Another contoverial topic.
What is your opinion on Ouija Boards? Can they be used to talk to spirits of the dead, demons, angels, or any other supernatural beings?
I think it all comes down to one thing, a focus of energy. Whether it is just everyone in the group pushing the pointer to create answers 'subconsciously' or not COULD be debatable. But still....
More often that not, and I mean every 99 times out of 100, that's exactly what it is.
This topic get's posted every now and again, yeah.
There are a mass of old threads related to the Ouija, such as this one:
here
and this one
here
If I were you, I would peruse these two threads as they seem to be the longest in the lot.
Do a vampirerave search for the subject to fine the other related threads.
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Vampirewitch39 Royal Sire (204) Posts: 1,069 Honor: 12,069 [ Give / Take ] |
I am going to leave the links to the older threads up as they do hold information. While doing a search on these threads is great, you are welcome to make a new thread on the subject.
But let's have this understand- topics will be repeated. You will see the same subjects posted over and over if you are a member of this site longer then a few months.
Just because we talked about it once back in 2009, and in Nov of 2011- doesn't mean another thread can't or shouldn't be made. :) New members bring in new opinions, different point of views. Let's welcome this.
Rule is a thread/ topics can be open again after 30 days. Just a few points to remember- now back to the subject.
~Vampirewitch~, respect.
I ment no harm nor foul while posting said links... on the contrary. Some of the newer members may not have been aware of said search so I took it upon myself to guide them accordingly.
They may benefit from past threads relating to this or any other topic based on the V.R. search engine alone.
And thank you for keeping the links intact, I am sure they will benefit not only members of this audience... but members of the Rave that peruse this thread as well.
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That is fine Soulshroude and old threads are great learning tools.
Just don't want members to think they can't post due to 'it has already been covered' post.
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i think oujii boards invites spirits in ur home and if you dont do it properly u can bring demonic enteties in your home and that can be dangerous.
I did a search and it timed out on me...makes it hard to find the threads, thanks.
I agree with Aphroditie, but I think its more complicated than that. Sometimes it is played as a game, and that could lead to trouble if some type of protection spell or something along that line isn't used. I personally don't have one, and don't plan on it. I don't need any polterquists or demons hanging out in my house. I'd be afraid of letting something in.
So the subject came about because when I was in grade school my grandmother had one in the basement. I did not know this. Every time I when in the basement alone, I was creeped out. Then one day the thing came flying off the shelf and landed on the floor in front of me. Scared me half to death at 7 years old. I screamed and ran back upstairs then when grandma came down there, the damn thing was back on the shelf.
Every since then they have freaked me out.
just like tarot cards runes and other tools of the occult its based on what each individual believes in
ouija boards myself believe that are real and as long as you use them correctly and know that others believe its a game etc you should protect yourself and others before using
I've never had a negative experience from Ouija boards. I find them very fun and entertaining. No matter why they're being used, one can not use them casually though.
I've heard so many people with bad moments with them because they take it lightly, as a game.
My experiences were enjoyable, finding them great tools for communication and opening doorways but I was careful who I used them with and how we used them.
While I like Tarot cards, Ouija Boards scare me. I handled one when I was around 11 or 12, and I felt cold dread. Haven't been near one since.
I have used the board for many years. Now I eat bread and cheese off one of mine. It's a great bread board and the beasts loved learning how to spell from it when they were growing up, much to Mrs bans horror!
She believed the horror stories as most people do...Even though years ago I showed her proof that the board was a great ice breaker. It still makes her uneasy. Old habits die hard I guess!
The first debunking of the board was over ...I think 100 years ago. Think it is in the previous links
I was going to buy another one from my local 'toy shop' but they had sold out...gutted!
"Never in Human History have so many been enslaved by so few"
The intent to get the attention of wandering spirits with things like quija boards can work well. Once you have the attention be sure you can deal with it. I recommend keeping yourself awake for 3 days and eat as little as possible during this time. Call out to the spirits at the same time every night while gazing at the board. While staring at the quija board make small cuts all over your body Asking the spirits to speak thru this board to you. Smear the blood on the board then play... And have fun. }: )
FireSerpent -
As I don't know you, I'm not sure if you were being serious or sarcastic - lol.
But - it would seem that if there are any spirits floating around nearby, blood would be good item to attract them with, ie like the Japanese 'hungry ghosts'.
Lot6s of people I've spoken with seem terrified of them. Are they that dangerous?
Blood attracts more than spirits, this comment scares me a little. I hope the unprotected do not try it. It can have serious consequences. I have had one other experience with ouija, and it was an awakening of the senses I did not know I had. This is where the blood advise comes from. It was a very interesting experience, but It lasted 2 years and was difficult to seperate from the time between real and dreams.
As Fire recommends, if you are going to 'play' with something, might as well play with it right. If your intent is to make contact, elevate the experience. After all its just a board, what could a little blood hurt ; )
I do believe they have powers. I have one. When we lived in our other house, I kept it under our couch :)
OmegaSupreme
They are very dangerous....that's why children and adults can buy them in toy/novelty shops*chuckles*
I belive it depends on who is using it. It makes no difference how you attemp to communicate with a board or any other tool. There are those who have no idea that they hold any type of power and can be natural mediums. (Take a group of young teenagers playing with a Ouija board if 1 in the group has just reached puberty and doesn't know they have the potential as a medium things could go very bad and no longer be 'just a game'.) I have used Ouija many times and have had some scary experiences,and even though I now know what to look for I am very careful. Some demons will use the board as a way to enter, in the experiences I have had a large looping figure 8 has been a herold of a evil intent. This may not be the case for anyone else just my personal experiences. So like I said depending on WHO is using it and HOW it can either be just a game, or it can be a powerful tool.
I've heard from several different people not to mess with Ouija boards due to a certain demon that has taken to I guess you could say "intercepting calls" from us humans that wish to contact the dead. It's name is ZOZO and it is ruthless. Please don't fuck with Ouija boards unless you have someone that knows what they are doing with you or you've been trained properly.
Zozo? Sounds pretty scary! However I do believe that the majority of spirits and beings who frequent Ouija boards are
"negative", there can be some good experiences as with the ying there is the yang. But, think of it like this, would a higher advanced being who has infinite knowledge of the universe sit around an wait for a dumb human to call them from a board? Don't think so! Not saying it can't happen but probably on a rare occasion.
I cant believe that a game company actually got away with patenting/copywriting this.
I tend to think as a party tool it gets a lot of guys laid- I mean who doesnt find it sexy(a ghost telling you to fuck so and so).
On a more serious note yeah your state of mind is important like FS mentioned. There seems to be alot of mysticism built up around it so there is plenty of power to be tapped, but as Shalina warns most who want to 'play' are dabblers at best and tend to get burnt.
Outofsync I have to be honest and say this is exactly what I did when I was younger...well the group I was with all did it.
People can be so easily manipulated, rather like religion!
Zozo..Mojo..what ever!
As for being experienced with the board lol..what can I say.
ok i must admit there have been times that no matter how hard we tried or what we did we could not get any response from the 'spirits' (i use this general term for the sake of arguement) like Theban said we could have uses the board to serve cheese and wine and gotten more use from it.Maybe spirits, demons etc. are precotious and think y would they come when called by mere humans to a 'toy' like moonlight savage said. i doesnt always work for me no matter how powerful a medium i may be or the people with me. its a hit and miss system( tho its more hits and misses with me) regardless being careful and making preparations is ALWAYS a good idea before using a board
In my younger years have had many times playin with the board but not once was there ever any kind of spirit visits or movement soo for myself i think not but maybe all in whose doin it an how much energy is goin into it an focus
When using the board, the first rule to follow is protection... the second rule to follow is be very careful in what questions you ask. You never know what/who may answer you, and you never know what its intentions on for answering you.
Just be very careful
demonic or evil spirits are notorious liars! also if you try to ask a question that only a certain spirit may know the answer to (i.e a friend or relative who has past) be careful evil and dark spirits are sometimes able to answer these correctly...
couldnt that mean that in the spirit world,all things are relitive,including thoughts and memories?
I love reading people interpetations about this subject. as for me, yes I own one, yes I have used it, do i use it now, no because I can use other means as a medium. You don't need a board to commune with the otherside, in fact I have drawn the same symbols bound on a board on a piece of paper, used a capped ink pen and wala, I have a way to commune...the board was a way for the gaming industry to make money, plain and simple. The reason for bad things happening is non-believers, and those that think it's a joke. Now i read on here someone at age 7 had a board fly at them, my interpetation of that is maybe the board wanted you to take up in your grandmother's footsteps, depending on if your grandmother blessed her board.
Before I use any board I wipr it clean back and front with my hand, turn it over and say a pray of protection and then use a magickal symbol of protection. This is how I use the board. Problem is, being a medium I get very weak and tired if I used it for prolonged use. But now that I have children of my own, it sits tucked away in my attic.
They are fine as long as you follow all the rules.. if you open the way to a evil spirit your opening a door that's hard to close. The very first question you ask should be are you a evil or good spirit sun means good moon bad. If it moves to moon immediately say goodbye and close The board
The way of nor folloswing the rules has even lead to movies being produced. I wonder if the whole media view is blown out of proportion!
I'm no expert but I always thought that using Ouija boards is dangerous if you don't know what your doing as you could let all sorts of spirts, demons etc in and it's hellishly difficult to get rid of them (no pun intended!)
MoonlightSavage, I have pondered much on your response. One must ask if an advanced intelligence would hold any worthwhile intentions to pettiness.
Thank you for your post@MoonlightSavage.
I think they can be used in that way. I've only used one once, but it was with a very close friend and we were very serious.
Her mom is really into Ouija Boards and everything.
It was an interesting experience.
This is an excellent book on the topic Aleister Crowley and the Ouija Board by J. Edward Cornelius . just sayin
I never put much stock into the notion of them.......The ones that my friends used were bought from toys r us, by parker brothers I believe. The handful of times I used one nothing came about...........I have friends that swear they work.......One of the posters said energy has a lot to do with it, I would concur. I believe enough focused energy can actually make the planchette move.
I am sorry, I believe the company was hasbro that makes it.
I've watched the needle move without me touching it and I was the only one in the room... I've watched it spontaneously combust...
The oujia board.is good way to contact the dead. I dont feel.safe playing with it. I think it for advanced people who know how to.use it propely.
I had a sleep over with my friend who can see and hear ghosts and another wiccan friend back in May. We had the bright idea to make a makeshift ouija board with a red marker and a couple pieces of paper.
It certainly worked! one choked me, mary pissed another off and he got out and tried to kill her but we got him back in. His name was Vinny. We did meet some nicer people too. One was weird that said they didn't have a gender. we didn't talk to them. It can be fun, creepy, and dangerous
I have played with a Ouija Board on several occasions...once with my aunt, and we were asking
questions, don't remember what and the cursor, or
whatever it's called was all over the board...freaky!
Also, I played with one by myself in my room,
lit candles, and at the time I was very upset
with my grandma for something she had done,
and I was I guess attracting all that negative
energy around me and the board, and not long after
I played with it, like a couple of days, my grandma got
sick twice and almost had to be put in the hospital,
and after that, I wanted nothing else to do with one.
I got rid of the board, not in my house anymore.
I think you can attract negative entities to the board,
some pretending that are all good, when they are not.
I guess you get what youy put out.
im not really sure whether or not spirits communicate through the boards,but i personally choose to believe they do
i remember using one back in the military messing around with it just to see what it could do but i do remember i learned a few things about my own situation that cleared the air on a few things it was very interesting.
Ouija Boards Can be used as door ways from the spirit world and unless you know how to ground and protect your self and send when you call up back you should not be messing with it. it isn't a game never has been a game just because it was sold as one does not make it one.
I actually use Ouija boards on a regular, got to admit I've only ever had one problem and for me it was an easy fix
Ouija boards are old school tools for communication in my opinion. With so much technology out there that they make for spirit communication such as evps, going back to a board just seems like going backwards.
I believe it is rubbish. I believe it is a lovely party favor, but that's about it.
Ohhh touchy subject.
I know a number of people would tell you not to fuck with Ouija boards. But I feel that if you Bind them correctly, and take care of them properly, then your issues should be minimal.
BUT: If you dont know what the hell your doing best best is to not mess with it. Its safer that way.
could you get the same effect with a monopoly board I wonder?
It has been my experience with ouija boards, that every time the dial moves...?? It's because someone is moving it!
I haven't tried one, but I know people who have, and the stories do seem legit. Some are scary, others not. I think that it can be possible, it just really depends on the energy the you give off, and if any entities are open to communication.
I find it works best when one person is the battery and everyone else lends balance
Nothing strange about it.
They were invented as a society game rather recently in modern history of US and are caused by the Ideomotor effect (please wiki ouija boards and ideomotor effect).
Case closed, skeptic wins!
Are Ouija Boards, part of an invention to make people believe something that is not really happening, but is part of the imagination? Perhaps. many people use different objects to attract the attention of the onlookers and to gain access into their imagination, for their own benefits, and OB are not the exception. I know people in New York City, who can read your future by reading a cup of coffee after you drink from it. So, My opinion, Ouija Boards, are the creation of a genius mind, a mind that still today, can manipulate the mind of people.
I have used them before. Not really impressed with the results I obtained.
Most paranormal researchers advise against the casual use of the Ouija board, suggesting that it can be a doorway to unknown dimensions. “The board itself is not dangerous, but the form of communication that you are attempting often is," says Ghost researcher Dale Kaczmarek of the Ghost Research Society. "Most often the spirits whom are contacted through the Ouija are those whom reside on 'the lower astral plane.' These spirits are often very confused and may have died a violent or sudden death; murder, suicide, etc. Therefore, many violent, negative and potentially dangerous conditions are present to those using the board. Often times several spirits will attempt to come through at the same time but the real danger lies when you ask for physical proof of their existence! You might say, 'Well, if you're really a spirit, then put out this light or move that object!' What you have just done is simple, you have 'opened a doorway' and allowed them to enter into the physical world and future problems can and often do arise."
But what if the Ouija really does not contact spirits? What if it only accesses our own subconscious? The advice might be the same. Since there are realativly few accounts of positive, uplifting experiences with the Ouija, and many negative ones, we might assume that it more attuned to the negative aspects of our subconscious.
If you're determined to use the Ouija anyway, it is highly recommended that you follow some rules of precaution:
Begin by announcing that the session will only allow an experience that is positive or toward a higher good and that negative energies are not welcome.
Don't ask for physical signs.
When you're done, close the board. This is an important step. When you're done with your session, slide the planchette to 'GOODBYE' and remove your hands.
it is also a good idea to remove the planchette from the board when done! If it is left on the board it can leave the doorway open for anything to come through
Using the board will eventually only bring in the troubled souls, because why would those who have crossed over come back for you just because you need a question to be answered! I tried to do it once, but stopped because of the bad feeling I had before we started and my instinct never lies to me..
About the tarot and runes.. They work with your inner self not with the spirit world, there might be some techniques for it with these tools but mostly it's just working with the inner client or the inner person if your laying or throwing them for yourself
You should also wash the board with water and sea salt as purifying, them sprinkle the board with sea salt as a shielding as well. Keep the board away from mirros, they're a source of a portal as well.
I think the thing with the Ouija board that most people misinterpret is that mentally it can opened these thoughts in your head and through power of suggestion cause things to occur. With or without external forces, your mind has been convinced that you have been exposed to something or have made contact with ______.
Varla you make great points. A lot of people are open to suggestion, and do not take the time to really examine phenomena. And, they'll attributed the phenomena to anything w/o evidence, just notions.
Tarot cards are another example of the Forer Effect (also known as the PT Barum effect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forer_effect
I've always thought our fascination with other dimensions of life, specifically the ones after death, is just too fun to study.
As for speaking or using boards to interact. Why open the doors is they do work? Why not if they don't? No harm no foul right.
I believe once you are dead, that's it. You go to where you are supposed to. As for things that walk among us; I believe that you can open spiritual doors. For good and evil. Which enters is what you can't control.
So, be careful if you are going to open the door. You don't know what might come to visit.
You also need to become extremely careful. If yu did open a spiritual door, there's no guarantee you can close it.
they are and can be very dangerous if you don't know what your doing with them
I've never had a bad experience using a Ouija Board but then again my friend and I took precautions; like casting a protective circle around us and the board and also we placed around the board, items that were positive to us and that had a special meaning. We only used the board at midnight and invited only positive energies to enter our circle to use the board. When we were finished, we thanked the spirits by giving them a blessing and telling them good night and farewell. This worked for my friend and I. We never had any problems with anything negative.
This doesn't mean that I don't believe people don't have bad experiences with the Ouija. Ouija, like any other tool can be dangerous, if not handled/used properly.
see some people don't and that is all people hear about
There are a lot of beliefs about the Oui Ja board and other Spirit Boards because there are many different kinds besides those you buy in a toy store. Essentially though they are just boards and nothing more. There is nothing sinister about them. Aside from that it depends on your beliefs. I do believe in spirits but not demons. I believe some like to frighten others and some like to pretend to be something they are not. I also believe sometimes you are speaking with people who are out of body and not really dead or from some netherworld. Having spent a lot of time with spiritualists long before I had heard of Wicca or anything like that, a more religious type of protection was made around those using the boards. Visualization methods and clearing of the boards. Was it or is it superstition? No one really knows.
I have used these boards numerous times. I have one under my dresser right now. It is not recommended one use one alone but I have and never in all the time I have used any board of any kind have I had a negative incident. It is merely a tool and like someone else mentioned any type of occultish practice can draw beaties to you (if you believe in them). Some have said they were never religious or never believed but we are influenced by others, things we have read, beliefs of family members and movies. I use to work a board with a medium and it flew so fast (no we weren't pushing it we only had our pointer finger on it lightly) we had to have someone sit by us to take down the letters and we deciphered afterward. It is no different than using a pendulum.
i have personaly not used one but in time would very much like to get one. i have many questions and interestes in the board
although i think they are dangerous in the wrong hands i too would like to contact the other side
known too many stories of people I know havin hassles with the damn things for there not to be some veracity to their stories.
it's nigh on the one form of 'divinity' I show no interest in, simply 'coz... I fear it.
Here are some video links with opinions on Ouija boards:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMhqq5F_RZ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG4wTZuT3wM
Ouijia boards like anything else can be a powerful tool. Depending on the user or they can be simply a child's toy. I've never used one aside from at High School parties. So their actual effects for spiritual use I can not comment on.
Ouija Boards are fun some times to scare you're high school friend but to families like mine, they in no way shape or form were use for "playful" fun or even to be taken lightly.
My grandfather was a very strong and great man, he was very in tune with the world around him, he was a very careful man and when he made the Ouija Board for me to learn on and from he did not take it lightly. My grandfather was a pagan and believed that all his blood line should know about this, when he made this he went in to the woods and prayed for I would say four days, when a lighting strike knocked over a red wood tree he knew that was what the goddess wanted. I took him two months to make the board and when it was done, it was wonderful, the moment I placed my hands on the board I could feel it humming with energy. We never tried to call anything, just to help me understand and to know what it feels like, shortly after this he died and my grandmother found it and burned it along with all of his book about it work.
In her words "This is the devils work and I wont have my blood dirtied by this"
But really its what YOU believe in if you think its a joke a,nd a toy that is fine, if you think its creepy, then more power to you.
i have seen a few good videos on them and they give both the pro's and cons of using them.
but i have heard some rumours that some people have actually managed to summon the devil himself through the board how true them stoiries are i honestly don't know and i personally,although i think they are dangerous, don't believe some one could summon something that powerful.
Hi I'm michka and fairly new to this site yet not the topic or topics my opinion is that if you do believe that you can in fact communicate with the other side which I do but not everyone does and thats ok too anyway simply yes if you are lucky enough to have such a gift ouija boards are great for communicating i heard making yr own is the best but i did and its alot of work store bought is just as good the reason being is if you can communicate you can use anything as a tool because you are in fact the tool as well and are being used for other purposes
yes and no the deth on how you use. if you use right yes. but use it wrong no it wont work.
Is it not just a child's toy made by Milton Bradley and sold at Toys R Us?
If you dont know how to use it it might cause problems... I saw it in Paranormal activity three.. Its like a path for the supernaturals to enter this world.. Its too dangerous..
Ouiji Boards can be very a very useful tool but you need to know a few things , like how to protect yourself and how to send back what ever you bring over and how to open and close the doorway afterwards . Lots of people play with this item not knowing what they are letting in to their homes and when they're finished they just put the board away and go on their merry way and in the mean time there is a spirit looming around the corners of their house causing harm or worse
Red Rose, are you saying that something you saw in a movie dictated how you accept it in real life?
Paranormal Activity was just a movie. If you think the Ouija board used in a movie is enough to make you not want to play with one. Then you need to look up the meanings of the words Fiction & Non Fiction.
When I was about 15 my friends and I made a makeshift ouija board, we messed about with it in the back room and nothing weird occured bar the shifter moved oddly a couple of times. A couple of days later I was speaking to my friend and she told me a bad smell had started to permeate the room where we had been, and they couldnt seem to find a cause for it.
Weird, yes. connected?
That is weird, maybe someone left a candle burning and it melted to something causing the odor?
If taken seriously by all those involved mixed with tuned concentration i believe it would be a powerful tool of communication
Who ever keeps getting their pay checks because they put out new Spirit boards should be shot. These things really have got to be stopped being made.
Who says ouija boards shouldn't be made? For the average person they will just be a game. I believe a lot of the superstition comes from movies and books. It is just a piece of cardboard or wood. You can take anything and put letters on it and merely use a glass or pendulum and do the same thing. It is a tool but as to whether anyone reaches anything or anyone of significance I don't know. I don't believe in a devil or a being called Lucifer or demons at all. I don't even know if I believe in angels because I haven't identified even after all these years as to what they actually are and I have done a lot of research into one particular dominant religion and why I don't believe in one word of it. Yet I'm not an atheist. There are so many explanations for what happens to people and I think sometimes mentally disturbed people are the ones we hear about most of the time or people trying to get attention and the stories are exaggerated. I have used these boards over a long period of time and never have I had even one negative experience. If these are spirits that have either never been in physical form or dead people, they have to come down to a very low frequency to speak to anyone and make a board move. It takes a lot of energy. Therefore they are going to have to draw the energy from somewhere? Spiritualists think it is an attraction so they do perform certain rituals I guess one could call it before using any tool. Perhaps it is a matter of belief that will attract something more like a thought form that has been created by people who believe in them such as a demon. Who knows but no piece of cardboard or wood with letters etc written on them is going to do any harm. I simply don't believe in evil spirits but I do believe in evil people. Use them or don't but like anything else in life don't try to decide what is best for everyone. If they scare you then don't use one and if they don't then do.
here is an article worth reading,on a site that is worth checking into for history, and such of Spiritualism.
Ive played with a board before but i have never been able to really get one to work i think its all about belief and who you are with if you believe enough in something you can make anything work and i believe spirits can also minnipulate things in the right circumstances
Mhm.
Touchè subject.
I believe that, like any object or instrument, it's effect is based off of the user's beliefs and hopes of how it will work. Can you communicate with spirits of the undead? Summon demons? Predict the future through it?
Does placing a warm hand on a cold mirror in the dark, calling out a dead person's name produce their image in the reflection before you? Does lighting a candle and summoning a spirit's presence produce an effect?
People will give their own accounts on whether it works or not. Personally, a normal board does nothing for me. A blessed runic board, however, is a different matter. It gives an energy that a normal board cannot produce. Reason being- like many other properties found in sacred places, it is created with wood, enfused and engraved with fire, blessed with rich soil, purified with water, and dried outside by sun and air. All the elements are used to create it and it's main property, wood, was once a living creature. There are certain aspects that while forging create an aspect to it that connects with the earth and spiritual world that a meager toy board cannot do.
Henceforth- why do you think that Ouija Boards can be found in almost any toy store where as Runic Boards are few and far in between? They are blessed, created, and utilized for a certain individual(s) and carry a certain property Ouija Boards do not.
I think they're fun and kinda kitschy. I don't put much stock into them being a portal for spirits or for being harmful.
All I know is that I'm supposed to be careful with them. I made one before but....the person I was using it with is a bit sketchy so whoever was talking with us....I'm not sure if it was real.
well I played with one a long time ago and had an awful experience, maybe we did not use it correctly or whatever, don't know, don't really care, only thing I know is that Ouija Boards is something I no longer mess with...