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A family in Saudi Arabia is taking a "genie" to court, accusing it of theft and harassment, reports say.

They accuse the spirit of threatening them, throwing stones and stealing mobile phones, Al Watan newspaper said.

The family have lived in the same house near the city of Medina for 15 years but say they only recently became aware of the spirit. They have now moved out.

A local court is investigating. In Islamic theology, genies are spirits that can harass or possess humans.

'Get out of the house'

"We began to hear strange sounds," the head of the family, who come from Mahd Al Dahab, told the Saudi daily. He did not want to be named.

"At first we did not take it seriously, but then stranger things started to happen and the children got particularly scared when the genie started throwing stones."

He added: "A woman spoke to me first, and then a man. They said we should get out of the house."

A local court says it is trying to verify the truthfulness of the claims "despite the difficulty" of doing so.

Many Westerners know the term genie from the tale of Aladdin and the magic lamp, or the 1960s American sitcom, I Dream of Jeannie.

But the BBC's Sebastian Usher says genies, or jinn, in Islamic theology can be a lot more sinister.

They are believed to be normally invisible but with the ability to assume human or animal form, and are often said to be motivated by revenge or jealousy.

There is a lingering belief in genies in the Muslim world that predates Islam, our correspondent says.

I got this article from: http://naturalplane.blogspot.com/2009/07/lawsuit-filed-against-genie-in-saudi.html

Do you believe that a genie is truly terrorizing this family?

Why? Why not?

Do you believe in genies?Do you believe they can grant wishes without consequences? Or are there strings attached like in "The Wish Master" series?

I believe in genies. They come off as friendly, but they truly hate being slaves. They will do everything in their power to screw up every wish and possibly kill their master.

Do you believe that a genie is truly terrorizing this family?

Why? Why not?

Do you believe in genies?Do you believe they can grant wishes without consequences? Or are there strings attached like in "The Wish Master" series?


I believe that it may be a ghost that is communicating with the children.

Why? There are intelligent spirits and that might be the case here. An Intelligent spirit may be interacting with the children and communicating through them.

I do not believe in genies. If genies are in some way real they may be able to grant wishes without consequences by choice or depending on the wish there may be no consequences. I've never heard of "The Wish Master" series but there are episodes of Fairly Oddparents with the genie guy in it.

An example of a family in denial of domestic unrest. That or an indirect attempt to call attention to disruptive neighbors. The Tina Resch case is a sad example of how such behavior effects people psycologically. If such activity existed a visual record would be reasonable expected.

Possibly. I don't know because news articles generally don't tell everything. I know these people believe in the Djinn just as much as westerners believe in all sorts of demons. I have always thought the Entity was a Djinn.
I guess it would depend on how superstitious these people are , etc. Anything is possible but believing in Djinn or genies is part of that culture. They supposedly were created before man.

Unless that Djinn is still in the corporeal shape, and not a ghostly apparition, then I am not quite sure how it will state its case. I think the lawsuit is a bunch of hooey and may be dropped just because it is too outlandish to even be considered as a case.

Come on people... Think about it, how the hell can the judge call a GENIE to the STAND? Its a fictional friggin character!!! If it is not a fictional character and does have the ability to "grant wishes" then why the hell is the family filing a lawsuit against it? Did they not get their "supposed" wishes granted?

Ahh well, Is that article really true?
*ponders*

Even then, did the family actually summon the genie or was it there already? *laughs*
Maybe it's just some poltergeist who gets a kick out of freaking the people out..

And why on earth would anyone sane file a lawsuit against a supernatural being??

Hypathetically the " genie" could be granting a second party wish, to scare off undesired neighbors, or they want a shot at the house. Just as well they family is confronted by people ( off privilage or intimadating status) that are best not directly confronted by accusation.

wow i think genies are out for them selfs and hopefully this family will be able to get rid of it

I am unconvinced of the existence of genies and would put it more down to superstition. I am probably a bit too sceptical sometimes but I have been around people who are extremely good at this kind of trickery. Chances are it is a disgruntled neighbour playing tricks, imagination that has come from being scared, or simply that they want to move out without any repercussions.

And I thought ridiculous lawsuits were more of an American art form.
Even if you win, how do you collect from a mythical entity?
You would think this would be thrown out of court but when you realize how many millions of dollars have been awarded in lawsuits that were at least as frivolous as this it makes you wonder.

wow, that just shows the lengths that some people are willing to go to in order to recieve recognition.

Honestly dest, that just sounds like another amityville horror waiting to happen

The worst part about the lawsuit story is that Hollywood might make a movie about it.

I believe in certain entities, and have studied demons that are similar to the Djinn/Jinn, but I don't believe in genies or Djinn.

I thought this article was ridiculous within it's self, but I'm curious as to how are they going to prove such a phenomena? And what compensation will be earned if any? Will the compensation be banishment?

I also wanted to see if anyone believed in such beings and why.

Yeah, just people wanting attention and sympathy if called for. I believe in demons, but I don't believe that they were causing any harm to these people, I think they wanted attention.

According to Moslem tradition, Djinn have free will, just like humans. Mohammad came to teach humans and djinn alike, the difference being that djinn are not entirely material.

Some consider djinn to be lesser angels. I think that it is more likely that djinn are the eastern equivelent of fairies, nature spirits and the like; perhaps they are the eternal spirits of the material plane, as contrasted to our finite material bodies, but immortal soul.

My point is:

If these spirits (Djinn) are governed by God, then they are subject to moslem law, and they would obey the law as any free willed moslem would, if commanded.

What it all comes down to is all spirits are evil no matter what anyone says. It is Satan the Devil and other demons pretending to be a "good" spirit, they do it to get us further from the truth and the new system God has promised His followers. So the genie is really evil and everyone is better off not doing anything to provoke it from talking to it or whatever they wish to do.

Once again, my point was... How the hell is the court supposed to call a "GENIE" to the stand to defend itself???

You presume an entirely western way of dealing with the scenario; a more arbitrary way would have to be discovered for the case; perhaps a shamanistic approach of some kind.

Perhaps a commitee of Sufi, Sunni, Zoroastrian, Shi'i and other spiritual scholars could be sent to "reason" with the Djinn (at it's last known residence) and plead for it's compliance under (moslem) law. Of course enforcement would be difficult; but the petition could be made.

Laws are a societal crutch for a decayed society anyway, and arbitration (with a creature of this nature) is much more harmonious, if less expedient and profitable, than current western/internation/moslem legal systems can accomodate.

It would be interesting as a model for legal reform, to a more harmonious, less hurtful, system of problem resolution, between parties. Exciting new models are being explored adn developed by forward thinking students, especially between aborigional rights/traditions and treaty/national law.

Excuse me ~Kglitterous~, but the initial post of this thread stated that there is an apparent "LAWSUIT" filed against said "GENIE". Thus my conclusion of how the bloody hell is a "GENIE" going to be called to testimony on the stand? PHYSICALLY, this is improbable.

This case is before a Shariah Court. Moslem Law is based on tradition and the Koran. These courts deal with spiritual and moral governance of moslems and their traditions.

Part of the wiki text:

"Muslim or Islamic law, both civil and criminal justice as well as regulating individual conduct both personal and moral. The custom-based body of law based on the Koran and the religion of Islam. Because, by definition, Muslim states are theocracies, religious texts are law, the latter distinguished by Islam and Muslims in their application, as Sharia or Sharia law."[6]

"a discussion on the duties of Muslims," —Hamilton Alexander Rosskeen Gibb[7]

***
"a long, diverse, complicated intellectual tradition," rather than a "well-defined set of specific rules and regulations that can be easily applied to life situations," —Hunt Janin and Andre Kahlmeyer[8]
***

"a shared opinion of the [Islamic] community, based on a literature that is extensive, but not necessarily coherent or authorized by any single body," —Knut S. Vikor[9]

*Note the text that I bold

So let me get this straight, if I were living in Saudi Arabia, and I wanted to garner attention for myself.. Then I could make up a fabrication that a spirit were harrassing me and appeal to the court for the spirit to stop, then there would be no arguement?

How absurd.

I believe in jinn, they are real. End of post. Thank you

I do not denie their existance, I simply mock any individual that has a "court case" against them. Get real people.

Suing a Genie... well that just takes the cake.. maybe if I get attacked by a vampire or werewolf I will sue them for turning me... lmao.

As for believing in a genie well we do live in a weird and wonderful world where you can apparently sue genies, so therefore they obviously exist lmao... says so in the court of law!

Obtuse? You are claiming that "Genie's" are segragated as women were... Thus, generalizing them, as if they were as corporeal as you and I.

Corporeal has nothing to do with it.

There are many people that believe that animals have rights; there are peopel that believe that humans do not have the right to take oil from the earth in rapine fashion; there were (and probably still are) people who believe women (or minority groups) shouldn't own property (or that they are property;) and there are cultures that believe that spirits and totems deserve respect, or are culpable for events.

Western peoples have intangables for which they feal desecration, as much as shariah law (like cannibalism, erspect for teh dead, &c.) There are even people that feal that evolution should not be desecrated... which is no more tangable than Djinn.

I'm saying that just because you cannot see the possibility for a Djinn to be subject to Shariah Law, even though they are expressly subject to it in the documents and traditions apon which the law is based; does not give you authority to mock, that which you cannot believe to be true... just as there are people that would have mocked the validity of the sufferagette movement, based on something as intangable as the inequality of the female soul.

Long story short, I was refering to corporeal as in PHYSICALLY here. Animals do have rights, as well as women, and other races for that matter.

But, when it comes down to it... Are we suggesting that anything "metaphysical" IE spirits, wraiths, djinn, shadow people, angels and demons... All have rights by physical law in certain countries?

This is all that I am asking.

Ok, I have a solution:

Let's all wait for someone in that darn family to die, and then it'll become an Emily Rose kinda situation.

How's that?

And I will be able to go watch a nice film on that story..

*smilez*

Yes noncorporeal things have rights and responsabilities under the law. Churches, Businesses, Polititions, and even Lawyers, all represent noncorporeal entities. The law also represents the long dead and burial rights (spirits). Some groups, such as pipecarriers and medicine men of America, shaman of Asia, as well as the Shinto, have laws regarding "nature" spirits , which their governments respect.

Regardless, Governments and Nationstates are not the only entities that make laws. Islam, and Christianity also have laws for which they hold their adherents responsable. As Mahmud (according to tradition) was sent to the Djinn, as well as to mankind, the djinn are responsable to Moslem law... thus it is in Shariah court... not the Saudia Arabian court. Most of the news reports on this case have substituted teh word "local" in place of "Shariah," it is in Shariah court, not local court.

It would be like a Lawyer being disbared, or an actor having their SAG revoked, or a priest being excommunicated in rome. Granted, Shariah court has a lot of authority in moslem theocracies, just like I wouldn't want to be accused of heresies in France not too long ago.

In my mined i would ask what they did to dishoner the gen? the way i understand it they will not attack unless somthing was done to them first

what DO you do to provoke a djinn?

Ask the "Djinn", according to ~Kglitterous~ they exist and can promote their own McDonalds chain if so desired.

We have somehow gone from discussing something frivolous and absurd and it has evolved into a discussion that seems to be trying to add legitimacy to the ridiculous. I have to agree with vvSoulShroudevv here.
I wonder if Genies want fries with their Big Macs.

"Lawsuit Filed Against 'Genie' In Saudi Arabia ". Wow, what those Arabian do for attention. No, I don't believe and Genie because they are created by the imagination of the writer of books for kids. Any adult, that think, that genie exist, I respect your believe, but, I do think you are wrong. There is no facts in any country through the middle east, reflecting the existence of such of creature. And if I am wrong, let me know, I do know some good lawyers that will represent the genie for free, as pro bono.

Maybe this "Genie" can be President of the U.S?

If the Genie does get sued, whatif the Genie Strikes back? Whatif the whole world starts to use nukes on the Genie?

How about something called "evidence", if a Genie is real?

Thats the biggest load of old mist i have heard so far lol, how is the law going to punish a genie .... put a cork in his lamp ?

The lawsuit is a waste of time. It's basically the same thing as bringing locusts to trial for destroying a crop. Neither of them will show up, and humans wind up looking like a bunch of fruitcakes.

It wouldn't be the first time that humans looked like fruitcakes. Hell, humans invented the fruitcake. And nobody to this day can figure out why.
Maybe it was to entice irritable Genies.

I know this thread is ridiculous, absurd, ludicrous, and even down-right hilarious.

But can we keep it serious, not entirely serious, but enough to keep this a discussion.

But honestly how is a djinn provoked???

Is the family encroaching on it's space or land?

Does it just not like them?

Maybe the family rubbed the genies house-lamp too much and it was time for some payback, either way couldn't the genie summon a good-ass lawyer? I mean what are they thinking? going against a genie.

By an educated guess, the Djinn could be provoked much in the same way a human could. Of course, finding either one on the same side of the mirror would be like winning the lottery.

I am SO SORRY dest but every stinkin time I try to follow this thread I automatically think of the genie from the movie aladdin!!

Anyway, yeah I heard a woman tried to sue god because her husband died or something like that. This really sounds like the same thing. Someone trying to get their face on the news

It's okay, Euterpe. lol

Anyways, I'm just confuzzled. I wonder what actions would take place if the law suit was filed in the United States?

I know, I would love seeing the D.A.'s face before it was presented to a judge, or the judges also.

There days you could file a lawsuit against anyone or anything about anything. So silly.

This is amazing! What a story! How are they planning on getting the money from the Genie? Did I miss that?

Does the genie sound like Robin Williams? Is it blue?

I lived in Saudi for over a year. I just got back actually in June. Fascinating. Not surprising. Medina is the second largest islamic cities. I tried to visit but I wasn't allowed- non-muslim. Saudis are very very spiritual people and very superstitious. I don't believe in genies per say. My ideas are far more broad. I believe in bad juju, bad energy left behind that can manifest itself. You can call it a ghost, a genie, a spirit, or a phantom; many names but the same thing to me.

It sounds like this family has extra oil money to spend on a lawyer to get fifteen minutes of fame. I don't doubt their belief in genies, but seriously how is the genie going to take the stand?

The djinn is probably laughing at this idea- having to endure the rules of mortals without being bound to some silly lamp or other trinket for servitude.


Perhaps the family did not word their wish carefully enough, or maybe this particular djinn is malicious. Spirits are like people in how they all have different personalities.

Given all the evidence for the existence of spirits, I do think it's fully possible that it exists- anyone who claims Djinni can't possibly exist clearly hasn't seen enough in the way of the scientific proof that exists out there.

I'm just amazed that they're suing it. That's like trying to sue termites. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to hire an exorcist? I'm sure they're less expensive than lawyers.

Which leads to the question: what exactly are they seeking to GAIN from suing said genie? I don't think supernatural beings carry cash...

(And if it's a criminal case, how do they prosecute? I hardly think they need the judge's stamp of approval to hire the aforementioned exorcist.)

Reading all the responses in this thread has been really interesting. Personally I don't believe in Djinn and find it rather amusing that they are attempting to sue one in court.

This could be a case of “look at me”

What people woulden't do for money. Come on now, how dense do you have to be? Sue a 'genie', get real.

this is laughable.
i don't believe in genies personally.

what i do believe is either its fake or a ghost. the latter being very possible.

Kglitterous-
If I'm understanding you corerectly, gathering these religious scholars - Sufis, Muslims, etc - to deal with the djinn would be comparable to summoning Catholic priests to preside over an exorcism?
And if that's the case, the only thing that they'd get out of it is documentation for their records, per se. In other words, they could find the djinn guilty, have it in writing as a declaration...and that's pretty much it. There won't be any apologies, admissions, or payment of any fines.

How can you sue a supernatral being or a person claiming to control such a being. What a waste a time of any court that see's thist case through

Not exactly... I am thinking of it more in terms of if you have a good bylaw officer in your community, and he comes over to settle a grievance between two neighbors who are both devout (insert denomination here) but are arguing about chemical pesticides. One party insists that they need the pesticide/fertilizer to make their grass grow green for their home and Garden photo contest, while the other is trying to grow prize oragnic tomatoes. The bylaw officer talks to both parties. The pesticide using neighbor can be appealed to by the bylaw officer to settle teh dispute by appealing to their (insert denomination here) ethics of being good to your neighbor.

As there is no law being broken (except disturbing the peace) that the "court" has jurisdiction over... an appeal to an "authority" that they DO both respect, may aleviate the infraction of disturbance of teh peace, for which teh court IS responable.

Or something to that effect.

“There won't be any apologies, admissions, or payment of any fines.”

I think the act of the alleged disturbance shows a disregard for the law anyway. The Genie has broken the law no matter how you look at it, even if the Genie is working for another party. The Genie must know the rules and is obviously choosing to ignore them...lol

However the act of the Geni stopping any further disturbance may be deemed as an apology or admission of guilt to the fact that the Geni is causing the said disturbance...lol So either way the Genie will lose!

I wish the Genie would cause a disturbance in my house... oh know I made a wish *evil chuckles*

I can't believe this is still on here...

I don't believe in genies. Mythical fairy tales.

Genies don't exist...that's why I stated that there wouldn't be any apologies or payment of fines.

Can a Staff PLEASE shut this thread down.

I know lol...I was just playing ^^ I do not believe in them lol

Indeed this has gone on quite a long time. Cross your arms and blink.......the thread is now closed.