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It seems my post was a bit misunderstood And I apologize to all who found my words contradicting. Here is my post again, please I ask for no arguments to start, just post your beliefs on the subject. Ok? This is a very important topic to me and don't want it RIPed.



For those that chose to pick at all the differences between real vampires of today and the fictional vamps that have been told about over the years, I ask why? What does it matter if we are actually vampires, or are just something else that isn't named and therefore called vampires do to the fact that the characteristic of the fictional vamp is the closest thing people have seen to what we are. What does it matter if fictional vamps were based on us, or if we were named vampires based on the stories of fictional vamps. Does it matter why we are called vampires? We just are and in my opinion, whether we are vampires or something else that adapted the name vampire just because it fits better than anything else, shouldn't matter. We are what we are. If we don't fit your definition of what a vampire should be, oh well. If anyone has anything they'd like to add please feel free to post your opinions.

lol this is a very interesting subject and hopefully it wont get RIPed again. But yeah people put too much thought and emphasis on a title either an individual or group has

well it is art imitating life imitating art and its a vicious circle .... we are not hollywood vampires but some of us choose to drink blood thoe to most it will make ill ...it dont bother us for some reason
and some of us use manipulation of words and charms to make people do things it dont matter if we are called vampire vampyre or human we are what we are regaurdless of the name given to us that will not change our nature just to change our name

People hear the word vampire, and they either feel scared, look at you strangely, become excited and only a few have no reaction.

It is like with words like: paranormal, super natural, what is it really paranormal and super natural?

I think it's all labels.

Vampire or not you're still a person to me, you might have attributes that are considered as vampiric but it doesn't make you anything ''wow'' in my opinion.

I also think this is realted with brainwashing.

People are brainwashed about the vampires they see on TV so think, if they have some of the attributes they're going to be like the characters they admire.

Very interesting subject.
If there were no fictional vampires then there could be no real ones. And without the fictional vampires we could not have so many varying opinions of what they are or should be.
For some it is a lifestyle, for others a pose or a bit of role playing. Very, very few here claim to be age-old and immortal, and those who do are amongst the biggest posers of all.
To claim to be a vampire, for those who choose the lifestyle, is not a false claim, unless they profess immortality and super powers.

Labels are something we do to help others understand us. They can have good and bad consequenses. They arent needed, but they are pretty much in-avoidable

Me I am a ghost, what makes me a ghost? you cannot see me, yet I am here. So what is in name?

i believe vampires were originally based on a actual living being named vlad tepes and i think from there with the stories that grew and the far fetched tales the truth got lost somewhere and thats when i believe fact began taking on a role of it's own which was fiction i do believe them to be real just misunderstanded,if someone wants to know the truth as to where the name vampire came from and it's original meaning i would only reccomend them going back in history of the life and times of vlad tepes.

very interesting mastermindedfate. I think that's the first good post in a while since people started putting posts that added to the thread.

Lets just cut to the chase, aside from ~Mastermindedfates~ post which in my opinion was a crock. Since Vlad was a human being, and Bram Stoker was the one that designed Vlad to be the immortal Blood Sucker. Though he was never vampire.

I believe that she is calling out those who would call out others based on their convictions in other threads. Alright.. I will answer this one.

The only reason why many of us would call those out on their definitions and or uses of the term vampire, and its spellings IE vamp"y"re, is that the name has become so clitche, so over used within certain areas of society that it seems to lack that certain something.

Where as the others, the individuals that would spell it with a "y" would take it too far and into the extremes when it involves their community politics, but have little to no idea where the name came from originally. Hell, it could have been based on something entirely differant from its blood sucking counter-part that was fictionalised by Bram Stoker himself, as a taboo metaphor for intimacy.

But, nooo... Those who would spell it with a why would subject it to another entitlement for their HLV (Human Living Vampire) status. Possibly borrowing the spelling from the acclaimed game: Vampires: The Masquerade, and using it in their own context for their own benefit.

We still do not know how this spelling caught on to begin with, save for the everlasting Masquerade happenings back in the 90's, but it caught on very quickly. Seems as though the spelling satisfied a select crowd of individuals. Who would take it to new levels and at times, too far.

I am not sure if this is what you ment by the posting of this thread, or if I was way out of the ball park itself...

So throw me a bone.

Very true, there are some who take it too far, but the point is as I said in the posting, what's the name matter. It's true that we could be way off from what the original term vampire meant, and that it may only be used for us now because we are similar to what the world thinks vampires are. We could be something else entirely that hasn't gotten a name, except for the one the world has given us time and time again, "vampire". My opinion is it's easier to go with the name the world gives us rather than have the entire population agree on a new name just to please those who say either " You're not dead so your not vamps" or "That's not what the word vampire originally meant". And vampyre was the original spelling of vampire. I don't know why the y was turned to an i put I'd say both words are accurate. But very nice post SS.

From what i have heard, people have created their own reasoning for the different spellings of what vampire means and how to determine who is what exactly.

Vampire (to some) is speaking of the ficitional characters. The story book type vampires. The RP people who constantly say how they are vampires etc. and take it to the extremities.

And Vampyr or Vampyre (to some) defines the one's that believe themselves to actually BE a vampire.

So, with that said, the spelling has to do with how YOU are defined according to the people in modern day times.

Just like when im playing SL....there are SIMs for the RP vamps, and SIMs for those that actually live the lifestyle that seperate themselves from each other and they are very intolerable to the RP brainwashed type people that proclaim to be such beings and are usually shunned apon and if taken too far, banned completely from the rest that actually do take it seriously.

Very interesting. Me? I like "vampire" as it's the English spelling and I'm sometimes a bit of a grammar freak. Sometimes I won't care though.

Then why not be creative, and present another nomiclature? BTW, the "world" does not refer to anyone as vampire, those who adapt the idenity of vampire interprete vampire as they are led to, and then labeled themselves as such. "The world" is a majority. which is no where near convinced that vampires are anything but lore, and fiction!

Hey! Does this mean I can change Mermaid to Mermayed?
:D

right o' Oceanne. I shall change Geist, To Geyst.. seeings how a few here know that I am a ghost.


Here's my summary for this thread.

Vampire has a definition. Those who want it to be something else should Petition Merium-webster.

Simple post what they wish top ammend the definition with.

You are a minority. yet you feel compelled to impress upon others your vague interpretation, and adaptation of a traditional definition, without any credible source, out side of jargon, and plagerized fiction.

You say it like I "chose" the name vampire for me? Far from it. I've been called vampire everywhere I go without even mentioning the word. And as for your jokes on changing the spelling because you feel like it, that's not what I said either. The original spelling was with a "y"and over the years the English spelling changed to an "i". And since I'm usually fairly picky on grammar, I use the current English spelling. And to correct you on another point, the world as a majority do call anyone who resembles the fictional vampires from books and movies "vampires". Some say it jokingly, some say it seriously. The point is they say it. And I don't seek to impress any interpretations on anyone. I merely state my thoughts and those that agree, agree, and those that don't, don't. It's when some either asks me a question, or as you seem to like to do, try to twist my words into something else entirely, that I will respond to gladly correct you, or answer any questions for those that are respectful enough to ask instead of make accusations. And the definition of vampire in the dictionary is for fictional vamps. And, to let you know something, the dictionary as also started putting slang words,like bling, in it as proper English so really it's not an end-all be-all answering system. Useful, but not absolute.

There are a lot of people out there that will label you things incorrectly. I have had people to IM me and try to say that i am a vampire, or people feel that I am an old soul and yadda yadda yadda. The fact is, people all have different perceptions of things and it's not always an accurate one. So if you're one of those people that believe what people tell you about yourself, you are surely going to be mislead. That is why it's best to take a look at yourself honestly and decided for yourself.

Very true :) And yes I have, and I do believe the name vampire fits. So I don't mind people calling me it without me even saying it myself. I just find it amusing when that happens :) I didn't "chose" the name vampire, but it fits and beats correcting people when they call me one. Truthfully though, I may not be one, I may be something else that has no name, still human of course (not going to deny that), but going with a name people use on me anyways works since it does fit rather nicely.

Ohoh... the change of spelling actually had naught to do with Vampire directly SC.I was referring to another incident.
But I must say,I understand where you are coming from when everyone calls you vampire..they always call me a mermaid.So Im sure it has much to do with they way we are and look.Personality characteristics and such.

Ohoh... the change of spelling actually had naught to do with Vampire directly SC.I was referring to another incident.
But I must say,I understand where you are coming from when everyone calls you vampire..they always call me a mermaid.So Im sure it has much to do with they way we are and look.Personality characteristics and such.

~Seraconner~ society chooses a stereotypical name for others based on what they have been taught and feel comfortable with. Just as you may acknowledge them by saying something along the lines of "thank you," thus the association.

It is simply your choice to acknowledge society in either agreement or disagreement based on the type of conversation.

Though it does depend on how you dress, look act and feel to them on other levels, something must have brought on either the conversation and or comment pertaining to vampires.

I agree with the person above. Unknowing people tend to stereotype vampires. I truly do not believe 'real' vampires (IE: immortal soul that is damned to survive on blood. )exist but I do believe that there are humans that are into the fad; such as drinking blood from a willing donor and paying to have their teeth turned into fangs. In all reality, it's just a name and until there is proof of real immortal vampires, I'll go on with my beliefs.

SS- Well, what usually sets people off to call me a vampire is my extreme sensitivity to light in my eyes and skin. But the observant ones notice every other reason to call me one, and only my closest friends know I drink blood so that's not something people notice when they say it.

The usage of the spelling Vampyre predates Stoker by almost 80 years in the short story by Polidori. His story, written in 1819 probably influenced Stoker. 160 years later it was used in the title of the remake of Nosferatu. Of course it has since been adopted and adapted by a metal band as well as some pretentious cults and groups. But it is a European spelling that is as valid in it's way than Vampire.
Of course we could just refer to them as the Lyving Dead.

Vlad Dracul the 3rd, King of Wallachia...wasn't really a Vampire either...but his legend became larger than life when eastern Europe went through their "Age of Romantic Nationalism" in the 1800s.

I think Vampyre/Vampire or whatever is just something to "classify" us in a place where others can somehow grasp and understand "what" we are.
Yes, some people do take it too far. I use vampyre from vampire because i know i would be talking to more of a "serious' or "real" or w/e than if i were to be talking to a vampire...which could be any kind of poser....I was taught that from one of my vampyre friends...actually, all of my vamypre friends.

"I use vampyre from vampire because i know i would be talking to more of a "serious' or "real" or w/e than if i were to be talking to a vampire...which could be any kind of poser....I was taught that from one of my vampyre friends...actually, all of my vamypre friends."

*Chuckles* Most would think of it as the other way around. The new main stream spelling being given to the communities populous by those who created certain code of ethics, instilled the spelling with a "y" for the sake of sounding to clitche. And yet, the traditionalists that belong to said community still spell the entitlement with an "i." There is really nothing wrong with either spelling unless you are one of those that take the stereotyping to seriously and just someone based on the spelling itself.

It is just a word, no matter how it is spelled. Depict it as you feel nessessary. Just remember that there is always more to a name then just the spelling.

I would have to agree with what Vampiress121 said. People need to lable others to feel more comfortable or to explain things. It makes them nervouse if it doesn't has a name or belongs to something. That's just human nature.

Now for the word vampyre, that's what I found on a website:

'The word "vampyre" has a lengthy etymology. The original source was the proto-Indo-European (PIE) word "to fly" which became, in succession, the Old Slavic word "oper," the Old Polish word "vaper", the German word "vampir," the English "vampyre," and finally the English word "vampire."

Personally, I call real-life vamps, vampyres and the fictional kind vampires as do most of my friends.

yes...well, thanks for agreeing you.

Well, I was taught by Pain with those differences of the y and I. . and My other friend, who isnt on here anymore, he said that "vampyre" is the older ones and "vampire" is the modern.
well it does really depend on who u are

Again, the spelling of "y" just entitles the individual to fall under the propaganda known as the strigoii vii belief system. This is what most of the main stream modern day year 2000 vampire community youngsters relate to so much. Because they do not understand what they walk into and are taught by those who still don't understand save for what they have either read in modern day "sanguinomicon" based books, and or what they have heard from other sources that they tend to hang around with just to feel a sense of "belonging."

Those who have created the definition/meaning with the "y" spelling in our modern day atmosphere IE 2000 A.D. are making a killing with that spelling money wise. Genius!!

SERACONNER posts...SS- Well, what usually sets people off to call me a vampire is my extreme sensitivity to light in my eyes and skin. But the observant ones notice every other reason to call me one, and only my closest friends know I drink blood so that's not something people notice when they say it.

Only your closest friends know you drink blood huh??? Not anymore, lol

It's ok I don't mind people on here knowing as the point of this site for me is to be open and honest and basically be myself :) Plus even if someone on here met me in real life they wouldn't know it and I wouldn't let them know unless I trusted them.

i belive people like to apply lables to what they dont understand/are affraid of/dont feel comfortable with. i think its just there way of segregationg a group that they do not wish to know anything about, and will not give the time of day

Who really cares what ever way you sustain yourself. It is like talking about sex with a homo-sexual. It just doesn't happen, but they are so worried about what the world things of them instead of living their own lives.

The vampire segretates itself by putting itself into set categories of sustanance. If those who live that lifestyle would learn this, then they would be more the merrier and move on to another topic of understanding already.

I know the lifestyers from the real thing for the fact that the real thing does not care about ways it is segratated. As well as already understands itself and does not need to discuss the topic further.

Would it be that some want distiction, under the pretense of tolerance?

Thus my point of analogy with the homo-sexual comment.

good post SS, but not really the name argument I meant when I made the thread. But interesting opinion nonetheless.

The vampire was never about name throwing, nor politics. Spare me the semantics already. The individuals that use these characteristics and or distinctions simply use them for the benefit of "fitting in" as I have been stating all along.

They want so much to belong to a group that they would go to the ends of the world to prove their convictions based on a stereotypes that others created along the way. It went from a taboo idea, to a mainstream philosophy just because someone wrote a book on it and went media with it. Thank you Endless Nights... Thanks for nothing.

zombie, do you really think little ol' me could rename an entire community? and while I don't know why we're called vampires, maybe we are or maybe we are something else. Either way, I doubt the community would change they're name, even if they could, just to satisfy a few who argue that they don't fit the name.

Mayhaps your too worried about what the community would think, and would not care for the ridicule if your peers did not approve and did not wish to suffer any backlash from them in the long run...

You are still individual in the end. I would not depend on an entire community for reactions and or opinions just for the sake of understanding yourself. This is for YOU to decide on what to be regarding YOURSELF.

Don't depend so much on other people or groups for a basis or foundation of standards. Grow these things within yourself, then teach the world rather then the other way around.

Create something new.. They did. Hence the terms "psi" and "sang." They created these stereotypes for sustanant definitions. Why can you not create another term for the vampire and then bring it into the mainstream like they did? Is it really that hard? It took them 15 years to bring their creations to life. But, with a bit of influence and the right people backing you, you could eventually define a new term that associates with the vampire.

Very true SS, one problem though. I think the term vampire fits rather nicely :) And no I'm not just trying to be different, fit in, or do what the community would want. I"m not even a part of that community right now, I'm already different from most without being a vampire, and don't care about fitting in as I have my friends for that :)

I think there is too much emphasis on a name. Like that all it is, just a name.

My point exactly.

lol ok say that when someone names their kid shithead (said she theed) and tell me it's "just a name". I think it a name is just a name then people wouldn't be so picky about what exactly to name you since birth.

if a name* sorry typo

thats what nicknames are for;)