a evil number so in some ways we make it evil our self by our belife in it

yes it is evil

but many cultures assign certain qualities to specific numbers. probably much like the mythology of cultures explains the change of seasons, life, death, the setting sun....in our efforts to explain all that we could not understand, we have invented a plethera of explaniations and blame numbers or dragons or gnomes for the outcome that in the end, is probably random anyway.

a number cant hold sway over good or evil it all depends on the person who looks at it. for each person has different views on the balance of good and evil

the number 666 is taken from the bible, said to be the number of the beast. it was found however in 2005 to be a miss-translation, the number of the beast according to the bible is 616

Evil or not? I don't really know. But biblically speaking; a man will be born from incest. He will be pure evil (supposed son of satan) he will eventually rule the world and be responsible for the devestation of the worls and all of the people on it. He will bare a mark on his body, a combination of 3 6's in a cluster. It states this in the book of Mathew. King James version of the bible.

Let's break it down. The Bible was originally translated by 45 scholars whom worked for King James. It was translated to reflect the Episcopal faith completely. The thing is....the bible was originally written in ancient hebrew! So would it be 666 exactly???

I think that the number 666 revolves more so around the belief that a person has or a superstition that a person has. I personly feel that its just another number. If the number 666 is evil then what would its counterpart be the number of good is what I mean to say. As always with anything for evil to exist there would have to be a good side to it as well.

Well, if one looks to the same source the counter-part might be considered to be 777, though that doesn't seem to be a very lucky number for subway trains.

Then there is the tongue-in-cheek conclusion...

"333; number of the semi-Christ." ;-)

But I agree with you. Numbers are simply a tool to represent quantities and the interactions among them help us to design rough models of relationships in reality. They're neither good nor evil. But people like to apply all kinds of superstitions to numbers, colors, times of day, animals and events, actions and coincidence without any apparent need for a basis in reality.

I think the real evil number is 555, because simply because It hides in plain sight, If there was a devil, or licifer, I think he would be sneaky and Pick 555, or even 42, probably not 42, but heh its funny

But think about it, 5 is a more commonly used number, and evil Is supposably everywhere, so is the number 5, 6 is not around so much because of its noteriety...

It is how you perceive the number to be. Those who believe, seek justification of the evilness and look for signs to make the numbers evil. Those who do not believe, seek justification of the non-existance of evilness and look for proof it is not evil.

The Apocalypse has never been before certain groups got ahold of it cannon to any religion...that came much later and it got renamed in another language. Same word just different language. They didn't know a lot of things in the past about it and it has always been considered dubious in nature. I know it has parts in it that come right from Mythric writings word for word. It was a book of codes that Josephus used and other nome de plumes he had. It was something they used symbolically to pass on information so the Romans would not know that was taken literally which is what they expected, to mean something else. It is an alpha/numeric way to send messages about things within a writing that looked to be very in keeping with other writings of the time but they know this one is older than most and it is full of things written here, written there. 666 is a Palindrome and it has been used many ways. Certain numbers in and of themselves have meanings behind them and because of it they were used to represent something but it wasn't doomsday or any anti anything...its a misconception of what it was all about and if it had been left as apocraphal which it was in the first place and thought to be pseudoapocrapha in the first place with a ? mark enough to put it at the end of an original Bible there wouldn't be so many scared people around spouting things that have nothing to do with what the original intention was. Not saying anything more as numbers and letters have been used for meaning since way back in most cultures in the area including Babylon. They just happen to initiate many things that down the course of history get skewed.

A number can't be evil...its the significance that man places on the number that can be viewed if you want to go there as evil.

well to me it is all just numbers to me I mean what does 9 - 11 mean that 911 is a bad number now even though we use it for emergencies and then we were also hit and bombed by terrorist on a day with the same numbers in it? I think it is just what people want to believe or how much belief they put into the numbers...

13 is supposely a bad number 2012 etc etc so I feel if you want it to be evil then well it will be cause you believe it to be so, just my opinion

qwell i think any number can be asspciated as being evil my lucky number is 13 and ost people think of that as bad luck

honestly do I? No I dont think 666 is really evil... It's just a number... and even if it associated with evil like the number 13, it doesnt mean it is... :)

i think its the misconception,the myth and the history behind the number that makes most people afraid of it.

I really don't believe 666 to be evil.... I think its just superstition passed on threw generations...

I don't believe this nmber is evil, bt we have taught to believe it is. 666 is just a number and numbers have linked to many different things.

Take 13 for example - this is meant to be unlucky and evil why, because the Templars were arrested on friday the 13th of october in the 1300s. Also 13 is normally associated with withces and covens, this is because 13 people is the max number that one person can easily monitor (to prove this point, let me say that my company had a reshuffle last year and we from teams of upto 40 people to a max size of ......13).

Also the number 23 has been linked with many things in the pass such as the murder of Ceasar, the Titanic sinking, Hitler the list is endless.

I feel people should be left to make their own minds up about things, not be told what to think by places like schools and more importantly the church.

lordXofXwar:

it isn't superstitions at all. It originitated in the great bible of Europe. Translated by 45 scholars that worked for King James to replicate the Episcopal faith. Then turned into King James version of the bible which is the most popular form in use in the English speaking world. The book of Mathew states that the anti christ (man whom will be responsible for the destruction of the world) will carry the mark of the devil. A cluster of three 6's somewhere on his body. Whether it's true or not is most certainly questionable. But it most certainly did not derive from superstition.

A superstition is roughly;

A belief that an object, action, or circumstance not logically related to a course of events influences its outcome.

Applying the label "religion" or "spirituality" or "sacred" doesn't alter the adherence to the criteria.

So whether a book is dedicated to a concept, whether it has other labels applied and whether or not one gives it other names or sacred status; that which attempts to tie any object, action or circumstance to an event or course of events which are not logically related to those events is a superstition.

And as that there is no evidence and no logical mechanism by which the number 666 can be linked to evil, the concept that it's evil is just a superstition.

Any number is evil when it's shown to be evil, not when it is claimed to be evil. And so far, no one has provided any hard evidence that 666 or any other number is evil. Therefore, the idea that it is an evil number or a number properly linked to evil is just superstition.

Main Entry: su·per·sti·tion
Pronunciation: ˌsü-pər-ˈsti-shən
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English supersticion, from Anglo-French, from Latin superstition-, superstitio, from superstit-, superstes standing over (as witness or survivor), from super- + stare to stand — more at stand
Date: 13th century
1 a: a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation b: an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition
2: a notion maintained despite evidence to the contrary

thanks: www.m-w.com

When it comes to the Christian and Catholic faith, this is not an irrational thought. Whether this is a superstition can not be more than pure oppinion. Especially cinsidering that literally billions of people believe this to be true. The word "superstition does not tie in with whether or not 666 is evil and/or it's origins. ;)

Oh and you have that wrong. NO WHERE in the bible does it state thatthis number is evil or represents evil, it clearly states that the anti Christ will bare a birthmark resembling three 6's. ;) The number itself is not evil, the person who bares this birthmark is.

666 is just a number...there's no evil attached to it, and no devil is going to come out when you yell it. Just a number, like the number 23 or 7 or even 1325.

Exactly! it is not the number itself that is evil! It is the supposed birthmark of the anti christ nothing more! It's only evil if a man is born to incest, bares that mark, and achieves world domination resulting in 90% of the world starving to death....

It is a number get over it. Why do people promote a belief system they are not even subscribed to? I notice that those that turn against religion sure have a tendency to adopt the "dark" aspects of that religion, for there empasis. Whooo 666 is evil, embrace the number.. "We hate Christians, lets embody all the ugly ideas they created..."

I don't hate Christians Dabbler. I don'thate anyone for any faith they may have. it isn't my business what people choose to believe. Let them have it it's their American right. But, I was raised STRICT baptist/non-denominational so I do however know the King James bible inside and out. Do I buy any of it? Of course not. But I don't redicule and/or persecute those that do. I have my own oppinions and beliefs. I keep em to myself so long as they do the same. And yes...I agree. It is just a number nothing more nothing evil about it. Read my previous post for the history behind it.

for people who believe in this numbe as evil it is but for those of us who rerally dont care it's just a number.

Personally I don't think its evil....to me its just another number.

Your opinion is adopted, it is also without support. What separates 666 from being a superstition? A superstition with a religious anchor?

You may not subscribe to the Bible, or the belief. Yet you question those that disregard it for the Myth it is based on.. I find that to be counter productive.

Your opinion is adopted, it is also without support. What separates 666 from being a superstition? A superstition with a religious anchor?

Adopted? Superstion to me means a black cat crossing ones path being unlucky. broken mirror (ETC)

You may not subscribe to the Bible, or the belief. Yet you question those that disregard it for the Myth it is based on.. I find that to be counter productive.

Um no I didn't. I clearly stated that superstition was the wrong word....have you ever met a person whom is afraid of this number? I most certainly have not. Therefore if it is a superstition, it's a rare one.

I do know people that have a non-religious based fear of the number 666.

oh dear....tell them to take a pill. It's no more evil then the number 342 or any other number for that matter lol. People get the strangest ideas

I did notstate that I believed it beast. I stated it's origins. Most people here aren't familiar with the bible. And....that i in fact where it came from

Where it came from, and where it went, and how it became a catch phrase for The Beast. How much has been invested into such a thing? How many scolarly research has been done on the topic? All rehash.

So what I am getting at is, why buy the hype, and "debate" a fictional number, or anything that arises from it. the thread asked a question, beast and I answered. Why press our answers so?

Well no not really Dabbler. Not all rehash considering this was also written in the "great bible" which is the European bible. originally in Hebrew. very rarely used anymore. It is where all of the English bibles were translated from. But yes...most of the original scriptures were altered and changed due to translation. And scholars changing meanings purposely because they did not agree with them. Which is why I don't believe in the bible.

Now is this true? Will the son of Satan be born with this mark and dominate the world? I honestly can not say. I don't believe it at all but who am I to say what is right and wrong?

You are on the fence then?

From where the idea came has nothing to do with whether or not the idea qualifies as a superstition. The idea is not based in reason, and has no demonstrable link to reality. It is thusly, a superstition.

As to your assertion that people here don't know the Bible, I would suggest that some do and some do not. I'm not sure how that enters into the topic.

Actually that is a mistranslation... It is supposed to be 6 to the power of 6, to the power of 6 again. which is:

1.0314424798490536e+28 Some numerologists believe that this is the "number of the beast" or the exact number of the person who will be the antichrist, though they disagree if that is including all the people who have ever lived or wheter there must be that number of people living on the planet.


I think numbers can be manipulated to mean whatever you want them to mean and that numerologists have too much time on thier hands and need to go meet more women.

No I believe what I believe, but I have no right to say what is right and what is wrong. it isn't my place. "I know one thing for sure in life and that's the fact I know nothing." Which is why I'm not judgemental religious folks. If they are right they're right. If they are wrong oh well! Why try and prove them wrong? It doesn't affect you what they do in church. If they don't bother you don't bother them. Why care what other people think and believe? that is my perspective if these situations

beast I said most, not all. Read closer there doll. And as dabbler said....why do you care? Why is it a big deal? OK it's a superstion. do you feel any better that I am humouring you? Has it changed anything? No of course not. So why fret over it?

I'm not your "doll" or a "doll". Okay?

You can humor me or not. It changes nothing. It's a superstition as has been adequately demonstrated.

mhm...look at the definition of superstition. To fear the number is superstitious yes indeed. But where it derived from is not. we both win =)

I would suggest that if you look at the definition of "superstition" you will see first that origin is not a criteria for superstition and secondly, that fear is not a criteria for superstition. One need not fear anything to hold a belief which qualifies as a superstition.

And as the topic is whether or not the number 666 is evil, the question has been answered, though not to any unanimous conclusion -- it is not evil.

People that subscribe to the belief. They are likely to belief it as it is presented. Then there are the Agnostics, who study for the conclusive academic connection. Like Rasta Say.. They need that, when they are missing the finer things (actual things).

i dont think that is truely relevant
its just a number

What one believes is not what determines what is. People might believe the number is evil, but the number will remain as innocuous as ever.

And while some people do hold superstitions which cause them fear, one can hold any superstition without fear as a factor. Fear is not a necessary component of any superstition. Irrationality is.

Some superstitions are even set-up for preservation. Like "Knock on Wood."

I grew up in a very reglious home. if you even mentioned the number 666 you would in turn recieve a sermon on how evil it is.
in my opinion i don't think it's evil.it's just another number.

As was previously stated the number its self is not evil,but the person with number marked upon them. Say that 666 is evil is like saying the name Adolf or Mao is evil. Neither of these name are evil, but the most famous people from history to have these names have done some very evil things in there lifetimes and then ttied to justify their actions as being 'for the greater good'.

Was Anton Levy evil or did just realise that the bible contradicted its self so many times that he wrote a different version with the contradictions in.

Is a solider evil because he kills a person in the line of his duty to save lives of his friends and himself - no he isn't.

Is the AIDS virus evil no it isn't, it is just trying to exist the as we are trying to exist.

Evil is a term that banded to much, but not really understood.

Evil is a concept created to scare those that chose to avoid the doctrine of the church, by degree Evil became an umbrella word. Once something is branded Evil it is sent to be dealt with by "gods" or in Holy Realms. So Evil is a simple way to remove society from solving Defective/degenerate actions from our list of responsibilities.

Sure it is evil! 666 means three bellied over weight men doing each other in the a$$ at the same time, though I am not sure how that can be possible because over weight men with fat bellies are not in a position to clearly see their organs of procreation. As well I am not exactly sure what are the first man, and the last man doing, because the first man seems to be free of action, but he is getting it instead, and the last man is not getting any action, but is giving it instead. I assume their meaning is not of boredom, but it signifies a incomplete circle of fulfillment , a loose end in the first man, and a state of unfulfillment in the last man, which is about to be closed toward its completion, once they drink alcohol, then the first bellied man will come from behind the last bellied man, and give him what he is missing, completing the incomplete, and suggesting the perfection in unity, and mutual benefit, a full circle. You get the picture. I am quite sure that the middle overweight bellied man is not a question during no time, since he certainly enjoys a well fixated place, of stability, and fulfillment, where he is receiving willingly, but at the same time, he is giving freely to another fellow as well. This signifies balance in action, and the position of the number 6 which finds its position in the middle of these three, is an ideal example. That is my analogy at least. Then again, there might be that there is a serious deep whole in my concept, or few even. If we take the current 666 option correct, are the overweight big belly men 1 and 3, really missing something in essence? Perhaps this is exactly how they wanted to be? In any case it is safe to assume that if there is not higher sense present in their acts, then, it possibly they do act simply out of the rule, and which is, who comes first, gets to lead. All in one, am not exactly sure, which overweight big belly man is leading here exactly, last one, or the first one? I would suggest they loose weight and turn them selves in sevens. At least, if nothing else, they would seem like followers. But I am sure they do make their own sense, the way they are, what ever they meant that they are doing. But thats a totally different story for another time.

Good point Dabbler, how easy it to put a label on something and put with other things. Take for example the two nuclear bombs dropped during WWII, that makes the States as evil the Axis nations, but it is not seen that way why? because as we all know history and therefore somes fact are written by the victors.

But back to the subject of the thread, how can a number be evil? It can't. Because it is just a number it no control over how people see it, it has voice to agrue it's case.

It is a number people nothing more, nothing less.

If I was to start saying that for example 911 or 112 was evil and it was believed by an awful lot of people would you still dial the number in an emergancy or would you be scared of the repercussions and that you will damned to the end of time?

666 is just a number to me, its not evil but thanks to certain books and films namely the omen people think its evil.
evil is in the hearts of humanity its a part of life while numbers are just manmade

I've got it in a few of my tatts . I honestly don't see it as evil --- I wear them as such because of the way people preceive them ----- The real number is 9 !

Numbers and math was created by man, thus 666 was also created by man... I don't see how people get 666 as being evil...... Its just a method of keeping people in line and making a profit..... Just my personal opinion again..

i dont think 666 is really evil. i agree with the first poster. it just sounds evil.

VIVIVI Vivivi is EVIL so What is is EVIL Roman Numeral for?

But that does make you evil Juno, also 333 has ties to being evil.


666 is just a number it is not evil.

Of course it is not evil . It is a number and no more no less . No different than the number 13 or the number 7 . It is used (in my eyes) as symbolism when a name would have led to a death sentance . It came about in letters written by a John , which became revelations . John the author of the book of revelations . The letter delt with the evil and atrocities being done by the Romans and the current ruler of Rome . If he wouldn't have been cryptic , he would have been killed .
And no I do not believe the book of revelations has anything to do with prophecy of our future . It served it's purpose way back when it was written .

Im sure if you were Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobic, the number 666 would seem evil....but I beleive it's just a number and doesnt evoke evilness or promote it. I think it's just like anything else of that sort, it has only the power you beleive it to have.

Way cool word...

yah huge props on that phobia. very nice.

talk about big words, I was lost after the first 10 letters lol.

But still the number is not evil.

bah...it's a number...
numbers aren't evil, people are evil...
it seems as arbitrary to me as any other number...I mean pick a number - I'm sure you can find some symbolic reference to that number in SOME form in some writing over the course of hundreds of years...
so...666 or 13 or 27 ....whatever...

For centuries, people have been intrigued by the number 666, the "number of the beast" from the Book of Revelation in the New Testament.

Not only is it mentioned in the Bible, it has been associated with the Satanism, universal price codes and the game of roulette, as the numbers on the wheel add up to 666.

Now, the legendary number is getting a fresh look, as researchers are re-examining evidence the number may actually be 616.


Fragment from Book of Revelation mentions 616 in the third line – chi, iota, sigma (courtesy Egypt Exploration Society)

In the King James Version of the Bible, the well-known verse of Revelation 13:18 reads:

"Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

While many Bible have footnotes saying the number translated from the original Greek could be 616, experts say new photographic evidence of an ancient fragment of papyrus from Revelation indeed indicates the number is indeed 616, instead of 666.

Scholars in England have been using modern technology to scour some 400,000 bits of papyri which were originally discovered in 1895 at a dump outside the ancient Egyptian city of Oxyrhynchus. Many of the sections have been damaged and discolored, but an imaging process is shedding new light on the sacred text, believed to have originally been penned by John, one of Jesus' 12 apostles.

"This is a very nice piece to find," Ellen Aitken, a professor of early Christian history at McGill University, told Canada's National Post. "Scholars have argued for a long time over this, and it now seems that 616 was the original number of the beast."

The papyrus in the spotlight is believed to be from about 300 A.D.

"This is very early confirmation of that number, earlier than any other text we've found of that passage," Aitken said. "It's probably about 100 years before any other version."

The main researcher promoting the 616 claim is David Parker, professor of New Testament Textual Criticism and Paleography at the University of Birmingham in England.

"This is an example of gematria, where numbers are based on the numerical values of letters in people's names," Parker told the UK's Independent. "Early Christians would use numbers to hide the identity of people who they were attacking: 616 refers to the Emperor Caligula."

Many commentators have gone with later copies of text which assign the number 666 to "the beast," believed by some to be the End-time world power.

Some have also linked 666 with Nero, the ancient Roman emperor known for persecuting Christians.

Parker points out the possibility of 616 was considered by the second century church father Irenaeus, who rejected it.

Regarding this new text, Parker told Britain's Church Times, "This adds weight to those who believe that it is a reference to Caligula's attempt to desecrate the Temple in Jerusalem, by having his statue erected there as part of the cult of emperor worship.

"There may be a reference to it in Mark [13:14], where he refers to the 'the abomination of desolation.' But this was overlaid by the Neronian persecutions. People believed that you could get from '666' to Nero because in Greek he is the emperor Neron Caesar. And 666 is one number less than the perfect 777. The text [showing 616] is quite legible to the naked eye. It was published in 1999, but it has taken people time to catch up."

The National Post quotes Elijah Dan, professor of philosophy and religion at the University of Toronto, as saying the new number won't likely have an impact in the popularity of 666.

"Otherwise, a lot of sermons would have to be changed and a lot of movies rewritten," he said with a laugh. "There's always someone with an active imagination who can put another interpretation on it. It just shows you that when you study something as cryptic and mystic as the Book of Revelation there's an almost unlimited number of interpretations."


sorry satanist :P

Nope, not evil. In fact, as it may have been stated, it wasn't actually 666 that they meant. I can't recall at the moment what it was.

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