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WaitsForTheMoon
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I am curious to see what people think about whether or not Technology will ultimately save us or destroy us as a species. Including our dependency upon it.




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In some i will move us further into the future, yet I believe that technology is in some essence killing us slowly. in many ways



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Technology has improved our everyday lives in a large variety of ways. We can carry a phone with us everywhere we go, we have access to wireless and high speed internet, business is more organized and efficient.

Do I think that technology will destroy? No. Why? Computers, cell phones, faxes, etc are all man made. They are only as smart as the people that program them. If technology destroys society, it is because of its misuse by people. Cell phones and computers are great but they also take away from people interacting with each other face to face. That doesnt mean its destroying society, it merely means people have to take the iniative as to just how much they allow technology to inhibit their lives. Technology no more destroys our lives or society than guns do. It is the misuse or overuse of technology that destroys things.



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01:23:59 Jun 12 2010
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Modern technology is good in many ways...but in the end we as humans have become lazy.We expect everything within seconds,we expect something to be there for use ALL the time.Instead of doing things for ourselves,we use a computer to do "paperwork".We need everything handed to us instead of getting it ourselves.We want everything in one tiny package...as stated above...we can carry a phone everywhere we go...but people never use the actual phone function.It is a Phone...call the person instead of taking time to type out what you want to say.

People have gotten so lazy they shorten their words into text spelling and it has gotten so bad...people actually use net speak in real life.

Sad...truly sad.



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It depends on the technology. People were all woe is me when the television displaced the radio. I can see their point, but imagination is important to me. Using my imagination, that is, so I understand how the radio allows one to make up your images. Television also took families away from the family dinner table and put them in front of the box with t.v. trays. The technology impacted communication.

But now a lot of the technology involves more communication. Witness this forum. There are people communicating on vr who probably sat in the back of class and never raised their hands.

Texting is dumb, has no texture and the sensuousness of the nuanced human voice is lost, but it's still reaching out to someone. I think it's a trend, and shall soon pass.



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Technology in medical aspects i think is good. It is being furthered every day.

In other aspects it is killing the human race slowly. I don't rely on Much technology. I'd rather read a book or write than use something technological most of the time.

People have gotten lazy and expect things in seconds. There are things that can still be done by hand that does not need to be done on a computer.

With texting i use "text speak" and "proper" speak depending on who i'm texting.



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Dear Reader:

How many of You have seen an Open Heart Surgery? Or a Catherization of a vein? Science is here to help, not to destroy.



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Technology can go both ways in different forms.

GOOD-Medical. Can save lives.

BAD-if there was a global meltdown there would be millions of teens that would be running around with their heads cut off because they have no cell reception, internet, or anything.



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Not as bad as religions and political division. As everything is on the responsibility and rational ethics that you use empowers your tools, but overall it have served as an extension for human evolution in the way to mirror their understanding and challenge their boundaries. Good and bad is a concept loosely used under the collective consensus and perspectives been seeded since youth by the very foundation of beliefs in a respective group or culture- with that the expectations from their part in the future.

Good and bad should be measured under what is rationally conductive versus its opposite. Now people might ask well what is rationally conductive is not the same for everyone, rationally conductive in a way something should be measured: discarding of passions (personal beliefs, developmental programming, irrational pursuits, irresponsible methodology) and a little of reasoning on why, where, what possibilities could be extracted from such a decision and its cons' and pros', with those projections measure the ethics in terms of the groups healthy interest or rational parameters of the time- without recurring on exploitation for any other means than to expand the knowledge and with it the awareness and to introduce it in a productive sense if its rationally conductive.

But as always you need the bad to learn from its mistakes; so the positive and negative is always used as a learning template in the collective outcomes; if everything were to be good then there is a freeze in understanding of this illusion some of you might think is reality, all turns into a society of 'cumba-yah', another indigenous society (golden age), which is not bad for the experience but for those who wish to expand in knowledge are limited -and thats when the cycle of "science vs faith" stand under all groups suppressing those kind of liberties, as in for now the only things holding that opportunity of evolving rationally our state of being as a whole (all human without denomination) is communication, and the problem stems from system created by the humans themselves (economy:the wrap, countries: the divisions, religion: the walls, and politics: the interest of the specific group), that is why we do not go beyond and fast on the process of acquiring technology as it should at this height, without mass communication there is no exchange of ideas and without those exchange the growth is slowly, because funding for knowledge is a real Bi%$H.



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It has to be seen whether there are limitations to research and teaching and what these limitations are. All things in this world may be considered from a triple point of view: from the logical, the physical, and the ethical. Applied to science we discover limitations in all three.

Logical
Logically science is limited by truth, which belongs to its very essence. Knowledge of things cannot be had from their causes, unless the knowledge be true. False knowledge cannot be derived from the causes of things; it has its origin in some spurious source. Should science ever have to choose between truth and freedom (a choice not at all imaginary), it must under all circumstances decide for truth, under penalty of self-annihilation. As long as the case is thus put theoretically, there is no difference of opinion. Yet in practice, it is almost hopeless to reconcile conflicting sentiments. When, in 1901, a vacant chair at the University of Strasburg was to be filled by a Catholic historian, Mommsen published a protest, in which he exclaimed: "A sense of degradation is pervading German university circles". On that occasion he coined the shibboleth "voraussetzungslos", and claimed that scientific research must be "without presuppositions". The same cry was raised by Harnack (1908) when he demanded "unbounded freedom for research and knowledge". The demand was formulated a little more precisely by the congress of academicians in Jena (1908). Their claim for science was "freedom from every view foreign to scientific methods".

In the latter formula the claim has a legitimate meaning, viz., that unscientific views should not influence the results of science. In the meaning of Mommsen and Harnack, however, the claim is illogical in a double sense. First, there can be no "science without presuppositions". Every scientist must accept certain truths dictated by sound reason, among others, the truth of his own existence and of a world outside of himself; next, that he can recognize the external world through the senses, that a reasoning power is given to him for understanding the impressions received, and a will power free from physical constraint. As a philosopher, he reflects upon these truths and explains them on scientific methods, but will never prove all of them without involving himself in vicious circles. Whatever science he chooses he has to build it upon the natural or philosophical presuppositions on which his life as man rests. The fact is that every positive science borrows from philosophy a number of established principles.
So much for the general premises. They alone would show how illogical is the claim for "science without presuppositions". But this is not all. Each science has its own particular presuppositions or axioms, distinct from its own conclusions, just as every building has its foundation, distinct from its walls and roof. Nay, the various branches of any special science have all their own proper presuppositions. Euclid's geometry is built upon three kinds of presuppositions. He calls them definitions, postulates, and common notions. The latter were called axioms by Proclus. To show the difference between hypothesis and result no better example could be chosen than Euclid's fifth postulate of the first book. The postulate says: "When two straight lines are intersected by a third so as to make the inner adjacent angles on one side less than two right angles, the two lines, indefinitely prolonged, will intersect on the side of those lesser angles." By a mistake of Proclus (fifth century) the postulate was changed into a proposition. Innumerable attempts at proving the supposed proposition were made, until the error was recognized, only a century ago. The fifth postulate, or axiom of parallels as it is often called, proved to be a real hypothesis, distinct from all the other presuppositions. Non-euclidian geometries have been constructed by a simple change of the fifth postulate. All this shows that there is no geometry without presuppositions. And similarly, there is no algebra without presuppositions. Law starts from the existence of families and from their natural tendency towards association for common welfare. Medicine takes the human body as a living organism, subject to derangement, and the existence of remedies, before it constructs its science. History supposes human testimony to be, under certain conditions, a reliable source of knowledge, before it begins its researches. Linguistic sciences, likewise, take it or granted that human languages are not constructed arbitrarily but evolved logically from a variety of circumstances. Theology takes from philosophy a number of truths, such as the existence of God, the possibility of miracles, and others. In fact, one science borrows its presuppositions from the results of other sciences, a division of labour which is necessitated by the limitations of everything human. Hence, the cry for "science without presuppositions" is doubly illogical, unless by presupposition is meant an hypothesis that can be proved to be false or foreign to the particular science in question. The freedom of science therefore has its limitations from the point of view of logic.

Physical
From the physical point of view science requires material means. Buildings, endowments, and libraries are necessary to all branches of science, in research as well as in teaching. Medical and natural sciences require extraordinary means, such as laboratories, museums, and instruments. Material requirements have always imposed limitations upon scientific research and teaching. On the other hand, the appeals of science for freedom from the burden have been generously answered. Between the twelfth and the fourteenth centuries about forty universities were founded in Europe, partly by private initiative, partly by princes or popes, in most cases by the combined efforts of both together with the members of the university. Among the self-originating universities may be mentioned Bologna, Paris, Oxford, and Cambridge. With the help of princes, universities were erected at Palencia, Naples, Salamanca, Seville, and Siena. Of the universities founded by popes we mention only Rome, Pisa, Ferrara, Toulouse, Valladolid, Heidelberg, Cologne, and Erfurt. Most of the old universities, like Coimbra, Florence, Prague, Vienna, Cracow, Alcalá, Upsala, Louvain, Leipzig, Rostock, Tübingen, and many others, owe their origin to the combined efforts of princes and popes. The foundations consisted mainly of charters giving civil rights and authorizing scientific degrees, in most cases also of material contributions and endowments. To many of the professors' chairs, ecclesiastical benefices were applied by the popes without other obligation than that of teaching science. Naturally the founders retained a certain authority and influence over the schools. On the whole, the old universities enjoyed everywhere the same freedom which they have in England up to this day. After the Reformation the governments of continental Europe made the universities of their own territories State institutions, paying the professors as Government employees, sometimes prescribing textbooks, methods of teaching, and even doctrines. Although in the nineteenth century, governments were obliged to relax their supervision, they still keep the monopoly of establishing universities and of appointing the professors. Their influence on the progress of science is unmistakable; how far this may benefit science, need not be decided in this place. With the growing influence of the State that of the Church has been diminished, in most universities to total extinction. In the few European universities in which the faculty of Catholic theology is still allowed to exist, the supervision of the Church over her own science is almost reduced to a mere veto. The necessity of exempting the professors from the oath against the Modernistic heresy is an illustration of the case. Owing to the freedom of teaching in the United States of America there are, besides the public universities of the different states, a number of institutions founded by private endowment. In the face of the strong aid which anti-Christian and atheistic tendencies receive through the influence of universities, private endowments of schools that maintain the truth of Revelation cannot be too much recommended.

Ethical
The limitations of science from the ethical point of view are twofold. The direct action of science on ethics is readily understood; the reaction of ethics upon science is just as certain. And both action and reaction create limitations for science. The activity of man is guided by two spiritual faculties, understanding and will. From the understanding it derives light, from the will firmness. Naturally the understanding precedes the will and hence the influence of science upon ethics. This influence becomes an important factor in the welfare of the human race for the reason that it is not confined to the scientist in his own researches, but reaches the masses through the various forms of teaching by word and writing. If one is to judge aright in this matter, two general principles must be kept in view. First, ethics is more important for mankind than science. Those who believe in revelation, know that the Commandments are the criteria by which men will be judged (Matthew 25:35-46); and those who see only as far as the light of natural reason enables them to see, know from history that the happiness of peoples and nations consists rather in moral rectitude than in scientific progress. The conclusion is that if there should ever be a conflict between science and ethics, ethics should prevail. Now, there can be no such conflict except in two cases: when scientific research leads into error, and when the teaching of science, even if true, is applied against sound educational maxims. To see that these exceptions are not imaginary, one need only glance at the points of contact between science and faith, under A. All of them indicate actual conflicts. Unpedagogical teaching is sadly illustrated by the recent movement in Germany towards premature and even public instruction on sexual relations, which provoked a reaction on the part of the civil authorities.



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technology is a tool of humanity and be used for either good or bad.depending on how you see good or bad.



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.. utilising Technology we have made ourselves into God of our own image, by making Life.

.. a good thing? Aw c'mon!?!



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Technology doesn't make us any closer to a god just a group of irresponsible kids dabbling with big boys toys.



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I've seen a lot of changes in my years......Hell, I remember when computers took up large amounts of area and only large corporations used them. Hmmmmm........no internet when I grew up or cellphones. B/W tv's to color to LED to 3D now...what changes.......it's all good and interesting.



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well, without technology, we would have possibly died out as a species. disease, and famine as well as war and basic survival are made lesser 'evils' through the appropritae uses of technological advances.

it would be wrong to deny technology of all sorts has made positive changes to the world, however, there are many times that the misuse of technology has harmed a great many people.

its not technology as such that is good or bad, its the people who misuse it for their own good or just to the detriment of others



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I think, as a species, we deserve every ounce of laziness. We faught our way to this level of technology, why shouldn't we use it? We want things done for us in seconds? Well it darn well better be done in seconds. My car is made of metal and plastics, not wood. My shoes are a synthetic material, not cow hyde. Why would I be expected to de-evolve just to save the human race that obviously want, needs, and can be at this level of intellect?



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Technology is good if not abused.
If people get more exercise.
If people would quit trying to hack other's info.
As anything it has it's ups and downs.



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man takes something new and, whats the first thing he does, make a weapon of it! whatever it is!



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Very absolutist argumentation my friend, Not every man has that in their vision, and is ignorant to say that everyone looks for what a certain group of the majority does with the gifts of life (acquirement of new knowledge). If so then why are you using a computer now, or going to the doctor to receive medical attention, or your understanding of yourself in a diminutive degree of consciousness, the way you move in the system, the way you eat, the way you experience life as in today that you might enjoy.entertain stems from the aid of technology. If you want to travel to a place/continent try walking or swimming the ocean before claiming everything man puts a hand upon is negative in nature.



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The richest of Man kind was more content throwing spears at fish from a dug out canoe than now.
Grinning he would take his mate to a bush and they would feast in the open air.They would not fret about the corrupt elite and media.
It would not occur to them to search for hidden cameras or media.
They were truly free, truly happy.

And so you think about all the rich who never truly trust and always have one eye open whilst they sleep.

Is it not so?



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I can haz make wepinz out of meh treadmillz??? (You crack me up Angelus)

Wepons are made from the weapons that preceeded them. Not from other random technologies unrelated. Now other safe technologies have been made from things that were once researched and implemented weapons. Perhaps warfare has actually done some good?



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Sorry for weighing in on my own question but, what about relativity theory, it seems unrelated, but combined with technological advancement created what?
I find merit to Firmament's comments but Angelus does have a point wouldnt you agree? (or maybe not)



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Just in case you are unaware it was an Atomic bomb...(not trying to be condescending)



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I vacationed w/o my laptop.

Denial
Anger
Fear
Loneliness
Resolution
Acceptance

Had a great time. Looked forward to home and the connection. Plugged in. Ahhh. . .



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Who says that was a negative result? The technology was magnificent, the result shed light to unimaginable concepts and understanding, is the intent behind that you must question. Technology is just an extension and manifestation of your thoughts to make concrete an idea in physicality, by creating system you create a concrete base of fundamental elements to understand other complex ones, people who are driven to use the tools to empower a passion is another ordeal, but in conclusion it is a trial and error and from that same tool they have grown to overcome the passions. Do not limit yourself on an event but expand on a idea and the evolving things that happens by each momentum.

You see if 70 percent doesn't want war and there is 30 percent that does, something must happen to get the 30 into the same rational perspective, by subtracting the desires(arrogance) and ignorance. Maybe by getting the ignorance first you will have more percent not wanting the war that in the end the war will just be suspended on the ones making the decisions (arrogance). Without people aware of what they are doing and being under fear, as long as you will have things like this happening for the betterment of awareness. Once people realize what they have become this what they are, is when will all seize to occur, because there is no one to build the rockets, no one to launch it, no one to manufacture it, no one to follow the war, only the little arrogance left is manifesting without resources to create the conflict. There is a push by fear to create such things out of the tools of technology, to put a shield in yourself and to let the other rust with your desires of peace by tainted consensus.



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It was an Atomic Bomb, bomb being the important word. We had bombs for war already. It wasn't an Atomic Tupperwear bowl. That's what I was trying to get at. Most of our warfare is just an extension of things we already had for war. That is a seperate genre of technology that I do consider to be evil, but it is now our way of life.



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I would like to clear up that BOMB is a communication disfunction more than its destruction properties, is the accentuation of an ideal that someone is delivering to another. In this case designed with fear, it is the way we communicate when things can't be meddled fist to fist, is all about empowering a passion. Technology is just an object, a compound, the human nature gives it a charge (positive or negative) the object doesn't create itself, humans create it to abuse of those with less knowledge of the science behind in the infliction of fear.

That is pretty much you fighting with a person that has a gun, you only have your hands, who is most likely to survive the end? over a message being inflicted in the tools they use to manifest their passion for whatever the situation is.



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It is both
Certain inventions do wonders for us, and others just destroy things

Cell phones are a pain in the ass sometimes... cause stress and angst when they have something wrong with them. Not to mention what people do while driving...
But, they are also extremely helpful to get in touch with people.



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True but a whole different realm, like saying a tricycle is akin to a space shuttle following that line of thought we could go all the way back to first man making a flint arrowhead. and yes it is true that technology is neither good nor bad I guess the real question should have been will we survive long enough to progress as a people before being destroyed by our own technology.
I see the flaw in my original query thank you.



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Application is the determining factor for technology, leisure.. defense.. medical..

i see the tech prosthesis being introduced to the market, and the force behind the break? Extreme athletes. Societies priorities often hinder the onset of advancement.

Look back when people were encouraged to pray for better health..

That if you believed enough, you would be healed..

we still have faith healers..

we still have people that rout against breaking medical potential, all because of contrived moral dogma.

Why is it that those most paranoid of technology, have done nothing to advance society through their beliefs practice?



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"Why is it that those most paranoid of technology, have done nothing to advance society through their beliefs practice?"

In essence technology is helping the paranoid to discover another side of their own conviction. Genetics, Archaeology, Astrophysics, Theoretical Physics, Mathematics, Biology etc. It is all fear dabz, all fears.





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i think it could be use for either one depends on who uses the technology.



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I think when it come to the acutriments of war I worry about those directly in my world. We are safe/r because we have the thing that other people may fear. Call it selfish or heartless, but I am pretty freaking happy that we have the technology that keeps those without it at bay. Bomb sheltesr and Caves are a &*^%$ to decorate.



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Singularity University (SU) is an interdisciplinary university whose mission is to assemble, educate and inspire a cadre of leaders who strive to understand and facilitate the development of exponentially advancing technologies in order to address humanity’s grand challenges. With the support of a broad range of leaders in academia, business and government, SU hopes to stimulate groundbreaking, disruptive thinking and solutions aimed at solving some of the planet’s most pressing challenges. SU is based at the NASA Ames campus in Silicon Valley.

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Philosophy of Singularitarians and the Singularity Movement

At the core of Singularitarian philosophy and values lies the following proposition:

Smarter-than-human, kinder-than-human intelligence is possible and desirable.

A central Singularitarian concern is the idea of risk mediation. Even if we have a very good theory, the chance of successfully carrying out a given goal can never be 100%. All we can do is push the probability as high as we can. Creating a superintelligence is an action that inherently has an element of risk. But given the continuing acceleration of computing power and cognitive science knowledge, we do not see avoiding it as plausible.

We see the eventual creation of superintelligence as overwhelmingly likely. However, we do not see the eventual creation of benevolent superintelligence as overwhelmingly likely. What we intuitively regard as "benevolent" actually corresponds to a goal system with a substantial amount of cognitive complexity - we shouldn't expect it to just pop up in any intelligence that is "sufficiently rational".

Making a benevolent Artificial Intelligence from scratch is quite different than raising a child to be benevolent. Some children may refuse to be benevolent regardless of their upbringing, while others may be benevolent in spite of it. The primary difference lies in cognitive hardware biases: the way their brains are wired by their genes.

In coding the first AI, the programmers will be the ones setting the initial cognitive hardware biases. Rather than creating selfish organisms in the way that biological evolution does, the first AI should be a selfless entity, one that is only interested in self-preservation or personal accomplishments insofar as they are of help to others.

The first AI should make a large effort to understand human issues and preferences before taking action to fulfill them in ways we approve of. This shouldn't require the AI to become a human itself; but high-quality mental simulations (better than the internal simulations humans have of each other) may be necessary to reach favorable outcomes.

http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/sing/philosophy.htm



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that is true about the bomb shelters but what happens if the bomb shelters fail then they will do no good at all?



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Technology is a good thing, it is natural for humans to make some sort of technology to help with our lives. ever since humans invented fire, or spears to hunt with, we have been using some sort of technology to aid us in our daily activities.



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Technology good or bad? Both without a doubt. As so many have been saying, it is how it is used that is the determining factor. Man has a knack for taking something good and using if for bad, then also taking something bad and using it for good. So is technology the problem, or is the end user?



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.. as the end user is also the creator, in this instance, surely the answer is obvious.. technology = BAD.



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It sure does seem that way sir....lol. It sure has taken a lot of imagination away from the younger generations. But one never knows when something is going to come along and balance that out, seems mother nature has a way to fix things. Hmmmm, but is that not the lack of technology? *ponders and wonders on this*



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Wether we like it or not we move to advance. Some times we could do without it but overall Technology is a saver to us. I for one believe we are advancing to fast at times and some things I wonder wat the hell. But in the end I have to say it is good.



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If we are to move forward we need to advance our technology. At times we dont agree with it but them the breaks.



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It becomes a matter of obsolete tech, and how quickly people want flasher tech, anyone notice how most "upgrades" are accessory?

It is not the excess of society that concerns me, it is the ex-excess that concerns me.



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There is one saying in our India. "Huma earlier used to live 300 years and more, then its life shorten to 100 years then became 80 years normal life and today its life ends around 60-75 years in normal case will continue next 50 years and then will shorten to 50 years and after that it will reduce much... "


This is the comment on our pollution status and life span...



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I feel Technology is both and who has their hands on it Bottom Line, I mean we are the ones who invented and grew with the Technology that we have now
I feel it is good that we can be in contact constantly by computer and cell phones etc. yet, when and where do we draw the line is my question to you.

They do use them for military use in so many different ways that plain ordinary everyday society has no clue as to what technology we actually hold to this day.

So it is both and what it is being used for and what they are programing to it, in my opinion we can become very isolated in the whole world if one person gets mad to the point to know how to hack and shut things down. Really when the electric would go out we could still shop with the calculators etc. Yet one problem most hve no clue as to actually do the brain work, that is what is sad the laziness that Technology has given us. that is very sad.



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.. I look to a gun, as an example of Man & Technology.

.. beautifully made, it is only truly dangerous when the safely is off and it's in the hands of a fool.



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I would say that technology is wonderful in many ways but can also be a horrible thing and cause many problems amongst us..



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Funny to discuss technology using our computers...lol

I love technology...makes us super-human...just look what we can do now



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technology is already with us, and has changed us from the first guy that learned to throw a rock to computers.

in the 1800s, the indian tribes used the bow less and less...
the bow took a long time to learn how to use. a rifle much less time.
if you feel that technology is robbing you of an ability, then practice that ability.
i can ride horses, live in a forest off the land, create drinking water from a bowl, some plastic wrap and the sun. i can kill a deer, dress it out, and tan its skin.
i can build a simple house, make my own simple tools..

you get the idea.

but i can also fly airplanes, discuss physics, and network computers.
so i guess the trick to survival in the world is to be adaptable.
semper gumby! (always flexible)
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technology will destroy us only if we use it for evil!



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To quote my dying grandmother at 96..."You know, not all technological advances are ACTUALLY a good thing"...
P.s.
Although Nuking that Oil hole makes perfect sense to me.AN.



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I feel that we have gone way past those days of not being dependant on technology. Perhaps one day it will destroy us and also could also quite possibly save us..



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A44 ~ yes, look what we can do Now?

.. pollute, nuke and rape the planet we live on.
.. wonderful.



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Technology itself is neither good nor evil; only our actions make it so.



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Technology has made communication Impersonal, Impersonal relations have no real foundation on which to build trust and lead to all manor of social disfunction.
And on to a desensitized society that deem all manor of Ideology as normal.
TV, IM, Tweet, and what I am currently engaged in.
At this point there is no escaping it short of an E M P, and that is so extreme that I would not like to ever see it.
No the path has been set and I feel like a child born aboard a fast moving train never knowing the feel of the steady earth asking how do I get off this ride.



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Maybie not in my lifetime, but yes. I do think that it will destroy the whole world, nay, the whole universe.



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technology is indifferent to good and evil. Only humans make them bad.



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"The richest of Man kind was more content throwing spears at fish from a dug out canoe than now.
Grinning he would take his mate to a bush and they would feast in the open air.They would not fret about the corrupt elite and media.
It would not occur to them to search for hidden cameras or media.
They were truly free, truly happy.

And so you think about all the rich who never truly trust and always have one eye open whilst they sleep.

Is it not so?"

Then they would go back to their village - watch others starve - try to avoid living near feces, worry quite a bit about diseases - and if they did all that they'd live a good solid 30 years. You can't paint it as all roses.


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People who are upset with the state our planet is in, go live on another one. Oh, that's right, this is the only one we have got. So that means you are just talking bad about yourselves. The word "We" includes you, me, and everyone else.

One thing I know is that "WE" are much better off than We were many years ago. I like the fact that I probably will not die of Polio or Measles. I like the fact that if I need to keep someone from killing me there is the technology to facilitate that protection. If I break a bone, It is highly likely that I will not die from infection and will have that bone repaired to the state it was originally in. I can travel the span of our country without dying from dysentery. (Most of you remember Oregon Trail) And I can watch all the other people complain about it from my computer, while they are typing away on their seeds of destruction, called technology.



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So the question was about technology and is it good or bad? Well, There’s a fellow in Tokyo who now has a product that’s now selling on the internet, a frellin Lightsabre!

Now okay, it’s called the Spyder lll ProArtic; but it produces a blue laser and its owner is provided with goggles and what about the person at the other end, the one it could blind or burn?

Someone thought it was a good idea to make this thing, just think of it’s potential; it is classed as a weapon; and is to be stored under lock and key.

But, it was made, it will be bought; and, here will be accidents and deaths. That is the nature of human beings. Creation and destruction: with imagination, of course.



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My post was sarcastic... Yes, we leave a super-human foot print. A single person can consume and destroy today what used to take 100's of people in the past.



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My apoligies then: I did not read it as such.



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Angelus you keep using single examples while ignoring all examples of technology saving someone (of which there are far more than deaths caused - in fact, technology is the reason we are overpopulated right now - a downside). It's like you're deliberately ignoring the points others are making in an obtuse manner.



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The simple fact is that technology is here to stay and I look to the future with a sense of apprehension and worry. I do not know what tomorrow will bring, but I know that real life does not follow hollywood's version such as Star Trek or any other examples of a future one world where all human ills are addressed by a benevolent super high tech society. We cant even plug an oil leak for gods sake.
Argue what you will but humans as a whole seem to have many similarity's to the disease cancer, and like cancer there doesnt seem to be a cure for our destructive nature.



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I thiunk ThothLestat's comment summed it up. With all the technology that we have at hand it would be best defined by whose hands it in.



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I only skimmed over the responses but I agree with Thoth. Technology is neither good nor bad, it just is. Furthermore, it's not going away any time soon. It is the uses to which people put it to that are good or bad.

Should technology be banned because of this? Definitely not. That's like saying, someone once drew a bad picture. Therefore all artworks should be banned.



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.. no-one is intimating it should be shut away I believe: just that as man is in control, we must be areful not to lose sight of what harm could be done.



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Technology good. Human bad.



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yet when you mix the two than the balance swings twice as much



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Yes, technology plays a role in natural selection.

I invite people to google Darwin Awards.



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.. if technology is so good: why are so many obese? And, why can so few spell??



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.. if, BIG IF ..this Earth ever acts to get it’s own back on my for all we have done to it, in the name of progress, we’re dead.



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We, the human race that has technology, have let it dumb us down. It has changed our language, the way we spell words, and how we communicate. At one time we would be meeting someplace to have this discussion, to see the emotions that each may present in an argument. But now we type it so millions can see it, others can twist it, some can use it in a good fashion. But still there is not that emotion, that connection, the understanding by feeling another's emotions that one gets when face to face.
Again, Is Technology Good or Bad? BOTH. It is our choice how it is used. And yes Angulus, sorry if misspelled, IF MOTHER NATURE decides to self correct we are so screwed in so many BIG WAYS.



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a great topic Waitsforthemoon...i have to say, i think technology is a good thing but placed in the wrong hands its a bad thing. if we had not discovered or invented some technologies, would there be so many of us here?

i think the next question is: should we be deciding who gets to use it if it can be used in a bad way, or do we hope that good sense prevails?



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Watched a docu last night called Google: baby. I think that was the name. Sort of a combo biotechnical/commercial enterprise in the egg, sperm, surrogate business. Eggs and sperm from the U.S. transferred to India where the wombs are cheap.

Requests for the cut rate European-featured baby fly in from around the world. The eggs from a woman in Appalachia who is risking cancer by injecting herself with drugs to up her egg production, while at the same time admitting that most of the money is going into remodeling their home and her hubby's guns. She's explaining this while scooting a big screen T.V. around the room while her husband spackles a wall in a hostile manner. To be fair he could be depressed. The only time he perks up is when he's talking about his guns.

The women in India also want a house. They have to be married and have produced at least one viable child. The fertilized eggs are implanted and for the next 9 mons they must live in the surrogate home. While showing off the home bought with his wife's womb wages, one husband says, "Women are stupid. We all know women are stupid, but this time she did a smart thing." He's saying this in front of his wife to another surrogate. Shocked realization is on the surrogate's face, and the wife looks sad and ashamed. The husband is clueless.

The contrast between street life in India and the relative peace, order, and cleanliness that exists in the surrogate home is stark.

Saw a picture of the thatched huts some village girls (in many parts of the world) are banished to during menstruation. On the one hand, they are made to feel ashamed. On the other, they look real peaceful and rested.

This is relevant to technology only in that it involves the exploitation of women.

Next, let's discuss the organ theft/sales from third world countries.



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i think it would depend on the type of tech. you were talking about. some is good some i feel may be bad.



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Bloodmother.. while I make no attempt to refudiate what you say, all it goes to evidence, is that man [woman] will use whatever tech is available to better themselves.. even if in this case it is their womb, or Life they may be playing with..



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The push for more fantastic leisure devices can dull the creative edge of certain individuals, they lash out at practical technology, anything that challenges their accepted ideals is
a threat.



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Technology can and IS a good thing in some ways, for instance in the medical fields, it has saved lives. But moreover........

Technology is great if used with responsibility. The dependence I see will be the destruction of more than just the human race....every living thing will suffer in some form.
I see the destruction of the planet, plus the earth itself has become much smaller in a way because of it.

People have forgotten how to live on their own. They have forgotten how to live with the simple things , to use their imaginations their abilities to self entertain. I see it in kids all the time ...in my day we made our own fun.... I mean how many kids do you know these days that climb a tree , build a fort or spend their time outside in general...DOING something.....ANYTHING constructive? People are TOO dependent on technologies in this way.

It is scary and I am glad I was born in a time where I could experience life as life and not through some sort of digital device.



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I think that technology should change before anything else...the power source for all technology should be one of two things...either 1) the global Tesla coil network, imagined by the ingenius scientist/inventor Nicholi Tesla...or 2) miniature reactor cells, but not nuclear reactor, but bioreacors...to me a bioreactor would be a small power cells that uses actually living cellular lifeforms to generate a power source...

Another thing is that our technology should change its primary function...our technology should center around not only providing us with service or work of some kind, but also inhancing the environment and replenishing the atmosphere...this can be done by using forms of technology that feed on pollution and release viable atmosphere as a by-product.

All technology on and off Earth (including space shuttles and stations and satelites) before the current forms of technology cause too much damage to repair.



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Technology is making us soft because we are loosing the skills necessary to solve problems without it. Plus, with the upcomimg solar flares we will lose the ability to use the technology we have today. 2012 is coming!



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Doru, you're right 2013 is when the solar flares are due to knock out the satellites, yey no more mobile phones.

BUT Oh no Prince Ozzy has given into the scientists as to why he's still alive!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1287048/Scientists-analyse-Ozzy-Osbournes-blood-alive.html

this could be bad, he will get us rumbled.



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Technology gone wrong: the gulf oil spill. Somehow we can't seem to cork it. Not against tech. Love it. It's human error that terrifies me.



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LordFawn.. what you're suggesting is possible, but would take men to work together, to do so: can you see that happening?



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Now Algea cells may have saved you. Unfortunately man repeatedly voted and elected oily waters and dirty short term gain. Now you are paying the boatman. For he will not take you cleanly across polluted waters until man is truly penitent.Bows and vanishes.



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23:19:31 Jun 18 2010
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we rely on it now...
but there's nothing wrong with that...
EVERY animal in the world is reliant on something
whether it be another species or technology
it's natural...in an odd artificial way
lol



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.. articial, 'see man-made'; see built-in obsolescence, to promote consumerism.



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I follow you on that Angulus.

The excess byproduct of technology is a strain on resources as well. There are catigories for technology, and leisure tech is the catigory that places the greatest strain on resources.



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Angelus
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.. and, only the Chinese have the mineral rights to erm, minerals.. needed for the new green technologies..does that mean mineral wars with China??

[Typo from impassioned typing!]



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MindxBender
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I wouldn't be surprised if someone didn't try to start a mineral war with them! The population is mostly greedy if i do say so myself!



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We all rely on Technology way too much in my * opinion, I mean how many of the younger generation could actually survive with out it? I mean in the sense as to actually depend on themselves and live off the land.. my guess is very few can or even know what that means.
Myself I feel that the day will come where they will have to live off the land and not have technology or machines, cell phones etc. then what lay down and die .. I mean really it i sad.

When I went toschool I had to depend on my own noggin* Brain, today they use laptops and calculators and etc etc. for simple basic things, to me that is bad and makes the next generation weak in a sense when it comes down to survival.

There are so many pro's and con's to this question that bottom line it is how one wants to look at it.



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Angelus
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.. me? I'm looking forward to the next lot of power-cuts like we knew here in the seventies: that'll teach 'em to have expectations ~ that won't be able to be met!

**Laughs at the idea**



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Techno-lust? This article short and to the point:

June 18, 2010
The Half-Life of Phones

June comes, and a new iPhone is introduced to the world, creating a shock wave of obsolescence. In the aftermath of first-day preordering chaos last week — caused, apparently, by a major computer glitch — it is worth thinking about the cycle of novelty and the very brief half-life of handheld electronics. There is something feverish in the rush to adoption, something almost obsessive in the way our desires are driven by these objects. The question is rarely ever, do I need a new phone? It is almost always, do I want one?

Few objects on the planet are farther removed from nature — less, say, like a rock or an insect — than a glass and stainless steel smartphone. And yet the materials of which it is made have ultimately all been abstracted from nature, resources consumed in the long chain of the manufacturing process, very few of which — apart from the packing materials — have been recycled. Nearly everyone who buys an iPhone 4 will be replacing an older phone, which means a cascade of discarded phones, some handed down to other users, some recycled, some disposed of in appropriate ways, and some simply junked.

How many cellphones have you owned so far? The answer will depend on your age and technical savvy. But if you have been using cellphones, as many of us have, since the mid-1990s, the answer may well be a dozen or more. And the pace of change — the in-built functionality of smartphones — is only increasing, which is likely to mean an even faster rate of replacement. We are not immune to techno-lust or the seduction of great product design or even the unattainable quest for call clarity. But we look forward to a day when new phones are made from the carcasses of our old phones and the cost of obsolescence is not so high.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/opinion/20sun4.html?th&emc=th



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Angelus
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So well said 'BloodMother', exemplifies all I hold dear..
..an truth be told, Capitalism is the progenitor of built-in obsolescence: and as recent events have illustrated, that doesn't work either.



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Technology is good or bad, depending on who has it. Ultimately, technology will not make or break us as a species, but the decisions we make regarding use of technology will.



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ContessaIsabella
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"Technology" is actually killing you.

http://www.ptinews.com/news/728828_Humans-will-be-extinct-within-100-years--scientist-



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good or bad dependin on the hands its in u have to be smarter than wat ur workin with



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WaitsForTheMoon
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Thank you all who posted their opinions, I don't see anything new so I will end this thread.
The overall consensus seems to be that technology is neither good nor bad. It can only be deemed good or bad according to how it is utilized. it is the nature of man that will determine whether or not we will survive our own creations.



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