I have often wondered how many here, grew up knowing things that they shouldn't, and felt it through your blood (familial knowledge passed on to you from your parents/grandparents).
To clarify I don't mean that they have spoken or told you. You just know- to the core of you what it is and means.
If you have, what does it mean to you and do you know anything else about this phenomenon?
The first borns are always very gifted with the second sight in my faimly. The other sibblings all also have some abliltys. It seems the trait runs stronger in females thought. I dont know if thats exactly what you were getting at . but thats the closest thing to learning through blood. I have experanced
That is interesting, as it is the same in my family- my mother's mother was first, my mother was only, and I was first.
To some extent it is what you're talking about, but further. For example, I was able to recreate something that my grandmother had done, without ever seeing her project or even knowing that she had done it (some 60 years before). I hope this clearifies the topic more.
It's called genetic memmory...
and yes I go believe it exists...
to the best of my knowledge, no one else in my family has the empathic qualities I do- if they did, they either ignored them, or just pretended it wasn't there-most of my family was very Christian, and would not believe in something like that- that's why I never said much about it when I was growing up
that is a very good question, i dont know im genetically gifted coz im kinda very different to the rest of my family
Well it must be really interesting.
But My family , at least I think, dont have this genetic memory...Id say everyone is just special.
i dont think i'm genetically gifted or not because me and my family is very differnt the only person who is like me in my family is my sister so i'm not sure
hmmm....blood, well I picked up the violin and had a natural talent for it. Problem is it's a cousin that's got the professional violinist thing going on. Other than Bowling, gardening, and having a knack for sewing. I don't think anything else about blood really...
it happens.... the women in my family, on both sides, have it
haha i guess i spose its juz natural talent sorta thing. my dad has always b3en g0od in comps, now im into them alot 2, and so is my younger bro and he's like 5 lol
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...i think it is very possible and have noticed it in different people before. someone close to me exhibits genetic memory in an ethnic and cultural way. i don't want to go into detail, but it seems almost like a cultural hangover of sorts. very interesting. :)
Yeah i have 'felt' things and said things that I'm told my Grandfather has said and done way back before i was ever born...I never knew my Grandfather but my Grandmother noticed these things and asked me certain questions when i was younger...I hope this is what you meant by your questions?
I always felt an attraction for the paranormal and I was always the one reflecting all the time.
But it's not genetic, not at all!My family ignore these things cause they say they're evil/satanic.
well i am first born and a female and at times i do feel that i 'sense' what people are hiding, like if some things wrong at home, with people in my family perificly, it may jsut be intuition and guess work and imaginetion i dont know
Well, Mind Walker and Thera said it. Genetic memory and the gift that everyone is born with. I'm a firstborn and only child, and my mothre's side of the familly is very gifted with second sight, and predictive dreams(very Catholic either, so they don't like to talk much about it). In my father's side I think there are a lot of Empathics, but they don't think about it that way. I guess I have my share of enharitage from both sides.
for some strange reason i almost always no what someone is going to say before they do so and i have an amazing gift for reading ppl
A most interesting concept!
I had the vision. I say had, because I have not experienced one in a very long time. While there are a number of factors that were in play at the time I had visions (none of them drugs) I would like to think that much of it has to do with my lineage.
I have seen things that I could not have imagined! I have known things that I had no way of knowing! Scientists would like to say that I saw something when I was younger and that my brain held on to it: BS! I remember most of my life and I do not recall being taught some of the things I know to be true.
Scott Cunningham said that magic is science yet to be discovered. The difference between witches and scientists is that witches “believe” while scientists “know”. Thankfully, faith does not call for the academic proof required by science.
ETINARCADIAEGO
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Interesting ambrosiusamadeus, I have always viewed art and science as two parts of the same coin (to clearify I consider magic a form of art). Head or tails both have physical /metaphysical effects on us.
Specifically, I view science as using the physical to effect the metaphysical and art as using the metaphysical to effect the physical.
But back to the topic- we've termed this knowlege, genetic memory- but what does it mean to you?
For example, it helps me contantly with my work in energies by "flashes" of knowledge that suppliment what I'm doing.
Do any of the vampires out there find this a hindarance or a help (even the non vamps)?
I beleive that its the soul that keeps the memory traits of the past experences that you've had and know now in this life, i really think that blood has little to do with this.
but when it come from things like ailments and other known genetics that relate to the family memebers, then yes, blood has something to do with it.
its in ur genes, ur blood, it is true, i beleive in it
as in vampires, they get new knowledge thru blood
I think i will stick with Ambrosius on this one. Very well put...
the INdians believed that if you ate the heart of your enemy, you took in their courage and made it your own-I see no reason for the same not to be true of taking in blood-it does carry the genetic memory and makeup of all that have gone before you-so why shouldn't we be able to call on things that those before us had?
saw/knew things that came to be true but being adopted have no idea why i see these things
I had a dream when I was alittle girl of a lady telling me that when I grew up I would not be like the rest of my family.. for the family I took after was the half of me that remained a mystery to me.. When I got older... I turned more into the person my dream said I would and I've never meet the person I've turned into because my biological father died a few months before I was born.
I often dream of times that I cannot remember, yet my grandmother always says that the dreams have something to do with what her great grandfather did when he was younger.
BLOODLINE FLOW TWO WAYS, PAST AND FUTURE, SO JUST AS HUMANS EVOLVE SO DOSE THE BLOOD THUS YOU TAKE FROM THE PAST AND PASS ON TO FUTURE. KNOWLEDGE IS PASSED IN ORDER TO EVOLVE.
ALISTER do you ever feel that at times we are in fact communicating through blood to our future or past, not just the idea that they give us knowlegde, but that we inturn share ours?
I was born knowing far more than I should have. It took me some time to see that though.
Sir do you feel that this assists or hinders you in anyway?
Both; assists by letting me learn from mistakes, and hinders by the mulitude and amplifacation of loss.
i have know things from the 20's and 30's and every the 40's that a person of my age should not be aware. things that only after i talk about them with my uncles or my father, they tell me happened to my great grandfather. they still can believe what i am telling them because it is like my great grandfather is telling them what happened instead of me
Its not exactly knowledge through blood, its more of the animal understanding of knowing things, its more instinct then it is anything else. As for the Family stuff, you know because you were there, in some sense, your spirit knows.
If Blood had knowledge or was able to transure that knowledge, then those who are sanguine affilited, would learn about their donor through their blood, not through talking to them.
- Sin (VII)
I know that there is psychics in my family. The 7th daughter of a 7th daughter type of thing. ti dates abck to like the 1880's or something like that.....
I agree with Mindwalker! It's genetic memory! Blood is the sustenance for the body, the defence system and many more. Blood cells are containing the DNA of each living being. In DNA are imprinted everything, among them is the hereditary knowledge gathered of all the line of our ancestors dating back to the begining of our races! Some of this knowledge we can access it easily, comes natural (like insticts) some other we have to exersise in order to access it!
Yes I have felt things. though I believe it's more knowledge through spirit than blood. Maybe you meant both, I can't read.
scionofrequiem- how do you explain the occurrence of transplant recipients suddenly having a change in favourite foods, music (on mother started listening to heavy metal after getting the heart of an 18year old), and so on and so forth.
I'm not trying to put you on the spot, but you have well thought out answers, and this is part of the phenomenon that I am trying to explore with this tread, so a different though process might move this along. =) Thanks!
genetics..and i think its from how they act too. just who they are and the way htey do things that "passes"into u and u pick up some things from them/
im second born but i know what you mean my family is very atuned to spitual stuff i myself have the abilty but not as stong as my sister or uncle
I believe it exists too. One thing that runs on my mother's side of the family is, no lie here, prophetic dreams, at least for the females. There are probably other things, but I can’t think right now.
I try to embrace it...Every thing that just came to me , when I was younger, has helped me once or again with a few tasks while I was older..It is the weirdest feeling in the world to just know somthing and be right...
NonMortusEst69 have you had any experiences with this idea of genetic memory- and if so, has it helped/hindered- what have been your experiences?
My mother was a first child. I am a first child, grandchild, and great grandchild.
My mother and I have similar gifts and traits. My mother has told me my grandmother had them also but I never knew her personally.
If you put a baby in a bath, it knows to hold its breath...
Its a mixture of instinct and the purtiy of mind in my opinion.
That's an interesting thought Echo- so would you say that the "less pure" we are, the further away we move from these ablities?
I'm a first born like some said,and I think I've got 6th sense cause I feel al ot of things and am always right,but I don't think it's genetic,I feel I've got nothing in common with my parents and brother,except for unfortunately the DNA.
my family has abilities passes down..it tends to skip generations and i have a bit, not as much as i would like...
Gifts in my family, such as second sight or "sixth senses" are ignored. Even if it is obviously there...It drives me nuts. I'm the only one in my family (as far as I know) that actually accepts my gift.
It's called "collective unconcious". Basically, it is your instinct. All of the knowledge that all of humans and animals have gathered is passed onto all of us, into our soul. When you unlock this secret tome of knowledge, it is called "enlightenment". Only few have achieved it, such as Yogis and Bhuddists.
The instincts are stronger in your depending on your ancestors and parents. If you descend from a long line of psychics or witches, you can expect to have some sort of "gift" or ability that either comes easier or naturally to you.
This information is stored inside you subconcious, which would explain why it is so elusive, and why certain traumatic events could actually UNLEASH or actualize such a power.
One may uncover many a secret through meditation, and getting in touch with your subconcious (lower self) as well as your spiritual conciousness (higher self). Then you must use your mind (middle self) to control and direct the energies or power.
Krush if you are uninterested dont read in the first place....I would assume you could read a bit and be able to tell if its your "cup of tea".
As for the rest of you, anything to add?
warnervebreak,
I like the idea that you have outlined here.
Would you be able to elaborate further please?
thanks...
Well, I dont know which section of it you would like more details on. Many of my ideas stem from Wicca.
Wicca is closely tied to many other religions which confirms my belief in the quote "there are many paths to one truth". This simply means that every religion is correct IN IT'S OWN RIGHT.
The way I was referring to High, middle, and Low self, has to do with the Hawaiian modality/belief system called Huna.
Carl Jung once said "The scariest thing in life can be to completely accept oneself" (or somethign along those lines). Huna practitioners seek to be in touch with all three states of conciousness in order to better understand many things.
In terms of how this relates to "collective unconcious" or as the thread author puts it, "knowledge through blood".....When you become more in touch with yourself, you better understand that which surrounds you. After all, everything we conceive is based on perception, right?
I believe that besides the collective unconcious playing a role, genetics may play a small role. Our brains have vastly changed over the centuries and there are 4 biological neural structures in our body. 3 in our brain, one in our heart.
This has been proven recently, by modern day biologists. But there is also a 5th, the spiritual connection with the mind-body. The neural structure in the heart has been shown to dynamically interact with our brain on more than a mechanical level.
I'm getting off track...
We are all here to learn as much as we can in life, and if you believe in collective unconcious, you would be doing us all a favor to quench your thirst for knowledge.
They say that around middle age, the average person begins to search for religion or spirituality, if they havent already. This longing stems from our intuitive sensing that we can adapt on more than a physical and spiritual level, and our violence is said to arise out of our failure to transcend.
There are many historical figures who have shown trancendence in atleast some degree. Such as Jesus, Krishna, Bhudda. In our search for religion we have lost our real goal. Spirituality and religion are actually two very different things.
When you think about it, if the collection of masses strove towards transcendence, the knowledge of our collective unconcious would grow exponentially and we would instinctively be smarter, wiser. As a result, the whole planet would prosper.
Yes I did stay on subject though I had to beat aroudn the bush a bit.
Also, the reason knowledge would be passed down much more easily through blood, is through a spiritual bond between offspring and parents. There is a bond that is formed when the two vessels of two spirits work together to reproduce a new vessel so that another soul may reincarnate into it. The gift of life is the gift of bringing another soul into this world, and the souls involved are bonded.
If your soul is in a family with or has life relations with another particular soul enough times, you may become soul mates.
Therefor, some of the instincts of the "parental soul" would be passed onto the child in a more direct way (through a bond) than compared to collective unconcious.
I know, I have very eclectic beliefs. Maybe I'm just crazy....
Just an interesting thought:
If the notion of genetic memory does really exist, could it be possible that what we think to be reincarnation.......could actually just be the memories of our ancestors past down to us through our family line or genes????
As human beings we have no knowledge when we are born not even the knowledge of survival. We are a species that must be taught or we will grow up to be nothing. Knowledge through blood or the passing down of known knowledge through genetics is not part of our makeup. If you have a baby and keep I in a closet with no contact but food water, the learning pathways in our brains will not develop and nothing will be retains after the eighth year except the knowing that someone is feeding you through a door.
Ferrell children that are found at a young age can be re-taught but will retain the knowledge of the animal they have lived with an so behave like that animal.
Yea! Someone else who's read Jung! *does a happy dance around warnervebreak*
Seriously though, this is the conversation I was Hoping for! I'm late for work (per the norm... ) but until I have time to sit and go into my thoughts... quick question.
I personally think that we have choices before we come (are born)- and that in some of us the higher self exists and is complete- but our paths do not always allow us to fully express that so that our purpose may be fulfilled.
Establishing that there is this idea of both genetic memory and the social unconscious, are we not more fully what our ancestors strived to be (along the idea that domangelus mentioned)? Or do you think we "hybrid" ourselves going from the middle self into our higher being throughout our individual lives, and potentially pass on our progress to our offspring?
i am srry i dont think i have had that happen to me i just know
Bah...donno at the moment I think that when we're born we're just innocent and ignorant and then we get knowledge trough our expiriences only.
*dances with Sahahria*
I agree that we have a choice before coming into this world. I believe that our spirit has a vague idea of what they will learn in that life, should they choose to enter into the world in that particular vessel (body). In this way, a spirit ever-searching for knowledge can choose a life that will best benefit him. All things happen for a reason, so I believe this concept may be SOMEWHAT related to miscarriage and stillbirths.
We all know that if your spirit fades, the body and mind will as well. Maybe your soul chose to enter into being, only to leave before even being born, to serve a purpose in YOUR life. You know? Just a thought. a concept to ponder.
I believe that in fact we are NOT what our ancestors strived to be. I believe that, save a select few, we are what our ancestors fears. We have been derailed, sidetracked. We know longer understand what is important and the mechanics of the world beyond reality. We do pass on our progress to our offspring, but they have to unlock it, so to speak. in the past and in other cultures the quest for knowledge beyond that of the material world was held above superficial findings.
In this day and age we have lost track of that. instead of gaining spiritual progress, we settle for human progress, which in the end we lose at death. this leads to a world devoid of spiritual growth and a stagnant pool of collective unconcious that SHOULD be growing. Again, this lack of the lust for spiritual fulfillment we should normally posess, creates a world of utter chaos where we humans are more chaotic than nature itself, which will eventually destroy our world. We are careless, and callous to the well being of our spirit's playground, Earth.
I always been the different one and the loner in the family. They were always into christianity but somehow I felt I was different from them. I tried to hide my difference from them..to no avail and to this day they are kinda accepting. I do not know of anyone in my family that is of anything like I am...Maybe I am adopted and no one ever told me?
Yeah I've got the same feeling.For example why am the only one thinker,emotional and attracted to art in my family?But then I've got birth certificates and stuff...still am totally different from them,even in mentality am open-minded and they,they are very narrow minded and never ready for changes:/
Interesting thoughts. Which would also account for the idea that there are so many more people here than the pasts’ population would account for. Do a few/majority/all of us have fractured souls, maybe? Could this be the driving desperation some feel~ loss of part of one’s self? Hmm … there is much to think on with this, as it also brings up the idea that while we both agree that we can
1. Choose our path to some degree (life lessons maybe?)
Does this then mean:
2. We are then limited by the family we become a part of and their blood knowledge?
a. Does this mean that we have chosen our own weakness
b. Do we still have the opportunity to complete our spirit
3. In assuming that we can repair our fractured spirit… are we then to complete the body/spirit connection and increase our knowledge through blood?
My personal stance is that we have physically disconnected with our bodies. Whether due to pain or physic issues many/most of us refuse to reconnect. I think that some of us naturally connect more~ but we can all learn this as it is part of our environment. As to us only learning what we are taught- in the early development years- I agree somewhat but I think that view is a way to not delve into the later development of the body/mind which was the point of this thread.
We are all here because we love vampire lore/ideas. A major part of that in my beliefs is the lure and supernatural aspects of our blood. Why to some of us LOTHE to give it, why are some eager to. There is a communion that occurs with blood letting that is very personal. This thread is to explore our own individual connection with our own blood and whether we carry knowledge in it- and if we do how that relates us to the world around us.
Thanks to everyone who has shared their own aspect of this, because there are many of us here (myself included) that are still learning, wanting to explore and your thoughts help further this (who needs the soap box next?)
Hehe well I've read a book were was written that we choose our life and lessons to learn,but I only read not believe....
And yeah what if past lives have to do with it here?
So many retoric questions hehe,tnx for bringing up this subject,never tought it would interest me this much.
*goes to think more*
The majority of us have fractured souls, yes, in a sense. The soul in itself is complete but from day one we have little understanding of it on the mental level. As a child your brain cannot concieve the notion that we have a divine spark, a soul inside of us, that is a part of the webbing of the universe. As soon as a child is old enough to learn to speak and grasp large concepts, we teach them the way of science. Science is great and all, but it has it's place. Just as the order of important in the mind-body-spirit connect goes (from least important to greatest) Body, Mind, Soul......Science is to spirituality as body is to soul. Science is not only something our body can work with mechanically, it is something that our brain can fundamentally understand. That which is unknowable is not something we wish to understand, it is something we wish to FEEL. That explains the longing, the feeling of loss of a part of oneself. Though our brain can rationalize and concieve these thoughts and ideas of spirituality and the unknown, you cannot truly understand unless you have first hand experience. We dont even give our spirit validation, so how can our spirit learn if our middle self (brain) refuses to believe it exists?
To answer your questions as best I can....
2: We are not limited by the family we choose. Worldly knowledge such as science may be limited to family depending on financial and living conditions. Thats more of a matter of access to education. But, anyone and everyone has the right to spiritual learning. The knowledge that is directly passed on through the bond of spirit or blood is simply like a specialization. If you have a gift or power that has been passed down in your family, its not to say that another person wouldnt be able to develop it, its just that you have a knack for it. And in cases where it is somethign present since birth, it has been ingrained deeply enough that it is utter instinct. Like I said before, collective unconcious could reveal EVERYTHING to someone. So, if not able to develop a skill or ability through development, or not having it as an instinct, one might seek to bring his or her mind/body/spirit connection in sync enough to tap into the collective unconcious. Think of it like this. The collective unconcious is a library that is hard to find your way to. Development is like borrowing a book and reading it through and practicing the said knowledge. Instinct is like your grandmother reading that book to put you to sleep, so you just grow up knowing it.
2.a : Do we or do we not choose our weakness depends on how you look at it. We may come into this life knowing what we can potentially learn. We learn from mistakes sometimes, right? Is it arrogant to believe that these "mistakes" would be taken for weaknesses, in some cases? Yes, strengths and weaknesses exist and in a sense our spirits can see them, but our soul recognizes the set parameters merely as opportunities to learn. In my opinion, basically the
soul can see the entire life layed out in front of them. They see what places they have something they still need to learn and decide if they want to enter into that life. The "future" that you see before entering the world can be altered. Not by our soul's actions but by our conciousness. Environmental influences shape our personalities, and the story can change. Some souls are destined to live a similar life over and over because the world is plagued by false pretenses, religion with no goal, and other things to impede progress. Our soul is like a passenger in the ride. Our personality and our choices shape what we will allow our soul to learn. If you choose to not be spiritual at all, obviously you might not get as much gain out of a certain lifetime.
2.b : Our spirit is complete in the sense that there is nothing missing, only something denied to it. It is comparable to a disowned child. The child starts thinking "why am I here?". The soul does the same, which is why some middle aged people suddenly embrace a religion or spirituality. It's like your soul giving you a kick, letting you know its there and it needs to be validated atleast once int he lifetime. To "complete" your spirit, you need only accept it.
3: The fractured or "disowned" spirit you accept that it is there. We already accept the mind-body connection and our higher self has been believed in since before religion. So yes, after you accept that you even have a soul inside you, you should strive to bring body-mind-soul into harmony. Doing so will effectively unlock your collective unconcious or "knowledge through blood". Like I said, gifts passed down through families is more of a bond between the souls. Like a "mother soul" (for lack of better term) teaching the "child soul" a few "family secrets". It is somethign to help you along in this life, to give you the benefit of the doubt. In a way, it can ensure that you DO gain what you need of this life. Also, we are all interconnected and our souls are all of the same makeup, so in essence, we are all "blood". We are all brothers and sisters on the spiritual level.
As far as what you say after your questions were asked, I understand that I ventured a litle bit away from the topic of the thread, but what I spoke of is atleast related. I saw alot of interest in what I was saying and do believe I was asked to elaborate further.
It is a difference of opinion, really. You believe we hold knowledge in our actual blood, which is not an absurd idea. We know that there is essentially life force (beyond mechanical needs) within our blood. Ki, Prana, whatever you want to call it. It is indeed possible that knowledge is contained in blood but I would venture to say that if that is the case, I would say that the knowledge is inside the Prana or Life Force WITHIN the blood, as opposed to the biological makeup of blood itself. Prana, or life energy, is what our souls are made up of anyways, so this would further my belief that knowledge beyond our brain's grasp is held within the soul.
I have heard of this but never really gave the idea of it any serious thought.
it's at times like this that i wished my family were a little more interesting...
knowledge is innate to us...we are born with everything that we need to know in that particular life we are living in at that moment..it just takes time and some teaching to bring it forth...
I have always wondered about this to. I know things I shouldn't and can tell you without you asking sometimes. But they are mostly things that don't really matter. Things that are of no importance. Like when I was 5 I didn't even know what gay was and I told my cousin (she was 16) that her boyfriend was gay and then two days later he came out the closet. It was strange. And other things like that have happened all my life.
Perhapse genetic and racial memories are the reason for deja vu. I know I have felt that more than once.
And this is also the reason for deep rooted fears within the subconscious of all human beings.
Very interesting views here. To be on a lighter, much thoughtless note, my mum's side of the family deals with spirits, the paranormal, etc.. When I was little, I could hear spirits, sometimes talk to them, I could and still can see them. Most of all, we can see the future. Probably not a big deal, but it's important to me. As far as I know, I am the only one in my family that uses it (for good) the most to my advantage.
The idea of being born with all the knowledge we need but needing to be taught how to bring it out is a contradiction.
i really dont think i have had that happen to me so i dont know what to think
how is it a contridiction? your born with the knowledge of life, of instinct..yet you need time and need to be taught on how to retrieve that information..and use it in the right situations. the human mind is more complex then anyone has been able to determine. we have so much knowledge that we have not used because there has not been situations in our life that has had need for that knowledge. its why we as people can not know the full extent of who we are and what we would do in certain situations...its due to the fact that we have not faced them thus we can not say how we would use the knowledge we have and react.
and now im done rambling...