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does real anticonformist really do exist?
or is it just conformism to something else than the main stream?




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"Anticonformism is a philosophy which actively rejects conformism. Anticonformists are not merely individualists, but believe that conformity is responsible for many of the world's ills. Anticonformists usually equate the pressure to conform to social norms with a sort of cultural bigotry, and therefore champion a free-spirited individualism that attempts to rid itself of all vestiges of socially-based desires and characteristics."

Just thought I'd pop a quick desription of what is truly meant by anticonformism, as the term can be slightly daunting.

In everyday life society weaves an intricate web of rules and expectations within the social, ethical and moral dynamics we live in. If we observe society around us, then it can be seen everywhere, right down to the smallest detail (for example, I am in a quiet public computer lab, so I automatically turned my mobile off and refrained from speaking) this is because we are conditioned to do so. We see everyday those of us who try to 'rebel' against conformity, and I remember when I was about four years younger I rebelled against school dress code and musical mainstream to be different....

Just like EVERYONE else

This was not a conscious revelation, but those who are minorities or attmpt to be so unwittingly join communities, and there are very few, if not nothing which hasn't already been done before. We may be anticonformist in spirit, however we still conform, even if it ot the idea of 'I want to be diffrent' or 'I want to express myself in a way completely individual to me.'

I enjoy being individual in myself. But so does everyone else. Is it not ignorant to deny that factor in human nature?


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You don't need to be an anticonformist to think for yourself, make your own decisions, and be true to yourself and the world. That's part of living. True some people choose not to really think for themselves. it seems sometimes people don't trust themselves and are taught or just feel afriad.
I knew a group of anarchists/noncomformists who formed a pack and named themselves a leader. It was depressing...And I told them so. They promptly chased me away...Stupid people..why god why.



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Hanzi13
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Is it just me or are there too many diferrent kinds of -isms?



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*places tongue firmly in cheek*

No. We need MORE -isms. Like meats on sticks. There need to be more kinds of meats on sticks. Kebabs rock.



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Echo
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LOL Hanzi13, I think you have a point.

I agree with Morrigon. We do have the ability of free speech, however are own sence of logic forms its own conformity within anticonformity, dont you think?



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10:07:31 Mar 18 2005
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i agree with echo on this one



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10:14:51 Mar 18 2005
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wow ,,,,how deep ...i agree echo



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well I think that if one conciously thinks over which rules one will accept and which ones one will not accept that one in the end turns out ok.....

the trick being is that you arn't conditioned in that case but your actively choosing according to your own best interest. Now mind a lot of this can be reduced into most rules are there for the benifit of all.

But I still eat on the bus even tho there are big signs saying that I will choke and go directly to the 325th layer of hell (the layer of sloppy eaters whom choked to death while vilolating a city ordinance).



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When it comes down to it, we are all the same. You can't escape it, hah! Especially people to try and be different, they all end up being the same as eachother. Always remember that you are unique, just like everyone else.



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14:32:46 Mar 18 2005
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we all the same yet completely different anyway so jus roll with it



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Echo
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16:05:16 Mar 18 2005
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Nice way to put it Chaos :-)



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adhereing to a rule just because it is a rule is conformity for me
if i find use in it then i may adhere to it like glue or use it as a lawn ornament when it suits my disires
the rest of the time if it is silly i just ignore it
does that me i am an anti conformist no
yes no
hell we are atlleast most speaking english i see
that is conformity



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06:11:26 Mar 30 2005
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anticonformism if you think about it we all conform to something whether we know it or not or even try to.



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I'm an anticonformist.....just like all my friends......just ask mordes....he's an anticonformist too....just like all our friends....
and so on....and so on..



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10:55:14 Mar 30 2005
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darn it mslefaye you said the exact point i was going to use



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hmm... my personal opinion is that if you can still somehow pinpoint and define it in an amount of people, then it's still a form of conformism, even if it's meant to be the exact opposite. personally i believe in balance... go along with the stuff that's to your advantage and fuck everything else ;)



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15:18:01 Mar 30 2005
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totally the subject of the thread daermon!
how can one b an anticonformist if ALL friends r the same?



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Thera
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18:00:30 Mar 30 2005
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I agree with Echo!



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You all have excellent points. I personally think that the only way to be an anticonformist is to do whatever the heck you want, whenever you want, despite the rules, despite society, despite the consequences, and most importantly, despite your friends. These people do exist, but are either in prison, dead, or totally famous for being what society calls "jerks".

Perfect example: Tom Green



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19:03:32 Mar 30 2005
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sorry sarahestatha, but u described how to b an anarchist, not a anticonformist...



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so what is the difference between the two? One believes the other does?
Please, I sincerely would like to know the defining points of each, for they both have a lot in common. Or am I just looking at it the wrong way?



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Echo
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sarahestatha has a point, some things are hard to define when they already have been given images by us... *thinks.*

I would say that the word anarchy focuses more on the idea of disorder based on the masses.. usually by a loss of order by a social hierarchy or government for instance; if the government was brought down, we would apparently be in 'anarchy.'

This may be incorrect but I would personally define anticonformism as the personal choice not to conform to some areas of society, rather than fighting against the system.



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ROFLMFASO Daermon >;^}



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I agree with OB1. My son once told me that he was an anticonformist and yet all he wanted to do was dress exactly like his friends. Now, he doesn't claim to be 100 percent anticonformist. lol



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I agree anticonformism is conformism



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anarchs of the world unite

:Laughing:

I do not adhere to any set doctrines but my own. Conforming to the anti conformists doesnt make sense to me so anticonformism must not exist...

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but it does its all around



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Echo
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So basically, a desire to become a 'rebelloius' label is the wish to become a 'non-label' but while still being a 'label' in your own explanation of being such a thing.

I know that made no sense, but its what I think :P



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it's a paradox.. no matter what, you're conforming to non-conforming.






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so we solved it: anticonformism does not exist, 'cause if I call myself an anticonformist then I'm already conforming to something therefore I'm a conformist, but as being an anticonformist I can't be conformist, as we concluded - anticonformism does not exist so that means that I don't exist! :)



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you said it very well.



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no, it does not exist



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no entry in the dictionary at http://www.dictionary.com



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I agree with Requiem meat on sticks rock!
Espically those kabobs at chinese buffets that look like cat legs lol.


If we all were the same that would be pretty boring wouldnt it.



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No matter how a person is an anti-conformist, still she/he has to live with rules.Am labelled as an anticonformist but have to live with rules and dress codes all the time.I still dislike those kids who play to be anti-conformists to look cool,cause in that case they're just stupid.



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I am unique just like everyone else...
Circular logic making my head hurt so I bid all good night on this thread....

Thank you all for your thoughts and to ob1 for the thread



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Bloodsheen
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conformity ? Hmmmmm .........To be human is to conform to an extent. and only in the unhuman mind is the true animal spark of caos.

Long live the night,
forever in fright,

Bloodsheen

P.S. .....I like the way a Wing is formed the best. Each feather serving its own purpose towards flight. Muscles and tendons straining towatds the impossible.

Non Conformity is always knowing anything is possible.



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Firstly, i gotta say, that to define something by title is conformity, and not something i do within my own mind, but i do so here not to conform, but to communicate.
:-D

Fisrt thing that i think i ought ramble about thismorning is nonconformity. A much more typically used and abused phrase.
How many comments in this thread are written to the nonconformist, as opposed to the anticonformist???? Quite a few to my mind.
The difference being expressive and grammatical, but it is a difference in practise also.
A nonconformist attempts by nature not to fit in, where an anticonformist is an extreme reaction working against conformity, with the intention of disrupting conformity in general.

Unfortunately most anticonformists tend to misguided and actually seek to merely change the definition of conformity to something more palateable to THEM.
Not always, but usually. It is unfortunate, though.

Thus, if i need to set myself into a category i am a nonconformist instead of an anticonformist. I really dont give a shit about what you say, do, or think. I'll do what i want to... and what i feel like.

And unlike most, i do allow nonconformity to exist regardless of the prevailing laws. i guess that makes me proud to wear the title of "criminal", though it's another label i dont like.
Just another persons label, and thus i really dont care.....

....but i will use it for dramatic effect......


LMMFAO.



R



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Zexerz
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I refuse to answer because everyone else is. :))



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refusing to answer and posting about it is an answer in it's own :)



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deity is right. But, that is so funny. lol



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Throughout your life, you will choose to either conform or not to conform to certain laws, regulations, beliefs, etc.

I think ronsavage put it best - "an anticonformist is an extreme reaction working against conformity, with the intention of disrupting conformity in general." This brings to mind a comparison with matter and antimatter. Neither can exist on the same plane of existance without both ceasing to exist, in which case what would be left to conform or rebell against?

Using that line of reasoning, I would say anticonformism is just a label used by those who are seeking to destroy a certain regualtion, law, etc. It would be improbable that any one person could be anticonformist in every way at all times. For example, seat belt laws. You can refuse to conform to using them, but at the first site of a police car you quicly scramble to put it on.



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anti conformist really to exist or none comformist as they called em in my psychology book. and that doesn't mean ur psycho just that you just dont conform to the norm



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