Vampires and werewolves are a staple of scary Halloween folklore, but they may actually have been born out of medical conditions.
A Spanish neurologist believes the blood sucking lore of vampires originated with a major rabies epidemic in Europe in the 1700's.
Dr. Juan Gomez-Alonso came up with his theory when watching a classic horror movie. "I watched the film more as a doctor than as a spectator, and I became so impressed by some obvious similarities between vampires and what happens in rabies, such as aggressiveness and hypersexuality."
Rabies is a viral infection transmitted in the saliva of infected animals. Although rabies is rare today, it does have a nearly 100 percent mortality rate.
What are the connections between rabies and vampires?
In his research, Gomez-Alonso found that 25 percent of rabid men "have a tendency to bite others." Rabies intensifies sexual and aggressive activities, and Gomez-Alonso says biting is common with both.
Another symptom of rabies, hypersensitivity, could be the cause of the vampire's aversion to garlic and mirrors. "Men with rabies ... react to stimuli such as water, light, odors or mirrors with spasms of the facial and vocal muscles that can cause hoarse sounds, bared teeth and frothing at the mouth of bloody fluid," he said.
Vampire's voracious sexual appetite and nocturnal habits can also be attributed to rabies. It affects the parts of the brain that help regulate sleep cycles and sexual behavior.
What about werewolves? They may have had hypertrichosis or hirsutism.
It's an endocrine malfunction that causes excessive hair growth over the entire body. The condition can develop with age as the result of hormonal irregularities, or be a genetic trait present at birth. Men with hypertrichosis tend to have hair all over their bodies, while women with the condition exhibit thick hair growth in patches.
Hypertrichosis has become less common as humans evolved. In the past, people with the condition have appeared in circuses as "wolf-men" or "dog-boys."
---I got this from: http://www.mydna.com/resources/news/200510/news_20051030_vampires_werewolfs.html
Good article. Gonna check that web site.
Rabies and vampirism...interesting point of view.
Vampires are real 100% because I am one you don't belive me to bad I go out at night and suck the blood of others like friends and it tastes good it really does I may not look like one but I am still don't belive me come to WI and find me you'll get a bite out of it.
i still think its only a theory and more like a myth. i mean symptoms like biting or hypersensitivity dont make you a vampyre, do they? or intense hair growth doesnt make you a werewolf.
i think that sooner or later his theory will be proven to be a theory and nothing more
There are a lot of theories as you can see from other threads,I'm going to mention werewolves for example,in a site I've found that it happens because of a liquid...theories theories that's all.
Still it's interesting to search for info,after all isn't it the truth that everyone wants?
well what would you say about the various ancient religions which had a vampire of some sort under different names always in existence? I don't think the idea first originated at that time..
Yes the theory of vampires is being mentioned since life existed....
I think anything that goes back such a long way MUST have some truth in it; what THAT is I don`t know. The theory seemed interesting and it should explain away some cases, not all though.
that was extremely interesting...i've never thought about vampirism and rabies...thanks for the info
Wow, Ive never thought of it that way either. I can see how that theory serves as an explanation to vampirism.
But Im gonna stick with my idea that vampirism is a state of mind, one that a person creates themselves to aid their personalities, wants or needs and their overall aspect on life.
Saying vampires exist purely because you are supposedly one isn't fact or proof. How/why are you a vampire? Back it up with reasoning. I certainly am not saying they don't but the " they exist because I am" defense doesn't prove anything.
Very interesting. This could account for many of the past events that were blamed on vampires.
according to the Bible in certain excerpts Adam's first wife who was called lillith is supposed to be a vampire-proving that the legend goes back quite some ways
Interesting theory but there are 100% real Vampires out there you just have to look hard enough.
But maybe that was there way of scientifcally rationalzing The vampire lifestyle. To make people not beileve in vampires because they feared them.
(sorry for my spelling)
Yes fear can bring people to use far out excuses to coverup somethin or what not. But vampires are secretive creatures so how they were found out is beyond me.
Yea I found that article while doing my research paper. I don't say I nessiacarily agree but I won't say its wrong.
Humanity fears the unknown so sometimes they bring on theories to make themselves they solved something.
Uhmmm... as to that question,maybe thee first vampires didn't know what they are and showed themselves or maybe someone was ''caught''?
In my opinion they are real. I have seenthings that most have not. I will check those sites to see what those have though. I kow for sure that there are vampires, and for lycans I believe so as well.
I am torn between real and fake. There may be, and there may not. I might find out someday, I doubt it though. . .
Vampries are real, and there are many types. There are also other creatures. However, I do not belive in Lychens, i suppose they can be real if one is a shapeshifter and decides to change into one.
I myself stay true to the children of darkness, and the paranormal.
every myth starts from a truth... so...
i dont think they're just legends
vampires are real and i don't know about lycans...anything is possible...
They exist. But to prove that is harder said than done. For most of them both Vamp and Lycans stay far from the light as nesacarry for survival and Adams first wife was a vamp
You can find truth in many tales. But many truths don't mean anything is Real.
Never thought of it that way....but I believe them to be real....just like i believe in ghosts and other "mythological" creatures...
um well when a animal or humans has rabies they can't live very long unless treated
wow.....till now i believed that vampires really exist but after this post...well...some doubts have woken up in me. gotta find more about it, it's really interesting
I'll take them as myths, aldo my mind would rather like the thought of such to be true.
a theroy is a point of view that somthing that is not proven i think that vampires and warewolves are 100% real because some ginitik mutation may be present some animals have the same orgains as humans so to be able to mutate them together would be difficult but posible say u lost part of the brain and the mixed it with that of a wolf some wolf traits will occer and 4 vampires a simple thirst 4 blood adn a nightly habbet will get u accused of being a vampire so im not dabling on the subject and if the post is to long 4 u than find ur own opinion and compolain to me
Interesting....I never would have related vampirism and rabies....thanks for the info.
I enjoyed reading this entry. I never thought that rabies and vampires were connected, but I have heard that rabies causes a desire to bite. Thank you for this information
I believe that over time.. what people believe to exist differs from what actually did.. take for example the bible did jesus exist or was he just a crazed man.. people make up reasons for things to occur so things make sense to them eg vampires and rabies
Rabies and hirsutism explains how some individuals were thought to be vampires or werewolves in the past, but not all!
There are *real* vampires... and there are real "other creatures and entities" out there! Science has much yet to explain... Until science proves it, many will persist in believing that these life forms do not exist!
I'm sure that there are a number of medical conditions, both physiological and psychological, the contribute to the legend of the vampire and werewolf. Superstition, fear, and misunderstanding probably have a large part to do with it as well. There are many powerful entities that have propogated the myth and legend of these creatures for their own purposes.....whether for political, religious or other reasons. I think the true story of the vampire and werewolf (or werebeast) has so many influences over the centuries, it may be impossible to determine where it all truly started.
Interesting article. I know that another theory lies in the fact that after a few weeks in the ground, the blood in a human body will rise to the surface of the skin, giving the face a rosy look, and, if any of the blood gets into the stomach, it will leak out of the mouth. So when villagers opened the coffin to check for a vampire causing a rash of misfortune, they would invariably find one.
The blood drinking, insides not alive yet still living vampires that have lived for hundreds, thousands of years? Don't exist... in my opinion. But it would be pretty awesome if they did... and they weren't out simply for vengeance or survival.
Good article. Gonna check that web site.
Rabies and vampirism...interesting point of view.
vampires are real actually, cultists who dedicate their life to darkness
everything has a reason:
bloodlust: a liking for blood and a mental notion that they cant live without it
pale skin: being out of the sun for long periods of time makes the pigment of ur skin decrease
superhuman strength: it can be trained for very long, either that or reinforced through the mind(the mind is a powerfull thing indeed)
sun burns: associates with the pale skin, u burn very quickly because u have nothing to protect you
red eyes or bloodshot eyes: your eyes need sunlight or else the pigment in them will also fade and red will start showing
fangs: sharpened or born with mostly
well thats what i believe, kinda a cultist way really
however me saying this does not mean its the truth, its an idea and opinion
I have found this at this site I think it is a good read
http://www.nascr.net/~jcburd/cofc_lycanthrope.htm
Lycanthropes, or werecreatures, are actually humans that have gained the ability to alter their form into that of a specific type of beast. This power occurs as the result of having been afflicted with a disease known as lycanthropy. The most common and well documented of such individuals are werewolves but many variations exist including werebear, wererat and weretiger.
In human form these creatures appear to be the same as a normal human, although they may inherit subtle physical and behavioural traits in connection with their associated animal.
Contrary to popular belief, lycanthropes are not ruled by the cycle of the moon. While a full moon may increase the calling of the animalistic side of their nature, it's merely a heightened awareness of an innate sense that exists in all living creatures.
A lycanthrope can assume animal form as required. After the change it retains the thought processes of its human state but can no longer speak in its human tongue. Werecreatures can, however, communicate with other animals of their weretype as well as being able to perform any abilities normally associated with them.
In addition to assuming human and animal form some lycanthropes are able to halt their transformation before it is fully complete. This is usually a skill practiced by more aggressive individuals because it utilises the advantages of both forms. The strength, reflexes and heightened senses of their animal side combined with the manual dexterity of a human makes for a dangerous adversary. Add to this combination such likelihoods as: a short temper, a craving for fresh meat or even a headache and you could be faced with a frenzied mass of fur, fangs and claws.
Slowing down a lycanthrope that may have taken a disliking to the colour of your shirt is a less than straightforward process. When not in human form, these creatures can only be harmed through the use of silvered weapons or magic. Another useful piece of knowledge in these confrontations relates to a lycanthrope's intolerance to a plant known as wolfsbane. Facing a creature that's out for your blood may not seem the smartest course of action when brandishing nothing more than sprig of vegetation, but contact with the plant is enough to stop a lycanthrope in its tracks and may even send it at full tilt in the opposite direction.
A lycanthrope has no use for weapons and all attacks are made with teeth and claws. If killed, these creatures will revert back to their human form. Surviving an encounter with a lycanthrope may, at first, seem like a cause for celebration but, as you tend to your wounds, be wary of the creature's legacy and the chance that it may have shared it with you. Whether you killed the beast or merely sent it packing is of no consequence. If it wounded you deep enough during the confrontation, it may well have infected you with lycanthropy.
An infected human will become a lycanthrope (of the type encountered) in anything from a couple of days to a few weeks. This duration depends on the depth of the infected wound and the victim's general level of health. In most cases symptoms do not usually begin to appear until half the time has elapsed. It is possible to have the infection removed through magical healing, but only if sought before the disease has fully taken hold.. The treatment can be extremely expensive, but first someone with knowledge of the correct procedure must be found. This can be tricky - especially when you're pushed for time.
It is perhaps worth noting that lycanthropy is a disease that only affects humans in this way. For dwarves, elves and other such beings, once it has run its course the infection proves to be fatal instead of turning them into a werecreature.
For some, a lycanthrope's condition is not seen as a curse but as something to embrace. Druids (members of a religious sect that worships nature) aim to achieve and maintain a balance with all natural life. Their devotion to this cause allows them to use spells to further their work and to communicate with plants and animals. Some druids, however, strive to get even closer to nature and, seeing lycanthropy as being the tool for the job, they purposefully infect themselves with the disease.
I can see the relation between rabbies and werewolves but not vampires but I have articles in my journal that supports the theory of vampirism is in fact a virual condition.
oh I can tell you these creatures people say are myths but I can say that from experience with the werewolf and the vampire have been true and I can't really say that they hurt me really they looked me in the eye's and ran off but I think something weird might have happened to me with both of them some how they both let me walk up to them and I chatted with the vampire but the werewolf let me pet it for some reason and it didn't try killing me for some odd reason and it was weird but he still shows up once in a while but I found the vampire out in the streets at night on my way home from school it was like anywhere from 9-11 PM and I chatted with him and he didn't try biting me for some reason I don't know why
First, thank you for having a good article to bring to the table.
Second, your right. A good portion of the original cases were medically related without anyone knowing it. Who knows, maybe in the future, when they break our minds down and figure out how we think and such, maybe then there'll even be a group who says..
ahh those poor people, we could have helped them today....
i don't think i like the idea of vampires being humans with rabies but anyway... if you're looking for campiric-like ilnesses, it has been said as well that prople who suffered from porphyria started the vampire idea in the old days... thing is there are so many ancient cultures which involve vampires or vampire-like creatures in their mythology that i find it quite hard to believe that all of that originated simply from an ilness... it's true science wasn't exactly advanced in the old days but sometimes we really underestimate the intelligence of the people at the time.
I have to say that there is a wealth of information persented in this thread, and it is nice to see both side of the discussion, but I myself don't know where I lay, I agree that there are vampires, or at lease indiviuals who think they are vampires, and who are we to say "Prove it". At the same time, I tend to agree with others that say it is primarily in your head, but who know. I have had too many supernatural experiences to just discount them out of hand. Again, great postings.
I heard some where that vampirism is based on medical conditions yes but not rabies but tubercialosis but nice try with the rabies thing!
Vampires are 110% real, werewolves are real too, for the most point anyways. I like your article very well documented.
I must say that I have really enjoyed this discussion, but would like to hear more about the were-wolf side of it. Any more information on that?
i think they do exist but not the way hollywood has portrayed them...they may share some qualities but for the most part they would exist much different to the hollywood stereotype
well when u think about it there must of been something to have based the stories upon....man cannot just imagine...a caveman could not just invent a helicopter...mans mind works on progression...so the stories would of started off as fact with the real vampires and werewolves and would of been stretched into the current hollywood myth
great info details didnt they alsosay another medical problem is to do with the start of vampires. I forgot its true name but what i know of it is that people can actually be allergic to light, there skin hates it and obviouly people where not as well treated back in ole times then now so many doctors to beilieve this skin disease is connected to 'folks tales' just thought i would mechin this on passing
Interesting points here. I still don't think that every case of mythology can be explained with science, but it's good to know that scientists have something to occupy their time. This sort of thing requires a little bit of belief.
Vampirism though has existed for a very long time. I mean it's like a relative to cannibalism. And cannibalism has been something that most creatures has been known to do in an act of desporation. There's some creatures who do it anyways. Eat the wounded. I mean, even ancient cultures have been doing it. Believing that perhaps by eating of an individual that they would gain their strengths. In many cases the same concept has been seen with vampirism. There's many animals and creatures that survive only on blood itself. Hell there's even a finch that has a consisting diet of blood.
Maybe the whole bit about rabies popularized vampires as dangerous creatures. Any true vampires around this site would more then likely agree that we're not all agressive or have nympho characteristics (humans in general are like that).
And other then rabies. What about porphyria? Even professionals has refered to this disease as "the vampire disease" or " the werewolf disease".
"PORPHYRIA is rarely diagnosed because it's symptoms mimmic other, more common diseases and ailments. These symptoms include abdominal and/or back pain (tolerable at first but increasing in intensity within 24-48 hours), nausea, vomiting, constipation, tachycardia, hypertension, pain in limbs, neck, head and chest, muscle weakness, sensory loss, fine tremors, restlessness, excess sweating, anxiety, insomnia, depression, sun sensitivity, disorientation, paranoia, and skin lessions. Some types also present symptoms of flourescent teeth, receding gums, excess hair and fingernail growth. "
People with Porphyria tend to be photosensative. If anyone wants to learn more about Porphyria I would suggest reading about "Porphyria; The Woman who has the 'Vampire' Didease" by Tammy Evan, it's a good read and maybe you'll learn something.
Medical science has always tried to prove falsehood in legend for as long as scientists has been around. Yeah I heard about the symptoms and diseases before, however rabies is new to me. But the two have been around for ages, and mysterious deaths have yet to be expained, that bore symptoms of the two subjects. Even in America, people still believe in the legends of old. So whether your a vampire or a werewolf like me, what you believe in your heart is all the proof you ever really need.
It's an interesting theory, but I don't know that I would put much stock in it as a viable explaination. There are too many cases of such beings having been reported or believed to have existed in much earlier times for that to be a true explaination for the origin of the myths and legends.
But still an interesting read.
I really think that they do both exist in a way out there in this world somewhere but only a few people know where they are.
We doubt what we fear, and we fear what we do not know.
Do I think vampirism is real? Yep.
Do I think Lycanthropy is real, sure.
Why? Because I can't prove it isn't. As said before, the mentioning of vampires goes back a long time. Even Attilla the Hun, before the infamous Vlad Tepes was mentioned, was accused by some records as drinking/draining the blood of his victims because it gave him their power.
though it is a intriguing theory, its a theory non the less. i wouldnt begin to know or want to if everything like vampires or werewolves started off but diseases or whatnot.
I enjoyed reading this entry. I never thought that rabies and vampires were connected, but I have heard that rabies causes a desire to bite.
There are people in this room that believe they are vampires and they will bring that thught with them to the grave.
*bites tounge to a certain response*
well..all myths have a basis in truth in them. Somewhere someone had one of these conditions and the stupidity of people and the fear of the abnormal created lies and stories to make themselves feel better and to have that superiority above others.
you just have to keep an open mind and know when your dealing with a poser and when you are actually dealing with someone who has the true condition...
the world if full of nuts..some a little cracked up then others *winks*
*bites tounge to a certain response*
well..all myths have a basis in truth in them. Somewhere someone had one of these conditions and the stupidity of people and the fear of the abnormal created lies and stories to make themselves feel better anf to have that superiority above others.
you just have to keep an open mind and know when your dealing with a poser and when you are actually dealing with someone who has the true condition...
the world if full of nuts..some a little cracked up then others *winks*
im sure there are truths to the stories and they all may have exsisted and or still exsist but i doubt that a vampire would get online sign into a chat and divouge such information about them selfs i mean seriously i wouldnt walk in the room with a bunch of slayers and say hey im a vampire id hide and watch from afar making statements such as these
You Right on mor than one thing. I'm totally printing it out :)
love Zani
I agree that many people on this site are do believe and know that vampires and Lycanthropes are real, and will take that to the end of their existance. Myself, I do believe that they do exist in some form. Myth can tend to distort things, so what we call vampires today, may not have been what they were 3 thousand yrs ago.
Theory of vampires and questions about them existed ever since people existed...many just tried to proove the existance...
A very thought provoking theory. I tend to think there may be a little more truth to the vampire story however. Everyone says if they exist why haven't we found proof? I respond by saying that that is like asking a dog to prove humans exist.He sees them everyday but simply can't make that leap of comprehension. Well, humans may be a level or below the vampire on the evolutionary ladder and the truth may be staring right at us and we just can't comprehend.
Many religions have stories/ accounts of humans living hundreds of years before their death. In the issue of 'vampires have to be immortal/ centuries old,' this is my contribution. I was not around when people (supposedly?) lived that long, so I cannot (dis)prove it. Likewise, I was not around when vampires and werewolves originated.
Take it for or against the argument at hand, I'm still trying to figure out my beliefs.
Interresting reading this thread...
And agree with most and brings me to idea's to usae in rpg's :D
People have ideas to make excuses for what they don't want to see as real. They try to explain it away.
A theory cannot be proven to be a theory, lordvampirio. It can either be proven or falsified. For my part, I believe that these similarities are coincidental. But I admit that it is a captivating thought.
maladies or myths? they are both. all myths come from simple truths thats have been stretched out over time. there have been a great deal of documentories done on this exact topic over the last 15 years. there are many sicknesses that prompt certain behavoir that mimics vampyrism and lycanthropy.
but never discount the power of the mind either.
a strong belief in something can bring about the same behavior. if someone truely bleaves they are a vampire, and they emulate that to its fullest, then you do in fact have a real life vampire. no one in this tread has been wrong in there opinions or beliefs. your all in fact correct.
That is a fascinating theory and might explain some of the vampire legends, though I would agree it does not explain all of them.
As for the hypertricosis my daughter has that, and it's not always prominent enough to warrant a "wolf man" nickname. Though I can definitely see people 1000 years ago thinking that it is.
i don't believe there is a true way of telling if they were ever real or fake, maybe a little of both?
i agree with what you said, they could of existed years ago, they may still do.. they may just be stories to frighten people.
This is the most interesting thread i've read on here so far. I've heard many theories as to the existence of beings such as vamps and lycanths over the years, but i've never heard of the rabies theory about vampires. Very interesting.
For my part, I'd always thought that Vampirism in the more 'hollywood' guise began in Whitby with Bram Stoker, when he took the legend of Vlad Tepes and created Dracula made sense. For a writer, the thought of a bloodthirsty tyrant who allegedly used to feast on his victims would no doubt spark the imagination. Then theres a theory I heard that vampires, that is the blooddrinking variety, lack something in their own bodies, the way anaemics lack iron, that makes them crave nutrients from outside sources. Much like a Diabetic will need insulin injected as their bodies cannot produce it.
As for werewolves, the theory i'd always stuck to was based on the disease Lycanthropy, which caused its sufferers to believe they could shapeshift, eat flesh and generally act animalistic during a full moon. Its been a while since I read up on werewolves though, so I could have the details wrong. I seem to remember the rumours about shapeshifters started with a french prince in the 16th century who died, yet was seen days later covered in fur and howling like a wolf. Again, this is from memory so I could be wrong!
I know from studying the Craft that mental shapeshifting is possible by performing rituals that enable you to 'become one' with an animal form. I've never tried it myself, but its a fascinating ritual. I may post it when I find the relevant book in my vast collection!
So anyway, theres my contribution to this fantastic topic.