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OK, I've seen the threads on the existence of parrallel universes. My question to you now is: "Do you believe there can be a crossing or interaction between two or more universes"? And if so, how do you suppose this can be done, and how does it affect us directly?

High energy and a link that one has established able to bridge the two planes.

(the full metal alchemist movie references the best representation i have ever seen depected of how it would be successfully accomplished, as well as the intent. Mind the theatrics, but the theory is sound)

I believe we "cross" parallel universes with every decision or choice we make. Under some theories of quantum physics - when it comes to parallel universes - they are not described as largely and quickly different. The closest (if you can use closest) of these universes are only very subtly different than our current universes.

If you should see living as separate moments vs. linear sections, it would be easier to understand this. But in some theories, by making a one choice over another, you "leap" to to the parallel universe that accommodates that choice.

Look up Schroedinger's Cat or Quantum Suicide for more information on this.

Also, there have been scientific studies on this subject. I was in a conversation with a co-worker once about quantum physics. He told me that there had been experiments, where the scientist had been observing particles. And, in every one of the tests, there was interference.....as if the particles were taking up space being occupied by something else. My co-worker went on to say that the scientists came to the conclusion that the particles were being moved aside by the presence of the exact same bits of matter in a parallel universe. I don't know how much of it I believed, but, hey, it's a fascinating thought, no?

I think the experiment your friend was talking about is the "double slit experiment" which is "Funky." It is considered - by some - to be the Grand-Daddy of experiments in Quantum physics. It introduces theories of the "Observer Effect" - another element to parallel universes and objective reality.

Do you know if this 'Observer Effect' is also the same thing that states that the very act of observing a phenomena changes it?

Yes, that is what was proven in the "Double Slit" experiment.

In fact if the two collided it may disrupt one universe in the path it travels. its like saying two idenities may not be in one spot. a doorway possible to leap or project to the other yes i do believ this to be true.

I feel that when we make decisions, we are put into our parellel lives. I mean even 1 little thing can change an outcome in the universe. it just is does people believe in the fact that it exist is my question, I feel we have two planes that controls our lives and our decisions that we make is how or when we cross, may sound nutty yet. I believe that my Parallel self made a different decision than I so their life is different than mine, I totally believe it is possibhle.

That is where the question "what if?" come into play, and if two were to actually meet up than it causes a ripple effect or even your death in both places.

it is just how I feel because I know for a fact that you cannot occupy the same space and time with out some consequences. That is where I feel people have gotten on a path of self destruction, because of their decisions that they made.

i think we can cross... i don't know much about astral travels, and i can do it, it just happens to me... and since years ago when i didn't even know how to call it and i think that in each travel, in a certain way, i cross to other dimensions or universes if you want to call it...
now, there was a time, not so long ago, when i was trying a shield protection spell for a friend who was being attacked by some kind of beings and it went wrong and i had those beings in my house, making a mess... i saw the mess, but i couldn't see them... but i could feel them...i knew they had a physical form...

Maybe we cross frequently, and not realise it. ever missed something that you are sure was where you left it - but it's not there? then later it is there.

I think that it could be true, but I have never realized that is happening if it does. I don't know, this subject has always confused me, I will definitely be reading this thread more often.

Have you ever thought that a Parrallel universe could explain a lot of myths, vampire, werewolves, bigfoot,etc mybe there where some have came from

all universe interact with one nother and they all are interlink somewhere, they make it possible to cross sometimes but not regulaly, not on a regula basis, it is mostly on some rare occasions but they still are, as everything is inter link, we want it or not they are.

I would imagine that the universes coincide with us in the same way we do with other people..we enter another persons life..touch it lightly..and then are gone..I would imagine that the parallel universes are like this as well.

I think there is a point somewhere the world intersect all the time or aleast most of the time

Look to the mirror, look to your dreams, look to quantum physics as stated above, look to the myths and legends theory. Look at life as a choose your own adventure with the differant dimensions theory as stated above. Dimensions are prevailant in the aspect of every day life.

I believe its possible, Some of us actually travel between them on a regular basis.
Dreams? astral travel? Who knows how they do it.

If you believe in the string theory of quantam mechanics then there are 10 maybe 11 dimensions. You have common areas that interact with other dimensions. Very well could be the Bermuda Triangle and other places on earth that have a high magnetic force.

karnstein,

That happens to me all the friggin time! Usually involving my Comb, or Cell Phone. I became so irritated by it I rigged a Camera System to watch it ... No Dice

Anyway.. I believe the Possibility of Alternate Universes but am not totally convinced. Too many anomalies to sift through. Although there have been times I'll be out in Public and Could have sworn there was a car behind me or a building infront of me and blink of an eye it's gone.

That used to be their explanation for what happens to things drawn in to a blackhole. Recently they have found it be nothing more than dark mass, which is the result of an imploded sun falling in on itself hyper compacting its own matter and achieving a gravitational pull so strong that not even light moves fast enough to escape it resulting in it appearing to be black. and the more stuff including planets and everything that gets pulled in the bigger it gets.

I agree with Mindseed.I feel they do cross at times,and since everything is connected it could change the outcome in both parellel Universes.Or we could leap to the one a decision was made and be stuck there.I hope we do get to come back eventually.
KA

I think deja vu happens because two parrallel worlds are crossing each other and we remember something we have already done in a parrallel world, so yes i believe...

Some type of time displacement would probably be needed.

Maybe we cross frequently, and not realise it. ever missed something that you are sure was where you left it - but it's not there? then later it is there.
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or how about you are sure you had that particular object in front of you,but it suddenly vanishes,could it be it?

I wouldn't ignore the dejavu idea either...

deathnitegrl~
I think that is possible also, i am always putting things in places, and i know for a fact that i put them their, and then a hour later its in a totally different place, parrallel worlds could explain some of thoes times...

I believe man has been crossing over and vice versa.
Shaman get to communicate and have the same contacts the world over yet with no communication with each other, also astral ascending is convincing and the feeling of the same beings is universal. Only problem with astral ascending is people try when going to sleep so guess what you do and dream. Astral work should like shaman be done in meditation.

I believe that brigdes may exist or may be created. There are many things that we do not realise by using our senses. It is probable though that there are worlds close to our world, yet invisible to us. I am sorry I can not suggest you a way of visiting a parallel universe but I think I have many years in front of me before I can prove that 1+1=2....

You would think that a lot of energy would be displace when the worlds cross...

Yes. It can be done and it has been done. I've done it once myself but by mistake through deep meditation. Well, it's wasn't me in body. I projected myself there.

I do not believe in parrallel universes. But if there were said things they shouldn't be able to cross due to the fact that they coexist with each other in different realms

I believe that they coexist on different planes and that we cross between them quite often, but most of the time do not notice.

I do believe there can be a crossing which I think is part of the time that we see spirits or other things one instance, and that they are gone the next. Like all the books of faerie. It is there, around all of us...but we can't see it most of the time.

I personally think this has been Done and knowledge has been gained but so many times the Government likes to keep us in the Dark about so many things..

scientist have been studying this. Black holes in space may be the key.

Our Mind or spirit exists independently of the physical brain

I believe that it's possible that when you dream you cross into a parallel universe.
There's an idea that we exist in multiple universes, that every decision we make, we make the opposite decision in another world. Who knows, that could be true.

i think it happends in every day life we just dont realize it

Yes, I do believe that there can be a crossing between universes. I'm not too sure how this is done but it probably is done through meditation or something like that.

I think the veils are thinning between the dimensions and thats why we are noticing these things more.

I feel this happens when we die, or sleep.

i think the butterfly effect is a great example of alternate dimension(realities)

semi going back in time, however one theory was what if he didnt but instead he was able to bridge over to another reality(dimension)
and since 2 of the same cant coexist at the same time they merged and he retained his memories and that of his alternate.

I think it is possible perhaps we all do it all the time and never realize we did it or it was so fast that it didnt happen
like when your sitting around you hear your name being called and yet you dont see anyone

or walking the mall someone walks up to you knows your entire life story and knows you but you have honestly never met them,

these could all be crossing effects which are taken for granted

I have heard it said that we live in two or more paralell universes at the same time though we don't realize it. One universe is the one that we inhabit during our "daytime" life, and the others during our dream cycles.

Yes I think that the different dimensions to cross from time to time.

impossible. they're called parallel not perpendicular worlds.

if ever they should meet it would be hard to imagine. they might become the same therefor they become one again perhaps when the divide narrows once more.

I think that if we can be made to be aware of them then we can be in them as well. I am not aware of how but ......

I'm going to break this down for my own head to wrap around.

Parallel - two lines existing side by side with all points on one line an equal distance from corresponding points on the second line, and which never intersect.

Universe - all particles and energy that exist and the space-time in which all events occur. In essence, everything.

So - by definition, they should be two universes (two everythings) traveling along the same continuum and never coming into contact with each other. Because we are a part of this space-time continuum, and everything we do, say, and perceive is also a part of that - I'll have to say that even if a parallel universe did exist we wouldn't be able to cross over into it.

If what you said above was that the particles interacting with something that isn't there is considered evidence of an alternate universe (as opposed to a parallel one) I would suggest that this is more evident of anti-matter.

I have never really given that much thought, but it was a very interesting thread.

that would be a question best presented to a quantum theorist or something.... the closest i could say we get is in dreams and astral projection

that i know of, your vibrations need to be really high and well, you need to get rid of ego completely.....

Q/ "Do you believe there can be a crossing or interaction between two or more universes"?

a/ That depends on your personal opinion about what a universe is or what it represents. I see universes as spiritual dimensions and yes there can be interaction at a very intense point, totally constant and never stopping.


Q/ And if so, how do you suppose this can be done, and how does it affect us directly?

a/ I can only speak for myself and the way I see it, it can be done through a life completely without self indulgence, focused on a certain specific personal view of what God is and dedicated to that ideal.

Interesting that I mentioned this on a reponse to the posting on mirrors.

I want to believe that there is/are parallel realities, but one would not be able to exist with their duplicate in the other plane (the collision). But I do believe that you would be capable of viewing the other plane if the circumstances could support it.

The co-existing copies of beings may fall under the concepts of two objects occupying the same space at the same time.

But there may also be a concern of the alternate plane is NOT a parallel plane but an opposite plane, and attempting to co-exist would nullify the existance of both (the whoe matter/anitmatter approach).

lol people have made up some funny shit over the years but this ones up there with the world is flat

I belive the link to the multiverse is on te spirit plane and tat trough that all planes can be crossed to if your smart you take the knowledge gain from them and use it in your life on this lane

I blieve its through dreams and spiritual exsistances

well, when we see ghost, i believe we are seeing diffenet planes of existence(parallel universes..) and also that feeling you get when you are in certain places that are warm then get really cold like in a haunted house.. thats just energy leaking out from another plane into ours. the spiritual incarnates though are people who have either really good karma or havent finished what the were supposed to do in this plane before crossing over to another one.

visions, or feelings of what is or could be can provide a connection on the physical plain.. to do more would have to be on the astral plain, I believe.

I believe in Parallel Universes they are between time and space and for everything we do and decision we make there are always different paths to take and which ever decision we choose a different will be made in that dimension .

Now that I've managed to sift through this tread, I have to come to but one conclusion:

Lots of bullshit!

Sorry, but hearsay, misinformation and ignorance are not useful ingredients for discussing theories in quantum physics.

Since it seems I'm the resident physicist here, let's start the teaching:

First, the "double slit experiment" and "observation changes the result" ...
The experiment can be used to prove the dualistic nature of light. It's behaving like a particle beam in one instance, and like a wave propagation in another. This has absolutely no relevance of any kind to theories of parallel universes.
The fact that observation changes the experiment is a - if one thinks it through - logical necessity (though only directly observable in quantum experiments) of the fact that any observation needs the instrument used to interact somehow with whatever it is we want to observe ... If it interacts, the experiment is not precisely the same as a non-observed one, thus - bingo!

Now back to those parallel universes. As it happens in most discussions we have again a case of sloppy semantics here.
Someone tried talking about alternate instead of parallel. Another started explaining about parallel lines never meeting one another - BTW, that's only true in case of the applicability of euclidean geometry, so in fact, that statement is not true in all but one instance ...

So first, is there a difference if someone says alternate universe or parallel universe?

What should be the precise difference between universes we are talking here?

Are you using the term "universe" in an astrophysical, quantum-physical or metaphorical sense?

Depending on those answers there are other questions which have to be asked, BEFORE jumping into the discussion.

Otherwise any discussion remains pointless, your statements invalid and the whole tread just a load of bullshit.

No, I don't think there is a way for that to happen.

"Are you using the term "universe" in an astrophysical, quantum-physical or metaphorical sense?"

Let's first start by saying, forget about trying define the way in which you're using the word universe (astrophysical or otherwise) for without the universe there really aren't any of those concepts, unless you're using it to refer to everything including those concepts.

Second, I'll agree, it was a bit redundant, if not just plain stupid, for me to try and differentiate between alternate and parallel, which BTW - thinking in terms of projective geometry where the two lines meet at infinity could not apply here as we would still be subject to the laws of time in this conversation, i.e. we would have to be at a measured moment in time in order to cross over to said "parallel universe". If you're considering lines in space, then see my statement regarding universe = everything. By that consideration, it would no longer be a parallel universe - it would be a universe within a universe which is impossible.

I just want to say that the answers that a person gets to a question is going to depend on where and to whom the question is asked. If you ask a question about quantum physics to a bunch of vampires in an online forum for those online vampires you are going to get answers that deal with speculation and guessing, even a little fantasy. I think it is wrong to label those answers as ignorant or even bullshit. If you are looking for answers dealing only with quantum physics then maybe you should spend your time in a quantum physics forum rather than a vampire forum.

Still, the question has to be clearly defined to be useful. No matter where you ask it, if it's ambiguous and semantically unclear, and you ask it in a forum where you can not postulate the same background for every one participating all you'll get is cow manure.

And, no, I don't think that not knowing is a valid excuse for mudding the water... So it doesn't matter what kind of forum one ask a questions in. If it's clearly defined, then the one asking has a right to expect clear answers, not lot's of static because everybody chirps in with bits and pieces of fantasy or colour perception or whatever one says just to hear his or her own voice ...

You are correct SarraS. It seems like some of the questions are impossible to answer intelligently. I appologize.

this is all so interesting but is going way over my head.

k maybe in 1000 years but till then im thinking alot of dreaming needs 2 b done

All things are connected ....So therefore there must be a path..........