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Vampire, Pagan, Wiccan etc etc ,,,,,,,, whatever you follow or are, is it something that's born with you ?? or do we develop this side of us later in life ?? is this 'what we are' already born within us ??

I believe that you choose these paths of your own free will. As you grow, certain things may happen and you'll attribute significance to them in any way you choose. To say we are born with it, to me, would imply an intelligent or "guiding" force in nature. It would also imply the acceptance of fate, stating either that everything happens to a preconceived end..or at least the whatever happens is irrelevant, because meaning has already been chosen for you. Since I believe that these choices are choices, I cannot accept the former. In the case of Vampirism, however, I see it as relative to predatory instinct. That's just my opinion, though.

im sure you can both be born wth and develop iy

I think that it is both, some are born with it and some choose to be it.

i think you can be born into it, or you can chose to follow it if you believe it :)

I think that matbe it is on our blood, but you decide to obey your impulse or to restrain it. You have the power to decide and to be what you want to be. Where there's a will there's a way.

We choose our path some people are just influenced more than others but it all comes down to what we choose.

Could be both.

I am raised in a very Christian family but I always felt different from them.

Since I was a child I liked things that has to do with magick and felt I had a 6th sense.

When I was in my teen years I practiced wicca and withcraft,nowsdays I practice none.

However I still have interest in these things instead of being afraid and condem them as being evil and of the devil like my family says.

So I would say in my case it was something that was inside me but not from the blood.

Vampirism is a condition from birth. However, until one's awakening, the abilities and skills are either dormant or unconscious. Until the latent vampire awakens, they feed unconsciously. Wicca, on the other hand, though I don't know too much on the subject, is a choice. Some may be drawn to it, but it is still a choice, unlike vampirism.

i think anything you do in life is a choice. You can choose to be a unique different person, then later choose to go with the "i wanna look and act like everyone else" attitude.

i think that it could be bolth... some people do at because they want to appear to be rebels and others are born with an affinity towards paganism and/or vampirism and other suck things..... lol.... i mean like me.... i grew up in some VERY christian environments and i know enough about the bible that i would very much surprice even some seasoned christians.... how ever i ahve ALWAYS fealt more akin to nature and animals and drawn towards paganism.... not to mencheon i have always had a facination with blood and seem to almost absorb the energies around me at times though THAT didnt become aparent till latter in my life

It is in the blood!

everything is a choice, but I believe we are born with a natural tendency to lean towards are beliefs...It depends on how open your up bringing is probably...

I think we are born with a natural tendancy to kill and predate upon others, and with leanings toward mental and physical inheritances. I've never seen a 'Christian gene', a 'Wiccan blood cell', or a 'Vampiric bacteria'. These things speak of influences gained after birth, not before. I think we should we call spirituality by it's proper name..and the blood isn't part of that I don't believe.

- D

I think vampirism is something you have in you from birth, but you can awaken to it anytime in your life.
Religious things, I think it depends on your influences in life.
To me, this kind of deals with fate or destiny, do you choose this 'condition' or did it choose you?
I personally believe we were chosen for vampirism, but religion, I believe we choose

i think it is who you are when you are born, but it take time for some to fully understand thats what they are

I believe you choose your own path since when one is born does not know anything what so ever of things that happend or things that exist on this life.So a new born will never know about any of this stuff untill later on in its life IF he/she ever finds it.

i think its a bit of both hbecause my first memories are reading thing oon vampires and i have always been drawn to them, i have also had an intrest in wicca and paganism

i dont believe we are born with beliefes in a path or religion..its something we learn, that we are drawn too..but being a vampyre..its a way of life...your born into it...

It can be both. I know a few that were born christian but later converted to wicca, paganism etc. after feeling that it would be a better path.

It's in the blood but I'm the person in the family tree that has it... Not that I mind.

I say it can be both as well, but I know in my family we are all so connected that we can almost read each others minds.. My mother does not believe in any of this at all. But yet, she knows when something is wrong with one of us as we all do. We can feel each others pain. My sister is a practicing Wiccan and she also can tell what I am thinking alot of the time. And here I am.... I can tell when something is wrong with them as well. So we are constantly on the phone asking whats the matter,, My youngest son has shown signs of knowing things as well. More so when he was a baby, but I have a feeling that he will awaken and show things to me... This is an interesting topic to me because I know so many that share a bond like that. More and more I think you might be born into it..

I think both!

I've always known (seen/experienced) some "unusual" things, and was aware of (and fighting!) them long before I knew certain aspects of my family line. I was in senior high before dad admitted that we are descended from a medicine woman, and older than that before mom admitted that's she's of gypsy blood!

It's only in the past few years that I ever brought up the subject of ghosts/spirits that I've encountered, and asked her if she's ever experienced any herself. The answer was "yes." She didn't like answering the question, either, but we have a policy of truth in our family. I think that's why she and dad told us about the medicine woman and gypsy blood, though it was against both their upbringings! I wish dad was still alive, or that I'd asked him about this while he was living! I should have realized it when he spoke of the supernatural sometimes, usually while mom wasn't home... I think he really was trying to get us to ask the questions so he could say what needed to be said... (Both of my parents were raised old-school Catholic. Hell-fire and brimstone...)

We are born with no knowledge what so ever and so this type of lifestyle is learnt by the individual. If you where born and left with dogs as a baby you would turn out to be a human with traits of dog behavior for that would be the only thing you would know.

As humans we learn from our society and choose but if we have no choice then what ever environment we are exposed to would be the only thing we know.

As we are born with it we have no knowlage of it i suppose that the unused part of your mind lets you know when your ready to know

We learn things trough life but I still believe certaings you feel them since you were born, like instincts and feelings.

For example a person who practices wicca,first she has to have an interest to practice it,if the teachings are given trough family then it might be different...but what if the child is not interest than?She can decide to rebel and not practice it.

As for vampirism do't have lot to say about that since I've got no expirience.

I can understand what you're saying. However, using that same rationale..a lot of people rebelled to become members of Heavens Gate, The Peoples Temple, and Scientology.

Looking at these prior listings, I suppose I just have a hard time believing these people were 'born' for them. I just can't look at rebellion as a form of 'spiritual positioning'..me must not forget that it's natural for children to rebel against their authority figures, and seek out new ground for themselves. Especially when the interest is commonly viewed as forbidden. I have to say though, it seems a lot of kids listen to their friends a great deal more these days.

- D

There's a difference between rebelling and feeling different.

When you rebel is when you do things that make your parents upset purposely and in front of them,doing things differently cause you feel so,is different cause you do them but secretely.

When I practiced other religions I was very careful not to be caught,unfortunately to a big mistake of mine I got caught and it brought me trouble and since I was young mine was being seen as rebelling.

Of kids listening to their friends more than parents it's natural,it's the pase.

So not to get off topic people who are totally different from their family exist.But not as rebels just personality,mentality,even tastes etc...

I am one of them.If you hear me speaking and my parents you wouldn't believe we are of the same family.

I agree with MRD. Youre not really born with anything except for the capability to breathe, and even that's forced upon us. Later on in life we make decisions...each decision impacts us greatly. Vampires arent born through a bloodline...just born within our minds and our dedication to it only proves what we believe.

In some people it is genuinely ~inborn~ and they have no control over it! I speak from experience!!!

I am 40 years old, and spent over 30 years denying my innate, natural abilities! Don't sit there and tell me that I get it from the society around me, or that I learned it from friends - I am respected here, but still regarded as somewhat of a freak by ~all~ circles!!!

Saying it can't be inherited is, pardon my language, bullshit!!! (I assure you, my family doesn't encourage any form of witchcraft or contact with spirits, but I've always done it! It's far better to study and KNOW what you're dealing with than to accidently keep doing things!)

Apparently MRD and themoonneverdies have never encountered a true natural witch...

both we ar born with it but we must learn to control it

Just because you rebel dosen't mean you do it in secret. Afterall, telling your parents in Christian America that you smoke cigarettes, isn't quite the same as saying you worship pagan gods, or drink blood or drain others of energy. Also, just because you 'feel' different, dosen't mean that you were born that be a vampire. Congratulations, everyone feels different.

I never said people choose vampirism or to practice witchcraft do so ONLY because they mommies don't approve or their friends think it's cool. I said it was a factor..so lets not go stuffing things into people mouths. If we need to choke on anything, it's the the question of how I'm supposed to accept jdenoyon's spastic assertions that this was inborn, when he can't conceive of a somewhat steadfast source for it. So, you finally chose to do what you wanted to do and decided to read up on it. That's great, but it dosen't make it a spiritually inherited condition just because your parents of collegues wouldn't approve..so don't get your panties in a bunch. My opinion was stated, if you're unhappy about my opinion..at least we're both aware we're entitled to our own. But until you can give me a reason why instead of calling 'bullshit', don't expect me to run with it as a fact.

In regard to the natural witch comment..I'm sorry Glinda..I'll just have to keep my eyes open, won't I? But out of curiousity, why don't you tell me what a natural witch is. Witchcraft is a set of practices, not a spiritual path. It's natural to feel a connection to the earth you live on, I think our primitive ancestors are proof of that. But in all of this, I don't see a natural 'witch'.

It's great that all have opinions, but it's best not to get firey unless you can give a reason why other than personal experiences that can't be brought to the table of real. Once again, just my opinion.

- D
- D

1. I am descended from a Medicine Woman on my dad's side, and Gypsies on my mom's side. Yes, the tendency is there.

2. I do not willingly "practice" witchcraft, as you call it. No, I am JUST NOW getting ready to start reading up on it because I am tired of just making things happen! Don't ask me to explain to you the things I've made happen or the things I have experienced: you'd never believe them anyway. You probably also don't believe in astral projection or dream walking... or a great many other supernatural events!

As a matter of fact, I do believe in astral projection and have experienced dreamwalking personally. I am not, however, going to say that these are perfect truths, as I cannot verify them outside of my self. "..youd'e never believe them anyway"..It may not be the best idea to convince someone by using other ideas, like the ones above, that have no proovable status in anything other than individual perception.

About your heritage, I do wonder how far away that heritage is on a genetic level, but it matters not. What matters is that there is no information showing that spiritual preference can be passed between parent and child with anything more than teachings. Heredity involves the passing down of genetic traits..not spirituality. I don't have a problem with you believing it, I do have a problem with it being stated as the end all.

- D
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I must say that, while i feel you can either be born into it or come of your own free will..I do believe that there is a love for magic and things occult in most of us from the time of birth..it is simply what you choose to do with those intrests that guides you to where you are today.

It's not the spirituality that is genetically handed down, but the abilities.

What would you define inherently magical abilities as then..genetic? How many people do you know that can fix an engine even though their father may have been an engineer or auto-mechanic.

An ability is defined as the quality of being able to do something. Intellect..things like that can be inherited. In the same function, if you take someone who might have otherwise grown to be quite outgoing, and then lock them in a room for two years and beat them..the outcome will change, regardless of inherited traits. The ability to preform viable 'magic', by definition implies the understanding of it's mechanics to some degree. Saying you are a psychic is not the same thing(not saying you said that) as saying you can preform miracles.

Children do have a natural love for magic, and all things not understood for that matter. I can't think of anything more curious, literally, than a child. Most, if not all, children adore the concept of magic. That's because everything to them is magic, and you can convince them of it too. But that is only because they haven't learned otherwise. This natural magic is an effect of curiosity, imagination, niavity..at least in children. That's what I think about it.

- D

nice thoughts mrd

A lot of interesting points and arguments, but, there is to me something inside us that must 'trigger' you to follow what you do. There has to be something that turns us away from what we are taught from an early age, i.e religious beliefs. Why then turn to paganism, wicca, vampirism or whatever if you are fed with constant Christianity etc from an early age ?? Is there an inside 'factor' that makes you turn your back on this and follow what your body really desires ??

If there is anything that 'wills' you to make a change...I feel you would still ultimately have to accept that change, implying a choice. I think it's important to remember though that the aforementioned paths aren't the only ones that people like us turn to. There is great variety in vampirism as far as religion. Many of these religions hold wholly different set of ideals than the next. I think it has more to do with the fact that to believe in vampirism as a working practice, you must somehow believe in essential spiritualism. That particular kind of spiritualism however, doesn't seem to mix well with Christianity.

- D

I dont belive that you are born with it

actually Mrd
a Natural witch....would by todays standard...be called a psychic....
someone with unexplained abaility to manipulate things in their vacinity are quite well documented and studied by the scientific community....many are called crackpots for it....but these rational trained thinkers risk their careers to study this.....
since you asked what basis there is for a natural witch...and actually there is some indiation that psychic ability is a family trait

it's probably both

Some are born with it as others have said and some follow it of their own will.

I think it is both. There is no simple answer to this question in my opinion. Many are born into a certain belief and such, but are unhappy with it. Yet they go their whole lives believing what they will, and hiding the fact that they want to believe in something else. I think as we get older, our true spirituality calls to us, and steers us on our rightful paths.

i believe that we are born into it and must control it.......

Daermon,

A natural witch, while often equated with psychics, are not the same as a psychic. Psychic phenomena is natural to a certain extent, I believe, but has nothing to do with witchcraft. The practice of witchcraft in it's various forms is contrived. I'll use the example of divination. Divination is a contrived, or forced act. Whereas psychic awareness to a natural psychic is not, but is ever present. Being a witch(practitioner of witchcraft) is a choice, not a religion or even a natural condition.

Also. this so called unexplained ability to 'manipulate things in the vicinity' goes into the realm of psychokinesis. This, as I'm sure you well know, is far from being the norm in psychic manifestations. It would also seem that your claim implies that all witches do in fact have that power. I've never once met some Wiccan that could do so much as shift a dime on a table without lamely trying to blow on it.

Yes, there are still places around the country that keep running tests and supposedly have come up with all this evidence. Except, where is it? It obviously not earth shattering enough that anyone in the media seems to care, or that our government has maintained a serious interest in. You show me these 'well documented' reports, and we might go somewhere. However, I doubt we will find that, because the fact is that the scientific community still largely rejects psychic phenomena..no matter how many episodes of Unsolved Mysteries they run on it. There are a few lone researches out there..and most are dead broke and rejected by academia from what I've seen.

And about that last part, exactly to what source are you referring to that provides an indication for psychic ability being a hereditary trait?

- D

This is also what Sigmund freud asked Lol. I remember reading about him last year. Nature vs. Nuture... I think it was, anywho that is what that reminded me of.

hmm as to the defining of what a witch is....
you appear to be using a very current terminology....when in fact the term witch was classically applied to anyone who could do anything out of the ordinary....
also anyone who could heal the sick, anyone who looked funny, anyone who disagreed with the locals....etc,etc..

and if psychic research is almost nonexistant and ignored..then where did this list of universities running parapsychology studies come from I wonder...

http://www.spr.ac.uk/resdir_World.html

This section presents brief details of selected research projects and active researchers and research groups based outside the UK. Contact details and/or a weblink are provided where applicable.
Asia

ISLIS, Japan
Australasia
Adelaide University
Australian Institute of Parapsychological Research
New England University
Tasmania University
University of the South Pacific
Europe
Amsterdam and Utrecht Universities, Netherlands
Austrian Society for Parapsychology and Border Areas of Science, Austria
Göteborg University, Sweden
IGPP, Germany
Utrecht University, Netherlands
North America
University of California, Davis
Cognitive Sciences Laboratory, California
Consciousness Research Laboratory
Division of Personality Studies, Virginia
Franklin Pierce College, New Hampshire
University of Illinois-Chicago
Institute for Advanced Psychology
Institute of Noetic Sciences, California
Institute of Transpersonal Psychology, California
Kairos Foundation
Parapsychology Foundation
Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Lab (PEAR), New Jersey
Rhine Research Center, North Carolina
Rollins College
Rosebridge Graduate School
St. John's University, New York
Saybrook Institute and Graduate School, California
West Georgia College

Asia


International Society of Life Information Sciences
Address: c/o Yamamoto Bio-Emission Laboratory, National Institute of Radiological Sciences (NIRS) 9-1, Anagawa-4, Inage-ku, Chiba-shi 263-8555 Japan
Web: http://wwwsoc.nii.ac.jp/islis/en/islis.htm
Contact: islis@nirs.go.jp

Australasia

Australian Institute of Parapsychological Research
Address: PO Box 295, Gladesville, NSW 2111.

Adelaide University
Address: Dept of Psychology, University of Adelaide, Adelaide, Sth Australia 5005, Australia
Contact: Dr Michael Thalbourne

New England University
Address: Dept of Psychology, University of New England, Armidale, NSW, Australia
Web: http://www.une.edu.au/
Contact: Prof Harvey Irwin

Tasmania University
Address: Box 252 C, GPO, Hobart, Tasmania 7001, Australia
Contact: Dr Jurgen Keil (retired)

University of the South Pacific
Address: Department of Psychology, University of the South Pacific, Fiji
Web: http://www.usp.ac.fj/
Contact: Dr Robin Taylor

Europe
Austrian Society for Parapsychology and Border Areas of Science
Address: c/o Institute for Social and Cultural Anthropology, Universitaetsstrasse 7, A-1010 Vienna, Austria
Email: office@parapsychologie.ac.at
Web: http://parapsychologie.ac.at
Contact: Prof Peter Mulacz
Area: Founded in 1927, the society provides lectures and other information.

Amsterdam and Utrecht Universities
Address: Bestuursgebow, Rm 238, Postbus 80125, 3508 TC Utrecht, Netherlands
Web: http://www.psy.uva.nl/anomal/
Contact: Prof Dick Bierman (Chair of Parapsychology,University of Utrecht)

Göteborg University
Address: Department of Psychology, University of Göteborg, Box 500, SE 405 30 Göteborg, Sweden
Web: http://www.psy.gu.se/
Contact: Prof Adrian Parker

Institut fur Grenzgebiete der Psychologie (IGPP)
Address: Institut fur Grenzgebiete der Psychologie und Psychohygiene, Wilhelmstrasse 3a, D-79098 Freiburg i. Br., Germany
Web: http://www.igpp.de/

North America

University of California, Davis
Address: Department of Statistics, University of California Davis, CA 95616-8705, USA
Contact: Prof Jessica Utts

Cognitive Sciences Laboratory
Address: 330 Cowper Street, Ste 200, Palo Alto, CA 93401, USA
Web: http://www.lfr.org/
Contact: Dr. Ed May

Division of Personality Studies, University of Virginia
Address: Division of Personality Studies, Health Science Center, Charlottesville, Virigina, USA
Web: http://hsc.virginia.edu/personality-studies/
Contact: Dr Ian Stevenson
Area: Reincarnation.

Franklin Pierce College
Address: PO Box 60, College Road, Rindge, NH 03461-0060, USA
Web: http://www.fpc.edu/academic/behave/psych/jack.htm
Contact: Prof William H. Jack

Institute for Advanced Psychology
Address: San Francisco Bay Area, California, USA
Contact: Dr Keith Harary

Institute of Noetic Sciences
Address: 475 Gate Five Road, Suite 300, Sausalito, CA 94965, USA
Web: http://www.noetic.org/
Contact: Dr Marilyn Schlitz

Institute of Transpersonal Psychology, California
Address: 744 San Antonio Road, Palo Alto, CA 94303-4613, USA
Web: http://www.itp.edu/
Contact: Prof William Braud
Areas: Psychomanteum experiences and their life impacts; Time-displaced direct mental (PK) influences on living systems; Life impacts of psi experiences and other exceptional human experiences; Transpersonal implications of psi experiences.

Kairos Foundation
Address:Kairos Foundation, 1187 Wilmette Avenue #220, Wilmette, IL 60091, USA
Contact: Dr Norman S. Don

Parapsychology Foundation
Address: 228 East 71st Street, New York, NY 10021, USA
Email: NancyZingrone@parapsychology.org
Web: http://www.parapsychology.org/
Contact: Nancy Zingrone

Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Lab (PEAR)
Address: Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research, C - 131 Engineering Quadrangle, Princeton University, Princeton, NJ 08544, USA
Tel:
Email:
Web: http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/
Contact: Dr. Roger Nelson

Rhine Research Center
Address: 402 North Buchanan Boulevard, Durham, North Carolina 27701-1728, USA
Email: info@rhine.org
Web: http://www.rhine.org/
Contact: Dr John Palmer
Areas: Ganzfeld-ESP; Neurophysiological correlates of psi; General psi research.

Rollins College
Address: Dept of Philosophy and Religion, Rollins College, Campus Box 2659, Winter Park, FL 32789-4499, USA
Web: http://www.rollins.edu/
Contact: Dr Hoyt Edge

Rosebridge Graduate School of Integrative Psychology
Address: Rosebridge Graduate School of Integrative Psychology, 1040 Oak Gove Road, Suite 103, Concord, CA 94518, 510-689-0560 USA
Contact: Dr Jerry Solfvin

St. John's University, Jamaica
Address: Marillac Hall, Psychology Lab SB15, Jamaica, NY 11439, USA
Contact: Dr Rex Stanford

Saybrook Institute and Graduate School
Address: Saybrook Institute, 450 Pacific Avenue, 3rd Floor, San Francisco, CA 94133-4640, USA
Contact: Dr Stanley Krippner

Southern Illinois University School of Medicine
Address: Department of Psychiatry, P.O. Box 5201, Springfield, IL., 62703 USA
Contact: James Houran
Area: Hauntings; Poltergeist; Factors that influence interpretation of ambiguous stimuli; Phenomenology of delusions and hallucinations.

West Georgia College
Address: Department of Psychology, Carrolton, GA 301218, USA
Contact: Dr William Roll

To the original question, I'd say the probability is there at birth, as our genes do make certain things more likely than others. But in the end, it is a conscious decision to take on a religion, such as Wicca.

To whomever it was that stated there is no proof of psychic ability being hereditary, I cannot offer documents (I believe Daermon has that covered), but how about first hand experience? I do not claim to be a psychic, but I do have certain abilities regarding the paranormal. I have no doubt in my mind that they were inherited from my father, and his from his mother. We all have the same abilities, varying in strength. I can think of no more logical conclusion than it being passed down through generations. Can you?

Daermon,

For my definition of a witch, I think the current definition will do quite fine..as this is a present day discussion.

As for the research..you came through with the list. At this much I am impressed and corrected in my assumption concerning the numbers of researchers involved. I still must say though, that since it's not even close to being accepted in the open as being a valid phenomena..that they aren't doing a very good job.

Finding associations that could mean something is different from having proof that they mean anything. If such proof were present, you can believe we would hear about it. If it were true, it would be rather earth shattering I'm sure you can imagine..and the white light freaks would waste no time in spreadin the word.

At any rate though, thanks for the list. I didn't expect it.

- D

As for oblyvia's response. I can think of one that doesn't involve physical substance. That though, relies on the possibility that your energy could be affected and changed through constant exposure to those with high psychic receptivity. If you spend enough time in a certain presence, often we liken to that presence. It's a theory anyway.

- D

A theory that holds less validity than mine, but sure.

In addition...here is some research work on hereditary possibility
http://www.xprojectmagazine.com/archives/paranormal/hereditary.html

and another from the journal of scientific exploration
http://www.scientificexploration.org/jse/abstracts/v13n3a1.php

and seriously...don't be so trusting of what you aren't hearing about....
the public is kept very well in the dark about a great many things....and I'm not even referring to conspiracy theory..just simple fact that most people would rather read about whatever reality crap show is on tv than actually potentially improve themselves...for example....computers controlled by brainwaves....this technology is in use..human testing on it started almost 10 years ago...but do you hear about it anywhere..no...even when it was first written about...it got a one paragraph in the middle of the newspaper, this is truly revolutionary cybernetics....and nobody hears about it...
so be careful about discounting something because it isn't big news...
you are not the guy who decides what stories make it into the papers or not...

I heard of the monkeys that controlled the robotic arms thorugh implants..but that's it I'm afraid. Thank you for the articles, always looking for something read. And true, indeed, I don't decide the front page. :)

- D

Ergh..I feel cheated. Maybe I was expecting too much, but I guess I should have read the links you provided before I posted. These links while demonstrating the research indeed exists..do not show any conclusive evidence. The first link refers to a survey in where only 26% of respondents..I say 26%, state that they believed that ESP was related to family inheritance. They then go on to refer to the fact that Shamans and apparently Sylvia Brown*chuckles*, have the same idea. It all comes down to just simple assertions. And nothing I see based in anything others than opinions and a low count on the survey.

The second is more informative, but refers to ESP on a biological level..not so much a spiritual one. It calls it a "creative mental ability where the hereditary aspect lies in the sensitivity of the sensory systems which convey the experiences." This implies an extended form of inference based on more acute receptivity to stimuli. I like this idea, it appeals to logic..but it's just a theory, nonetheless. All in all, the documents show the interest and research exists, but fail to support as a fact the phenomena itself. By that, I just can't consider the articles to be 'well founded' in any case, at least not at this stage.

I suppose you did say the 'possibility', so I can't fault you. But for the benefit of those assuming it's proof before you read it(I know you're out there), I had to state those observations. Maybe I'm off tracks here, but it sounds right so far.

- D

personally I feel that vampirism is not a path that can be chosen.. except where you go with it. it is a condition. With the occult and religion those are paths that are created by us, and for us. Some are placed into their path some have to diligently research until it comes. when your path is before you.. you will know. it is in your heart.

A true vampyric person's blood is different

Would anyone here care to tell me exactly how it's different?

Woah now, no reason to attack. I didnt say that people dont have natural abilities for things, Im a soul searcher, thats completely natural, however, the cravings for blood arent necessarily as immediate as that. I dont believe that everything is natural or not at all, things can be learned, most things are learned.

No one is born someway or with some ideas or anything like such. Thru time we see things and grasp someideas. It comes to a point when we are holding by a push to either let it go or not, then in its right moment someone or something comes along and gives us that little push we need it to accept it or not.

Not sure about anybody else but I have Celtic blood when I hear the pipes or see the green of the Isles I feel the heat in my blood waether thats the reason I am a Neo druid or not I don't know but maybe

its only in the blood if its chicken fried steak

I was going to delete this post, but you should know that you are advertising the level of conversation which people can come to expect of you.

:) STABB

Well, I suppose you could study the DNA of vamps vs norms, of varying ages, see if DNA changes in the norms some years later, but ah...good luck getting a government grant for that.

Well, YourMom, your answer and choice of cuisine speaks volumes.

Good day.

Am I the only on ethat did not get Yourmom's comment???????

Nope, I'll give--I didn't get it either.

some people born in pain, and live in it, some other know the pain later, it like trying to born whit the lenguage, we are people who born in darkness and pain, and is other who learn everything

Now this is difficult, I was born with vampire family but could have changed my lifestyle years ago...So I think I got the best of both worlds...

I was born with it..But I did not find myself until recently..

Thanx for the comments VladVoivode, sure has produced some real thought provoking responses, keep the faith my friend !

if it's religion...it's better chosen by you but if it's vampirism, then i think you can be born with it

i developed my wiccan beliefs later in life when i met a cupple of new frends and they kinda showed me whats up and i went from that

I say all of this stuff is of free will...Nothing is forced upon you unless your parents are constantly hounding you to believe what they believe...I hate it they do that...

I don't think it is born in us. I believe that it has something to do with past lives or ancient ancestors of ours but not close relatives. But then again I'm not sure. My grandmother used to always say we were a family full of vampires and I thought she was joking. Maybe she knew more than she was letting on...

I think you can become something, as well as be born to it. For me personally its just my mind set, I have always loved the taste of blood for as long as i can remember, among other things. I also know people who have decided to take up their styles from loved ones. So either way I think it is good thing the more the merry. :-)

whether born with it or not...is in my point irrelevent...you do not know if you are born with it most often than not..you decide to be something...-mieta-

i believe it is chosen by free will as well, some people think that they are born with it but they don't realize it until later. this may be true, but in my opinion a mere justification for themselves. and i agree with the above, it really doesn't matter why or in what manner you believe something... if you believe in it and it makes you happy and accept who you are, then that is all that matters...

its the influences that make up 50% of our attitude and style. and the other 50% is in our genes. so if your birth parents did that stuff and nobody told you about it, and nobody did it around you then you still might be into that stuff..........and if your parents hated that stuff, and people around you did it all the time, then you might be into that stuff. so its compleatly a 50-50 thing

it all depends on who you are and the circumstance but i myself was born this way but awakened later in life

We are borned the same all that happends in life that "helps" us become what we are is that one push. That push that we cannot control and either it helps us for good in our life or can do bad in it as well. In ones perfect moment and time it will come to him/her and push that last bit one needs to be what is.

Ofcourse that sounded a bit more spiritual and religion like than anything else.

it's both.. most of true blood were born into it, though the gift may be bestowed upon others.

i believe so

I believe that parental figures try to burn ideas into your head. Yet, as we grow we escape thier grasp and realize that everything isnt how it seemed to be with them. I believe you become this way because of what you want to become

it is in the blood it make us stronger more power

I would have to say both!

Some are born with great knowledge of their mind and minds abilities...Others are awakened later by actions and others energies and training...Others are changed by ones intense energy focused upon them and trianing...Much of this can be done in the dream relm, then brought back to the waking world...