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For centuries Vampires have been seen as evil souless creatures who love nothing more than to kill humans and drain them of blood. As far as I know there are some like that who would kill you before you could click your fingers but many other Vampires like me are nothing like that and are just merely misunderstood, I quite like talking to and befriending humans, although like my kind there are some that are just complete idiots and will try to hurt their peers. My kind is not that much different from yours.

It's called human nature. Some are kind some are not ,why would it be anything different for vampires.

Is this a profess how misunderstood those who identify as vampires are? Why is it that if people don't accept the minority who profess to be vampires as what they profess to be, that it is some fear?

Why look for absolutes? It is all imagination, nothing about anything you profess can be supported by demonstration. Some people are Idiots, that is a statement. Where is the question, all I see here is fluff.

"My kind is not that much different from yours." so I get it this is a Public Service Announcement. So a poll question as a title, and a Public Service Announcement, inside. Vampires use Promotion to assure people they have nothing to fear, they are just like everyone else.. except they are convinced that they are creatures that have evolved in works of fiction.

In my experience, there are some good, some bad, and almost all have a mixture of both. It's all about which one outweighs the other.

Hmmm I’m wondering where are you trying to go with this, the answer is quite simple and logical, there are those who are good and there are those who are bad, like everything else, and you just gave the reason why vampires throughout history are seamed as evil figures, even tho the assumption of killing and drinking blood counted as evil it is relative to the eye of the beholder, because it is the point of view of the prey that a vampire tendencies is evil, And then you have the predator's point of view which is acceptable in natural matters.. is the substantial need and instinct of survival, like any other prey to its predator. And then you say: "my kind is not different from yours". And?..So?...What is the question? It’s all statements…

I guess it's all in the question of what type of person they are...Like humans they can be good or evil it just depends what is in them.

They are good or evil, but in most movies they are evil ghosts, that prey on the living at night. Vampires are already dead, that's why they sleep in day. In reality Vampires can be good, and be normal people in society.

In reality vampires do not exist. People who identify as vampires exist, they are just like everybody, good or evil, is a sham.

Vampyres consist of good and evil. Just as any other class of species. For example, there are good and evil humans. So you cannot generalize and say all Vampyres are good or all vampyres are evil. Anyways I don't even really believe in labeling any species good or evil, because what makes a species good or evil is not indicative of classification. It's really merely speculative, and therefor you cannot group them as such, and say good or evil. They are what they are, and each individual vampyre can be good or evil at any given time, much as humans can be. To say because they bite and feed on blood means they are evil, is the same as saying because bees sting and soldiers gun down the enemy this makes them evil. They are doing what is fundamentally instinctive in their nature. They are doing what is essential for them to stay alive. Some vampyres themselves may not like that they have to drink blood to stay alive (think of Louis's character in Interview with the Vampire) but it is infact what they are to do, if they wanna live, and thrive in the vampyre kingdom. It most certainly doesn't make them evil to wanna survive.

To profess you are a vampire is no different than claiming you are a "christain, catholic, buddist, ect... Depending on the definition you choose to use a cult is religious practice, thus, all religions are cults. The delisions of one person is insanity, delusions by a few a cult, and by many a religion.

Vampires going on the hollywood version, have always in my mind been portrayed as the evil of the human culture. To feed off and rule these individuals, yet latley hollywood has given them emotion and passion for humans in some sense.

Fictional beings of the culture of hollywood, yet a rise of sub culture has been taking place for those who take on the persona of the vampirc life. Proclaiming themselves just this. By life style feelings or admiration for the vampires. To each their own. and some here will show debate on this.
but i think it is sort of anything else proclaimed and followed. the rights of us as individuals and the way we want our lifes.

There are good vampires and there are bad vampires. I am one of good vampires. Yes I love the taste of blood but that does not mean I'll go around killing all the humans I see and drain them off their blood. I am friends to all humans and animals alike. I do not harm anyone and never will.

its all about personal philosophy. you are either here for a higher purpose...to help things and people....or you see yourself as an apex preditor and you just do what you do.
third possiblity tho is you are gray..neither black or white. you arent always an angel, but neither you always a devil.

and dabbler...im going to start counting how often you feel the need to remind folks there is "no such thing as vampires". LOL you seem to write it in about every thread you comment on. making me wonder if your trying to convince yourself.
just making an observation.
~W~

It is me pointing out that this is just a, "does evil exist" thread (we already had that a couple of times.). All that has changed is the Evil vs Good is set over vampires, that do not exist. So this is a poll question.

Convincing myself, that vampires don't exist? That is an oxymoron.
I never doubted the fact that vampires are lore. I am feed up sick with the presumption that those who do not subscribe to the delusion that vampires exist in some esoteric way, are somehow secretly scared that they do. I am a grown ass man, and those who persist to allude to being "evil inclined vampires" should write more in their journals. Just an observation.

I agree with ~Dabbler~ on this one, this thread is full of fluff as stated.

If the poster is vampire, or has vampiric tendancies then I am Mickey Mouse.

Public service announcement or no, to establish ground for complaining about what has been done to the individual on a personal basis, and coming up with a thread of simple retaliation, is quite childish and not the vampiric way at all. So, I do call you out on your conviction.

What Mickey Mouse is a vampire... Thats what the writer wants.


Looking back at he changing of horror vampiric trends we see that the hollywood vampire has come to be an emotional monster. Good or evil is depending on the laws of the human race, go against them evil, with them good. Plain and simple.

So taking the vampire, would in all accounts would or should be evil for killing or bleeding the prey. Acts against humanity. so feed of abnimals, well now we have started another battle
Reminds me of Return to Salems lot ploy.

Giving a monster emotions is to restrain the monster, applying ethics and morals to werken, or level playing field our created "embodied" fears, the progression is relative to craft, and fringe collectives (.though some would have others think they are "networked" with others who are collectively active.

Strenghten the beast against traditional(now obsolete) weapons, the monster is stronger, yet to apply those morals, and ethics..

good or evil . i do not judge , we can all be both but are we all the same . For i say there are not any who say i am good if they do try to be , they try and fail , if bad tho it is easy and you can be evil all of the time , but i do know that good or evil i do not think one could do with out the other , is a balance thing .

all things are a potential mixture of light and dark - this balances out the universe.

it's up to the individual (cognizant or otherwise) to choose their path... thus being said... a small percentage will choose one or the opposite polarized extreme

Mixture is left up to the writer or the individual who is vampiric. we know that this is a two sided coin. and one does not come without the other

Light and dark, good or evil. this interpetation is based on the act in which the vampire performs or acts out their life.

Most humans fear the unknown and when they fidrt created myths to explain the vampire they figured they should be evil but taking things that happened around the same time and tieing them together. To them they saw evil but only becasue they wanted to. Know people get entertainment by horror films and vampires are very popular so hollywood porbably figures why not keep them scary.

I think Vampires are just like humans, they can be good or evil, it's there personal choice not a race choice. Just cuase one is bad doesn't make the whole lot bad.

Sorry, but isn't good and evil in the eye of the beholder so to one person a vampire might be evil while to another believes they are not evil?

The fact is vampires are humans, and like humans there is a tendency to be good or evil, but who is to say what is evil or good in nature to one person is not to another. People do bad things because it is self satisfying, in their eyes what they have done is not evil it was good...well good for them, as for the other person viewing the act as bad that is their own personal view of the situation.

I avoid terms like good and bad, and try to walk between them =]

I belive that there is some good in vampires thus it is up to the them to find it

I tend to agree with Shark. As with humans, there are some "good" vampyres, just as there are some "bad".

Yeah we have seen it in many many movies..

Well, I believe it depends on the vampire's intentions.

Vampires can be either good or evil; but I think that in general, they are viewed as evil because they drink blood - which is taboo in most cultures, especially among believers of the Christian, Jewish, and Islamic faiths.

One of the vampire characters I'm writing about has issues with hurting people at times; she more or less lives by the same moral compass by which humans live. She also thinks:
"I also know that I am what I am, and I see no sin in it. I exist."

So, to me, vampires are just another entity trying to survive and make it through life.

well I feel that Vampires are as the rest they can be kind or mean it is just however their nature is really, I mean we all have both in us.

personally, i think that it has to do do with what vampire myth, story or individual you are dealing with. each one is so different than the next. and with the fact that people define good and evil so vastly differently, i think that i would have to say both.

Depection of good or evil is a vise that humans have, whether vampires, humans or whatever, why must things be good or bad. What about the same in one for each of us are good nor bad but the actions we do give us this claim.

just like everything else, there is a ying yang to the world. Vampires are a part of that. There are good ones, and there are bad ones.
For humans, there are good ones and bad ones,
for animals, there are good ones and bad ones,
It's all a natural part of life, it's the circle of life.

My thoughts are that a title is something subjected upon someone, ones own self, or something. Weather you so chose to claim the title of a wizard or a window washer. Good and evil can be looked at in just the same fashion. We have all taken our part in subjective behavior towards ourselves or one another. To state that something is good or evil is the allowance of ones own opinion. If the eye of the beholder is to be believed by all, imagine how many categories/sub/sub/subcategories our lives would be divided into. To divide something as diversely thought of as a vampire into either good, evil, or both, is virtually impossible for me. All things are just trying to sustain life. Nothing more in my eyes.

It should be obvious that vampires and humans are individuals and cannot be described as "good" or "evil" in general terms. Individuals vary, as always.

Another important thing to point out here is that "good" and "evil" are, to say the least, very broad terms. As there is no universally accepted meaning of either, it's difficult to approach a question such as the one that heads this thread. Some may equate "evil" with, say, destructiveness, while others may associate the term with self-aggrandizement. It may be thought of by some as something primarily metaphysical, while others may use the term to describe the felt impact of day-to-day affairs.

Thus, the question of whether all vampires or all humans are "good" or "evil" is not only an attempt to generalize, but an ambiguous attempt at that, not defining the terms sufficiently for a considered response.

I think that there are some good vampires as well as some bad.

There can never be something all good... I guess.

Maybe all vampires are said to be bad because people only recognize the bad things and they don't pay attention to the little good things.

Honestly it depends on the vampire.
Everything can be evil and everything can be good.
It just the way the individual chooses to be.

It is a question of Perspectives.

To a Human we are Evil since they are prey and food.

My own perspective is I don,t get a choice !

so label me as you will .............In short

I don,t care since...it,s not my fault !

well on one hand you have the vampires who prey on humans and decide to kill them when they feed on said human.
then on the other hand you have the vampires who prey on humans but do not kill them. some even prefer animals to humans so they can keep their humanity.
One way or the other most people will consider all vampires evil, because they drink blood or sometimes have to kill to stave their hunger. There are a lot of vampires who prefer to use the "little bite" (where they feed from many humans at one time to stave their hunger) so they can deal with the hunger and not have to kill.

In my opinion each vampire has a god side and each has a bad side so they are both good and evil.

think vampires have the same choices as we do that defines us as good and bad. same morals i think. some have a different idea what makes them good or bad. some see themselves as only killing the bad and not killing an innocent. the act of killing one thats evil is good. not to kill and innocent is good. so does the one act of killing a disgusting human being protect the living?

Vampires by their nature are evil.

vampire are evil in a way but they are also good as i stated. yes they save the living by killing the "Evil" humans. so they are also good in more than one way.

Why do they even have to be labeled. I mean society is always labeling people and things. why? we all know that there is good and bad and we all have some of both in us. Just the way it is.

we do it so that way we dont end up hurt, abused, or killed. without doing such we would end up dead and we would most likely regret such after death,

All with a beating heart; when it comes down to it; are more worried about their own well being and will do anything to maintain it. no matter who you are or what you are. My occupation is a lifeguard supervisor. I see it everyday. for example:

Two young girls, one whom cannot be in the deep end without a life jacket. well of course she tried and her sister ended up being a life jacket for her. she latched onto her sisters back trying to save herself and in the struggle she had no idea she was hurting/drowning her own sister. so would you say the younger sister who couldn't swim is evil? i think not. but if she was just straight up trying to kill her sister in my pool by way of drowning her, heck yes shes evil! hahahha

So, again, no matter what we are or who we are. It all boils down to "I am most important to myself and will do anything to maintain my well being." Nobody who has any kind of common courtesy would openly live like this or state it but that doesn't out way the truth.. It also doesn't mean we do not care about others, simply we all do what is necessary to maintain life. label it what u want. good-evil.

Vampires=another life form trying to support their own existance. thats all to me.

I would imagine each Vampire has his/her own personality, so to label all one way or another would be an injustice.

"the world is not devided into good and evil light and dark. we all have both good and evil light and dark in us and its just a matter of wich we act upon."

One point I want to bring up...

Are humans called evil when they kill animals for food?

No...

So why should vampires be called evil for preying on humans or animals?

It's part of the food chain.

Well..this is chosen in several diffrent ways.
In the eyes of humans..if they don't really understand
somthing..and if it hunts them,they of course it is evil,
expecially judged back in the 18 hundreds and such.
now..Vampyres have a choise..just like any other being,
to be evil or kind.
Or,
they way they are treated could effect ones mind,
and choise.
Vampyres can go crazey too you know.

I think Doru made an interesting comment: "To profess you are a vampire is no different than claiming you are a "christain, catholic, buddist, ect... "

If we put vampires in a category of a spiritual belief, we have opportunities to believe them evil. There were time through history where christians thought muslims evil, christians thought jews were evil, Catholics thought Protestants were evil. These groups weren't necessarily evil, but they were considered such. They probably didn't consider themselves evil at all.

Does a cow consider us evil because we eat steak? The cow isn't even aware of the fact, but yet, if it was you or I, and other beings were slaughtering us for food, we would consider it evil. There are even those amongst us who consider eating animals evil.

Evil then is in the eyes of the beholder.

I would say its 50/50.. Some are good and sme are evil. Depends on whom wants to be what and how the were brought up..

Vampires can be of any morality; just like a mortal would. However, I believe that a well-fed vampire has a greater capacity for higher thought processes, which may just include issues of right and wrong.

However there may be some vampires who simply do evil anyways, no matter how well-fed they are.

i am also in agreement with that.....but there are a few vampires who will go "berserk" and it makes them evil. . .

It seems that the good evil debate comes down to a morality... as with anyone the morality comes down to what the vampire in this case chooses to be...

LordXayl

well stated for morality is the deception in which we give the meaniong of good or evil, not necessary the person but more of the actions they do.

Another thread without defining the term.What do you mean by being a vampire?

1.Before the XIXth century Romantic and Victorian literature the vampire was generally a monster opposed to the human values so from the human point of view it was a BAAAD creature.

2.During the Romantic period in literature the vampire was one of the best portrays of the paradoxical Romantic (anti)hero: extremely good and very bad in the same time.

3.The Hollywood modern movies , more action movies then vampire movies, created a false but tricky naturalist image of the vampire: the vampire is not so supernatural, in fact it is ludicrous human and keeps only a few "bad" traits. We keep invent more and more good vampire related creatures and these new good vampires(lol) are fighing against the old evil ones.Someone could say that the vampire myth is turning against himself.This new vampire is... no good.

4.About the recently " vampire communities" they are so diverse and divergent that a general moral conduct is hard to define.

Is a Lionor Cheetah evil? of course not it kills for need of survival the same as a vampire or any other preditory creature.

To women and, ultimately, to Humankind as a whole, those termed "vampires" were and are a near-literal Godsend whose singular Gift provided the key to the fulfillment of all the most wonderful potentials for both sexes.

To most men, however, their contributions to our ancestors and, most particularly, their unprecedented Gift of true gylanic equality were all largely rejected out of fear and jealosy and they were vilified particularly to females as evil, their Gift misrepresented to all future generations as a plague of vile parasitism of every imaginable sort, and they themselves were thereafter hunted and slaughtered to near extinction as a result.

Good or evil? How ironic a question given the actual truth behind the subject thereof.


- Upir'

I agree with angelbaby1980. All vampires have good and evil in them. It's their choice whether to have evil overpower them or good enlighten them. But nobody is perfect, including vampires. After all, we all have good and evil inside of us.

i agree with everyone on that. morality and everything comes down tot he spacific vampire.

also what i would like to know is which vampire culture you may be talking about, there are a few that you could say but everyone seems to be talking about the culture for todays vampires. what about the older vampires? there are alot of vampires in the past that could have been evil.

I think it just depends on the vampire

i agree, depending on the type of vampire and the ones that they r with influences whether they r evil or not

I believe like any creature you have good and bad. I believe also that every creature is a delicate balance of good and evil.

I belive they are both.. they don't belive they are doing bad when they feed because that is the only way they know how to keep alive

Also they are good some are

Dark yes, evil? Yes and no to me it would depend on what you think evil is. It would also depend on the person vamps are alot like anyone else some good others not, that is how i see it

I think that it depends on the vampyre. It's like saying all lycans are evil or all humans are evil just because there are those individuals that would insist on doing evil.

Vampires have personalities and feelings too!!!!
*pout*

Is the *inherent* nature of Vampires evil?

(This is assuming that the premise of vampires feeding from human blood is correct)

Personalities aside.

Who are we to say what is real and what is not. Life is based on ideas that grow over time. We can't be the ones to judge. Every time we do that something goes wrong. It is so like people to say that if something hasn't be seen it is not real. Have you ever seen air? Life is full of magic and mystories that can never be solved by us. So just leave people be about what to believe and what not to. This is a site where the different are seen as normal and ideas are not looked down upon. So please if I wanted to hear about what is real, right, or wrong I will go to church. Thanks for your time.

And to answer your qustion hun there is right and wrong, good and evil, and the in-between all over the place. Yes it sucks be life will go on. There has to be a balence somewhere in this world. If not we would be bored. :D

I believe Vampires are just plain and simple "survivors" Vampire is a term to identify humans with a genitic or altered DNA code wihich causes us to need different requirments in order to sustain life. What people don't understand they fear which is the reasoning behind why vampires have always been looked upon as dark creatures. Mundanes dont like what they dont understand and in a world full of mundanes, vampires being the gross minorities are forced to learn valuable survival skills in order to maintain a healthy life or live in agony. Thats why I say Vampires are short and sweet "SURVIVORS" There are good and evil people, so one can only assume that there will be good and evil vampires. But to the mundanes, I like that they fear us. Just a Personal notion******

Vampires have historically been considered evil, and were blamed for many little understood situations in the cultures that spawned them. But fictionally they are currently not considered 100% bad.

Body image and wealth are worshipped in our society, and if you add a bit of trendy perversity to the mix you might get an instant hero, or the 20th century equivalent – the antihero. Antiheroes are the ultimate outcasts, and if they are self-loathing, that’s even better: the romantic, but evil, protagonist is born . . . or reborn. Who better to personify those attributes than the modern fictional vampire?

Good or Evil

Well since most here are discredited as being loony or worse if they mention being a vampire from the standards of the subculture and sometimes standards of individual sections of it, how does one decipher which type you are speaking of here.

Historically they are described in numerous ways. Many have picked up gaming words to describe themselves because they have been so intermingled. The average person would not say "human" because everyone is human. There are distinct differences that some recognize and trace it back historically depending on what frame of reference they are using and not all agree. Therefore this is sort of cultural as to whether they would think of something labeled "vampire" as good or evil. Evil would be very much persent in superstition generated by religious groups. It's really all in the perspective but most here mix historical, literary and the subculture together and they are all very different so unless you state very clearly which you are asking about I think all you will get is those who lump all definitions of same together and say the same things over and over predictably that there is no answer for this question because they don't exist in the first place. It is basically relative. But for the sake of argument and since this was built for the subculture, I would say like anyone else there are good people and bad in their ranks and that is that.

Do you think it is more a case of necessary evil in order to survive and mantain existance from being hunted once again and destroyed?

Evil based on the survival need I would say, yet depection of vampires has always in myth held the allure of evil.

i think evil with a touch of humanity to them, why else would they sire someone to spend the rest of time with them. In some of the fiction that i have read about vampires (and not that twilight stuff) some vampire manage to keep a little bit of their soul and feel gulity when taking a human life, some find willing donars and take enough blood to stay alive.

Although vampire lore is based on some deadly and horrific people of the past like Valid the Impaler and Elizabeth Bathory and they were cold blooded killers.

I have to agree with RomaMarieNightwing, he reinforced my previous posting Vampires are survivors....

I believe that vampires CAN be both good and evil. Depends on the vamp themselves and what they experience in their immortality.

I would imagine they are each individual and have their own distinctive traits and personalities. Their is good and evil in all, what you see depends from the veiw point that you analyize.

Hell i like the idea of of being the bad guy,don't have to play by all the sicking rules that some of our kind try to impose upon us so we can look better in the public light.I say put the violence back in vampire,and if people want to label us as "evil beings" don't let them down and maybe give them more than they bargained for.

good or evil its all about choice

It really depends on the person.
Most vampires these days have doners, so I dont see the act we do as "evil"

Ah, the dreeded "vs" theme of all things good or evil, dark or light and the list goes on and on and on.

The Line is not broken in two, it is in fact a single line from one point to another and the middle of it is called the neutral point. The truth is, the good or evil is not a matter of fact, but a truth in choices. And just like any other choice, the one(s) made have action and reaction (cause and effect... and forget the education level just accept it).

The mind is a playground and the truth is ones moral or ethical values play a part in their choices.

If you don't want to take sides, become a real Neutral and Respect, Accept and Honor all Equally without labels!

I don't think you can categorize a whole race by the action of the few.
Vampyres are carnivores, so are humans, and many mammals. The difference is I don't have to KILL you to feed. Sure you may feel a little weak, ans really thirsty, but I can leave you alive.

So true! One can feed without draining their victim dry...LOL!

Good or Evil, it's all in who you are.

Evil or good, vampires are just like humans we all crave something.

perception of human ethics which give the statement good or evil

It seems to me that vampires are neither inherently good, nor inherently evil as these are strictly human concepts & deeds. Having postulated that, would it be evil to want to become a vampire?

I agree with just about everyone else on this forum: Vampires are good and evil. But let's take it a step further. If a vampire is a fledgling then they can be considered 'evil' because their bloodlust is almost uncontrollable. Solitary vampires can be considered evil or nuetral because they A) never interfere with humans unless to feed or B) they have been driven crazy by power, the realization of eternity, and/or loneliness. Vampires who have maintained their humanity from the beginning or have lived long enough to realize that they miss being mortal tend to be considered 'good' because they respect and even idolize humans. They love, care, and protect humans, and humans, in turn, respect and love them.

I quite have to agree with Hardbiter. It doesn't matter what race or type of being you are, there is always going to be good and evil present. It is the way of the cosmos. You can have balance without both present.

I agree with the the state ment that with evry person their is good and evil and this can be said the same for vampire or lycan or what have no matter race or creed