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Vampirism is often correlated or thought to have things in common with S&M -- a.k.a Sadomasochism or Dominance and Submission which ever you prefer, its the same thing...

Any ideas and/or opinions on this topic will be appreciated.




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Well... its kinda is... hehe :)
The dominant submissive thing i can completely see....

For a fictional look.... take a peek at Lestat.. he hunted in society... He also compared the race to God...as it were.

I can dig it...
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18:49:27 May 11 2005
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agreed, khay ♥

Dominance comes to play when a vampire is feeding upon it's prey.



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I agree. The vampire is dominant and also in some people's perception a very sexual creature. For them to feed upon you you can not resist them and you are at thier whim. They have the control with the powers they have. They just take what they want. As so Dom's/Domme's.

Vampire dommance is very hot :: smiles::
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Hmm... When you sire someone do you not dominate them until they are capable enough to venture on their own? I think you could look at it that way...



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In most ways vampires dominate thier victoms, so I guess thats true.



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well the dominace thing i agree with but eh i say it would depend on the vamp. lol



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it all makes sence to have vampirism corolate with s&m --theyr'll both hot!



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I think they go hand in hand



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dominance is associated with vampires yeah, some victims enjoy it just as much as the person or vampire feeding on them, its considered kinky and sexual by some.



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this seems a little to hollywood-ised to me.



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Yay! A fun topic! Thank you, DarknessBound..

..m'Lord, although is my Dom, is also a vampire. From His view, He does not practice BDSM, as in a conventional ideal "lifestyle". He uses sadism to intensify the energy He feeds from me or another slave. It is not solely sexual acts as it is His entire exsistance that He cannot escape, His own strength and confidence exudes from Him in brilliant waves.

It was why I was drawn to Him.

He frequents the local "fetish" clubs, He owns toys and articles that would deem Him into BDSM, although it is just where His prey is best found, prepared for the enteraction with a stronger, more dominate mind; the equipment necessary for a creature of more cruel appetites.

~I blush feverishly with downcast eyes~From a subbies view, He is unlike anything I have every experienced in D/s or vanilla relationships. It is not easily explained, when I try, unless you have been in a D/s relationship. The very things I crave in Him are honed; strength, intellect, presense, confidence, divine understanding, a keen eye (to only name a few) that all Dom/mes possess are intrinsic for/with Him. There is a part of my mind that is, solely, Him. He touches me there with His words, with His fingers, with His actions, with His thoughts that He allows me. To say "He owns me" is an understatement. I feel His approach, shiver when He reaches for the doorknob, He makes me gush with His unspoken lurid thoughts, and His words slice me to tears, caress me to a glow, humble me to a crimson meekness.

When He touches me...



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~I blush~Silly me forgot.

S/m and D/s are different. He would have argued that.

Sadism/Masochism is the enjoy of giving/recieving pain. It flows both ways. m'Lord is very Dominate, but He enjoys pain Himself very much; as well as, inflict it. ~I blush a new color of red~ Domination/submittion is the act of ordering and serving, a Dom commands actions and the sub obeys. The two can entertwine. I know many Dom/me's that are not Sadists or masochists. I know subs that are Sadists.

S/m is more of a personal characterist, where as D/s is more of a part of a person's nature, m'Lord might have said.



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I agree, I think they kinda go hand in hand.



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this one said the agreed with owned..for she to is collar by her Master who to is a vamp.......



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I like BDSM but no one else I know does. They think I'm weird because I like it.



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07:03:44 May 12 2005
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sanguinary vamps are very relative to bdsm......psy camps however are normally far more secretive....most never know they have met one.....



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Owned and Daermon......Just wanted to let you know....thanks for your input on this subject !!!!



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i think it all goes together



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yes because vampires and bdsm are frequently associated with goths,also for some,vampires are erotic creatures,and vampires are the masters.
I like bdsm too hehe.



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tend to top from bottom a bit myself...
wonder how many will catch that....
hehehehe
but ya there is a very close relationship normally between the goth community and the bdsm crowd....they are often many of the same people.....and this is also where you are more likely to find a vamp or two also.....but some just play blood games as part of the bd play....they may not actually be drinkers.....so tread with caution...



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~I laugh with a soft blush~Daermon, m'Lord says I use to be a SAM; that the first time I submitted to Him, I tried to top from below..

~I rub my bum remembering the spanking I got for that~I learned quickly, being a brat has it's time and place.~I chuckle~

I don't top from the bottom anymore!



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~I stumble back in, shame on my face~And I forgot again!!

~I lower my head and speak softly~Thank you, Fatalis. Your words made m'Lord smile that I was able to convey a thought someone felt the need to comment on.

(He gave me chocolate!!!!!! YAY!!!!!)



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Depends how you look at it really.
A predator doesn't feel the sexual kink that humans do from dominance i.e it doesn't get hot and bothered about the prospect of eating only a need a desire so it depends on your take on what it means to be a vampire and what you would incorparate into the lifestyle :)



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I was informed by one I met here once that most BDSM 'organisations'.... for want of a better word....do not tend to agree or engourage Vampirism in terms of blood drinking and such ....however and it has been stated many times before ..being a psy Vamp is still being a Vamp and that type of Vamp is commonly found within the BDSM community.

On a personal note....there are elements of BDSM that I do enjoy and have met people from time to time who I have been able to learn more from and have enjoyed greatly my moments with them..

I do like to be dominated and enjoy the lack of control....and the pleasure in being able to please...however my rebelious streak needs to be kept in check as I am oft told....~giggles and looks down at the pink whelts rising on my behind~

I do enjoy the drinking of blood...the site of it ...the feel of the coolness dripping from me and another whom I desire greatly...the scent.... the taste.......~blushes and giggles~

Vampirism in terms of the myths...legends and movies is depicted as being an overpowering ..overwhelming...affliction ...with the desire to dominate and hunt......me likey.... ~winks~



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Vampirism is deeply based on dominance...



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I agree with much of what is being said here...they can and do meet on commom grounds. I have picked up a little mention of a sub group within the BDSM culture and I gotta say the word...Switch.
There are few people that believe that a Switch can exist butt I have had the good fortune of encountering a few along my merry travels. I believe that few are truly called into either of these unique callings, but when one is, there is no missing it.
I also believe that one can know when one bumps into a psy vampire...if you are aware your body and mind will send you messages. We just do not always have a name for those experiences.
But hey that is just my two cents :-)
~Lady~



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So many wannabe Vampire asses to be spanked.. too little time!!!


Ms. Em *grins*



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ROFLMAO.........I want to be first in line for the spankings Em........*wink

Getting my arse lashed by a Lovely Irish lady......



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I think that it can be associated with S&M but not always...



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LMAO Fatalis.. you get first helpings ;)



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i found i funny that only two slave has posted something here and no Masters

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Dominance. . . . need I say more?



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Vampirism and BDSM do seem to be assisated with eachother but I consider it as though dominance is with one person to another because one has to be weaker than the other...just like in feeding...



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Well i guess i'll put my two cents in since it's been sooooooo long since i opened my mouth*evil grin*
I don't consider myself a master so to speak but i do have a pet in here who has willingly given herself to me,i brought her over quite easily and have enjoyed taking from her many times.I rarely dominate unless asked which normally turns into begging........ HE HE



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I have been doing research on S&M for a presentation I am preparing this coming Monday (05/23/05). I had no idea the types of things that go on in the lives of those who are addicted to this fetish. It is very interesting because they cannot reach that sexual peak if they are not stimulated in these ways (at least the people with a serious case of this fetish).

The reason why I started this thread was because, due to my research, a small visit to the porn shop in this city aroused my curiosity. The man in charge of the video section was a self proclaimed Vampire. We conversed for quite a bit and he was telling me about the 'works' (funny man). He was telling me how Vampirism and S&M go hand in hand and how he is so into it. Anyway, this all made me wonder what you all would think.

You all are wonderful. Thank you for taking your time and responding.



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ye Daermon,vampire role-playing



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I love BDSM. Wanna play? Mwahahaha. Yeah.



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S n M and vampirism go bacially hand in hand because the vampires dominate their victems so their victems become submissive and often bend to their will according to hollywood anyway.



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Dominance also depends on who has the stronger mind... heh... i wouldnt mind it if someone here bit me.. lol..


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I've never really thought about that.



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yeah thats very true, vampires like to dominate their prey and get what they want from them...



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Trust you to open a thread on this subject....

A woman after my own heart >:)

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Emmy: Is there any Dom/Sub action in the original Dracula novel? I ask you because you're the Stoker authority?

Is there any record that Vlad the Imaler was in to S and M?

Does anyone think that S and M was the basis of ANCIENT greek, slavik or asian vampire legends?

Come on...let's get serious.

This whole Dom/Sub crap is a MODERN thing. Thank you, hollywood. Thank you White Wolf.

Think about it people. Somehow, I don't see Count Dracula or Lady Bathory wearying gimp masks and peeing on each other.



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O_o

Zanex, darling?



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What an interesting question do they go hand in hand? The true communities of Vampirism and S & M would tend to agree just for the basic domination factor, pain, etc. But the so many wanna be that will agree with anything you would say do not really comprehend the true nature of it all.



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Brownie point for DarkAdmin.

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I do try...lol



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I think the two go hand in hand.... and I love them both!



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"Vampirism is often correlated or thought to have things in common with S&M -- a.k.a Sadomasochism or Dominance and Submission which ever you prefer, its the same thing..."

Jason and I were/are discussing this in IM's.

There seems to be a bit of confusion that one should probably note here.


Sadomasochism: : the derivation of pleasure from the infliction of physical or mental pain either on others or on oneself.
Noun.

Here... have a link since you're here.
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Oooooooooh Khayman, you imbedded a link!!! Go you! =) (No I'm not being sarcastic, I always see you write how you have problems doing it.)



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well i think that they have something in common but hell im up for anything. Im not ashamed in anything that i do. I enjoy having fun in the bedroom, a little pain with sex never hurts!!!! :)



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well vampires are a dominate race..and they always will be!!! they rule over there victims and if they are master vampires or yer sire witch ever one you prefer.....they dominate over all there vampires they have biten and that still respect them..and the ones that are frightened of there master knowing he or she..knows the ways and can beat you in the game...soo if daminateing is the way you want to put it fine..cause yer right they are in almost every way.....



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Jason...hate to have to be the one to point it out...but Lady bathory was quite well known to be a sadist....she sexually assaulted and tortured her victims......
many things about B&D and vamps is a more modern convention....but bondage as sexual play has been around for a very very long time......the Marquis De Sade, and Leopold Von Sacher Masoch are not after all modern peoples.....and the terms are just named after them in the psych texts...they are definately not the first people into these things...just the most famous



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Vampirism in my point of view can go hand in hand with BDSM. Cutting, biting, blood, Master (Sire).. the terms and actions are similar.

I found BDSM lifestyle before I got into the Vampirism lifestyle.. (although things I did were always vampire traits, never thought to put a name to it).

*smiles at my hungry pets* have to go take care them.. wonderful thread. I love it.



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If you study anything of the Strigoi Vii teachings they refure to a lot of that in the books, reasons why it goes hand in hand with everything of vampirism subculture.

Which, as Athena said, is why its apart of it.



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what else can I sa but handcufs and razor blades in the bed room sounds fun to me



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You obviously haven't met or being bit by a real vampire.
They don't go together at all the rush of the hunt it's something far different from any sexual tendencies.



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The relationship between SM or BDSM and Vampirism isnt only sexual tendancies.

Ds isnt abnormal, I think most people dont put names to things like they do in Ds cultures, there is usually a Dominate figure and a submissive figure. You can/are submissive to a Master/Sire or you are the Master/Sire and you are Dominate.

SM is typically sexual gratification. Sadistic is causing pain or extreme cruelty to another causing ones own sexual gratification. Im pretty sure that cutting or biting someone is going to cause pain and in some eyes could be considered extreme cruelty. If you are sexually attracted to causing pain and enjoy the taste of blood, then it would be a mixture of the two. Masochist working the same way.

I do agree that Vampirism is alot more than BDSM or SM but there are many similarities and for most part they go hand in hand.



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so true



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Looks like someone here finally used the brain



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If you Truely want to Know something about the BDSM Lifestyle then please go to.......


www.slavenextdoor.com



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i wouldnt say the 2 went together ,just that people tend to type cast vampires and think they are into some really werid stuff,



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:: blushes as she reviews AngelPie's comment ::

I know... I'm so proud of me.



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Daermon: Ok, good point. Thanks for the correction. Bad example on my part. But I think I got my point across.

The link between S&M/B&D is purley a modern contrivance. As far as I can see, anyway. Lady Bathory wasn't a vampire, she was just nuts.

Someone find an example of vampires and S&M/B&D in literature, film, or folklore prior to the previous turn of the century. (That's 1900 for those who aren't keeping score) Heck, find an example prior to 1950.



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wow!!!!!!!......everyone has such an imagination....IT ROCKZ!!!!!!!!!....lol..srry



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Dracula.

/:)



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I hit the tab button as opposed to enter...

Dracula... /:)
In a literary sense. Obviously not literal.
Sans decent spelling, of course.



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lol...^,..,^



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I think you missed my point, DB. I'm looking for the connection between S and M and vampires prior to the recent Hollywood and literary boom.

Someone get on their google horse and find me proof!



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Ok, lemme get something straight:

DB are you talking about SEXUAL dominance and submission and BDSM or the literal definitions?



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Jason, you google addict lol


ok im talking about sexual..not literary...im talking about the real deal. Although these three writers wrote many stories..they also practiced it themselves (where else did they get their inspiration from?).







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AH-HA!!!!

Jason asked you that for a reason.
He and I were in heated debate all this morning in IM's over this topic.

I say there is a link because of a dominant/submissive underlying thingy (such technical terms, I know) goin' on with Vampires...

He says Horse Shit because of the text book definitions of S&M and BDSM.


I still refuse to concede.
I say we're both right.

NOW... if you're looking on a strictly SEXUAL whips, chains, ball-gags get your rox off by peeing on someone... I agree with him.

But like I said... I say yes to the dom/sub. angle of it because the definitions that have been shown to me... *ahem*... while specifying sexuality... do not limit the term TO sexuality.

That make sense?



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You know I've always had a high pain tolerence[sp] but knid of iteresting to see where I could take something like this when I get the chance to....



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ahh....well that clarifies...thnk you khay for the background info.....from the angle Jason is looking at it he is quite right....
you however are looking at it from a broader perspective...as is our lovely question asker....
no fair DB I wanna be able to delete the crap from threads too..... ;-P



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LOL Daermon, your so funny ♥


I am looking at it from every perspective, now according to Jason's point of view, I am trying to find answers....only thing is I only specialize in the sexual part! LOL...whips and chains! WhOoHoO! ;)


Ok, lets see....

Well Jason, I Googled what you asked for and infact you are correct my dear. Vampirism along with S&M did infact become a community within the range of the late 1990's.



This is what I managed to find about this topic on Google.



1. The community's beginnings


Today's aggregate of real-life vampirism websites, message boards, E-lists, IRC channels, and the people who frequent them began in earnest at the end of 1997.

Before then, there were a few isolated informational websites, plus a few AOL-only forums and chatrooms. Non-AOL vampiric people sought each other in vampire fiction fan forums, plus a few "real vampire" forums like the now-defunct Order of Darkness which were dominated by blatant posers, plus a few classified ad sites like the Vampire White Pages.

By the summer of 1997, there were lots of personal homepages of people claiming to be vampires, but most of them looked pretty fanciful. Friends of mine joked about 400-year-olds who still live in their mother's basement. And there were lots and lots and lots of websites for Vampire: the Masquerade roleplayers.

That summer, Sanguinarius set up her Vampire Support Page website, whose message board and IRC channel were to become the most popular meeting-places of the "vampire community" during most of 1998. To the best of my knowledge, the term "vampire community" was coined by Sangi on her "Statements of Purpose" page in 1997. But the community did not form immediately.

During the fall of 1997, Sangi's message board was dominated not by real-life vampires but by people begging to be turned -- which wasn't surprising, given that Sangi originally defined "vampirism" as including "the potential for an indefinite lifespan." When I asked Sangi whether she knew of any proof of this, she said she didn't, and she modified her wording accordingly. She gradually became skeptical of the idea, previously common in some real-vampire circles, that vampires have extraordinary lifespans. (See Claims of extreme longevity in my Tentative conclusions article.)

Another very popular site, known then as the Real Vampires Home Page, was put on the web by Inanna Arthen (Vyrdolak) at around the same time Sangi's site first appeared. Vyrdolak is now revising it drastically.

Because Vyrdolak's site was so influential, I have critiqued her ideas extensively on my own site. But, to put all my disagreements into perspective, I should mention that lots of people found her site to be very informative and helpful. Furthermore, Vyrdolak is one of the few people in the community with much knowledge of the history of other subcultures and is thus a valuable leader, in my opinion. Although her theories have been used by some to justify an exclusive definition of the "vampire community," she herself has generally advocated a community including everyone who identifies as a "vampire."

In its original incarnation (summer 1997 to summer 1998), Vyrdolak's site was best known for its "Real Vampires Traits Checklist," which was criticized sharply by some as a diagnostic tool, but praised by many others as a detailed description of the majority of "real vampires." Also, as far as I can tell, Vyrdolak was the first person on the web to articulate the idea that "real vampires" need blood primarily as a source of pranic energy, and that there is no essential difference between blood-drinking vampires and psychic vampires.

In the summer of 1997, the fragile beginnings of the community were to be found mainly at the Vampirism Research Institute (VRI), whose message base archives are still available. But the site's owner, Liriel McMahon, was not a self-described vampire herself and was skeptical of the claim that a craving for blood could be anything other than psychosomatic. There is a chapter about Liriel in the book Something in the Blood by Jeff Guinn (1996).

The VRI vampires moved most of their discussions to Namadie Z. Talck's Hall of Memories message board, which became a major gathering-place of online vampires for a while at the end of 1997, though it subsequently ceased to play a central role. In its heyday, it was the first web-based message board where discussion was dominated by real-life vampires, although there were a few fairly obvious posers too.

I myself started posting messages at this point.

At the beginning of 1998, most of the action took place on the message boards at Sangi's site and AngelBitMe's Vampire Information & Education Website. Discussions revolved around vampires comparing notes on their physical symptoms and personal quirks, with the aim of finding out what they had in common. It was discovered, for example, that many of the participants suffered from migraine headaches.

Sangi had originally set up her site for "vampires" in her own sense of the word, non-psivamp blood-needers. But her own kind of vampires were a small minority among those who posted on her board. The majority were psivamps or blood/psi vamps, some of whom had successfully substituted psi-feeding for blood feeding. Sangi was at first reluctant to expand her definition of "vampire" to include anything other than a person with a physical craving/need to drink blood. She felt better about it when the terms "blood feeder," "blood needer," and "sanguinarian" were coined to distinguish blood-needing vampires from psivamps.

Most of the online vampires had a concept of "real vampirism" strongly influenced by Vyrdolak's site, although Vyrdolak herself did not participate actively on the message boards until later. Her site's admirers included AngelBitMe and Sojourner Indigo, a psychic healer respected by many in the community.

In January 1998, I set up my own website, which I at first called the Vampire Research Resource Page.

Also in January, an influential Psychic Vampires website came to the community's attention. Its owner played a leading role in the community until August 1998, when he abruptly disappeared and took his site down completely for a while, then gave an incomplete and out-of-date mirror site to a friend of his.

In February 1998, "Prince Verthaine" posted an ad on the Vampire Classifieds message board saying he was Prince of his city and wanted to confer with other Princes, "lifestylers not gamers." Sangi and others immediately assumed he was a poser and flamed him accordingly. How DARE he claim not to be a "gamer," while at the same time claiming to be something straight out of (horror of horrors!) Vampire: the Masquerade! Did he seriously expect us to believe there existed vampire "Princes"?

But I noticed that the word "lifestyler" didn't sound very poserish. I had run into this word back in the 1980's, in the New York S&M scene, where it referred to people who lived in full-time consensual "owner/slave" relationships, as distinct from those for whom BDSM was just erotic play. I wasn't sure what "lifestyler" meant in a vampire context, but it sounded unpretentiously modern and not at all spooky. I guessed -- correctly -- that it referred to an alternative-lifestyle subculture which drew inspiration from V:tM and which might or might not involve real-life vampirism too. I figured that it probably involved alternative extended families modeled on the V:tM clans, and that "Prince" was merely Verthaine's title in some organization. I also guessed -- again correctly -- that the E-list of the Coven Organization might be a good place to find someone to enlighten us about Vampyre lifestylers. I didn't know much about the Coven Organization except that it had something to do with New York's Vampyre club scene, an outgrowth of the Goth scene, which I'd never gotten into because I dislike going to places with earsplittingly loud music of any kind, and besides I'm not a clothes horse.

Rev. Ralph Osiris, head of the Coven Organization, posted a long message on the Vampire Classifieds message board. He and I succeeded in making peace between Sangi and Verthaine, who then set up a website explaining what Vampyre Lifestylers are and what he meant by calling himself a "Prince."

Sangi revised her Statements of Purpose to define the "vampire community" as consisting of blood-drinkers, psychic/energy vampires, and Vampyre lifestylers. She also added: "Within the larger vampire community, to create a community of blood-needers and other kinds of blood-drinkers; to provide education on technique and safety; and to increase communication and understanding among the different kinds of blood-drinkers."


you can find more information within this link:

About the Internet vampiric community



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~I laugh~m'Lord wanted me to point out that Vlad did impale his enemies...

...that is a sadistic act.



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Great information and an intersting read DarknessBound. I know its stating the obvious but with the www explosion and so many people functioning in small pockets or in vertual isolation, the web has enabled these two worlds to meld at an amazing rate. I think its very cool and agree that these are two very old worlds connecting fairly recently. No doubt though the web has accelerated that process :-)
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yay!i like being dominated



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BDSM. Is there any other way to have sex? Vampires do practice it in some way or another b/c they get ahold of the part of your mind that handles pleasure and apeal to lust. That is why there is no fighting a feeding. Most people have a hell of a time controlling their inner beast against humans. With vamps they have no chance. Another reason vamps would love S&M is because of the great deal of fear involved (fear is another kind of nurishment!). Also, I would imagine that vamps would get bored over the years and have to come up with new ways to satisfy their blood lust.



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I guess it depends on how you look at it ..
Feeding is not always sex and sex is not always feeding but sometimes it is ver rewarding to feed durring sex..



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well to bluntly honest for those who know me and have talked indepth i am a very naughty boy lol and i love a few things bout the s&m side but some things like that infamious "cock ring" nuh-uh



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Im a dominatrix YAY!



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eh it all works and its all fun



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Thank you all for your participation on this thread. I enjoyed all of your responses and I'm glad you all found it interesting enough to discuss it.


♥ DarknessBound



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Research:


BDSM
Most of you know about it, some of you don’t. I had to do some research on the topic for my sexuality class.

Let me educate you guys:


Sadism is the sexual pleasure or gratification in the infliction of pain and suffering upon another person. Medically it is considered to be a paraphilia. The word is derived from the name of the Marquis de Sade, a prolific French writer of sadistic novels.
 The counterpart of sadism is masochism, the sexual pleasure or gratification of having pain or suffering inflicted upon the self, often consisting of sexual fantasies or urges for being beaten, humiliated, bound, tortured, or otherwise made to suffer, either as an enhancement to or a substitute for sexual pleasure. The name is derived from the name of the 19th century author Leopold von Sacher-Masoch, known for his novel Venus in Furs that dealt with highly masochistic themes.
 "S&M," or sadomasochistic sex play, is mutually agreed upon sexual stimulation that incorporates domination and/or pain in sex play. It uses fantasy scenarios that explore dominance and submission and sometimes includes bondage. Mutual consent is what makes S&M different from abuse and assault.
 Not everyone likes S and M sex play. Trust and communication play a large part in S&M activity. Partners need to talk with one another before they begin a "scene" to learn what each of them likes, would like to try, and would not like to do under any circumstances.
 One important way that partners into S&M protect each other from getting hurt is to agree upon a safe word. When the safe word — usually a non-sexual, non-directive word like "peppermint" — is spoken, it means that someone really wants to stop whatever activity is going on. Safe words are very important because in S&M play screaming "stop it" may just be part of the game.

 Havelock Ellis, in Studies in the Psychology of Sex, argued that there is no clear distinction between the aspects of sadism and masochism, and that they may be regarded as complementary emotional states.

 Many theorists, particularly feminist theories, have suggested that sadomasochism is an inherent part of our culture.

 There are a number of reasons commonly given for why a sadomasochist finds the practice of S&M enjoyable, and the answer is largely dependent on the individual.




 It is usually agreed on by psychologist that experiences during early sexual development can have a profound effect on the character of sexuality later in life.

 Cochóes Indians were sexually aroused during marriage by sadomasochist practices. The wife sticks her nails into her husband’s chin until bleeding. Then, he gives her various strong and painful pinches in her hips, producing hematoma.

 Hindu culture describes in its writings seven different ways of biting, by which you can obtain masochist pleasure if you receive it; or sadist pleasure if you are the one who bites.

 There is an ancient culture in Borneo and other places in Malaysia and Indonesia where men use to pierce their glans with a metallic stick, called “kalang.” It also has two metal buttons at it ends. It seemed to like very much to their wives because they gave their husbands a new “kalang” from time to time.


Activities include:


 Flagellation. Inflicting pleasure by hitting.

 Spiking. Inflicting pleasure by flagellation of buttocks, using hands or different objects like a whip.

 Bondage. Immobilizing the person and practicing erotic acts over his/her body. Use of handcuffs, metal or leather ropes, chains, straps or bands.

 Giving birth anally. Anal stimulation in order to feel like giving birth by the anus. First, the anus is cleansed by enema. Second, prostate massages are given in order to stimulate anal dilatation. Third, a little object is introduced in the anus to be expelled.

 Needling. Consists in using needles all over the body or in a specific part.

 Electrical stimulation. Sexually aroused by small electrical discharges in the genital zone.
 Humiliation. Humiliation of the masochist by different acts like
 forcing him/her to drag him/her like a dog.
 Insulting verbally
 Drive the person to defecate over him/herself.

 Slavery. Masochism itself supposes a sense of domination. Besides this domination, there are practices like putting the masochist inside a cage while the sadist masturbates in presence of the captive person.








The Biology of Sadomasochism:

 Pain, violence, sex and love all are associated with the release of variety of hormones and chemicals within the human body.

 Human have been shown have been shown to exhibit sympathetic responses in their bodies while watching, hearing, or imagining such experiences.

 Levels of sex hormone testosterone can be temporarily affected by ones role sadomasochism interactions.
 Dominant participants often get raised testosterone levels, whereas submissive get depressed testosterone levels.
 Endorphins are released by pain experiences and can be perceived as pleasurable and possibly addictive.

 Lactic acid is released by muscle under strain and can be perceived as pleasurable.
 Brain chemicals such as serotin and melanotin can be affected by emotional or stressful experiences.
 The effects of S&M on body chemistry probably reinforces the behavior and therefore creates psychological states that seek further such behavior.

As an example of a sadistic offender Burgess, Groth, Holmstrom, and Sgroi,
(1978) present the case of "Paul," a single, white, 19 year old male who was
convicted of four rapes, but later admitted to over twenty. According to his
account, he would typically select an innocent looking girl, around the age
of 12 and force her into the woods with a knife. He further related the
following:
"Then I'd give her a choice: I would rape her or cut off her hair.
I'd tie her hands behind her back with my belt, put the point of my knife
between her eyes, and threaten to kill her. Then I'd get undressed and make
her lick my body and blow me because I knew she wouldn't want to do it. I'd
get all shaky and excited. I would keep her scared and frightened-- her fear
and suffering gave me pleasure. Sometimes while the girl was blowing me I'd
burn her with a cigarette on her shoulder and ass and 'come off' in her
mouth, sometimes I would punch her and stomp on her hand with my workboots…
Even now when I think about a girl getting beat up, or see it on television,
I get a 'hard-on.'“



All of the offense behaviors related in this account, in context, are
arguably sadistic. Aggression and violence are in the service of increasing
sexual gratification. Note, however, the absence of homicide. As discussed,
sadistic behavior does not necessarily result in a homicidal act.

Anybody charged because of S &M, although unlikely, would probably be
charged with anyone of these crimes, depending on their status:

Any person who is convicted of a violation of s. 787.025; s. 794.011(2),
(3), (4), (5), or (8); s. 800.04(4) or (5); s. 825.1025(2) or (3); s.
827.071(2), (3), or (4); or s. 847.0145; or of any similar offense under a
former designation, which offense the person committed when he or she was 18
years of age or older, and the person:
(a) Caused serious personal injury to the victim as a result of the
commission of the offense;

(b) Used or threatened to use a deadly weapon during the commission of the
offense;

(c) Victimized more than one person during the course of the criminal
episode applicable to the offense;

(d) Committed the offense while under the jurisdiction of a court for a
felony offense under the laws of this state, for an offense that is a felony
in another jurisdiction, or for an offense that would be a felony if that
offense were committed in this state; or
e) Has previously been convicted of a violation of s. 787.025; s.
794.011(2), (3), (4), (5), or (8); s. 800.04(4) or (5); s. 825.1025(2) or
(3); s. 827.071(2), (3), or (4); s. 847.0145; of any offense under a former
statutory designation which is similar in elements to an offense described
in this paragraph; or of any offense that is a felony in another
jurisdiction, or would be a felony if that offense were committed in this
state, and which is similar in elements to an offense described in this
paragraph, is a dangerous sexual felony offender, who must be sentenced to a mandatory
minimum term of 25 years imprisonment up to, and including, life imprisonment.

(3) "Serious personal injury" means great bodily harm or pain, permanent
disability, or permanent disfigurement. is a dangerous sexual felony
offender, who must be sentenced to a mandatory minimum term of 25 years
imprisonment up to, and including, life imprisonment.

Sexual battery. Consent" means intelligent, knowing, and voluntary consent
and does not include coerced submission. "Consent" shall not be deemed or
construed to mean the failure by the alleged victim to offer physical
resistance to the offender. Retaliation" includes, but is not limited to,
threats of future physical punishment, kidnapping, false imprisonment or
forcible confinement, or extortion.g) "Serious personal injury" means great
bodily harm or pain, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement.
(h) "Sexual battery" means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union
with, the sexual organ of another or the anal or vaginal penetration of
another by any other object; however, sexual battery does not include an act
done for a bona fide medical purpose. (e) When the victim is mentally
defective and the offender has reason to believe this or has actual
knowledge of this fact.b) "Mentally defective" means a mental disease or
defect which renders a person temporarily or permanently incapable of
appraising the nature of his or her conduct.

(c) "Mentally incapacitated" means temporarily incapable of appraising or
controlling a person's own conduct due to the influence of a narcotic,
anesthetic, or intoxicating substance administered without his or her
consent or due to any other act committed upon that person without his or
her consent.



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