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MaximusPain
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I would like to know how the myth of the vampire connects with the werewolf.Come On........Lets see your responses.




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I'd have to suggest it is because they are both altered states of being a human being which links them.

Then there is the early Hollywood movies where Dracula, the Wolfman and Frankenstien were their choice of horror films and so became the best known. I think it was during this time that the supposed "war" between vampires and werewolves was introduced.



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Nice Response..



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They both can shift shape,
both are strong.

The vampire is more active at night, as the werewolf.



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Psychosocially, the connection is apparent. Both creatures not only grow from human substrate, as it were, but also express and transcend multiple societal taboos and unspoken desires. To illustrate some:

Cannibalism - which lends itself toward limitless consumption, overt and un-restricted sexuality - especially taboo since the first victims are often family, amorality(ie..beyond good and evil), hedonistic power, superiority, transcendence of death sans God or salvation, the illusion of "becoming" special or ultimately unique among peers, and lastly, to common need for affliction(martyrdom) in the more modern sense - Louis de Pointe du Lac syndrome, if you will.

From an Occult standpoint though, vampires and lycanthropes of lore share a great deal in common. Both use the manipulation of etheric energy to sustain or satisfy their goals. Old French tales of werewolves, for example, often speak of the werewolf as being only partially covered in the wolf form. Sometimes having the head or hands and feet of a man; these reports are all to common among certain Native American tribes and the Norse as well. The vampire, in contrast is dead, and uses this energy to strengthen it's etheric body and resist Second Death.

It is thought that the reason behind this lay in the idea the the werewolf itself is only an illusion based in energy manipulation. The undead vampire uses the same manipulation to affect it's victim's consciousness that they might seen, instead of nothing, the image of the recently dead ..or whatever else. Both endeavors require immense and sustained amounts of etheric energy, and this energy is taken almost exclusively from the victims of both predators.



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so you're saying that the vampire turns into the werewolf?



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Neither exist in real life...they only get connected in books and movies.Yet people continue to connect them as though they are real and not made up.



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I believe MaximusPain was referring to "myth", DarkWolfMan, not perfect facts.



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I think the movement of "paranormal" romance has done a great deal to link them. There is a great variance as to their alliances. They are considered equals by some and enemies by others. I think the connections lie in their differences from humans - they look human and can easily pass for human, but do not have the same morals, needs or limitations. Maybe it goes back to human nature wanting to expand and be "more"....just some thoughts...



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They are linked in myth bc of two facts one the old "blood war" that is between them and bc hollewoodloves to lump them toghter



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Even "Myth" there is no mention of "vampires" and "werewolves" in the same breath.

Underworld is the reason so many people link them together...other then the movie from the 1930s where Dracula and the Wolfman meet or or Van Helsing now...there is no link with them.Unless they are mentioned in a novel..people tend to mix up myth with Hollywood stories.



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While that statement would be generally correct, it isn't precisely true. The werewolves of Europe were often thought to transform into vampires after death. Have a look at the vrykolakas. It's worth an examination.



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both are night creatures, and considered evil by the folk lore, yet the two are seldom seen together in movies or fables for the territoral suggestion of the myths.



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Are they? Or is it the movie image that Werewolves protected Vampires while they slept like in Underworld.
Most seem to be like Immortal enemies. Or is it from the shape shifting concept like in Bram Stokers Dracula, the Vampire females and He himself changed into a Wolf to move faster on the ground?



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Is there a difference between myth and hollywood? I would argue no.



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I have never read any myths that mention Vampires and were wolves in the same myth. Keep in mind myths usually stem from real life experiences, however over many many years have just formed into these elaborate stories. FOR EXAMPLE : Hypertrichosis, or werewolf syndrome, is a medical condition that causes the excessive growth of body hair -- typically on the upper body, including the face.
There are only 50 or so documented cases, and sufferers generally acquire it through genetic inheritance. In 2008, scientists at Columbia University found that an injection of testosterone significantly helped in long-term hair loss in patients with hypertrichosis; the finding was hailed by many as a cure. This condition was in no doubt around in earlier times, considering the amount of documented cases now, there was most likely a few in earlier times which may have started the Myths.



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To me, there are two reasons for this connection:

A) Hollywood connected the two as immortal enemies and

B) People can relate to them more because vampires and werewolves were once human, and many individuals LOVE the idea of being completely immortal, or being able to change into something they are not.



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Very interesting, and illuminating.

My initial take is that they both reflect the id, the unrestrained, sensual side of humanity: the animal, if you will.

Each uses scent and transforms. Each has a moral quandary, perhaps shame, when not hunting. There is a certain loyalty at play: the wolf to the pack, the vampire to her created family. Neither wants to be alone.



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05:00:57 Aug 07 2009
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In the White Wolf Genre the WereWolves refer to
Vampire as Wyrm.



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Yeah, I agree with ~Nightgame's~ response... I would blame it on the conjunction of Dracula meets the Wolfman in the early Hammer Horror movies. it just stuck so to speak.



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I would have to agree.
They both are altered states of a human being.






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Both the vampire and the werewolf are predators, both hunt and know the thrill that comes when the prey is finally helpless and ready to be consumed.

They are both shapeshifters, the werewolf from man/woman to wolf, the vampire from the human form to mist, wolf, rat



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Like predators as we know, they are very territoral in the case of these myths would they not be in fact the same. so how in that sense would they be connected?

As once humans is the similiarity for the change.



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Its more than that. It has to do with how words change in usage over time. Also because the book Dracula is so famous and Bram Stoker mixed the two myths together in his novel. He got a lot of information from Baring-Gould's book on Werewolves. There are other examples but this is one in particular. Most of it is just how superstition culturally evolved.

Here is an excerpt from one of my articles:

Even though Romanians use this term, “the word vârcolac is a loan from Slavic (cf. Bulgarian vǎlkolak, Serbian vukodlak), originally meaning "werewolf" (etymologically "Wolf's Fur"). However, the term has come to denote mostly vampires in Balkan Slavic folklore. Nevertheless, the idea that the vârkolak is a wolf that swallows the sun and the moon is also attested in North-Western Bulgaria. The pricolici is another form of vârcolac, also resembling a werewolf.”1

“A vǎrkolak (Bulgarian върколак) or vǎlkolak is an undead revenant or monster in Bulgarian folklore. Its name is derived from a common Slavic term, which means were-wolf in most Slavic languages as well as in modern literary Bulgarian, and is originally a compound of вълк /vǎlk, "wolf"/ and длака /dlaka, "fur"/. Nevertheless, the creature as described in original folklore is more similar to a vampire.”3 The reason for this is because it can be denoting any creature that is “wolf-like.”

Sometimes the word Vrykolakas or Vorvolakas is used interchangeable to mean were-wolf or vampire. This Greek word means someone undead but it really isn’t specific. Nowadays it has been equated more with the vampire even though it wasn’t exactly that in the beginning. They are not known to actually drink blood. Even though the original words meant were-wolf somehow the legends of the vampire and the were-wolf have gotten crossed as the word literally means “wolf fur” in most languages of the area.

The Greeks believed that it was actually after death that one would become a Vrykolakas. Usually they were describe as being someone who was heretical in life and perhaps had been excommunicated or ate the meat left behind by a were-wolf or was wounded by one. Some even believed after a were-wolf had been killed they could then return as a powerful vampire. They are said to be killed by being struck by a bolt of lightning or consumed by fire. It appears that some of the confusion may be due to works of fiction and perhaps Hollywood because even a Greek hearing this word might envision Dracula rather than the root meaning of the word.

Here is an excerpt from an account remembered by a Greek immigrant to the United States in 1934, concerning the nature of the Vrykolakas:

“The vrykolakas is the devil. The people hear about him in church and are afraid. No, I never heard of a vrykolakas drinking blood. These tempters (paraphrase for devils), whom people call vrykolakes, kill people. That's why people fear them. When they said to us that in such and such a place a stoechoio comes out, whew! we would never go that way; we feared those beings.

My father would see these beings when he walked at night with my mother; my mother saw nothing.

He looks like a man, like a dog, like anything. He comes out at night. When people die of a contagious disease, and no one will go near them and they bury them without a priest, without anything, they become vrykolakes.”7

There appear to be parallels between the legends of the vampire and those of the were-wolf. Most cultures believe that people can transform into other than human form if not physically through dreams or out of body experiences. Most societies believe the soul lives on and in some they believe that animals have souls. There is every likelihood to believe that the soul of a wolf or for that matter many animals could either share a body or inhabit one for a lifetime.



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Hypertrichosis (Werewolf Syndrome)
Hypertrichosis is a genetic disorder that triggers uncontrolled hair growth due to physical defects like non-functioning of endocrine gland, infections, mutation, malnutrition, drugs or hereditary factors. Also called werewolf syndrome, it leads to hair formation in unwanted areas generally exempting the hands, feet and eyes. Werewolf syndrome is a rare condition which affects only one person among ten billions. Hypertrichosis either originates during birth or develops after a person grows up especially on the verge of puberty. A person affected by hypertrichosis is often devastated since he is physically abnormal and cruel people taunt them.

At least a genetic logical explanation to the History of Werewolves. Scientifically.



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